I know this has been around for awhile, but, it helps us to understand the difficulty proving the hard evidence existence of galactic visiting intelligence.
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Leading Edge Research Interviews Wendelle C. StevensCopyright 1996 Leading Edge Research Group
Extract from Leading Edge International Research Journal #94
Transcript: Leading Edge Research
http://www.cco/net/~trufaxReleased: October 24, 1996
Val: You've been involved with this field of investigation for a long time.
Wendelle: I became involved in it about 1947 or 1948 when I went to Alaska to help a team install special equipment to record anomalous data in the Arctic airspace.
Val: What was the overall purpose of that surveillance mission?
Wendelle: Well, there were a lot of reports coming out of the northern areas that led several military strategists to think that if there were alien visitors, they must be coming in over the polar airspace for some reason. The SAC crews were flying their profile missions at the same time, and they tied a number of "rider" programs on those profile missions, because of the shortage of money. They had the SAC crews install special equipment on their B-29's to record electrical surges, magnetic disturbances, thermal distrubances, RF spectrum disturbances and things like that. These all seemed to be affected when UFO's were present.
Val: So this was in 1947 or 1948.
Wendelle: Yes.
Val: So you are saying that certain sections of the government didn't know what these things were that were flying over the polar area, whether they were alien in origin or something another country had developed - they were just trying to understand what they were?
Wendelle: Yes. They had already recovered one vehicle that certainly was not made on earth, and they were trying to gather more information at that time as to who they were, where they were coming from, and trying to determine whether there would be any more crashes. They were trying to decide what their intentions were.
Val: So, it's entirely possible that because of compartmentalization, one faction of the government could have been actually involved in electrogravitic experimentation with Tesla technology and flying some of these things, and the factions of the government ordering the profile missions would not have known
about it and assumed they were alien in origin?
Wendelle: Yes.
Val: Do you view this as being the case?
Wendelle: Well, not the whole case. I am absolutely convinced there are extraterrestrials visiting this planet, and a large number of them, but at the same time we may have been doing experiments of our own. If we were, it would have been compartmentalized to the degree that nobody outside the experiments would have had any idea what was going on. At the same time, those who are dealing with the phenomena of alien visitation would have their work compartmentalized, and there would be no feedback from them to those carrying on our own experiments. They would have perceived themselves as operating entirely independently.
Val: Which no doubt has been the case all along.
Wendelle: Yes.
Val: In all your years of dealing with all of this, and all the people and cases, what do you consider to be the case that contains the most interesting, and potentially bizarre elements that offer the most implications for understanding new aspects of the universe?
Wendelle: Well, I like the Reticulum case because it involved other race types, and I was directly involved in those contacts. In fact, they sent me messages and I sent them messages. I tried to get Bill Hermann to bring them to me. I said to him "bring them over here and you can have my house if I don't come back." He tried to do that, and the aliens essentially said, "no, that's not the way this thing goes." They told him that they had examined a number of people at the same time and that they had put all their data in their "lexicon", which is what they called their computer system. It was a word they took from our language to describe their computer system. They said that this computer system analyzed the data on all these people and selected Hermann for "close observance", which is what they called 'contact'. The criteria seemed to be the person who would appear to present the greatest oppotunity for new data. They studied his environmental background and a lot of other things, and picked him.
Val: How did these humanoids appear?
Wendelle: They were a species of grey about four feet tall, about the size of a twelve year old boy. They had no hair at all, and their heads were larger than ours in terms of proportion to the rest of the body.
Val: Did they have reptilian vertical pupils with black filter covers over them?
Wendelle: They had the dark eye covers, but he never saw them without them. It wasn't until quite a bit later when we heard that those black lenses would come out. One lady being examined pulled one of the lenses off. In the Swiss case, Meier told me that those were black lenses, and my response at that time was that he had to be kidding. When the greys are telling you that those are their eyes, they are lying, because they are in fact just black filters covering their real eyes.
Val: During that alleged autopsy film shown on television, they were shown removing those same kind of lenses from the cadaver. That was quite interesting that they would have shown that.
Wendelle: Yes. There is a women that I mentioned before who has told me about an ongoing relationship with a male humanoid alien living here on earth. She said that at various times,
her alien friend would take his black lenses out, and that he had bluish-green iris and vertical pupils.Val: Now, in the case of Betty and Barney Hill, it was the first time the technique of drawing amniotic fluid was observed prior to its direct implementation as a medical practice on earth. Do you think there might be a connection between an apparent alien group using a new technique and the appearance of that technique later on in orthodox medicine?
Wendelle: I don't know.
Val: You recently were involved looking into some strange activity going on at Area 51 in Nevada. Would you elaborate on that?
Wendelle: Well, I got a call from a young one man, Connor O'Ryan, who said that he would like to come and look at my files and talk to me about UFOs. I told him "OK", that I would be there for another week, to come over. He said he would get packed and get a bus out that afternoon. I got a call about two hours later, and he said that he had gone to the bank in order to withdraw money for his trip and his ATM card didn't work. He tried his Visa and Mastercard, and they didn't work. All of his sources of money were cut off. This guy was a Marine attached to the Black Seals, a specialized internal secret organization within the Marine Corps.
The special forces draw their members from the Black Seals. The Black Seals carry out internal security duties in areas like S-4. He said that he would like to come and look at the information I had, and that he had some information for me. When he called me back after failing to get funds to travel, he said that he felt that his intentions had been discovered. He said, "if you send me a bus ticket, I'll come anyway and try to sort this out." So, I wired him $100 at Western Union and he called back and said he was taking the 4:16 bus and would get in about 2:00 AM. He also said that he was bringing something. When I picked him up at 2:00 AM, he told me that he thought he was being watched and went out in back of the bus station and got a little box and shipped it to me and then got on the bus. He had been a member of Delta Force team before and he knows how they operate. He knows the kind of intercepts they use, because he has been on
those kinds of missions.
He knew that they could grab him at any time, and that procedure was to make six other caches of what he wanted to conceal. He was sure that they were onto him. When he got to my house, he told me that a few days before this during his periodic 90-day physical that they were relieving him from duty and that they were going to send him home, that he was "dying of a fatal disease."
That concerned him a great deal, because he knew that that was the way they got rid of people who knew too much. He knew quite a bit, and he also has had duty eliminating others who "knew too much." I asked him if he was worried, and he said "no, those other people were traitors, enemies of the country.
That's what we were trained for. We kill the enemies of the country."
Well, I have run into these special forces people before, and I know how they are selected. They are selected from the regular ranks on the basis of "special patriotism", "special loyalty", and these traits are cultivated to the point where individuals would walk into machine gun fire "for the flag", if that was necessary.
Val: So they subject these people to programming and mind control techniques?
Wendelle: They are separated from the regular people by means of cultivating subliminal suggestivity. When they are watching a training move, for example, it might subliminally suggest that they "join the Glee Club". Those that are suggestible will join the club, and they then get other indoctrination until they have weeded out all those who will not make it in the program - those who are not subject to total suggestibility. They end up with people that are under perfect control - they are the ones who become the special forces, and they can get them to do anything. They would kill their partner if characterized by leadership as a "traitor to the country."
Val: So, what does that tell you about the ideology of the people in control of this?
Wendelle: Oh, they are arch-criminals. The people that set all of this up are really arch-criminals. Truly Machiavellian people. Anyway, they destroy the lives of the men they train in this way, because you can't "untrain " them. They draw them deeper and deeper into the program until they essentially become government "hit men". After they "hit" a certain number of people, they then "know too much" and are killed themselves.
Val: Who controls these people?
Wendelle: I don't know. He would find his "hit" orders under his pillow, but I don't want to talk too much about the "hit" side of it, because that's something else. He was among eight people running security of Level 2 of area Site 4 in Area 51. He only saw the first two levels, and they lived on Level 2. Their food was catered in and they ate in a dining hall. They weren't allowed to talk to each other very much, and when they did they were only allowed to talk about news that came on the television and that sort of thing. There were both video and audio pickups all over the place. They were not allowed names but assigned numbers. They lived this way for 28 days. Now, think of this. If you have "hit men", you can't leave them out in society. You have to "cool them" somewhere.
Even the Mafia knew that. Isn't this a marvelous way to "cool" government hit men? You take them to a facility like that for six months. It occurs to me that many of the people working in that facility are "arch-patriots" who would give their lives instantly to defend their country and its flag.
Val: Even if what they are being told is the "constitution and the flag" is in fact the exact opposite? How ironic.
Wendelle: They are lied to about that.
Val: So you finally got to meet this guy.
Wendelle: Yes, he came to my house shadowed by his six-man Delta Force pursuit team, who were all over the place. They used a white unmarked Cherokee van.
Val: So, what did this fellow reveal about what he had seen inside S-4?
Wendelle: He said that there were nine hangar bays at Level 2, and that during the time he was there only seven of them had aerial vehicles in them. These bays were platform elevators that could go up to level one and come down again. Sometimes that would remain up at level one for a day or so. Bob Lazar said that there were 9 bays at Level 1 where he was.
Val: Do you notice any significant difference between what Bob Lazar saw in this facility and what this other fellow claims he saw?
Wendelle: There were differences, but Lazar only saw Level 1 and this fellow spent his time on Level 2 and the security entry point for Level 1. Despite all the random security and entry screening procedures, he and some others managed to get a small Instamatic 110 camera in there and take some pictures. That is what he was trying to bring to me, but they got all his caches of pictures and killed him after that.
Val: Did he reveal how many levels he thought S-4 had?
Wendelle: He said that he knew of four levels, because there were separate elevators to those levels. Part of his job was to escourt people who came down from Level 1 to the elevators for Level 3 and Level 4. The elevator could only be activated by a magnetic card, a handprint and an optical retinal scan. If any of those failed, a bell could ring and that person would be arrested and hauled away. He said that they were not allowed to go down to Level 3 or Level 4, but that he heard "strange sounds" from the lower levels coming from the elevator shafts when the doors would open.
Val: Sounds like what?
Wendelle: Screams, he said. But, he only heard those occasionally.
Val: Did he ever characterize anything about the nature of the people who worked at the lower levels?
Wendelle: They were frequently escorted by a sentry, and that he didn't think they looked like real scientists. Most of them were "longhairs" with shaggy beards wearing a white smock. He began ask himself that question of why were universities not studying these things in S-4? He thought that they should be allowing everyone to study these things and that real progress would be made in circumstances other than those existing at S-4. He knew that the ships were extraterrestrial vehicles. They had peculiar characteristics. One of the vehicles always floated above its platform and never touched it.
Another one bore a static charge all the time. He said that one of the machines looked brand new, and he overheard some visitors say that it was found in an alluvial deposit under a lot of rocks.
Val: How old would you characterize an alluvial deposit that would be capable of covering something of that size?
Wendelle: Hundreds, maybe thousands of years old. He saw one of the ships that opened on the side above the flange like the "spreading of a fan".
Val: Like a Chinese fan opening?
Wendelle: Yes. One of the other ships was shaped like an acorn and had symbols around the bottom.
Val: Did he have the impression that the lower levels in S-4 might have had some "medical" purpose?
Wendelle: There were several vertical glass tanks with alien bodies suspended in them, naked, with a metallic band around the middle of the tank. He heard reference to that area as "the museum", as though the research had been moved somewhere else that that this was a storage place for the bodies where visitors could see them. He said that they patrolled a "line" on the floor and that they were not allowed to deviate from this "line" on the floor. They were discouraged from looking directly at anything but people coming in or going out.
They were not even allowed to look at each other.
Val: Well, obviously they didn't adhere to the rules, because they did get a look at some of these things.
What else was there besides the ships and the glass tubes?
Wendelle: There was a lot of computer-like machinery and other exhibits showing pieces of vehicles that were tagged and stored. Despite all of these conditions, he discovered two more of the guards that were as disenchanted as he was. He learned that a civilian biologist charged with taking care of the bodies in the tanks was equally disenchanted with what was being done, and the four of them conspired to bring the camera in. They waited for an opportunity and took 52 pictures.
Val: So, you are presuming that the rest of the caches were discovered.
Wendelle: Yes.
Val: Have you run into anyone else who has talked about underground facilities?
Wendelle: Yes. A friend of mine who tested the Meier metal sample in the Boeing plant in Washington was fired for doing it. He got a job with a tractor company in Washington as a plant foreman. When he reported for work, it turned out that the company was building tunneling machines. Machines with 25 and 30 foot bits.
Val: When was that?
Wendelle: In the early 1980's. Later, they were building machines with 100 foot diameter bits. They built them in modules which were assembled on- site. When the job was finished, they would have the machine dig itself into the tunnel wall and they would seal it up there. He said that the planet had no outside customers - only the government. There were no signs on the outside of the building, and he said that they had been making these machines for underground government tunneling since the late 1960's.
Val: And they are presumably still making them today.
Wendelle: Yes.
Val: Given all that has been going on in the last ten years, in your experience, what do you view as the most important task for researchers at this time?
Wendelle: Trying to get enough information to be able to specifically demonstrate the origin of some of these extraterrestrial species.
Also, we ought to be able to learn more about our own earth activities than we are learning. The reason we don't get any further is because of the depth of the security protection.
Val: Are you able to extrapolate or hypothesize what is happening out there, based on your own experience with all of this? I mean, there is the alternative-3 paradigm, the interaction between different alien species, the apparent black-suited German-speaking military that have been involved with abduction of people, the presence of the reptilian humanoids, and so forth.
Within all these parameters, can you hypothesize what is happening on this planet from your viewpoint?
Wendelle: Well, in my experience I don't see much cooperation between extraterrestrials. I see limited relationships at times. It appears that in this vast universe we occupy one little vibrational niche. Others occupy other niches. In a couple of cases I was working on, one extraterrestrial race was unaware of the existence of another race until they ran into them here. That was very interesting, because it means that the common idea that all extraterrestrials are in contact with each other is not true.
Val: Have you run into any cases involving time travel?
Wendelle: I have run into a couple of cases where extraterrestrials have solved that technology. In the Meier case, one time, Meier was discussing the relationship of matter and energy with Semjase, and she pointed out that they could convert matter to energy and back again. He asked then if matter and energy were on opposite side of the spectrum. Semjase replied, "no, neither one is an end. They are both positions along the spectrum."
He than asked, "if matter and energy can be converted into each other, where does the energy utlimately come from?" She then discussed the concept of "fine matter", which lies in between course matter and energy. Fine matter was defined as matter that is in the process of conversion into energy. It's not solid yet, nor is it true energy yet. He then restates his question, "where does the energy come from?"
Semjase then replied, "thought, and concept are the origin of all that is manifest. It begins with thought and energy is then condensed into matter."
Val: In other words, consciousness and energy create the nature of reality.
Wendelle: Exactly. Consciousness is, or is related to, the underlying force that produces the energy that is condensed into matter. That was interesting, because in another discussion on the subject of time and space, Semjase stated that time and space are opposite aspects of the same phenomena. She said that both time and space could be converted into each other, and that both inherently possess each other within themselves. When you move in one mode, you are also moving in the other. Semjase said that we perceive "space" as the distance from one point to another, with "markers" along the way. She said that time is the same way, and that those "confluences" in time are there because they affect the lives and destiny of many people. She said that you could chose a number of "alternate confluences" in time in order to get to the same destination in time.
Val: So, a "confluence" in time could be viewed as an "event horizon"?
Wendelle: Yes.
Val: Presuming that a society possessed the knowledge for space-time travel, one would think that if someone went into time and altered an event, it would create another probable timeline that would be different than the original one. Did they ever discuss anything like this?
Wendelle: No, but one time when the Pleiadians picked up Meier and a Greek Orthodox priest at the same time, there was a sheep herder where the pickup site for the priest was. He asked them what they were doing, and Meier and the priest invited the sheep herder aboard to go with them. The sheep herder, fearing loss of his little electric fence and charger, took them with him. They were going to go "back" in time, and they wanted to see how he would react to different time periods.
They went back to Charlemaine's time and came upon a little shack in the forest occupied by a mystic named Jecli, a rabbi who was a seer whom the king often summoned to ask questions about the future. So, there they are at the cabin of this rabbi Jecli, with the ship hidden in the forest. Now, evidently before the arrival of ship Jecli had made some prediction that was unpopular with the local population, and as they were in the cabin a crowd started to come down the path to confront Jecli. Meier, the priest and the sheep herder are inside, and the crowd outside is getting noisy. After Jecli confided that the crowd may enter the cabin, the sheep herder rigged his charger up to the doorknob. When the crowd linked together and attempted to pull open the door, they were given a shock and ran away in terror. Now, Jecli had an old bellows used for the fire in the cabin, and Meier wanted something to take back to Switzerland from the 14th century. The rabbi decided not to give him that but gave him a little metal object to take back.
They got back to present time, dropped off the sheep herder and took the Greek priest to Jeruselem, and finally dropped Meier off. We tried to do some research to see if we could find any sign of a royal advisor named Jecli in the 14th century, and we did in fact find evidence of a "seer" named Jecli who lived in the forest at that time.
Val: So, he was able to bring back an object from the 14th century?
Wendelle: Yes.
Val: So, did they ever discuss parallel realities at all?
Wendelle: Yes, they did. They said that our future is "open", and we do have a certain amount of free will relative to events, but that there are certain major events that are created long ahead of us. These "confluences in time" come from the input of many minds and many other things other than individuals, but once these "confluences" become established, then things pass through them. They said that everybody has an open choice of "confluences" to go through to get to a specific destination in time. We can choose among various avenues in time that are available to us. So, in that sense, we have free will and do not have to participate in a particular event. Events happen whether we are there or not. Whether we can change an event or not, I don't know.
Val: So, supposing an event is about to occur and one decides not to participate...
Wendelle: You'd take another route in your time stream.
Val: So, did they advise how one does that?
Wendelle: No, they didn't.
Val: That's unfortunate.
Wendelle: They also said that we are constantly creating our future long before it becomes manifest. Collective input from many minds creates new events further down the line which may not even occur in our lifetime. Destined events that will happen no matter what.
Val: Did they ever talk about a dimensional shift relative to earth?
Wendelle: They talked about a catastrophic event that comes along on schedule every 15 to 25 thousand years, or something like that.
Val: A pole shift?
Wendelle: Not always a pole shift. Sometimes the crust moves over the magma layer, which is rotating from west to east at about 1,780 miles per hour. The air mass over the planet is also rotating west to east at the same speed. So, everything appears to be still because everything is moving with us.
But, if some force like an accumulation of ice at one of the poles causes the planet to wobble, and the field strength is not high enough to compensate, the crust will shift. But, if the field strength declines and cannot compensate, then the planet "breaks lock" and the heavy mass goes to the equator, taking the whole crust with it. So now, the poles that were in relative stasis is suddenly moving 1,780 miles per hour.
Val: So this event will occur?
Wendelle: This type of event happens cyclically, and they said that when this kind of event happens, the Mach 3 wind and water at the equator destroys everything. It turns blocks of granite to sand. The buildup of ice at the South pole is now over 14,000 feet thick.
Val: Did they give a date when this is supposed to happen?
Wendelle: No. The window is wide. We have been in this condition before, and they have had colonies on the planet that were evacuated before the critical time, but those who chose to stay were destroyed. If you can imagine the movement of wind and water over the equator at Mach 3, past 60 degrees latitude it drops down to Mach 2 and then below that to winds that are tolerable. There is a wide band equal to about half the width of the planet at the "new" equatorial belt that is completely wiped out. All life disappears and all structures disappears. Mach 1 water will cut steel. Imagine what Mach 3 velocity will do. So, life then has to propogate itselt back. Everything that ends up at the pole during the shift gets "flash frozen" instantly. It takes a few hundred years for everything to restore itself, and life finds its way back.
Val: So, where would one have to be on the planet to survive such an event?
Wendelle: To survive, you would have to be in a mid-latitude position that ends up going to another mid-latitude position, like 30 degrees to 30 degrees. When the "lock" breaks and the poles move to the equator position, you don't know along which meridian they will move. Some longitudes will be safe and others
will be lethal. Your position will have to be 60 degrees or more from the "new"equator.
Val: So if these people can travel in time, they would know "when" this would
occur?
Wendelle: No. It's not that simple. Although they can travel in time, don't forget that the idea of "time" is a linear construct for us. Time is not the same for them. Time to them is like a geographical space. It's a whole concept where you can enter and leave anywhere in time. So, it's not a simple matter to go to a specific point in time.
Val: They would have to skip around and try to find the event.
Wendelle: They would have to know where they would want to go, because we don't have a fixed position in time, and they say that they go forward and backward through time along whatever stream they happen to be researching.
Val: We live in a time stream. How would you characterize a time stream?
Wendelle: Well, we are in a linear time stream that we perceive as moving from year to year. That only holds on this planet at a particular place in space and time. If we move off the planet, we move into different time streams, and actually we are moving in the same "whole time" but picking streams that are occupied or unoccupied. It gets infinitely complex when you get into this.
Val: You are aware of the Philadelphia and Montauk experiments, or at least what has been said about them.
Wendelle: Yes. Warping space-time with magnetic fields.
Val: So these projects reflect an "abnormal" process?
Wendelle: Yes, it's an artificial process.
Val: Is it no more or less artificial than what the Pleiadians were doing?
Wendelle: They weren't so much taking anything "forward and backward in time" as they were changing their point of observation.
Val: So it's a matter of perspective.
Wendelle: Yes, something like that.
SOME QUESTIONS ASKED DURING THE WENDELLE STEVENS LECTURE:Question: With all the events that are happening now in the media, do you see a big change coming relative to the alien issue and government secrecy?
Wendelle: I don't see a big change coming. They have kept it secret for some 40 years, and I think that they can do it for another 40 years if they decide to do that. In the military, I understood it as a "national security" problem in the sense that in the military textbooks whenever a new technological advance came along, those with the new technology "won the war." With respect to UFOs, it gives us the chance for some technological breakthrough and military superiority.
From a strategic point of view, if we can keep people from believing that we have this kind of technology, they will be less likely to be forced into overt acts than if they were convinced that we had these things. I think that we have learned a lot from crash residue. We have gained some things and have manufactured "copy" craft that do fly and that can generate a force-field around them. I don't see any point in the near future where the government will open the files and let the public have access to all this information.
There are a lot of arguments that say that the government may "stage" some event in order to allow the government to take an overt action, such as a simulated raid with the craft that we have that look very much like extraterrestrial vehicles, except that they are not, in order to create a situation of martial law. In that case, the event would have been staged by the government in order to give them an excuse to act. I am not sure some of those kind of events have not already taken place.
Question: What about the variety of races visiting earth and the reason for it?
Wendelle: In a number of cases that I have studied, alien races have been asked how old they were and how long they live. The answer usually was that they lived between 600 and 1,000 years. So, if we look at that and say that 80% of them lived that long and the rest lived 300 or 400 years, and compare that to our life span, 80 years, what does that tell you?
It tells you that there is something peculiar on this planet that shortens our physical life span, and that our short life span is not normal in the universe or even in our part of the galaxy. Some have said that our short life span is due to the harsh radiation coming from our sun, and the loss of the vapor envelope thousands of years ago (when we lived to be 800 years old) reduced our life span to 10% of its former length. We have had that ever since.
That event may have meant that we became "rats in the lab" for other species to study the effect of this, where we now have short life spans, harsh radiation and rapid mutation rates on this planet, which is why this planet has more species and sub-classes of life than any other planet the extraterrestrials visit. We have become a useful laboratory for research in that respect, and our short life span allows rapid study of genetic changes.
Question: What information do you have on the subject of Nazi's at the South Pole?
Wendelle: When World War II ended, and Europe was being overrun by the allies, the country in charge of each sector of Europe. In our sector, we backed trucks up to the former production facilities and hauled off all the documents.
Everyone else did the same thing. Some twelve years later the Australians discovered a 16mm film, a technical report, of the German V-7 research project.
The V-7 weapons research project involved circular disk-shaped craft. Now, we knew about programs V-1 through V-4, but we had no previous idea about the V-7 program. The information in this documentary seemed to indicate that the Germans built their first operational disk sometime in the early 1940's in the first production facility in Prague.
Then they proceeded to expand their design, development and research teams until by the time the Germans were being driven back into Germany, they had nine research facilities, all with projects under testing. They successfully evacuated eight of those facilities out of Germany, along with the scientists and the key people. The ninth facility was blown up.
Now, this 16mm film showed some pictures of flying vehicles in operation. We also knew through intelligence, where I was working at the end of the war, that the Germans built eight very large cargo submarines, especially built, and they were all commissioned, launched and proceeded to disappear without a trace. To this day, we have no idea where they went. They are not on the bottom of the ocean or at any port we know of. It's a mystery, but the mystery might have been solved by this Australian documentary film, which shows large German cargo submarines in the Antarctic with ice flows all around them, and crews standing on deck waiting for tie-up at a quay.
We have underground information that some of the research facilities in Germany were taken to a place called "New Schwabenland". Now, Germany was called "Schwabenland" before it was called Germany. So, we are talking about "New Germany", and it is located in an area at the South Pole formerly called Queen Maude Land. Back around 1937, we convened an international conference under the League of Nations at the time to decide to restrict new claims to land in Antarctica.
At the time, everyone seemed to have a claim except Germany, who had not staked out a claim but only had some research going on down there. The whole thing was designed to keep Germany from making a land claim as the Nazi's were coming to power. We refused to recognize German claims, which were shown on German maps. A couple of years ago, National Geographic showed the German claim on a map for the first time.
But, back in 1939, Goering led an expedition to the Antarctic, including a submarine force, and they took construction and digging equipment down there and began excavating a tunnel complex, and this activity might have been going on since that time. If that is the case, it could be a sizable complex today. That may be where the big cargo submarines are. We believe that at least one or more of the disk research facilities were taken to Antarctica. We had information that one was taken to the Amazon, and that another was taken to the north coast of Norway, where there is a strong German population. Those were taken into secretly maintained underground facilities.
Before World War II, the Germans had military advisors all over South America, and when we got into the war we pursuaded countries in South America to give up German advisors and accept American ones. Down there, they still prefer the Germans and have never liked us. It is quite possible that some of this material and some of these research facilities were de-centralized to South America as the German empire began to collapse.
The big companies like I.G. Farben and the German subsidiary of General Electric opened large subsidiary plants in Rio and Sao Paulo in Brazil, and some of these new facilities became larger that they had been in Germany. So, there would have been support capability for disk research facilities. One has to wonder how much truth there really is to all of this. It appears that some of the craft we see today are nothing more than further developments of German disk technology. So, we may in fact be visited periodically by Germans.
That adds a little bit of interest to the Randy Winters story - the man in Miami who says that he was told by the "human beings from the Pleiaides" that visit him that there are many Germans in their spaceport in the Amazon, and that third and fourth-generation Germans have grown up in that society and have gone to school with alien children, and have interacted with them from a very young age.
Some of the Germans have been accepted into service with some of the alien groups and actually fly, operate and live aboard alien spacecraft.
Now, this is getting really exciting and far out. At the same time, it is not improbable. We know that the decentralization of Germany was designed to provide the basis for a Fourth Reich, whose original purpose was to return to power and conquer the allies. That never happened, but it didn't happen. The contactee in Florida said that the reason that this didn't happen was that when the old Germans from WW II Germany died off and the children grew up next to alien children, they no longer had the same feeling about ownership and possession of the planet, because they could travel in space and go elsewhere.
They no longer wanted to be responsible for another country on the surface of the planet when there were bigger things "out there". So the descendents have no urge to do anything with the idea of a Fourth Reich, but are in fact working with many of these extraterrestrials and do come up here and interact with our society. So, one has to wonder how much we are observing is manmade, and how much is truly extraterrestrial technology.
Certainly there is some of both, but we don't know what the percentages are.
End of Interview
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