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Posted: Oct 16 2004, 09:39 PM
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Famous Christians are listed here, Christians from all of history, in the following "Hall of Christian Fame." This is but a very small selection of all who should be mentioned here. Some of them are still celebrated today. Do they represent Christian virtue and holiness? Can they serve as a model of Christian life? Until a few decades ago most Christian leaders would have confirmed this, some even do so today. So the question arises: what is the achievement of these Christians' lives, what is the human race indebted to them for?
I kindly suggest the reader to judge for himself.
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CONSTANTINE THE GREAT
First Christian Roman Emperor, 285 - 337.
Constantine was the first Roman Emperor (306-337) to fight wars in the name of Christianity. Bishops soon accompanied his troops, and since 317 no battle was fought without the "Labarum," the ensign with the initial letters of Christ. Although Constantine himself was not baptized until on his deathbed, under Constantine the Christian religion had become legal (edict of tolerance 313). After defeating his opponent Maxentius (drowned in the river Tiber, Rome), breaking the alliance with his brother-in-law, the eastern emperor Licinius, Constantine started a war in the year 324 that was fought as a crusade from the beginning and was to annihilate the troops of Licinius. Although Constantine's sister pleaded for the life of her husband, who was exiled to Thessalonike, Constantine again broke his oath and had him murdered there. But Constantine also had another brother-in-law of his murdered, as well as the son of Licinius, his own illegitimate son Crispus, and even his allegedly adulterous wife Fausta (who was found to be innocent afterwards).
Thus, according to Church Father Lactantius, Constantine was "a model of Christian virtue and holiness."
Constantine also intervened in the controversy between Arius, a well known scholar and minister of the Baukalis Church, Alexandria, and Church Father Athanasius, who declared Arius to be a heretic. Athanasius forged a letter in the name of Constantine, calling for the death penalty for all who kept any of Arius' writings. Constantine had him sent into exile, but immediately after his death Athanasius was pardoned by the emperor's son, Constantius II in 337.


CONSTANTIUS II
Christian Roman Emperor 337 - 361.
Suffice it to say that the first to gain access to the throne of the Roman Empire as a Christian immediately after the death of Constantine had both of his uncles and seven cousins murdered to rise to power. Only two other cousins, twelve year old Gallus, and seven year old Julian, who was to become the last pagan emperor, survived this butchery in the first Christian dynasty.

AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO
Church Father, Bishop of Hippo Regius, Saint, 354 - 430.
Augustine was among the first in a long line of Christian teachers to call for coercive conversion (CC) - cogite intrare - and for punishment for heresy, thus paving the way to the medieval inquisition tribunals and persecution of other beliefs.
While the earliest Christian theologians had been of differing opinions on the matter of warfare, while some like the noble Origen even were outspokenly opposed to war, Augustine's utterances on the matter were strongly in favor of divinely inspired wrack and ruin. In a letter to the Manichaean heretic Faustus he wrote:

"Why do you object to war? Surely not, because men, who eventually die anyway, are killed in war?"
His views have been summarized:

"Any violation of God's laws, and by easy extension, any violation of Christian doctrine, could be seen as an injustice warranting unlimited punishment ... of the enemy population without regard to the distinction between soldiers and civilians. Motivated by righteous wrath, the just warriors could kill with impunity even those who were morally innocent."

Likewise concerning women Augustine was faithful to the legacy of his predecessors, he wrote to a friend:

"What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman... I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children."

Therefore not the doctrine of Jesus, not to repay evil with evil, but the doctrine of Church Father Augustine characterized Christianity and the Christian Churches from ancient to medieval times, resulting in persecution, harrassment, torture and death for ages, the victims of which were believers and non-believers alike.


LEO I.
Church Father, Saint, Pope 440 - 461.
Leo I was the first in a long line of popes to arrange for punishment of heresy and all beliefs other than Christianity. Having no legal authority of his own, Leo I induced the Emperor's edict to punish and pursue the Pelagianists, the Priscillianists in Spain, and the Manichaeans in the whole Roman empire, the first organized persecution of Christians by Christians. The infamous edict was even written in the papal secretariate.
At the same time bishop Optatus of Mileve called for capital punishment of the Donatists, another Christian sect of the time.

GREGORY VII.
Hildebrand, Saint, Pope 1073-1086.
One of the first popes to claim world domination. His decree that only popes could install or depose kings and emperors, as well as validate any property, forced Henry IV, the German emperor, to kneel for three days in the snows of Canossa for doubting the supremacy of the ecclesiastical over civil power (in Catholic "history writing" this vile humiliation is still referred to as follows: "Cleverly the King stood shivering in a penitential garb.")

Gregory was one of the many medieval popes to command and order wars, for example he induced the Normans to wage war against the Anti-pope Clement (1080-1100), who was supported by Henry IV.

URBAN II.
Odo de Lagery, Pope 1088-1099.
Urban II summoned the council at Clermont in Auvergne/France in November, 1095; thirteen archbishops, two hundred and twenty-five bishops, over ninety abbots, and thousands of nobles and knights answered the pope's summons. Urban used his gifts of eloquence to the utmost, depicting the "captivity" of Jerusalem by muslim Saracens, calling even Christian robbers for help: "Let them turn their weapons dripping with the blood of their brothers against the enemy of the Christian Faith. Let them--oppressors of orphans and widows, murderers and violaters of churches, robbers of the property of others, vultures drawn by the scent of battle--let them hasten, if they love their souls, under their captain Christ to the rescue of Sion."

This resulted in the First Crusade, an unprovocated war of aggression that cost about one million lives. First among the victims were uncounted thousands of Jews in France and Germany.

In 1099 the Christians finally conquered Jerusalem, having hurled themselves against the walls "like madmen." Wrote the Archbishop of Tyre:

"Regardless of age or condition, they laid low, without distinction, every enemy they encountered. Everywhere there was frightful carnage, everywhere lay heaps of severed heads, so that soon it was impossible to pass or to go from one place to another except over the bodies ... everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain."

Jews who had taken refuge in the city's synagogue were burned alive, thousands of muslims were chopped to death in Al-Aqsa mosque. Old and sick were among the first infidels to meet their proper end, their bodies slashed open in search of gold coins they might have swallowed - for the pope had decreed that any spoils of war were possessions the Christians could keep.

Note: Apologists claim that the Eastern Emperor, Alexius I, had sent an embassy to the pope asking for help against the Seljuk Turks, allegedly a serious menace to the Empire of Constantinople.
This is at least an enormous exaggeration, however, and besides, a menace to the Eastern Roman Empire had nothing to do with Jerusalem.

BERNARD OF CLAIRVAUX
Cistercian monk, Saint, 1090 - 1153.
Bernard of Clairvaux, since 1115 abbot prior of Clairvaux, an offshoot of the monastery of Cluny, was at the time celebrated like a prophet or apostle and was possibly the most powerful man of the time - "they say that I am the pope, not you," [Bern. ab. Cl., Epist. 239] Bernard once wrote smugly in a letter to pope Eugenius III, a former disciple of Bernard. In 1146 the pope commissioned Bernard to preach a new Crusade, which, considering Eugenius' weak character, was hardly his idea alone.
Only half a century had passed since the first crusade had introduced into human history atrocities of a kind the world had never seen before. Without a second thought to the numerous victims of the first crusade - not to mention compassion - Bernard launched his campaign for further blood-baths in Vézelay, preaching accordingly of Christian morals:

"Total extermination of the Heathen - or definitive conversion!" [Bern. ab. Cl., Epist. 457]

Of course, God could easily send more than

"...twelve legions of angels to the battlefields," [but He prefers to] "entrust us tiny worms with this mission: Now thou seest the great skill wherewith he wants to procure for your salvation!" [Bern. ab. Cl., Epist. 363]

Very understandably homilies of this kind again filled the hearts of Jews with fear. Once again disgusting atrocities against Jews began, but far less Jews were killed than half a century before: for once, Bernard, the Christian monk, was opposed to slaying the Jews, and this must not be forgotten (even if Bernard simply may have been jealous of the successful preacher Radulf, whose antisemitic instigations lacked official authorization, which should be granted to him, Bernard, alone).
Nevertheless in terms of the subsequent body-count his crusade was a full success, in terms of regaining control of the Holy Land it was a total failure. Again hundreds of thousands of Saracens, men, women and children, had been killed, again hundreds of thousands of Christian knights and soldiers had shed their blood on foreign soil, but to no avail: not a single castle was recaptured from muslim rule. Again about one million lives had been destroyed.
Commented chronicler Otto, Bishop of Freising:

"Even if this campaign has been seviceable neither to expand our borders, nor to the welfare of our bodies, it has been useful for the salvation of many a soul." [Otto Fris., Gesta I, 65]

But Otto did not mean the survivors, he meant the victims, the murdered, the tortured, and those sold into slavery. Meanwhile the restless Bernard put the blame for the failure on Eugenius, his hapless pope. Just a few years later the time was ripe for Bernard to preach a new crusade, fortunately this time without success. After this disappoining experiences, in 1153 he died, not in blood, dust, and screaming of pain like his victims, but peacefully in his bed in the monastery of Clairvaux. On January 18, 1174 he was canonized and placed on the calendar of saints by pope Alexander III.

INNOCENT III.
Lotario di Segni, Pope, 1198-1216.
Innocent III, the greatest sovereign ever to rule the Catholic world, made his mark as one of the prime mass murderers in human history. No other medieval pope viewed himself in comparable grandeur as sovereign ruler of the world. In the sermon delivered on his own coronation Innocent III claimed, speaking of himself:

"Now you may see who is the servant who is placed over the family of the Lord; truly is the Vicar of Jesus Christ, the successor of Peter, the Christ of the Lord (!); placed in the middle between God and man, on this side of God, but beyond man, less than God, but greater than man; who judges all, but is judged by none."
[Serm. iii. in Consecrat.]

Already one of his first epistles concerned a new crusade, at the same time the last one was collapsing. This started the fourth crusade, which in 1204 resulted in the sacking and destruction of the (then Christian!) cities of Zara (Hungary) and Constantinople.

Innocent also procured for the conquest of Livonia in 1199 by Catholic troops. Apart from this, Innocent deposed King John of England, declaring "him and his posterity for ever" incapable of the English throne and making him his vassal.
Furthermore, during the fourth Lateran council in 1215, Innocent decreed the most infamous legislature against Jews, forcing Jews to live in ghettos, banning intermarriage, expelling Jews from certain professions, and last but not least forcing Jews to wear a yellow sign on their clothing to mark them as Jews, the historical root of the corresponding Nazi legislation.

Maybe one of Innocent's most outrageus actions was his personal ambition to totally annihilate the Albigensian heretics, who by this time constituted almost half of the population in the Languedoc (today France). Since the heretics - who viewed themselves as good Christians - were mostly peaceful and law-abiding people who were opposed to the death penalty and simply refused to accept Roman Catholic rule, their faithful Catholic authorities - such as the noble and humane Raymond, Count of Toulouse - tolerated them and saw no need to "cleanse" their estate from their own subjects. Even the French king refused to make war on the Albigenses, despite the papal declaration he could take and keep the territory. Innocent needed several years of preaching, plotting and scheming, and threatening with excommunication to launch a crusade against these harmless people. In the subsequent blood-bath that was to torment the country for twenty years about one million men, women and children were slain, stabbed to death, drowned or butchered. Immediately after the first butchery that devastated the city of Beziérs and annihilated its population the Abbot Arnaud Amaury of Citeaux, papal emissary and leader of the Catholic soldiery, returned to the pope triumphantly reporting the "killing of twenty thousand without respect for age or gender."
After the war ended the Inquisition took over until the last Albigenses were burned at the stake in 1324. The destruction of this heresy alone cost about one million lives.

THOMAS AQUINAS
Doctor of the Church, Saint, 1225 - 1274.
Apart from being a firm supporter of slavery, Thomas was a fierce advocate of death penalty for heresy. In his own words:
With regard to heretics [...] there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports temporal life. Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death.

On the part of the Church, however, [...] if he is yet stubborn, the Church no longer hoping for his conversion, looks to the salvation of others, by excommunicating him and separating him from the Church, and furthermore delivers him to the secular tribunal to be exterminated thereby from the world by death.

For Jerome commenting on Gal. 5:9, "A little leaven," says: "Cut off the decayed flesh, expel the mangy sheep from the fold, lest the whole house, the whole paste, the whole body, the whole flock, burn, perish, rot, die. Arius was but one spark in Alexandria, but as that spark was not at once put out, the whole earth was laid waste by its flame."
[Summa theol. IIa, IIae q. XI a 3]

But this was not enough. Thomas Aquinas in his superstitious and misogynist writings also laid the ground for the great witch hunts that began two centuries after his death.

"As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence."

It is mainly his doctrine of evil demons - incubi and succubi, allegedly cohabiting with witches - that served as theoretical basis for thousands of inquisition verdicts.

To complete his character sketch it can be added that according to his teaching, which was adopted as Church doctrine, an important aspect of the benefits of salvation for the Righteous would be the opportunity to watch the Unfaithful being tortured in hell.

INNOCENT VIII.
Giovanni Battista Cibo, Pope, 1484-1492
He was the first pope to enter the Vatican accompanied by his illegitimate son, Franceschetto, who was known in Rome for his gambling affairs and burglary. Innocent pompously celebrated the wedding of Franceschetto and the wedding of the daughter of Teodorina, his own illegitimate daughter, in the Vatican.

Among historians today Innocent VIII is best known for his infamous Witch Bull of 1484, which launched several centuries of persecution of so-called witches. Several hundred thousand women, children and men (about 20%) were tortured and burned at the stake or hanged.

CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS
Trader of African Slaves, Sailor and Holy Crusader, 1492
Although best known today as "discoverer" of lands that had been discovered by Native Americans thousands of years before, it was already Columbus who introduced all those measures generally attributed to later conquistadors; including the enslavement of Indians and hunting them down with large packs of dogs.

On his first voyage he described the natives as follows:

"The people of this island and of all other islands which I have found and seen, ... all go naked, ... they ... are so artless and free with all they possess, that no one would believe it without having seen it. Of anything they have, if you ask them for it, they never say no; rather they invite the person to share it, and show as much love as if they were giving their hearts..."

Because Columbus observed that the natives "ought to be good servants... and would easily be made Christians", and because his "execution of the affair of the Indies" was a "fulfilment of prophecies in Isaiah," he "took possession" of the islands, since the natives were intended by God "to be placed under the authority of civilized and virtuous princes or nations, so that they may learn ... to practice better morals, worthier customs and a more civilized way of life."

Should the Indians object, the necessary declarations Columbus read (in spanish!) to the natives, continued:

"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter your country and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of Their Highness. We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them..."

At virtually every landing on Columbus second voyage his troops went ashore and killed indiscriminately whatever animals and birds and natives they encountered, "looting and destroying all they found," as Columbus' son Fernando put it.

As one eyewitness recalls:

"Once the Indians were in the woods, the next step was to form squadrons and pursue them, and whenever the Spaniards found them, they pitilessly slaughtered everyone like sheep in the corral. ... So they would cut an Indian's hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin and they would send him on saying 'Go now, spread the news to your chiefs.'...
Some Christians encounter an Indian woman, who was carrying in her arms a child at suck; and since the dog they had with them was hungry, they tore the child from the mother's arms and flung it still living to the dog, who proceeded to devour it before the mother's eyes..."

On one occasion in Cuba they

"began to rip open their bellies, to cut and kill those lambs - men, women, children, and old folk, all of whom were seated, off guard, and frightened."

After all, the Indians were only infidels,

"naturally lazy and vicious, ... idolatrous, libidinous, and commit sodomy."

In less than a decade after Columbus' first landing the native population of the island of Hispaniola - thousands and thousands of people - had dropped by a third to a half. Before the next century ended, the population of Cuba and many other Caribbean islands had been virtually exterminated.


MARTIN LUTHER
Ex-Catholic Monk, 1483 - 1546.
Among Martin Luther's most well known admirers were the German Nazis. His infamous writing "On the Jews and their Lies" of 1543 was used as a justification for the Holocaust - the murder of about 6 million Jews in World War II - by German Nazis in the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal of 1945, who justly claimed they had done nothing more than what was suggested by Martin Luther four centuries before.

After all, among Luther's vile rantings against Jews were texts like the following excerpts:

"Their breath stinks for the gold and silver of the heathen; since no people under the sun always have been, still are, and always will remain more avaricious than they, as can be noticed in their cursed usury. Therefore know, my dear Christians, that next to the Devil, you have no more bitter, more poisonous, more vehement and enemy than a real Jew who earnestly desires to be a Jew...
Do not their Talmud and rabbis write that it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore, to steal and rob - as they do with their moneylending - from a heathen, is a divine service...
Now what are we going to do with these rejected, condemned Jewish people?...(Luther, On the Jews and their Lies, 1543)

Thus complaining about "Christians hav[ing] been tortured and persecuted by the Jews in all the world," Luther offered his "sincere advice"

"to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn... I advise that their houses be razed and destroyed... I advise that all their prayer books... in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them... that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb... that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews... that all their treasure of silver and gold be taken from them... But if the authorities are reluctant to use force and restrain the Jews' devilish wantonness, the latter should, as we said, be expelled from their country and be told to return to ... Jerusalem where they may lie, curse, blaspheme, defame, murder, steal, rob, practice usury, mock, and indulge in all those infamous abominations which they practice among us, and leave ... our Lord the Messiah, our faith, and our church undefiled and uncontaminated with their devilish tyranny and malice." (Luther, On the Jews and their Lies, 1543)


Although Luther's observation about the Talmud is correct (Sanhedrin 57a), his hateful foaming was a source of inspiration to anti-semites for centuries to come. The simple truth is that the Jews of his time could look back on a history of well over thousand years of persecution and harassment by Christians, and the number of Jews slain or tortured to death may well have exceeded half a million.

Even though Luther himself began his career a heretic - "I'll have that heretic burning in three weeks" his Catholic adversary John Tetzel, a successful indulgence preacher, said -, his own opinion on heresy was no different:

"Make short work with heretics, they can be condemned unheard. And while they are burning at the stake, the faithful should destroy the evil root and branch and bathe his hands in the blood of the bishops and the pope who is the devil in disguise."


Among protestants today Luther is celebrated because of his alleged respect for married life and women, which, apart from Luther's support for the witch hunts, is shown by his preaching to pregnant women:

Let us have your child and do as you can; if you die: bless you because you surely die in noble labor and according to God's will ... So you seest how feeble and unhealthy the barren women are; those blessed with many offspring are healthier, cleaner und merrier. But if they eventually bear themselves tired and dead, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that is what they are here for."
(Martin Luther, On married life, 1522)

In the era of the peasant wars, the temporary culmination of the unbroken wars and feuds that rent and devastated Germany for centuries, Luther supported the feudal authorities' indiscriminate killing of inobedient, starving subjects in his infamous and incendiary writing "Against the murderous and robbing rabble of Peasants". In this he "dipped his pen in blood" [LM180], and "calls upon the princes to slaughter the offending peasants like mad dogs, to stab, strangle and slay as best one can, and holds out as a reward the promise of heaven."

His advice was literally followed. The encounters were more in the character of massacres than battles. The undisciplined peasants with their rude farming implements as weapons, were slaughtered like cattle in the shambles. Hundreds of villages were laid in ashes, the harvests of the nation were destroyed, and roughly 100,000 killed.


TERESA OF AVILA
Nun, Saint, Greatest Catholic Mystic 1515 - 1582,
and other mystic saints.
Oh no, Saint Teresa and other nuns are not listed here because they are to be ranked with the other Christians counted among this row of thugs: they harmed no one, except at most themselves.
Teresa and others appear here because their life and their writings show how much a millennium of Christianity had adversely affected human life; how much healthy thinking, healthy feeling, healthy sexual life, and compassion had been replaced by sick teachings, sick emotions, sick reasoning and sick morals. Some of the actions of these saints are almost unbelievable.
Already on entering the monastery these nuns received a lash with the instruction to use it frequently. Many chastised themselves twice a day, some three or four times. As a historian put it:

"Reading the lives of fourteenth- and fifteenth-century women saints greatly expands one's knowledge of Latin synonyms for whip, thong, flail, chain, etc. ... Among the more bizarre female behaviours were rolling in broken glass, jumping into ovens, hanging from a gibbet, and praying upside down [as well as] thrusting needles into one's breasts, and praying barefoot in winter." [BH209f]

In an era when it was considered sin to wash regularly, such behaviour was motivated by the traditional Christian compulsion to deny and to rout the pleasures of the flesh.
Jesus Christ appeared as a bridegroom to the nuns, these "sponsae Christi" (brides of Christ) and "Christi copulatae," (!) [Hieron. epist. ad Eust.], who lived a celibate life in a monastery, some even feeling impregnated (sic!) by their Lord, Jesus Christ.

Saint Magdalena dei Pazzi (1566 - 1607), a Carmelite nun from Florence, wallowed in thorns, had hot wax poured onto her skin, and had herself whipped, moaning "Oh enough, this is to endure too much blessedness, too much blissful ecstasy!" Often she stood motionless, "until feeling the love poured into her, filling her body with new life."
At other times she ran raving in a frenzy through her monastery, catching another nun and crying: "Come on, run with me to call for love" or "Love, love, love, oh it is too much!" [TU]

The French Salesian nun Marguerite Marie Alacoque (1647-1690) cut the monogram of Jesus into her breast, and when it was healing too fast, burned it in again with a candle. At times she drank only washings, ate rotten bread and fruit, and once licked up the sputa of a patient with her tongue. In her autobiography she described the joy she felt when she had eaten the faeces of a patient suffering diarrhoea (!). For this ordeal she was allowed to kiss the heart of Jesus, who apparently held her in his arms the subsequent night. [TU]

Saint Angela of Foligno (1248-1309) even relished the washings of lepers. "Never before I drank with such joy," she confessed, "a piece of scurfy skin from one of the lepers' wounds was stuck in my throat, and I tried very much to swallow it, finally succeeding. I felt like having received Holy Communion. There are no words to express the shudders of joy that ran through my limbs." [TU]

Like other saints Teresa of Avila (1515-1582) felt no joys worth mentioning in her youth. During twenty years she was "a wicked woman", the "most wicked among the naughty," and was "worthy of the company of infernal demons," as she put it. [Teresa I, 48, 53, 71, 85, 139, 164, 174].
The first to really satisfy her was her father confessor, a "great admirer of Virgin Mary," especially "of her conception," but also of another female of the same locality, and now of Teresa as well. [Teresa I, 56ff] Obviously all these women overtaxed the poor monk, he died a year later.
The devil, tempter, was always on pursuit of her, especially after this buffet of fate. Until, yah, until the Lord, Jesus Christ, came to her rescue, first in the monastery of Veas, there putting a ring on her finger as a sign of heavenly betrothal, but, alas, showing only his hand. Only later he showed his face, then, piece by piece, all of his body, since "she would not have endured all at once." [Teresa I. 487, 261]
Thus, Teresa became a poet out of love, seeing "the flag of the Lord erected," which turned "into the highest tower," and while "the trees filled with sap"!


COTTON MATHER
Protestant, Puritan Divine, Witch Hunter, 1663-1728
Reverend Cotton Mather, revered Pastor of the Second Church in Boston, Massachusetts, is best known today for his participation in the extermination of the so called evils of witchcraft in the Salem witch hunts of 1691-1692. [HW]
He also relished in the extermination of other evils, namely the native population - the "tawny pagans" - of so-called New England, once referring to the slaughter of about six hundred natives as "barbeque" (sic). Today's historians have named the event "a seventeenth-century My Lai."
Although Colonist-imported smallpox, "prodigious Pestilence," repeatedly swept the land of nineteen out of every twenty native inhabitants,

"so that the Woods were almost cleared of these pernicious Creatures, to make room for a better Growth,"

as a delighted Cotton Mather commented, the Christian colonists set out to search and destroy what was left. Following Mather's advice, the colonists systematically executed the surviving male Indians, while the women and children were shipped off to the slave markets of Spain or the West Indies, or were kept as servants for the colonists themselves.
Commented Mather on another occasion:

"In a little more than one hour, five or six hundred of these barbarians were dismissed from a world that was burdened with them."

One of these instances, a butchery alongside the Connecticut River, has been described by an eyewitness:

"Our soldiers got thither after an hard March just about break of day, took most of the Indians fast asleep, and put their guns even into their Wigwams, and poured in their shot among them... others of the Indians... got into Canoes to paddle away, but the paddlers being shot, the Canoes over-set with all therein, ...most that fell over board were born by the strong current of that River, and carryed upon the Falls of Water from those exceeding high and steep Rocks, and from thence tumbling down were broken in pieces; the English did afterwards find of their bodies, some in the River and some cast a-shore, above two hundred."

Referring to some Indians who had given offense to the colonists, Mather wrote:

"Once you have but got the Track of those Ravenous howling Wolves, then pursue them vigorously; Turn not back until they are consumed... Beat them small as Dust before the Wind."

As is the case with so many Christian leaders, the denomination of which started as a heretical deviation persecuted by the official Church, Mather held similar views on heresy. In a letter he referred to a sect of Christians who were about the only ones ever genuinely opposed to the extermination of the "Heathen" natives, the Quakers:

"September ye 15, 1682,

To ye Aged and Beloved Mr. JOHN HIGGINSON,
There is now at sea a ship called the Welcome, which has on board an hundred or more of the heretics and malignants called "Quakers," with W.Penn, who is the chief scamp, at the head of them.
The general court has accordingly given secret orders to Master Malachi Huscott, of the brig Porpoise, to waylay the said Penn and his ungodly crew, so that the Lord may be glorified, and not mocked on the soil of this new country with the heathen worship [sic] of these people.
Much spoil can be made by selling the whole lot to Barbados, where slaves fetch good prices in rum and sugar.

COTTON MATHER,
American Clergyman."

ANDREW JACKSON
President of the United States, 1828 - 1837
After suffering a calamitous measure of ruination since the time of their earliest encounter with Europeans, the Native American Cherokee population continued to decline steadily as the years unfolded, a consequence of endless displacement, warfare, and seizures of land. The British turned their murderous attention to the quest for Indian liquidation; the result for the Cherokee was that "their towns is all burned, their Corn cut down and Themselves drove into the Woods to perish," as one contemporary wrote.

From the precipice of non-existence, the Cherokee slowly struggled back. Then, in 1828 Andrew Jackson, whose life had been saved in 1814 by a Cherokee, was elected President. The same Andrew Jackson ("The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests") who once had written that "the whole Cherokee Nation ought to be scurged." The same Andrew Jackson who had led troops against peaceful Indian encampments, calling the Indians "savage dogs," and boasting that "I have on all occasions preserved the scalps of my killed." The same Andrew Jackson who - after his presidency was over - still was recommending that American troops specifically seek out and systematically kill Indian women and children who were in hiding: to do otherwise, he wrote, was equivalent to pursuing "a wolf in the hamocks without knowing first where her den and whelps were."
Almost immediately upon Jackson's ascension to the Presidency, the state of Georgia claimed for itself enormous chunks of Cherokee property, employing a fraudulent technique that Jackson himself had once used to justify dispossession.

Still, the Cherokee resisted. And by peaceful means. The Cherokee people, who were living in towns, had their own parliament, and a majority of whom were literate by 1825, won their case before the U.S. Supreme Court, with a ruling written by Justice John Marshall, a ruling that led to Jackson's famous remark: "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it."
Jackson spoke to his Congressmen, referring to the Cherokee: "Build a fire under them. When it gets hot enough, they'll move," and signed the Indian Removal Act in 1830, which was enacted in 1838, a forced relocation of frostbitten, hungry people shuffled at bayonet point across a thousand miles of frozen woods and prairie. Nothing less than a death march, this cost at least 4,000 lives and has been known as Trail of Tears ever since.


Under Scott's orders the troops were disposed at various points throughout the Cherokee country... Men were seized in their fields or going along the road, women were taken from their wheels and children from their play. In many cases, turning for one last look as they crossed the ridge, they saw their homes in flames, fired by the lawless rabble that followed on the heels of the soldiers to loot and pillage..."

A Georgia volunteer, afterward a Colonel in the Confederate Service, later recalled: "I fought the civil war and have seen men shot to pieces and slaughtered by thousands, but the Cherokee removal was the cruelest work I ever knew."

LEO XIII
Gioacchino Pecci, the "most progressive of modern" Popes, 1878 - 1903
Even after almost two thousand years of Christian persecution of other beliefs, centuries of Inquisition, and more than a hundred years after the Bill of Rights the Catholic Church was opposed to human rights and democracy. Angrily pope Leo XIII ruled that men by erecting their own political systems contrary to the tenets of Catholicism (see popes above) advocate such pernicious doctrines as that because
"all men are alike by race and nature, so in like manner all are equal in the control of their life; that each one is so far his own master that each is free to think (!) on every subject just as he may choose ... Government in a society based in such maxims is nothing more nor less than the will of the people," [Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]

which of course was not only absurd in the pope's eyes but wicked and wholly wrong, since

"the authority of God is passed over in silence, as if there could be a government whose whole origin and power did not reside in God Himself," [Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]

by which this pope probably meant his own authority. Therefore of course also

"the unrestrained freedom of thinking (!) and of openly making known one's thoughts is not inherent in the rights of the citizens" [Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]
(and hence it is)
"quite unlawful to demand, defend, or grant unconditional freedom of thought, speech, writing or worship as if these were so many rights given by nature to man." [Leo XIII, Sapientiæ Cristianæ, 1885]
"Similar to liberty of worship is that worst of liberties, never sufficiently execrated or abhorred, liberty of the Press,"

Need there be further comments on this faithful Christian?


COL. JOHN CHIVINGTON
Ex-Methodist Minister,Indian Fighter, 1864
At beginning daylight of November 29, 1864, Col. John Chivington, a former Methodist minister (and still an elder in the church), led about 700 heavily armed soldiers into an Arapaho and Cheyenne village named Sand Creek, Colorado. Several months earlier Chivington, who that year was also a candidate for Congress, had announced in a speech that his policy was to "kill and scalp all, little and big."

"Nits make lice," he was fond of saying, and of course, since Indians were lice, their children were nits. Clearly, Chivington was a man ahead of his time: it would be almost a century later before another man would think of describing the extermination of a people "the same thing as delousing": Heinrich Himmler.

The air was cold and crisp. The cavalrymen paused: the village was filled almost entirely with women and children, the men were away on a buffalo hunt and had left only about "thirty-five braves," mostly old men.

A few days before riding into the camp Chivington had been informed that the village could be taken with a small fraction of the troops at his command, not because the Cheyenne men were away on the hunt, but because the people had voluntarily disarmed themselves to demonstrate they were not hostile. Witnesses later reported that Chivington dismissed this news and replied "Well, I long to be wading in gore!"

Old chief Black Kettle tied a white flag to a lodge pole, and above that he tied an American flag that had been given to him by the Commissioner of Indian Affairs. He held the pole high and kept shouting to his people "not to be frightened, that the camp was under protection and there was no danger."

Then the troops opened fire on this mass of women and children, and all began to scatter and run. The massacre was on. As eyewitnesses later recalled:

"I should judge there were between 400 and 500 Indians killed ... Nearly all, men, women, children were scalped. I saw one woman whose private parts had been mutilated,"
(testified Robert Bent)

"I saw one squaw cut open with an unborn child, as I thought, lying by her side."
(Asbury Bird)

"Next morning after the battle (!) I saw a little boy covered up among the Indians in a trench, still alive. I saw a major in the 3rd regiment take out his pistol and blow off the top of his head."
(Corp. Amos Miksch)

"One Indian who had been scalped had also his skull smashed in, and I heard that the privates of White Antelope had been cut off to make a tobacco bag out of."
(Capt. L.Wilson).

Such were the days of the Glorious and Brave Christian Fighters against Indian Savagery. Some months later, the local paper, the Rocky Mountain News, wrote: "Cheyenne scalps are getting as thick here now as toads in Egypt. Everybody has got one and is anxious to get another to send east," probably to make other Christians happy.

In this context we must now mention another famous Christian:

THEODORE ROOSEVELT
President of the United States, 1901 - 1909
Even a wise statesman and revered President of the United States could not always escape his Christian heritage.
Dear reader, please look again at the eyewitness quotes above and then contemplate the words with which U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt later referred to the event. The Sand Creek Massacre, he said, was "as righteous and beneficial a deed as ever took place on the frontier."

Seen from a Christian perspective that is perfectly understandable. And he was right of course: This deed was in fact as righteous as many, many other deeds of this kind which took place on the frontier, but have long been forgotten since. So we are not surprised that Roosevelt also added his opinion, that the extermination of the American Indians and the seizure of their lands

"was as ultimately beneficial as it was inevitable. Such conquests are sure to come when a masterful people... finds itself face to face with the weaker and wholly alien race which holds a coveted price in its feeble grasp."

Indeed results like the mentioned events seem to be inevitable when Christian morals, unrestricted by the modern criminal laws, are let loose among a less unscrupulous population. And so we are even less surprised about the Christian inside the beloved American hero Roosevelt finally dropping the mask, saying: "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."

PIUS XI
Achille Ratti, Pope 1922 - 1939
(and a side remark on Protestantism)
Pius XI, in his own words a "man with no love for democracy," helped to bring Mussolini's Fascist Party to power in Italy and in 1926 solemnly declared: "Mussolini is a man sent by Divine Providence." In 1935 Fascist Italy attacked and invaded Abyssinia. Since the population of Italy lacked enthusiasm for this agression, the pope hastened to declare a new crusade. For example the Archbishop of Tarent, holding a Holy Mass on a submarine, declared: "The war against Abyssinia should be viewed as a Holy War, as a crusade," which also opened "Ethopia, the land of infidels and schismatics, to the Catholic Faith."

The pope's emissary in Germany, Papal Nuncio Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII, helped to demolish the young Weimar republic. After the liberal democratic Catholic leader Erzberger had been assassinated, the Pope's exertions became directed to the support of all Right-Wing movements in Germany, via the influence of the Catholic Centre Party. On march 23, 1933, the German Reichstag met, and the Catholic Party, led by its Catholic leaders, former chancellor Brüning and prelate Mgr. Kaas, personal friend of Pacelli, voted for Catholic Hitler. After this, having received, directly from the Vatican, orders to disband, the Catholic Party dissolved. Preached Pacelli to the German Catholics:

"...it is all the more necessary that the Catholics, deprived of diplomatic representation, should find in the diplomatic pacts between the Holy See and the National Socialist Government guarantees which can assure them ... the maintenance of their position in the life of the nation."

Mgr. Kaas, leader of the dissolved Catholic Party, put it even more bluntly: Catholics must support Hitler, he said. They should not have any fears about it. For Hitler's ideals were "noble ideals." Furthermore, "Hitler knows well how to guide the ship." In this way the first successful democracy on german soil had been destroyed.

(A side remark: lest anyone think that only Catholic Christians supported the demolition of German democracy, it should be mentioned here that the Protestants had founded their own organization aimed at the same goal, the "German Christians," who kept the crucifix on their banner, but now added the swastika. All ex-Jewish Christians were banned from the organization. Celebrating the fourth centennial of Reformation, the German Führer was compared with the German Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) and the German Luther.
A superintendent of the Protestant Church named Buchwald reminded his fellow Christians of all the evils the fatherland had had to endure in the time of the Weimar republic: no religious lessons in school, the growing alienation from God, the growth of un-German spirit, fatherland treason, licentiousness, and the declining birth rate. He continued:

"Behold, what a miracle came to pass: At this time of our fatherland's greatest need, in the last hour, there has come a leader, given to us by God: Adolf Hitler."
(Original: "Aber siehe, welch ein Wunder vollzog sich: da die Not am grössten, in dieser letzten Stunde, erstand uns ein Führer, von Gott gesandt: Adolf Hitler.")

But this was not enough for the pope. The Spanish people, stricken with poverty and a high rate of analphabets (about 80% of the population), had swept away monarchy, proclaimed a republic and elected a left-wing government in 1931. Separation of State and Church was made a reality, religious freedom was granted and civil marriage adopted. Some of the Church property - which was estimated at one third of the nation's wealth - was nationalized. To fight the "Antichrists," a violent, relentless Catholic opposition was promptly started on a large scale throughout Spain.

By 1934 Catholic organizations already planned a coup d'état, having been in touch with the Fascist Government of Italy. On July 17, 1934 the Spanish Army rose in many Spanish towns. The Spanish Civil War had begun. As soon as the revolt broke out, a General Franco made haste to let the pope know that his coup had succeeded. The papal banner was unfurled over the rebel headquarters at Burgos, and the pope had Franco's flag raised over the Vatican.
This was the beginning of a world-wide Catholic offensive against Republican Spain. Bishops in Italy, Germany and other countries published pastoral letters urging Catholics to help. The pope spoke. The Spanish Civil War, he said, was a foretaste of what

"is being prepared for Europe and the World unless the nations take appropriate measures against it."
[Pope Pius XI, 12/25/1936]

Mussolini sent thousands of troops, Hitler sent warplanes, warships, tanks, and soldiers. The Spanish people fought a bitter, relentless fight from 1936 until 1939. Before the demolition of yet another young democracy in Europe was complete, Pius XI died.

PIUS XII
Eugenio Pacelli, Pope 1939 - 1958
"His Holiness, Pius XII, the best anti-democrat in the world," as he was in 1950 (!) proudly titled by Ecclesia, official organ of the Spanish Catholic Action in an attempt to pay him the greatest tribute a Catholic paper could pay, earlier in his career, as we have seen, had helped Hitler to come to power in Germany. His policy as a pope was faithful to his predecessor. When the Spanish republic was finally defeated by Catholic troops under Franco, would-be dictator of Spain, the pope sent a special message to the victors:

"With great joy we address you, dearest sons of Catholic Spain, to express our paternal congratulations for the gift of peace and victory with which God has chosen to crown the Christian heroism of your faith ... We give you, our dear sons of Catholic Spain, our apostolic benediction." [4/17/1939]

Church property and all medieval (!) privileges of the Church were restored. No other religion was allowed. Protestants and ex-Catholics were sent to concentration camps for refusing to attend divine service. Freethinkers, democrats, Socialists and Communists were deprived of civil rights, imprisoned, or shot. In the foreign field, Catholic Spain promptly supported Hitler and Mussolini, the former receiving a letter from Spanish dictator Franco on February 26, 1941:

"We stand today where we have always stood, in a resolute manner and with the firmest conviction, [therefore] you must have no doubts about my absolute loyalty to this political concept and to the realization of the union of our national destinies with those of Germany and Italy."

Under Pius XII the Catholic bishops of Germany remained loyal to Hitler almost until the end of World War II (the so called "Kirchenkampf" - the Church resistance against Nazi policy - had never been worried about anything else than Catholic interests, not a single bishop was ever arrested by the Nazis, not even threatened).

While Italy and Germany were busy engineering their terroristic activities, the Vatican came to the fore with a Catholic fifth column by supporting a Croat underground separatist movement in Yugoslavia, an illegal Nationalist Army composed of bands of Catholic terrorists, called the Ustashi (rebels). These groups were led by the former lawyer Ante Paveliç, a fanatic Catholic, and by Archbishop A.Stepinac, leader of the Catholic hierarchy in Croatia. When Yugoslavia, stubbornly neutral in World War II, was attacked by the German Army in 1941, Paveliç knew his dreams were about to come true. On April 10, 1941 he proclaimed the independent state of Croatia, receiving congratulations from Archbishop Stepinac. From then on the new State set out to transform itself into an ideal Catholic State, as advocated by the Church.
The swiftest means to enact such a scheme: mass removal, forced conversion, or simply extermination of (mostly Orthodox Christian) Serbians, roughly one-third of the population. In a matter af weeks atrocities of a kind comparable only to those in Nazi concentration camps took place. Tens of thousands of Serbians were transported in trucks out of their villages, to be shot or worked to death in Ustashi concentration camps, which had quickly been erected in places such as Jasenovac, Stara Gradiska, and Gospic. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars, one, a certain Fr. Miroslav Filipoviç, even was commandant of the concentration camp at Jasenovac and became responsible for the death of about 40,000 men, women and children. All over the country forced mass conversions took place, sometimes the "rechristenings," as they were called, were celebrated not only with water but with blood. Priest Ivan Raguz for example publicly urged the killing of all Serbs, including children, "so that even the seed of these beasts is not left."

Pius XII of course knew what was happening in Croatia, not only thanks to the hierarchical administration of the Catholic Church, which kept him extremely well informed, but also because of additional sources. Devout Ante Paveliç sent him regular reports about the Catholization of the New Croatia, while Archbishop Stepinac provided the latest figures of the forcible conversions.













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Hey Wahya, looks like you're going through your files - cool!

"Ye shall know them by their fruits"

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President of the United States, 1828 - 1837

After suffering a calamitous measure of ruination since the time of their earliest encounter with Europeans, the Native American Cherokee population continued to decline steadily as the years unfolded, a consequence of endless displacement, warfare, and seizures of land. The British turned their murderous attention to the quest for Indian liquidation; the result for the Cherokee was that "their towns is all burned, their Corn cut down and Themselves drove into the Woods to perish," as one contemporary wrote.

From the precipice of non-existence, the Cherokee slowly struggled back. Then, in 1828 Andrew Jackson, whose life had been saved in 1814 by a Cherokee, was elected President. The same Andrew Jackson ("The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests") who once had written that "the whole Cherokee Nation ought to be scurged." The same Andrew Jackson who had led troops against peaceful Indian encampments, calling the Indians "savage dogs," and boasting that "I have on all occasions preserved the scalps of my killed." The same Andrew Jackson who - after his presidency was over - still was recommending that American troops specifically seek out and systematically kill Indian women and children who were in hiding: to do otherwise, he wrote, was equivalent to pursuing "a wolf in the hamocks without knowing first where her den and whelps were."

Almost immediately upon Jackson's ascension to the Presidency, the state of Georgia claimed for itself enormous chunks of Cherokee property, employing a fraudulent technique that Jackson himself had once used to justify dispossession.

Still, the Cherokee resisted. And by peaceful means. The Cherokee people, who were living in towns, had their own parliament, and a majority of whom were literate by 1825, won their case before the U.S. Supreme Court, with a ruling written by Justice John Marshall, a ruling that led to Jackson's famous remark: "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it."

Jackson spoke to his Congressmen, referring to the Cherokee: "Build a fire under them. When it gets hot enough, they'll move," and signed the Indian Removal Act in 1830, which was enacted in 1838, a forced relocation of frostbitten, hungry people shuffled at bayonet point across a thousand miles of frozen woods and prairie. Nothing less than a death march, this cost at least 4,000 lives and has been known as Trail of Tears ever since.

Under Scott's orders the troops were disposed at various points throughout the Cherokee country... Men were seized in their fields or going along the road, women were taken from their wheels and children from their play. In many cases, turning for one last look as they crossed the ridge, they saw their homes in flames, fired by the lawless rabble that followed on the heels of the soldiers to loot and pillage..."

A Georgia volunteer, afterward a Colonel in the Confederate Service, later recalled: "I fought the civil war and have seen men shot to pieces and slaughtered by thousands, but the Cherokee removal was the cruelest work I ever knew."


What happened to the Cherokee, and so many other tribes in the Americas and in Africa is still going on in the Middle East today. Israel cuts down the Palestinians crops, fruit trees and olive groves, bulldozes their homes and steals their lands.

The recent invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan are also part of this global empires conquering and slaughtering ways.

They are pathetic beings.

Non of them deserve to share this lil blue marble with us.




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~ Matthew 7:16

"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, or who said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."
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Yeah I have quite a few discs around with info I've saved over the years.

I was going to post them on GLP until I realized it was only a flame war site and very few people there are interested in real information.

I had a few other discs on this subject, but cant find them yet.



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What happened to the Cherokee, and so many other tribes in the Americas and in Africa is still going on in the Middle East today. Israel cuts down the Palestinians crops, fruit trees and olive groves, bulldozes their homes and steals their lands.



You probably wouldnt be surprised to find out there are a number of native americans out there who sympathize strongly with the palestinians for this very reason.



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VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
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Ancient Pagans -

As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]


Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
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Crusades (1095-1291)

First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]
Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
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Heretics and Atheists:

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other follwers were also executed. [KM]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.

Witches -

From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.
In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged. [WV]
Incomplete list of documented cases:

The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times http://www.malaspina.com/burning/burnwitc.htm
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Religious Wars

15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops, "a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broad-brimmed Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]
1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
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Jews -

Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]
1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43]

(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.
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Native Peoples -

Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.
Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued:
"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]
Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]
On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and Spanish raids.
As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." [SH83]
The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]
"And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).
"When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95]
Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of America.


Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]
In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War." The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.
When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]
So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20)
Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents". [SH114]
Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119]
The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'." [SH115]
Other tribes were to follow the same path.
Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!" [TA]
Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'." [SH106]
In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107]
In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'." [SH115]
To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.
All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.
A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.
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More Glorious Events in U.S. History -

Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]

Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
More gory details.

By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]
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20th Century Church Atrocities -

Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]

Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life.


Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two Catholic priests - with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Würzburg - additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of them fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was notorious for it's extensive witch burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]

Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:
"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]

More recently the BBC aired:

Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
BBC NEWS April 19, 1998

A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994...


As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end.

If today Christians talk to me about morality, this is why they make me sick.
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References
[DA]
K.Deschner, Abermals krähte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962.
[DO]
K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987.
[EC]
P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985.
[EJ]
S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977.
[HA]
Hunter, M., Wootton, D., Atheism from the Reformation to the Enlightenment, Oxford 1992.
[KM]
Schröder-Kappus, E., Wagner, W., Michael Sattler. Ein Märtyrer in Rottenburg, Tübingen, TVT Media 1992.
[LI]
H.C.Lea, The Inquisition of the Middle Ages, New York 1961.
[MM]
M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People.
[MV]
A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo NY, 1992.
[NC]
J.T.Noonan, Contraception: A History of its Treatment by the Catholic Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992.
[S2]
Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00.
[SH]
D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.
[SP]
German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996.
[TA]
A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have Hapned in the Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England, London 1676.
[TG]
F.Turner, Beyond Geography, New York 1980.
[WW]
H.Wollschläger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zürich 1973.
(This is in german and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is the best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of original medieval Christian chroniclers' writings).
[WV]
Estimates on the number of executed witches:

N.Cohn, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch Hunt, Frogmore 1976, 253.
R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New York 1959, 180.
J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954, 56.


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Dang it Wahya, I need a tissue now.

This is so so sad. sadsmiley.gif

I have read about some of the crusades and some other slaughters, but what you posted is just heart wrenching. I couldn't even read it all.

To me, one of the best parts of Christianity was the very beginning of the KJV bible called Christian Character building - some good words can be found there.

But for these inhuman beings to use God or Jesus's name to slaughter is just insanity and something I want no part of. If God wanted them dead, why didn't he/she do it himself?







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There can be no denying the bloody trail of death left in human history by christianity.

Some try to point out the words of the bible which stress compassion, honesty, and charity, but to me its like saying if a mass murderer buys a homeless person a meal, it makes it all better.


No it doesnt.

The next time someone mentions that Israel and and the jewish lobby deserves to be protected because of what they suffered during WW2, mention this -

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A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.


- and ask why then, dont the native people deserve the same?

After all, compare the numbers of the holocaust of WW2 - even the popularly accepted numbers of the dead - to the number of native peoples slaughtered in the 5 centuries of our holocaust.


Genocide is still genocide regardless of who is being mass murdered.

To jews, its a holocaust, but to the native peoples, its only 'manifest destiny'.

And murder is wrong regardless of who is dying.


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. If you have only one choice the positive one - you have no choice at all. You are a slave of only one choice. No true relationship, based on love and reciprocity, can be built from such an imposed choice.


Hi, Thessa! Please don't misunderstand what I am about to write of the above.

Most of us want the positive life...joy and peace that comes with love, along with the prosperity they would bring. Without the negative elements extant in those whose lives are spent on lieing, robbing, killing, and destroying, we would have this.

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If you have only one choice the positive one - you have no choice at all.


It is only because of the negative elements that exist that we are FORCED to make a choice between good and evil. Either choice is a force to be reckoned with.

There was a song during WWII that said: You gotta accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative...don't mess with Mr. Inbetween.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings to have the negative out of the way so that I could be a slave to the positive. I would like that very much. As it is, my nature is in rebellion against wickedness in any form, causing me to constantly evaluate my own actions, a wearisome project because consequences follow, either for good or adversity. Evil comes to all, and it certainly tests our strength to overcome it.

How much better our strength could be put to use for the good if only the good existed!

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You know what I continually wonder about when it comes to religions? Why would any rational, clear-thinking woman ever want to be a part of such a sham?

Especially the Roman Catholic Church which for centuries has dominated women, and relegated the woman to near nothing except that of a servant to these sleezy males who most would rather have relations with males than females.

And here is something worth noting. Do you know who really keeps the Jewish religion going? It's the woman not the men. What does that say to you?


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Lol! Once again I realize that I can’t post this kind of stuff... lol! It’s all my fault, again... I should know better, but it looked like so 3d in its reasoning that I dare to post it.... gezzzzz I’m really by myself lol! shock.gif

Dear BJ1, this concept of negative/positive is what I posted about on that other thread about the negative state. It’s a multi-universal concept not just what we usually use here on Earth.

Chuck, please try to read the words for what they say not what you think it says in a hasty reading. Most people when they see some words they automatically trigger their preconceived meanings and assume what is written instead of reading what really is written.

I was not supporting religions on the contrary. I was trying to offer some justifications for what has been happening for millennia so we can understand the reasons and not just showing examples of the terrible things that have been made to humankind in the name of religion and ultimately in the name of God.

I thought that what I posted could point some reasons why all religions and especially Christian religions make a disservice to all mankind and ultimately betray The Lord Jesus Christ (God) Himself/Herself.

What good does it serve just to show the cases, the names, the events and not want to know what is behind it? This seems to be vicious cycle. Every one of us can give millions of examples of the wrong doings of churches, religions, cults and so on so why don’t we try to make a step further and really understand what really does it means?

Hint: we really need to think big and transcend the idea that all that exists exists only on this planet and even if anything exists “out there” has nothing to do with Earth because it has everything to do with Earth.


For what it’s worth I’m not a religious person and I don’t have a religion of any kind. Now let this sink in your mind and remember it every time you see any post of mine.

I better try to go looking for some ufos now... sorry for the interruption...

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I think that it would better serve a purpose to include not only the Catholic hierarchy in the "Hall of Shame", but make it all-incluseve! This website couldn't hold it all.

Throughout the history of man, we have found war with its attendant pillaging, rape, torture, killing, and other signs of madness.

Bloody Mary nearly tore England apart with her Crusade against Catholics. All manner of torture was devised for the hapless victims who wouldn't renounce their faith for the Church of England!

We can take the stories to China, Communist countries, Japan, Africa, Spain, , France, Germany, Israel, Moslem countries, etc. The US is not exempt. There are stories of such atrocities that will make you weep as much as you do over the original post. Then we have the tortures and killings that were visited on nearly 18 MILLION souls during WWII, which has to be the biggest carnage in the history of man.

And it didn't stop there. The madness continues to this day. This stuff was going on long before Christianity came into being. Some: being drawn and quartered, burning/gouging out the eyes, the "death of a thousand cuts", pregnant women split open, tongues cut out, brutal rape of both men and women, tied to stakes over red-ant beds, buried in the sand up to one's neck, limbs cut off, suffocated, poisoned, skinned alive, buried alive, burned alive, cut the genitals, scalped, drowned, babies thrown against brick walls, and more, as much as man's imagination will allow.

These are the deeds of ALL madmen who have no religion at all.

P.S. Chuck, the Catholic Church would LIKED to have dominated women, but through the years, they didn't get any further than requiring a head covering in chruch. Or else we would have been nothing more than baby factories and staying married forever to tyrannts. Discount times past when even Protestant women had to be under male dominance for economic reasons.


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Posted: Oct 17 2004, 11:34 AM
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Then we have the tortures and killings that were visited on nearly 18 MILLION souls during WWII, which has to be the biggest carnage in the history of man.



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A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.



The Nazis are rightfully widely regarded as monsters today. Stalin IMO was just as bad as Hitler, but the Reich gets all the press.

Churchill made a statement to the point at the the native peoples were conquered by a "superior race" and it was only right what happened in the americas.

Sounds exactly like something Hitler would say, but Churchill is regarded as a heroic figure.

Hitler claimed he got the inspiration for the Final Solution from the genocide of the native americans. He was a fan of western movies and books about cowboys.

Are there good, compassionate christians? Sure, but in my experience they are a minority. The blame for most of the atrocities on the original post should be placed mostly on christian leaders though, as they are the ones who manipulated the inherent christian bigotry into outright slaughter on a massive scale.

There is no doubt in my mind that if given a chance, modern christian leaders like Jack Chick, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell would gleefully go back to spreading the gospel at the point of a sword.

And in a way, they are. The missionaries have wasted no time sending their agents into Iraq now that those 'horrible heathen moslems' have been bombed and pummeled by the military.

The problem originates in the bible itself, which is a large volume full of references that glorify violence and genocide in the name of 'god'. The inspirations for all of the bloodshed in my original post can ALL be backed up and validated by quoting the bible.

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... Sure, but in my experience they (good Chrisitians) are a minority. The blame for most of the atrocities on the original post should be placed mostly on christian leaders though, as they are the ones who manipulated the inherent christian bigotry into outright slaughter on a massive scale.


"they (good Chrisitians) are a minority." Wahya, I don't believe that the majority of Christians are any more bloodthirsty than you are. They want the same things you do, if what you want is peace and joy, with a measure of prosperity, and to raise their families with confidence that the next generation will be better. You are using a broad brush when you include all Christians. Neither you nor your ancestors are guiltless.

Considering that most countries were "Catholicized" at the point of a spear by Charlamagne, you are probably right in part, but the atrocities didn't begin and end with them. There are still countries which do not ascribe to the Catholic/Protestant faith. Bigotry IS NOT inherent in the Christian faith as it was not so from the beginning. Bigotry is the result of divide and conquer, which is what we've been seeing for centuries. Just like now.

It is my hope that this forum will not become a battle ground where some of us must constantly defend ourselves as though we were to be thought of as silly, murderous, traitorous, and downright stupid for keeping what we believe to be true. Maybe PuPP could pin a thread for "Christian Bashing" where I wouldn't stumble into a thread that will generate such bigoted responses. They will not solve our current dilemma, which is with the RULERS of this world. To dredge up painful histories, in which we had no part, serves no good purpose.

It is disturbing that so many American Indians were essentially murdered. I didn't know that.

Flame away. I will post no more on this subject. If I don't read more of this thread, then I can't get mad. Ta da! smile.gif

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