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> David Irving Gets Three Years In Prison, "Alleged" Holocaust Denier


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Posted: Feb 20 2006, 08:50 PM
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"I've never been a Holocaust denier and I get very angry when I'm called a Holocaust denier"
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David Irving Gets Three Years In Prison
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VIENNA, Austria - Right-wing British historian David Irving was sentenced to three years in prison Monday after admitting to an Austrian court that he denied the Holocaust " a crime in the country where Hitler was born.

Irving, who pleaded guilty and then insisted during his one-day trial that he now acknowledged the Nazis' World War II slaughter of 6 million Jews, had faced up to 10 years behind bars. Before the verdict, Irving conceded he had erred in contending there were no gas chambers at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," Irving testified, at one point expressing sorrow "for all the innocent people who died during the Second World War."

Irving, stressing he only relied on primary sources, said he came across new information in the early 1990's from top Nazi officials " including personal documents belonging to Adolf Eichmann " that led him to rethink certain previous assertions.

But despite his apparent epiphany, Irving, 67, maintained he had never questioned the Holocaust.

"I've never been a Holocaust denier and I get very angry when I'm called a Holocaust denier," he said.


Irving's lawyer said he would appeal the sentence.

"I consider the verdict a little too stringent. I would say it's a bit of a message trial," attorney Elmar Kresbach said.

State prosecutor Michael Klackl declined to comment on the verdict. In his closing arguments, however, he criticized Irving for "putting on a show" and for not admitting that the Nazis killed Jews in an organized and systematic manner.

Irving appeared shocked as the sentence was read out. Moments later, an elderly man identifying himself as a family friend called out "Stay strong, David! Stay strong!" before he was escorted from the courtroom.

Irving has been in custody since his November arrest on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 in which he was accused of denying the Nazis' extermination of 6 million Jews.

Irving, handcuffed and wearing a navy blue suit, arrived at the court carrying one of his most controversial books " "Hitler's War," which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.

Throughout the day, Irving sat quietly and attentively in the stifling courtroom.

Irving's trial was held amid new " and fierce " debate over freedom of expression in Europe, where the printing and reprinting of unflattering cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad has triggered violent protests worldwide.

"Of course it's a question of freedom of speech," Irving said. "The law is an ass."

The court convicted Irving after his guilty plea under the 1992 law, which applies to "whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media."

Austria was Hitler's birthplace and once was run by the Nazis.

"He is everything but a historian ... He is a dangerous falsifier of history," Klackl said, calling Irving's statements an "abuse of freedom of speech."

Klackl said the Austrian law does not "hinder historical works."

"You have to look at each case individually," he said. "The point is, what is someone trying to do? It's the intent."

Kresbach, however, said people "should have a right to be wrong."

The verdict was welcomed by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which also highlighted the issue of freedom of speech.

"While Irving's rants would not have led to legal action in the United States, it is important that we recognize and respect Austria's commitment to fighting Holocaust denial, the most odious form of hatred, as part of its historic responsibility to its Nazi past," the center's associate dean, Rabbi Abraham Cooper, said in a statement.

Kresbach said last month the controversial Third Reich historian was getting up to 300 pieces of fan mail a week from supporters around the world and was writing his memoirs in detention under the working title "Irving's War."

Irving was arrested Nov. 11 in the southern Austrian province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989. He tried to win his provisional release on $24,000 bail, but a Vienna court rejected the motion, saying it considered him a flight risk.

Within two weeks of his arrest, he asserted through his lawyer that he had come to acknowledge the existence of Nazi-era gas chambers.

However, he has claimed previously that Adolf Hitler knew little if anything about the Holocaust, and he has been quoted as saying there was "not one shred of evidence" the Nazis carried out their "Final Solution" to exterminate the Jewish population on such a massive scale.

Irving, the author of nearly 30 books, has contended most of those who died at concentration camps such as Auschwitz succumbed to diseases such as typhus rather than execution.


In 2000, Irving sued American Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt for libel in a British court, but lost. The presiding judge in that case, Charles Gray, wrote that Irving was "an active Holocaust denier ... anti-Semitic and racist."

Irving has had numerous run-ins with the law over the years.

In 1992, a judge in Germany fined him the equivalent of $6,000 for publicly insisting the Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz were a hoax.




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Posted: Feb 20 2006, 09:21 PM
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This guy has always given me the impression that he is just a publicity seeker who uses the holocaust as his vehicle to notoriety.

The video of him outside the court shows him to be quite subdued. Not so cocky now compared to past video footage.

I think they should rebuild one of the camps and get a few ex-guards out of retirement to add some authenticity to his sentence. See what he writes about then.




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Posted: Feb 20 2006, 10:02 PM
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"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
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Prison Sentence For Irving Is Outrageous
By Mark Weber
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A court in Austria today sentenced British historian David Irving to three years in prison for a 16-year-old violation of that country's "Holocaust denial" law.

This sentence is an outrage. Punishing someone for peacefully expressing an opinion about history is a step backwards to the legal standards of the Middle Ages.

The sentence points up a blatant double standard that prevails in Austria, France, Germany, Switzerland and some other European countries that punish anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy about the Holocaust.

While these countries defend, in the name of free speech, the right of cartoonists and writers to mock and insult the religious sensibilities of Muslims and Christians, they deny that same right to anyone who challenges the official Holocaust historiography.

Irving's three-year sentence is particularly grotesque because it is for a "thought crime" committed 16 years ago. For most crimes committed that long ago, a statute of limitations would have prevented punishment. Irving would not have been punished if, for example, he had stolen a car 16 years ago.

Irving's case is by no means unique. The long list of those who have been fined, imprisoned, or forced into exile for "denying the Holocaust" includes Robert Faurisson and Roger Garaudy in France, Siegfried Verbeke in Belgium, Juergen Graf and Gaston-Armand Amaudruz in Switzerland, and Guenter Deckert, Hans Schmidt and Fredrick Toben in Germany.

In Germany the trial of "Holocaust denier" Ernst Zundel is still continuing. Another German citizen, Germar Rudolf, similarly faces years of imprisonment there for "denying the Holocaust."

"Holocaust denial" laws violate ancient and universal standards of justice. If the principle of freedom of speech means anything, it means the right to express disagreeable views, particularly about history.

"Holocaust denial" laws are inherently unjust because they are selective and one-sided. They prohibit dissent about only one chapter of history. Similar laws criminalizing dissent about other chapters of history would universally be considered outrageous.

"Holocaust denial" laws inhibit robust and unfettered discussion about an emotion-laden and highly politicized chapter of history. They underscore the quasi-religious status that the Holocaust story has attained in western Europe and the United States.

With each passing year, "Holocaust denial" laws will be regarded as ever more bizarre and embarrassing. It is difficult to imagine that they will still be in place anywhere ten years from now.

Mark Weber is director of the Institute for Historical Review. In March 1988 he testified for five days in Toronto District Court as a recognized expert witness on Germany's wartime Jewish policy and the Holocaust issue.

The Institute for Historical Review, founded in 1978, is dedicated to promoting greater public awareness of the past, and especially socially-politically relevant aspects of contemporary history. It is recognized by the IRS as a 501©(3) not-for-profit educational enterprise.

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Posted: Feb 21 2006, 05:17 PM
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British historian David Irving is surrounded by photographers as he arrives for his trial in Vienna, Monday 20 February 2006.
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Lawyers for right-wing British historian David Irving said he will appeal his three-year sentence after he was convicted in Austria of denying the Holocaust.

Irving told reporters he was very shocked by the sentence, handed down after he pleaded guilty to the charge, which stemmed from a 1989 speech and interview in which he denied that gas chambers were used at the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz.

The comments were made in Austria, one of 11 countries with laws against denying the Holocaust.

"I consider the verdict a little too stringent. I would say it's a bit of a message trial," said defence lawyer Elmar Kresbach.

Jewish leaders have welcomed Irving's conviction, although some have questioned whether his three-year sentence will make him a martyr.

Change of heart

However Mr Irving insisted during his one-day trial that he has had a change of heart and now acknowledged the Nazis' World War II slaughter of six million Jews.

In particular he conceded he had erred in contending there were no gas chambers at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," Mr Irving testified, at one point expressing sorrow "for all the innocent people who died during the Second World War."

Before the verdict he told journalists he considered it "ridiculous" that he was standing trial for remarks made 17 years ago.

Handcuffed and wearing a navy blue suit, he arrived at court carrying a copy of one of his most controversial books ‘Hitler's War’, which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.

Mr Irving's trial was held amid new and fierce debate over freedom of expression in Europe, where the printing and reprinting of unflattering cartoons of the prophet Mohammed has triggered violent protests worldwide.

Past views

In the past, however, he has claimed that Adolf Hitler knew little if anything about the Holocaust, and has been quoted as saying there was "not one shred of evidence" the Nazis carried out their "Final Solution" to exterminate the Jewish population on such a massive scale.

Mr Irving, the author of nearly 30 books, has contended most of those who died at concentration camps such as Auschwitz succumbed to diseases such as typhus rather than execution.

Renouf shows support

Former Australian beauty queen and controversial London socialite, Michele Renouf, turned up at the Vienna court to support British historian David Irving.

Lady Michele Renouf, the third wife of the late New Zealand financier Sir Frank Renouf, has long been an advocate of right-wing views.

Arriving in court she made her views plain to assembled media, calling for the bodies of "so-called Holocaust victims to be exhumed to see whether they died from typhoid or gas".

She praised Mr Irving for "standing up to the Zionists" before a member of the Austrian press shouted at her "Do you think your British flag entitles you to bring your Nazi propaganda into this court?"

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Former Australian beauty queen and controversial London socialite, Michele Renouf, turned up at the Vienna court to support British historian David Irving.

Lady Michele Renouf, the third wife of the late New Zealand financier Sir Frank Renouf, has long been an advocate of right-wing views.

Arriving in court she made her views plain to assembled media, calling for the bodies of "so-called Holocaust victims to be exhumed to see whether they died from typhoid or gas".


Hmmm, forensic examination? By an unbiased third party?

Hmmmm

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David Irving, Like Galileo,Victim Of 'Thought Crimes' Inquisition
By Rev. Ted Pike
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On February 20, 2006 historian David Irving was convicted by an Austrian court for the thought crime of questioning the six million figure of the Holocaust. He also "recanted" his previous skepticism that the Nazis used gas chambers to kill millions of Jews. Sentence: three years in prison.

Irving's humiliation is reminiscent of how Galileo, another great seeker of the truth, in order to escape torture and imprisonment, was forced to deny what he knew to be fact -- that the earth revolved around the sun.

Who is behind this new thought crime medievalism that is descending upon the world? Who are the inquisitors that are opening the doors of this arctic clamp-down on free speech?

They are descendants of the same Jews who financed and masterminded the conquest of Russia in 1917. 1
Such made it a speech crime, punishable by death, for a Russian to identify as Jewish any of the 4,000 Jewish revolutionaries ruling Russia.

It meant a death sentence in 1918 to question "Soviet reality" by suggesting that it was primarily Jews, not the people of Russia, who deposed the czar. Similarly, after World War II, the forces of ADL/B'nai B'rith descended on Germany and Austria and made it a crime punishable by imprisonment to deny "Holocaust reality" -- that six million Jews were killed upon Hitler's orders, very largely through gas chambers.

The Zionist "new medievalism" since that time has created hate crimes bureaucracies throughout the western world. In Canada, Europe, Australia, etc., these new Torquemadas enforce incredibly severe penalties against those who criticize federally protected groups, particularly homosexuals and Jews. Questioning the six million figure of the Holocaust is considered defamation of the Jewish dead. It is a hate crime tantamount to pushing over gravestones in a cemetery or spray-painting them with swastikas.

Many Victims of ADL Hate Laws

David Irving, while now feeling the crushing weight of the thought crimes jackboot, is actually only the most famous of many whose lives have been devastated under indictment by ADL/B'nai B'rith thought crimes laws worldwide.

Here are some of the victims, past and present:
· Doug Collins, B.C. columnist, spent $200,000 before his death defending himself against the charge of questioning the Holocaust figures.

· Malcolm Ross, New Brunswick teacher and evangelical Christian, was financially and professionally devastated for alleging a "Zionist conspiracy."

· Scott Brockie, Ontario printer and evangelical Christian, was bankrupted after spending over $170,000 defending himself against the hate crime of refusing to print pro-homosexual literature.

· Hugh Owens, Saskatchewan evangelical Christian, was fined over $6,000 for printing in the local newspaper several Bible verses critical of homosexuality.

· Germar Rudolph, German scientist, was recently deported from America to a German prison for the thought crime of questioning the figures and methods of the Holocaust.

· Rev. Ake Green, Swedish evangelical pastor, was convicted and sentenced to a month in prison for the hate crime of reading Scriptures critical of homosexuality in his church. His conviction was overturned largely as a result of world outrage.

· Rev. Anthony Grigor-Scott, Australian evangelical pastor (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/), is now under indictment for the hate crime of alleging a Zionist conspiracy.

· Rev. Steven Boissin, Canadian evangelical pastor, is now threatened with thousands of dollars of fines for the hate crime of criticizing homosexuality.

· Bill Whatcott, Canadian evangelical Christian, is under two indictments for criticizing homosexuality. He faces potential fines of more than $35,000.

· The "Philadelphia 11," evangelical Christians, were arrested on October 10, 2004 for eight charges including the hate crime of witnessing to homosexuals. Their acquittal freed them from prison time of up to 47 years and fines of $80,000 each.
New Federal Bill Hate Bill Looming

In the United States, ADL's Orwellian anti-hate bill could be reintroduced in Congress at any time. It has been narrowly defeated in years past but enjoys overwhelming support among members of Congress. The Jewish newspaper Forward warns its readers against mounting evangelical opposition to the hate bill. Yet it is optimistic: "...the hate crimes bill stands its best chance of passage in a half-decade..." 2


The Coming Storm

The conviction of David Irving is a chilling wake-up call that hate crimes laws and international enforcement of them are not going to go away. They are vital to the ADL/B'nai B'rith master plan for eventual triumph over Christian civilization.

Proponents of hate laws say they protect all ethnic groups and religions equally. Actually, in Canada, the record shows that over the last 35 years such laws have left Christians undefended against bias crimes. In contrast, they have vigorously protected homosexuals and Jews.

ADL hate laws are responsible for the imprisonment of David Irving today.

They intend the same for you and me tomorrow.

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2 Forward, January 6, 2006, "Right Fights a Hate-crimes Measure."



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The children of Satan are certainly controlling the agenda at the moment. They need to rejoice in their time in the sun because it will not be for long. The decent have crushed him every time in the past and will continue to do so. He thinks that, this time, he will turn the planet into a wasteland if he does not get his own way. More fool him because it is in adversity that goodness rises invincibly.

As soon as people realize that Satan's capitalist minions are manipulating the eternal Jewish conflict for Satan's purposes he will be rendered powerless once again.




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When I saw David Irving' s photo from Betty's post above -- I knew he was one of the synagogue of satan, but I didn't say anything back then and waited to see the truth emerge.

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READER: According to my information, David Irving is himself Jewish. “Irving” is used by Jews as a substitute name instead of “Israel”.

Irving was arrested on an autobahn in Austria on 11 November 2005. 11 November is a symbolic Jewish date, as it is the date of the Armistice at the end of World War 1. On 11 November 1999, 666 peers in the British House of Lords were deprived of their status as hereditary peers. The date of 11 November is no coincidence, and neither is the figure 666.

666 is the number of the Beast (i.e. the Devil) in the book of Revelation (chapter 13, verse 18) at the end of the New Testament.

I have in my possession a DVD where it is stated that David Irving had a telephone and a fax in his prison cell in Vienna, privileges denied to other incarcerated Holocaust deniers such as Ernst Zündel, who is not a Jew and was sentenced in Germany to 5 years’, rather than 13 months’, imprisonment.

Irving states on that DVD that the Nazis killed millions of Jews on the Eastern front during World War 2.

Other Holocaust deniers put the number of Jews killed in World War 2 at between 100,000 and 300,000.

David Irving was released after 13 months in jail in Vienna, and 13 is another symbolic Jewish number, being the number of those present at the Last Supper.

The German newspaper “Frankfurter Neue Presse” reported that, before his trial began, Irving stated that he no longer denied the Holocaust.

He also reported that he no longer questioned the existence of gas chanbers. “I have changed my views,” he said. Irving appears to be only a pseudo-revisionist. However, his 13 months in jail cannot have been pleasant for him.




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