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> Preperations for an emergency., It's not too late but time is short.


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Posted: Jul 28 2004, 04:48 PM
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Posted: Aug 10 2004, 10:34 AM
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This came up on GLP,
survival shelters for the rich ?......

http://www.radiusdefense.com/choosing.php

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Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Forest Fires SP6
Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Forest Fires
Limited Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Warfare
3 - 5 miles from ground zero, 1MT SP6-NBC
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Biological, Chemical Warfare, Fallout and Blast
Protection 1.4 miles from ground zero 1 MT P6
Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Forest Fires
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Protection 0.85 miles from ground zero 1 MT P10
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Posted: Oct 1 2004, 10:24 AM
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There are a lot of ppeople that think they are prepared for any disaster,but in reality we are not as prepared as we should. I dont't think a lot of people even think about it until it's too late. I live in the mid-west. I have mainly tornadoes to worry about with the exception of a chemical depot that has the lovely VX gas stored in it. other than that I just let my fate rest with GOD. They always say when it's your time you will not escape.


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  Posted: Oct 2 2004, 08:28 AM
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What a great thread thanks..will check out all the links in greater detail when I have more time.

One thing I have been doing for twelve months or more is all info that I think may be needed in a time of strife..is printed off and put into my survival folder...so if the net ever goes down or the computer just won't work...I have all the info I need in a paper file....printed double copies of everything and gave one to my cousin for her birthday...she thought it was wonderful..plus she doesn't have a computer to access the info..

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Posted: Oct 2 2004, 09:01 AM
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Hi BB
As I mentioned earlier,
copying to paper in multiple backup advantage,
is a smart idea,
as computers go down and much info is lost.
The best backup however is
study and memory of essentials in emergency survival.
Then actual applied practice ...
remember those EQ drills in grade school,
or bombing drills in TV documentaries of WW2 ?

One thing to keep in perspective during
Earthquakes,

is where you run for protection.
Makani Kea posted a great thread on this
and the rule was called
something like the "triangular" system
It clearly stated that under doorways , arches, tables etc
were the worst places ,
but lieing next to an object that had some structural integrity ,
seemed to create a "triangular space" of survivable inundation by burial.
This has been evidenced in many EQ survivors being dug up.
I have large heavy strong furniture here, and if lieing next to one on the floor ,
one cansee how collapse of roof and second story would still not "crush" the furniture,
but actually the large pieces of furniture would provide support feature to collapsing structure., leaving periimeter floor space of narrow survivability.
Iwill search for the documents on the net since GLP archives are history.
Or if Makani is here, maybe she has the info.

One other aspect of emergency planning obviously is weaponry.
But weaponry is only good if you have the guts to pull the trigger.
Psychological preparation
for possible use of weapons in defense/offense
is something to consider.
The opponent that wishes to steal from or murder you,
has intent,
one must be prepared to recognize dangerous individuals,
or even the slick talkers,
they strike quick at the turned back,
So lay down personal protection rules of engagement,
and give fair warning if necessary or possible.
The "invading opponent" sometimes has the "smiling face"
beware , and wear armaments.
Gun safety's are bullshit,
lock and load,
pull the trigger.
Prepare psychologically for possible combat or defense scenarios.
But use prudence and common sense.
But also be prepared to

HAVE AN ATTITUDE.

When you display distinct threat and power and Intent to Defend with extreme prejudice,
invaders think twice and go on to easier pickings.
KNOW your neighbors.Good and Bad.
There was one neighbor here,
that I may have had to shoot immediately.
And then bury his fuckhead ass down in the gully.
Or cremate the clown.
ATTITUDE.
Now who wants to mess with me ?
See what I mean ?
But I forced the clown out of the neighborhood anyways thru legal pressures.
I would be the first he would shoot as well.
Think about that.
Roving gangs of looters and marauders
are real,
look at the Florida hurricanes or
periods of social unrest in cities.
Organize with
TRUSTED neighbors
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  Posted: Oct 5 2004, 02:52 AM
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Iwill search for the documents on the net since GLP archives are history.

Hi All, lil ol ME here.
Glp, please clarify, I was unaware that we were that good,
Las tome i looked i had 133MB, of info in the survival folder & 123MB in the solar folder
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I already loved the wayback machine... now I also love the “Cached” from Google”. Lots of GLP threads can be accessed using the “Cached” feature instead of the ususal link.

Thanks Vianova, I never read it before.

I guess this is what you were talking about, well not exactly the original thread of Makani but the “Triangle of Life”

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Makani Kea´s thread- Triangle of Life
this is for earthquakes, but if something is falling on you, like the roof...use it!EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP´S ARTICLE ON THE "TRIANGLE OF LIFE", Edited by Larry Linn for MAA Safety Committee brief on 4/13/04.

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of The American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world´s most experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a member of many rescue teams from many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation(UNX051 -UNIENET) for two years. I haveworked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous disasters.

In 1996 we made a film which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul, University of Istanbul, Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under their desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn´t at the time know that the children were told to hide under something.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life". The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building. They are everywhere.

I trained the Fire Department of Trujillo (population 750,000) in how to survive, take care of their families, and to rescue others in earthquakes.

The chief of rescue in the Trujillo Fire Department is a professor at Trujillo University. He accompanied me everywhere. He gave personal testimony: "My name is Roberto Rosales. I am Chief of Rescue in
Trujillo. When I was 11 years old, I was trapped inside of a collapsed building.

My entrapment occurred during the earthquake of 1972 that killed 70,000 people. I survived in the "triangle of life" that existed next to my brother´s motorcycle. My friends who got under the bed and under desks were crushed to death [he gives more details, names, addresses etc.]... I am the living example of the "triangle of life". My dead friends are the example of "duck and cover".

TIPS DOUG COPP PROVIDES:

1) Everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE is crushed to death -- Every time, without exception. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are always crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies all naturally often curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/ survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa,next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. The reason is simple: the wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse,large survival voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight.

Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on the back of the door of every room, telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens while you are watching television and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.

6) Everybody who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed.

How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads. They are horribly mutilated. Even if the building doesn´t collapse, stay away from
the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged.

Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by screaming, fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.

8) Get near the outer walls of buildings or outside of them if possible. It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked.

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles, says the author.

Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper.

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Hi All, lil ol' Me agin
Here a a few web addresses on survivalism .
If this is to big i'll understand SOB.
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www.engnath.com\public\intable.htm
http://www.cgcweb.com/knife-links.htm
http://ajh-knives.com/material.html
http://www.himalayan-imports.com/faq/
http://www.thearma.org/essays.htm
http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Sword...SwordMaking.htm
http://www.customknifedirectory.com/CKD_Tu...rials.htm~tmain
http://www.rmsg.us/fire/blades.htm
http://www.jnanam.net/shastra/
http://outdoors-magazine.com/s_article.php?id_article=81
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http://www.backwoodshome.com/article_index.html
http://www.nativetech.org/clothing/index.html
http://www.rmsg.us/articles.htm
http://www.rmsg.us/toc.htm
http://www.equipped.com/cooperkit.htm
http://www.panix.com/~paleodiet/list/#pemmican
http://w4.lns.cornell.edu/~SEB/pemmican.html
http://www.greatdreams.com/survival.htm
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdlittl/aussiefirebow.html
http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~madms/fires.html
http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/of...ia%2Findex.html
http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/of...%2Fesoteric.htm
http://theepicenter.com/military_surplus.html
http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/index.html
http://waltonfeed.com/old/index.html
http://waltonfeed.com/
http://www.disastershelters.net/index.html
http://www.icomm.ca/survival/245fil.don/-0245fil.htm
http://www.aussurvivalist.com/
http://www.metaxearch.com/en/odp_29178/Soc...es/Survivalism/
http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/survival-li...vival-food.html
http://www.equipped.com/tarp-shelters.htm
http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/survival-li...vival-food.html
http://w4.lns.cornell.edu/~SEB/pemmican.html
http://www.icomm.ca/survival/index2001.htm
http://www.cgcweb.com/chuklink.htm
http://www.disastershelters.net/index.html
http://www.solarcooking.org/docs.htm#technical
http://www.truefoodnow.org/sitemap.html
http://www.backwoodshome.com/article_index.html
http://users.easystreet.com/ersson/index.htm
http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html
http://www.epa.gov/owow/wetlands/watersheds/cwetlands.html
http://www.baproducts.com/rainwatr.htm
http://www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.html
http://www.theepicenter.com/index.html
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/m/mbennett/index.html
http://www.aussurvivalist.com/default.htm
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$departme...89?opendocument
http://www.basegear.com/fm2176.html
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Wow!

Finally the info I've been looking for...thanks so much everyone!!

I would add a couple of items to have for in-home use...I learned the hard way during the blackout 2003...

1. Wet-wipes...those little things come in so handy when water is in short supply. I keep at least half a dozen containers in my supplies. They provide an easy way to "wash" your hands, etc...without using water...especially when water supplies are tight. Containers of these can be purchased at the dollar store.

2. The kitchen clean-up versions of the wet-wipes...these can be used to clean up spills and other little messes without having to use water and towels. If there's no power to run laundry facilities, one can quickly soil cloth towels beyond usage. These can also be purchased at the dollar store.

I sure hope people will keep posting ideas on this thread!

In the event of an emergency, I would most likely have to shelter-in-place because I take care of elderly family members who have very limited mobility.... so I really appreciate ideas about what types of supplies to stock for folks like me (in my situation).

PLEASE keep them coming for me...

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  Posted: Oct 6 2004, 01:52 AM
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Hi All.
As long as some-one gets something from the posted webb Addresses Makes the ime taken worth it, Ps. All those sites worked last time i looked. A couple of months ago.
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First time I've read through this thread. What an assortment of information (hopefully, useless). Excellent! I believe everyone should read this and at least let the information provided fuel some mind games for them. We can never know which, if any, of the survival suggestions offered might be needed so should read them all and at least provide ourselves with those most likely to be needed (earthquake, massive riot, unusually severe storm, etc.), but not discount the horrendous (nuclear attack, hostile take over, etc.). Around Y2K, I think more people were thinking in terms of long term survival in a hostile environment than they are today. I don't think we can afford to dismiss this information as useless even though we can hope it is. Between living in the remoteness of the mountains and living in the city, the selections I've had to make are quite different. In the mountains my rifles were my main line of defense, while in the city it's a shotgun. Never worried about earthquakes in the mountains, but here on the west coast it is a concern. I'm too old and stove up to get into the rifleman series of posts, but as a young guy I would have been into it totally. The needed supplies are just as important regardless of the emergency. In the mountains we kept a modest (about two weeks worth) of rations, and now in earthquake country we keep just under that (should be more).

Something I might add to the 'when all “h-e double ell” breaks loose' part, is barter. Some of my work mates think gold is the way to go because paper money won't be worth anything. I think ammo will be worth much more than gold. Good clean freshly manufactured ammo will keep for many decades if kept cool and dry. I've heard that the best way to pack that away for decades is to put it in into a PVC sewer pipe, toss in some tea bags to keep it dry, seal it on both ends with caps and bury it. Of course you'd need some means of sawing open the container if needed, but a sharp saw is mentioned as an essential part of the survival pack.

Noticed one way back item that my personal experience shows to not be entirely accurate. Shooting .38's from a .357 mag handgun shouldn't cause any damage to the firearm. Not that I recommend doing it exclusively, but after a good cleaning the .357 should be fine. Trivial detail. I used to use a Model 66 (K frame S&W) .357 regularly for target practice with .38's, then switched to .357 loads for the field. Thousands of rounds and never a problem.

Might suggest that if you live in a state like California, where only the criminals are not detoured from buying guns on short notice, that you get one right now. If another wild riot hits and you need a firearm to protect yourself and your loved ones, and you don't have one, you will never get one in time to make a difference. The waiting period before you may take possession of a purchased firearm doesn't take a holiday. Unfortunately, I have to mention that if you do get one you'd best learn how to use it and keep it in a place where it can be secured against theft and curious little ones. They are the last line of defense though, so even if you have the rations to wait out a really major crisis, there is a great chance that you'll need to defend those rations and your family.


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GUIDELINES FOR EARTHQUAKE RESISTANT NON ENGINEERED CONSTRUCTION
http://www.nicee.org/Manuals/iaee/iaee_manual.htm
This Earthquake site is Indian, but there is a ton of general information in it
Hoss the info Junkie. I was looking at the time for infomation on Earthquake proofing buildings. And thia was the best i could find on construcuon??

The non-engineered buildings considered in this book are those which are spontaneously and informally constructed in various countries in the traditional manner without any or little intervention by qualified architects and engineers in their design. Such buildings involve field stone, fire brick, concrete blocks, adobe or rammed earth, wood or a combination of these traditional locally available materials in their construction. Cement and lime are sometimes used for the mortars. Reinforced concrete lintels and floor and roof slabs and beams are also being increasingly used. In some cases, use of reinforced concrete columns and beams is also made particularly for shopping centres and school buildings but here also a post-beam type simple concept is frequently adopted in a non-engineered manner without consideration of the stability of the system under horizontal seismic forces. This book aims at explaining the lessons learned from the seismic performance of such buildings during past earthquakes and the basic concepts involved in their aseismic design and construction, restoration and strengthening, and laying down guidelines for their safe planning and construction.
The safety of the non-engineered buildings from the fury of earthquakes is a subject of highest priority in view of the fact that in the moderate to severe seismic zones of the world more than 90 percent of the population is still living and working in such buildings, and that most losses of lives during earthquakes have occurred due to their collapse. The risk to life is further increasing due to rising population particularly in the developing countries, poverty of the people, scarcity of modern building materials, viz. cement and steel, lack of awareness and necessary skills. In view of these factors, the Committee felt that:
(a) revolutionary change in the construction pattern may not be feasible hence not practical;
(b) the use of local materials will continue to be made with only minimum amount of cement and steel where found absolutely necessary, and
© very simple modification in the traditional building systems need to be recommended which could be easily understood and adopted by 'the local artisans.
With the aim of immediate application of the recommendations, the Committee found it beneficial to include illustrative sketches for a variety of applications and even make, numerical recommendations which could be readily adopted in practice. Based on the principles enunciated and the guidelines given, the local engineers and architects should be able to work out suitable alternative details for the constructions in their seismic regions and localities. Such further work could also be taken up by the National Societies of earthquake engineering of the various countries.
The Committee was concerned about the lack of awareness regarding the availability of such simple solutions as contained in this book and their effectiveness in achieving Seismic safety as a preventive measure at minimum cost among the government authorities, policy makers, architects, engineers and builders as well as the common people. Such an awareness needs to be created through the mass media . to start with and then, in a more effective manner, through posters and pamphlets, workshops, training programs, exhibitions, experimental model constructions and the like. To find better and easier acceptance, such measures should be made an integral component of the development plans of the various countries so that these get incorporated in all future buildings to be constructed in the public as well as the private sectors.
The material included in the book should be found useful to people at various levels concerned with earthquake disaster mitigation through the construction of safe housing for and by the masses. For making this information more easily available to the people, the local governments, societies and institutions are encouraged to prepare its translations in the national and local languages. For this purpose no royalty is to be paid and only due acknowledgement is to be given to this book and the International Association for Earthquake Engineering.
The "Basic Concepts of Seismic Codes, Vol.1, Part It, Non- Engineered Construction" was first published by IAEE in 1980. The present volume is a revised and amplified version of the same
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Posted: Oct 19 2004, 09:18 PM
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Ran across an article worth reading in the past week or so where the writer was suggesting that regardless of who wins the election, we should be concerned about our ammo. The writer went on to say that the pressures on our elected officials to curb firearms would result in some horrendous tax on ammunition. Don't have a clue as to how accurate that journalist might be, but I will opine that having a good stash is always a good thing. In the crazy state where I live, if you're found with anything over a couple of hundred rounds that seems to make you a defacto terrorist, so you might want to keep that in mind if you are stocking up.


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Posted: Oct 20 2004, 11:51 PM
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Hey Hoss
thanks for the input of links.
BUMP this thread !

Interesting about ammo as well.
Buried storage...
The PVC pipe sealed at both ends with ...what ?

water and moisture is a real penetrator,
but I remember in the 70s , funny money being buried in PVC sealed pipes.
One probably has to use an epoxy sealant,
or better yet some kind of Vacu-bag sealed ammo , then into the PVC pipes.

Oh yes,
do not forget the
condoms and astroglide
stockpile
as well.



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