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  Posted: May 25 2005, 05:09 AM
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Sudden climate Change

http://www.awitness.org/journal/adapt_climate_change.html

There are signs that the monsoon season is beginning in the southern region of the Sahara desert. Since the late 90s rainfall has been increasing in this region, periodically breaking previous records, and last year, new records were set once again, and the result was a disaster, when these strengthening monsoons pushed the hot summer air of a Saharan summer into Europe, resulting terrible forest fires and tens of thousands of deaths. A second near disaster took place in September as raging rivers in the region came within one inch of bursting their banks and flooding took place in scattered areas. This potential flooding from the increasing rains threatened millions of subsistence farmers with crop loss and famine, since many crops tend to be concentrated in areas bordering the river banks.
In recent years, as climate change and global warming have become big issues, I have been reading optimistic propaganda that paints a rosy scenario of a future of climate change (and I wrote a parody in response -> Global Warming is good for you (unless you are an American) .
http://www.awitness.org/journal/good_global_warming.html
Some of the themes of these pieces include optimistic predictions of improved agriculture due to a longer growing season. As for the problems that will occur we are told that humans are adaptable and using our technological prowess we will certainly be able to adapt to changing conditions.

This year provides the modern social order with its first opportunity to demonstrate not only its technological prowess, but also its remarkable adaptability. In the near future, perhaps this year, perhaps next, the Sahara region will continue to repeat the pattern that has been building for almost a decade now, and the rains will once again break all records. (See the page Africa's desert's are in retreat - according to New Scientist magazine.)
Given how close the world came to a famine catastrophe from those, record breaking rains last fall, the next time that desert region breaks all records for rainfall. The rise of the rivers will exceed that last inch and burst their banks and millions of subsistence farmers, who live from hand to mouth, from crop to crop, will be plunged into famine. Here we can see that those who benefit the least from the sources of climate change bear the brunt of the consequences, and thus. We can see that there is collective responsibility, which is shared by those who have benefited the most from the developments in the modern world, which have created the conditions leading to global climate change.

The coming crisis is not a disaster for which there was no warning. Rather it is only a matter of time and the anticipated climate disaster will take place. As the established pattern indicates that the desert will continue to recede as the rains continue to increase and break previous records, and last fall was the wake up call which gave indication of the scale of the disaster that is to come. It takes many months to respond to a famine disaster. Last year the flooding took place in September, and fortunately in the fall the monsoon begins to subside finally coming to an end in October. As the rains continue to increase, it seems likely that flooding will begin earlier, perhaps in August. And as the monsoons continue into the fall, the predicted catastrophic flooding caused by this changing climate will take place as the rains will not cease in time to prevent the disaster from occurring. Now we have been told that humans will ‘adapt to climate change' and given how we can see ahead of time a crisis caused by changing climate which is predictable, this is a good opportunity to demonstrate some of that adaptability. It will also be interesting to see how adaptable the Europeans societies prove to be, given that these strong monsoons could send searing heart north into Europe again at some point in the future, and one must wonder how many times that might have to happen before Europe adapts. One method of ‘adapting' would be to save money and just sit out the crisis, but then tens of thousands would die of severe heat stress. After all, the Sahara desert is depopulated for a reason, and when the heat of the Sahara scorches a region with a population of hundreds of millions we can understand why the Sahara is pretty much uninhabited.
Perhaps no other time in human history is so unsuitable when it comes to ‘adapting to climate change' as the time we live in today. Adaptation is not free. It costs money, and with every country on earth now subject to the whims of deregulated capital flows, and the corporate agenda. Of slashing programs and cutting taxes and hoarding money now the global norm as a result, we can anticipate a series of increasingly worsening disasters to claim appalling numbers of human lives, and this in spite of the fact that there has been advance warning of what is to come. You see adapting costs money, and that means social programs and taxes. In our society, the needs of the few have become more important than the needs of the many, the direct consequence of bad political policy, in particular during the Reagan and Thatcher years. Whatever happened later was only the logical consequence of deregulated capital flows, since, as the French Socialists found out in the 80s, governments must now do what they are told, lest their economies be ruined and those disobedient governments be left to take the blame for having bad economic policies. It is not surprising then to see the British ‘Labor Party' allied with the extreme right wing of the republican, party. Since the deregulation of capital has resulted in the disappearance of even the middle, and now when you move to the left of the right wing, you find yourself on the right wing, since no middle exists, not to mention no left. Around the world the ‘Social Democrats' and the ‘Labor Party' are slashing taxes, deregulating, ending social programs, with their latest targets being ending ‘Welfare as we know it' and now they are targeting pension plans.
And these are the people who are going to ‘manage climate change' and show how adaptable human society can be when faced with the ‘challenges' of climate change. There is good reason to be pessimistic and to anticipate catastrophic loss of human life on a grand scale. If one wishes to look for a silver lining on this black cloud I am describing, well it would be necessary to think long term, and understand that this ‘corporate agenda' is in the process of destroying itself. I think it is quite brave to be slashing away at things like pensions. Its only been a couple of decades and up to now people have been helpless before the onslaught being launched against them, as their jobs are shipped to the slave industries. Most of the new jobs you hear so much about are ‘service sector jobs' (would you like fries with that). If you think long term, and you are able to be patient even when faced with the worst abominations, the future looks more promising as the mismanagement of the disasters to come, caused by the inevitable penny pinching, tax cutting, and greed, completely discredits the corporate agenda. Over the long term, not only will the corporate agenda, and every politician known to have supported it, take the blame for climate change, they will also get saddled with the blame for mismanaging the situation and killing many, many millions of people.

Climate change taking place over the Sahara, and affecting Europe (drought, agriculture, and their burning forests, not to mention the wave of deaths) is only one of the more immediate effects of climate change. Glaciers supply the only source of drinking water for millions of very poor people in South America, and they will be gone in about twenty years. Actually they could be gone in five or ten years, for the glaciers have been melting at an alarming and accelerating rate recently, and if the pattern continues the time to respond to this developing disaster grows ever shorter. Once again, this is a disaster that must be dealt with now, proving how adaptable human society can be when warned in advance about changing climate conditions. Now nothing can be done about these climate changes. Its a little bit late for that now, and so what we can do is only what is possible under the circumstances, and that means we must adapt. One would suppose that we could take steps to forestall future climate change, although that is also unlikely to happen, and as for the climate change taking place at the present time, we are stuck with it, and therefore we must adapt.

The water crisis looming in the near future in South America can only be managed in three ways. Either the people must move, the water must move, or a combination of these two methods is required. If the people move or the water moves this will cost money. These are poor people, who have no money, and once again they benefitted the least from modern ways of doing things while being expected to bear the brunt of the consequences that result. Now the American powers would be useless when it comes to dealing with problems like this. For decades they have been sponsoring coups and placing sociopathic lunatics in power as ‘President for Life'. The American powers just are not fond of those people, and if they died off by the millions, and it could all be blamed on nature, instead of on lunatic death squads, well the American powers would probably see that as an opportunity to be exploited, and a chance to do something they have always wanted to do to those people, and did do to them, although they could only slaughter them by the tens or hundreds of thousands, rather than the millions, due to their fears of the public outcry.

I just mention this in case someone wants to suggest lobbying the American Powers in Washington. People are either going to learn to be powers themselves, and organize themselves, something they are poor at doing, as you can tell by how they have been worked over these last decades, or they can suffer the terrible consequences. As for the American Powers, they are so short sited that they are now occupying the Caucasus, source of the worlds largest remaining reserves of gas and oil, not to mention Iraq, and they are plotting against Venezuela, on the grounds that the place is being run by a dictator, something that never has bothered them in the past, but Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the Americas, and so that is not surprising either. You know first they pulled off a coup in Venezuela, and Washington congratulated the coup plotters, then a couple of days later, the massive street protests over turned the coup. Then they started demanding ‘new elections' even though the constitution provides for new elections if they win a referendum. Well Chavez got in with a two thirds majority, so that wouldn't work, which is why they tried a coup in the first place. Next they faked a bunch of ballots and then complained that the place was a dictatorship, and now they are back to plotting ‘regime change' in Venezuela. What is really going on is that Chavez has put in place some modest social programs using royalties. Raised on oil revenues, and given how you just can't have social programs these days, and given how furious people are about those royalties, which come straight out of profits, well he has to go, one way or the other. The Americans will have to use the methods of dictatorship to get rid of him, since he will probably win the next elections by a strong majority, and so democracy has to go in Venezuela for that reason, while the hypocrite American powers speak of overthrowing that nasty Venezuelan tyrant who won't leave office in mid term, and then commits the offense of winning elections, thus sucking royalties out of oil profits for social programs, which is not allowed.
Now could it be that the American Powers don't know about the coming famines or the coming water crisis, or could it be that they don't give a damn. You know, as long as those bad things happen far away and can be blamed on nature, and will also get rid of millions of people they don't like in any case, well all is well that ends well, right?
Speaking of the American powers, and things happening far away, there are signs emerging that the effects of climate change will less than favorable for Americans. For Africans, after some short term pain, global warming could have positive effects, as the Sahara returns to Savannah and swamp and forest, as it was only six thousand years ago, when the global temperature was only about a degree warmer than it was in the following epochs. What a difference a degree makes. America seems destined to become some kind of part desert, part swamp.

The images above show the extent of the drought afflicting North America. Some interesting facts about the drought. Did you know that the drought in America and the process of the receding Sahara desert are concurrent phenomena. Both go back not quite a decade, and both have been progressing year by year in lock step. America gets drier as the Sahara gets wetter. The Sahara desert has been one of the stable features of the climate for close to six thousand years, and when it begins to disappear you know that the climate is changing. Now climate change being what it is, it can be said that this is a regional change, but regional changes are taking place globally. Glaciers are melting, the arctic ice cap is disappearing. Parts of the antarctic ice cap are melting. Other parts are building rather than melting, and this has given rise to the debunking story that states that ‘Antarctic ice is building'. What is happening is that parts of the Antarctic ice sheet have stopped flowing, and consequently are building instead of flowing into the sea. (Every time you mention Antarctic ice someone will report that debunking story about the growing Antarctic ice sheet, and apparently they don't know that part about the way those ice sheets have stalled, but that's the way debunking works...leave out part of the facts...and that is not a good thing, because when those things start to move towards the sea again, they will be that much bigger...don't buy any property along the coast, unless you are old enough to drop dead before your real estate values plummet...It seems that perhaps this stalling of the Antarctic ice sheet has been caused by previous melting. If you examine water temperature graphs, you can see that while the arctic waters are up to five degrees warmer than the norm, there is this pool of water five degrees colder than normal around Antarctica, which must have been caused by previous melting in the region. Other regional changes include record breaking tornadoes in the United States last year. Global humidity has risen by ten percent in the last decade (caused by the earth ‘sweating' and thus raising the humidity level). This results in increasingly severe tornadoes and storms which are fed by this extra energy in the atmosphere (and tornado season is upon us again).

I mention all this because there are those who will say that ‘this is just another American drought'. It could be the effects of climate change, given that is occurring concurrent with other remarkable changes. If this proves to be the case, then the immediate effects of climate change will not be confined to Europeans or North Africans or South American peasants. Americans will have to adapt as well, and you know what that means. Taxes. As I suggested previously, this is the worst time in human history for a civilization to be called upon to adapt, in other words to spend money, but to look on the bright side, this modern agenda will be completely discredited by what is to come. Just give it some time.

Sahara desert moves north into Europe
http://www.awitness.org/journal/adapt_climate_change.html

Changing Climate on the Sahara brings flooding in countries along Southern Border

Sahara storm may threaten Africa with famine

Sudden Climate change is the historical norm
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http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html

http://www.truehealth.org/climref1.html

http://www.awitness.org/journal/index.html … One for Pupp as well

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What Earth Changes?

I don't see no Earth Changes!

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Thanks Hoss!

I was warned about this 3 years ago... it's gonna get ugly. Real ugly!

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  Posted: May 26 2005, 05:07 AM
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Sudden climate Change in the past
http://ezinearticles.com/?Earthquakes,-Tsu...-Mean?&id=35874
In lieu of recent, tumultuous occurrences, people are more compelled than ever to discover the mystery of these modern-day, earth-changing events.

One day, Earth(1) is experiencing the fourth largest earthquake in a century - a 9.0 tectonics plate(2) shift(3) off the coast of Sumatra(4), the next day - Tsunami(5).

A Report(6) from NASA explains how the poles have permanently shifted by an entire inch. According to Dr. Benjamin Fong Chao, "...Any worldly event that involves the movement of mass affects the Earth's rotation, from seasonal weather down to driving a car." Per the findings of Doctors Chao and Gross, the North Pole(7) has shifted by an inch in the direction of 145 degree East Longitude. Based on their report too, was that Earth's oblateness(8) (gravity field) was also decreased by a small amount.

To translate into laymen's terms, the change in mass distribution(9) can effect long-term global climate changes(10)(11); thus, the El Nino/La Nina(12) effect is strengthened due to unusual mean sea level pressure(13).

The Journal of Geophysical Research(14) published an abstract on data analysis from the Earth's gravity field(15). In their profound study, results showed that Earth's gravity field has undergone significant variations during the past 28 years alone. The largest (of these fluctuations) occurred during the 1996 - 2002 time frame. Again, we have a scenario of mass redistributions in the atmosphere and ocean in a relatively short period.

Personal research from the National Earthquake Information Center(16) showed that between December 5, 2004 and January 5, 2005 there were over 170 earthquakes across the globe that measured over a 5.0 (on the Richter Scale).

According to the Volcano Information Center(17), 77 volcanoes have erupted or are experiencing ongoing eruptions since 2002 - 2004; of which, 57 began erupting during 2004 alone.

The recent California Mudslides(18), the torrential downpours, and extreme winter precipitation begs one to try and comprehend what exactly is occurring and why it is happening at this point in time. Once again, we return to the statement made by Dr. Benjamin Fong Chao, "...Any worldly event that involves the movement of mass affects the Earth's rotation, from seasonal weather down to driving a car."

Based on this analogy, we can clearly define that magnetic field composition and movement can and does affect global weather (on a broad scale). But what other effects can the magnetic field have on the planet as a whole?

Interestingly enough, I was able to retrieve different reports that may somehow involve magnetic field proponents: In February of 2004, `...over 10,000 Bramblings dropped dead in a `bird rain' in the Eastern Province of Jiangsu - Yangzi,' as reported in the BBC News. In addition, in November of 2004, 100s of Whales and dolphins were found stranded off the coast of Tasmania and New Zealand (Australia Broadcasting Corp ). Reporter Jocelyn Nettlefold stated, "...The weather appears to be central to the stranding cycle. Every decade or so, atmospheric changes bring cooler, sub-Antarctic waters further north..." Professor Mark Hindell further elaborated, "...there have been suggestions in the past that seismic exploration may have been associated with strandings in the US..."

In a more comprehensive Article from Progress in Physical Geography, Sudden Climate Transitions during the Quaternary, Scientists found that the `...time span of the past few million years has been punctuated by many rapid climate transitions, most of them on time scales of centuries to decades or even less...' and `...Judging by its past behavior under both glacial and interglacial conditions, climate has a tendency to remain quite stable for most of the time and then suddenly `flip'; at least sometimes over just a few decades, due to the influence of the various triggering and feedback mechanisms..."

This, in relation to magnetic pole shifts would inevitably and theoretically explain dramatic climate transitions. Since 1990, surface waters in tropical and subtropical Atlantic Ocean regions became markedly saltier, while at the same time, much of the water column in the high altitudes of the North and South Atlantic Oceans became fresher. (Report: New Study Reports Large-scale Salinity Changes in the Oceans)

My own theory is as such: Seismological Events = Polar Shifts = Climatic Changes = Global Warming = Sea Level Rise = Continued Seismological Events = etc., etc., etc. In other words, seismological events brought on by nature or manmade contraptions, is the beginning of a vicious cycle.

To further fuel the debate of greenhouse effects directly attributed by sea level rise, `Glacial Melt Alarms Scientists,' as reported by Terry Rombeck of Journal-World, Prasad Gogineni (Kansas Univ. Researcher) stated, "...I don't think sea-level rise is an immediate concern. You're talking about the long term, 50 or 100 years. But the assumptions we've made are based on gradual increases over 100 years. What we're seeing are dramatic increases."

Overall, the Earth, as we know it is inconceivably changing before our eyes. It is still not too late to make our own transitions in how we proceed with this newfound knowledge. The key to scientific research and global climatic/geological phenomena is that we, as human beings, have the inevitable power to implement strategic changes that can ultimately reverse or at least slow the effects of our own ability to inhabit this Earthly plane. In so, the solution lies within us all. The only difference between mankind's survival and mass-level extinction is whether or not we choose to use the solution.

For a more metaphysical point of view on polar shifts, Crawford 2000 has an interesting site at http://www.crawford2000.co.uk/mag.htm

For information on what you can do to make our world a better one, visit the websites of the US Environmental Protection Agency & GreenPeace

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Climate Change Could Come Quickly, Study Warns

© Environment News Service (ENS) 2001
December 12, 2001
By Cat Lazaroff

WASHINGTON, DC, December 12, 2001 (ENS) - Climate change may come on fast and furious, wreaking sudden and catastrophic damage on people, property, and natural ecosystems, warns a new report from the National Research Council. The study suggests that human caused greenhouse warming may increase the possibility of abrupt and unwelcome climatic events.

Researchers do not know enough about such events to accurately predict them, so surprises are inevitable, the researchers warn in a report titled, "Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises."

Most climate change research has focused on gradual changes, such as the processes by which emissions of greenhouse gases lead to warming of the planet.

But new evidence shows that periods of gradual change in Earth's past were punctuated by episodes of abrupt change, including temperature changes of about 10 degrees Celsius, or 18 degrees Fahrenheit, in only a decade in some places. Severe floods and droughts also marked periods of abrupt change.

If the planet's climate is being forced to change - as most scientists believe is currently the case - it increases the number of possible mechanisms that can trigger abrupt events, the report says. The more rapid the forced change, the more likely it is that abrupt events will occur on a time scale that has immediate human and ecological consequences, the National Research Council (NRC) says.

"Abrupt climate changes were especially common when the climate system was being forced to change most rapidly," the report states. "Thus, greenhouse warming and other human alterations of the earth system may increase the possibility of large, abrupt, and unwelcome regional or global climatic events."

The committee that wrote the report said there is no need for undue alarm about the possibility of sudden climate change, because societies have learned to adapt to these changes over the course of human history.

The collapse of some ancient civilizations has been associated with abrupt climate changes, especially severe droughts, but humans have also shown great resilience. The committee said that research into the causes, patterns and likelihood of abrupt climate change is the best way to reduce its impact.

Research should be aimed at improving modeling and statistical analysis of abrupt changes, the committee said, focusing on mechanisms that lead to sudden climate changes during warm periods, with an eye to providing realistic estimates of the likelihood of extreme events. Poor countries may need more help preparing for abrupt climate change since they lack scientific and economic resources, the committee noted.

The planet's past climate record also needs to be understood better, according to the report. Scientists have a variety of means to study what the climate was like thousands of years ago. For example, researchers look at tree rings to examine the frequency of droughts and analyze gas bubbles trapped in ice cores to measure past atmospheric conditions.

With such techniques, scientists have discovered repeated instances of particularly large and abrupt climate changes over the last 100,000 years during the slide into and climb out of the most recent ice age.

For instance, the warming at the end of the last ice age triggered an abrupt cooling period, which finished with an especially abrupt warming about 12,000 years ago. Since then, less dramatic - though still rapid - climate changes have occurred, affecting precipitation, hurricanes, and the El Niño events that occasionally disrupt temperatures in the tropical Pacific.

Examples of abrupt change in the past century include a rapid warming of the North Atlantic from 1920 to 1930 and the Dust Bowl drought of the 1930s.

Many factors may contribute to suggen changes in regional or global climate. Earlier this year, Pennsylvania State University associate professor Richard Alley, chair of the NRC committee that wrote the current study, cited greenhouse gases and ocean circulation as particularly important in rapid climate changes.

"The secret of why the whole world rides a roller coaster in the ice age and freezes and thaws is probably greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide," Alley told attendees of the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "The seesaw effect of rapid climate change is probably caused by ocean circulation and the keys to this change are locked in the polar ice."

Simulating abrupt climate changes using computer models is difficult because most climate models assume a linear relationship between the factors which are forcing change - greenhouse gas emissions, for example - and the response of the global climate. Such a relationship would mean that as greenhouse gas emissions double, the rate of climate change doubles.

But abrupt climate changes show that while a small forcing may cause a small change, it may also force the climate system across a threshold, triggering huge changes.

One example of threshold crossing would be a massive discharge of fresh water from lakes previously dammed by ice sheets, which are now melting away. As that cold, fresh water floods into the sea, it may alter or halt the natural circulation of ocean currents that normally bring warm water to northern climates and carry cooler water toward the equator.

If the ocean currents slow or halt, the result could be a deep freeze in northern regions, and far warmer temperatures in equatorial regions.

"We don't know how this cycle begins, nor do we know geographically where the salty water begins to sinks to return circulation. However, this pattern of cold north with warm far south has occurred repeatedly," said Penn State's Alley.

Rapid climate changes make adaptation by humans, wildlife and ecosystems more difficult. The NRC committee recommends that researchers try to identify strategies that increase the adaptability of economic and ecological systems.

The committee noted that many policies aimed at responding to catastrophic changes might provide benefits regardless of whether abrupt climate change occurs. Some steps that the committee says deserve a look include reducing emissions to slow global warming, improving climate forecasting, slowing biodiversity loss, and improving water, land and air quality.

"We need to get our politicians to take the issue of global climate change seriously," said Jonathan Overpeck, director of the Institute for the Study of Planet Earth at the University of Arizona, and a coauthor of the NRC study. "The economic and quality of life costs of not acting could far outweigh the costs of fixing the problem now."

The report was sponsored by the U.S. Global Change Research Program, with additional support from the National Bureau of Economic Research Program on International Environmental Economics at Yale University.
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WHY AUSTRALIA MUST NOT RATIFY THE KYOTO PROTOCOL
http://www.warwickhughes.com/climate/foster30.htm
An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security
October 2003
http://www.heuersdorf.de/Wrldclmt.html
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http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/cli...nge/default.htm
However, in Australia, climate change will bring hotter weather. Australia's temperature is expected to increase more than the average global temperature rise with more days over 35 degrees C and fewer days below 0 degrees C expected
For Australian residents, water shortages and loss of biodiversity have been identified as the biggest concern.
As the planet heats up more water will evaporate. Most of Australia will become drier while some areas in the northeast will be subject to more rain, which could lead to flooding.

Rising Sea levels
http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/cli...nge/default.htm
Australian coastal residents may also experience flooding from severe tides. And rising sea levels will be a problem - as the Earth heats up so will the oceans, and as water heats up it expands. The expansion of water will be the major reason sea levels will rise, with some contribution from melting ice at the poles.
Just as an ice block melts faster on a hot day, higher temperatures will lead to polar ice melting at a faster rate. Australian scientists studying Antarctic ice sheets and glaciers predict that global warming could break up the west Antarctic ice sheet, leading to more water melting from glaciers and increasing sea levels by 6 to 8 metres when it happens.
Considering the majority of the world's population live close to the coast, our cities may look more like Venice in the future. People living on low-lying Islands, such as the Maldives, could be literally washed from their homes with as little as a 0.5 m rise in sea levels, as predicted to occur by 2100.
Australia's favourite beaches may be underwater and surfers may have to move to different spots as rising sea levels re-shape the Australian coastline.
What do we do?
Scientists can help people understand the consequences of climate change, says CSIRO climate scientist Roger Jones, but it's up to the world community to decide what change is acceptable and what temperature is too hot to handle.
It is now generally agreed that a one degree C rise in global temperature is inevitable. Some scientists and climate change prevention groups have suggested that a 2 degree C rise in global temperature would be 'dangerous' and the world should try and stop this from happening. But Australia remains uncommitted to defining a dangerous or maximum acceptable limit for climate change. Why? Because what's dangerous will be different for individuals, communities and countries, says Roger Jones from CSIRO, who doesn't believe current world governments would be able to reach a consensus.
Australia's economy relies heavily on coal and energy industries and the government must weigh up the impact of global warming with the economic impact of reducing these industries.
A few interesting sites jah
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html
http://www.truehealth.org/climref1.html
http://www.awitness.org/journal/index.html … One for Pupp as well
http://dieoff.org/
http://dieoff.org/page127.htm
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  Posted: May 26 2005, 05:11 AM
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HI ALL

What Earth Changes?

I don't see no Earth Changes!
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That''s the trouble most won't nor would they, believe it as well we have science.
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  Posted: May 28 2005, 12:47 AM
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A few more sites fer ya's

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/GLOB_CHANGE/sgcc.html


http://www.gcrio.org/gwcc / good educational site
http://www.gcrio.org/gwcc/booklet2.html
Do we need to worry?
Australia's size and resources help it cope, as does its location -the conveyor shutdown mainly affects the Northern Hemisphere. Japan has fewer resources but is able to draw on its social cohesion to cope –its government is able to induce population-wide behavior changes to conserve resource
http://www.mnforsustain.org/climate_change...us_security.htm
WORRY PUPP WORRRy thing aint normal
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Posted: May 31 2005, 10:28 PM
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Good work Hoss !

Rapid climate change is on the local level as well.

Where I fish in North Central Wa state
I could always watch the cloud banks
and predict windows of rainsquall free fishing time.
This last trip ,
twice I went out on the lake rowing the raft
and absolutely got hammered by hit and run weather.
The weather changed too fast.
In the 80s and 90s I had great success at seing the weather patterns
thruout the day in the mountain fishing.
Now it is all haywire and caddywampus,
the way the clouds and weather just run hither and thither,
with wild abandon virtually unpredictable.

So globally, one can extrapolate the local uncertainty of pattern
as translated into "rapid weather change"


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Posted: Jun 2 2005, 01:37 PM
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Heia Hoss;o)
Glad you started this thread... have lots of links to climate changes in the past... thousands-millions of years ago... and more recently... I'll be back... got to little time to do all I want to... I'll check out your links.

Vianova,
I know what you mean... I can relate to things happening in Norway now. Things ARE changing!



The best way to understand what happened in the past- is to check out scientific material from for example - ice cores: taken from all around the world:
http://www.nicl-smo.sr.unh.edu/maps/world/world.html
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ME got Sidetracted, fund a survival site linlks thread. Been busy liberating stuff
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From january 8th:
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http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail....9541&con_type=1

Foreshadowing potential climate chaos to come, global warming when the Earth was young caused unexpectedly severe and erratic temperature swings as rising levels of greenhouse gases helped transform the world, a team of researchers said.

The transition from global ice age to global greenhouse 300 million years ago was marked by repeated dips and rises in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and wild swings in temperature, with drastic effects on vegetation, the researchers reported in the journal Science
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“It was a real yo-yo,” said University of California at Davis geochemist Isabel Montanez, who led researchers from five universities and the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History in a project funded by the US National Science Foundation. “Should we expect similar but faster climate behavior in the future? One has to ask whether that is where we are headed.”
This insight into climate change counters the traditional view that global warming will be gradual and its regional effects easily anticipated.

Over several million years, carbon dioxide in the ancient atmosphere increased from about 280 parts per million to 2,000 ppm, the same increase that scientists expect by the end of this century as remaining reserves of fossil fuels are burned.

No one knows the reason for so much variation in carbon dioxide levels 300 million years ago, but as modern industrial activity continues to pump greenhouse gases into the air at rapid rates, the unpredictable climate changes that took millions of years to unfold naturally so long ago could be compressed into a few centuries or less today, several experts said.

Carbon dioxide levels last year reached 380 ppm, rising at almost twice the rate of a decade ago, experts said.

Average global temperatures have been rising at a rate of about 0.2 degrees Celsius per decade for the past 30 years.

Still, the transformation of Earth documented by Montanez and her colleagues makes the current spate of extreme weather events – extended droughts, killing heat waves and powerful hurricane seasons – appear mild by comparison.

From a planet whose landscape was buried in ice miles thick, the Earth convulsed into an ice- free world covered in drifts of wind-blown dust and sparse vegetation, in spasm after spasm of global temperature shifts of between 3.9 and 10 degrees Celsius at a time, Montanez said.

The scientists studied the late Paleozoic period, between 305 million and 265 million years ago, when the planet was very different from now.


Land masses were part of a single super- continent largely sheathed in ice. Shallow seas regularly rose and fell. The sun was weaker. The atmosphere’s chemistry was different. And, in this single epoch, life experienced its greatest expansion in diversity of forms, followed abruptly by its largest mass extinction.

Just as during the modern era, however, the planet of the late Paleozoic was shifting from an ice age to a warmer greenhouse world – the only other era in the planet’s history to experience such a transition, said Yale University geochemist Robert Berner, an expert on climate and evolution who was not involved in the research.

“This is the closest thing we have to a direct analogue to the future,” said geoscientist Lee Kump at Pennsylvania State University, who was not a member of the research team.

“If we want to better understand the [contemporary] climate response we have to go back to this late Paleozoic period.”


The researchers attacked ancient sediments in gullies, road cuts and stream beds with picks, shovels and bulldozers at sites in Oklahoma, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona and Texas.

After five years of work, they compiled the first carefully dated and cross-referenced mineral archive of the period’s primeval soils and fossil plant matter, they reported.


Chemical analysis of iron oxides and isotopes of hydrogen and oxygen gave evidence of temperature variation, rainfall patterns and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels through 40 million years of the Paleozoic, over the period of major climate warming. They correlated the findings with an analysis of fossil shellfish remains, to compare those findings against marine carbon levels.

“It is an extraordinary improvement on past estimates,” said Yale paleoclimate expert Mark Pagani, who also was not involved in the research.

Instead of a gradual transition from a cold world to a warm one, in which many scientists had believed, Montanez and her colleagues found large spikes of climate change correlated with fluctuating levels of carbon dioxide, like a seismometer graph of the myriad tremors before and after a major earthquake.

“[Carbon dioxide] goes up and temperature goes up. It drops and temperature drops,” Montanez said. “It suggests that normal behavior in major climate transitions is instability, erratic temperature behavior and carbon dioxide changes.”


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Hi Blue Eyed, I saw on the news today that representatives from the Union of Concerned Scientists testified before a Congressional Committee on how the Bush Administration had doctored and altered the studies of many Scientist's reports.

The reports had been doctored by editing words and sentances to change their meaning and eliminate any alarming and potentially vital and important future ramifications if we do nothing.

Bottom line...

The Bush Admin has been stifling evidence of global warming.
NASA Scientist - James E. Hansen
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3330

----Maybe global warming is also part of a solar cycle and a normal event on Earth...

But I know that mankind has contributed to the altering of the climate by burning fossil fuels, oil, coal, and gas and smelting ore for the past 150 years.

Not to mention all of the other air polluting industries such as refrigeration (freon gas) and other ozone depleting gases.

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QUOTE (Mark J. Harper @ Jan 31 2007, 01:41 AM)
Bottom line...

The Bush Admin has been stifling evidence of global warming.
NASA Scientist - James E. Hansen
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3330

----Maybe global warming is also part of a solar cycle and a normal event on Earth...

But I know that mankind has contributed to the altering of the climate by burning fossil fuels, oil, coal, and gas and smelting ore for the past 150 years.

Not to mention all of the other air polluting industries such as refrigeration (freon gas) and other ozone depleting gases.



I fully agree that we are responsible for polluting the air/ the sea/ the whole earth which affects both weather and the life of animals and humans. And that we by altering the landscape (t.e. cutting down the rainforests) also impact the weather patterns.

Despite all this human influences I believe we are in for bigger natural changes (cycles) that are beyond human control.

And my inner fright is that TPTB will use this climate change FEAR – blaming all the changes on us humans –as a tool to regulate us into total control. Changed rules for global politics and economics, influencing the local private room…

Just see how they regulate us with this UN “Local Agenda 21” – I had no idea till recently - how much of this they’ve implemented in Norwegian local politics. It’s frightening.
They are regulating the private room – transportation, housing, recycling, environment – everything down to the small details. All in the name of creating sustainable environments for the future.

The Norwegian Government however buys quotes of co2 – so they can use private planes to meetings around Europe/world!
Another thing is that in Norway it’s the oil/gas-industry that is the main contributor to co2 emission – not the private man.

So where is the common sense when they regulate the ordinary man?? It’s all a matter of control! frantic.gif


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Despite all this human influences I believe we are in for bigger natural changes (cycles) that are beyond human control.

I totally agree --- as I read and type...the hair stands up on my spine all the way from my ankles to my neck. Goosebumps!!!

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And my inner fright is that TPTB will use this climate change FEAR – blaming all the changes on us humans –as a tool to regulate us into total control.

Exactly!

Everyone will beg to be saved. Some will turn to religion and some will turn to the government for help. I choose neither....and trust neither.




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