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Posted: Sep 29 2004, 08:56 AM
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Mother Says Son Attacked As 'Jesus Hater'
Woman Says Boy Targeted Because She Is A Witch

POSTED: 4:39 pm PDT September 28, 2004
UPDATED: 5:14 pm PDT September 28, 2004

TACOMA, Wash. -- Police are investigating an attack on a middle school student as a possible hate crime because the child's mother says she is a witch, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported.

The 11-year-old boy was walking home from Jason Lee Middle School in Tacoma on Monday when a group of children allegedly called him a "Jesus hater", threw rotten apples at him and shouted profanities, said Kathie McKnight, the boy's mother.

McKnight, who said she is a practicing Wiccan, said her faith made her son the target of a hate crime.

"He was calling my son 'Jesus hater' and saying all witches should be burned right before the apples were thrown at him," she said. "So it was very much based on religion."

A Tacoma police spokesman told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News the case is being handled by the department's hate crime specialists.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/3768476/detail.html


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And when those bullies get in trouble for this, all the christians will be screaming "persecution!". clubinhand.gif


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Posted: Oct 1 2004, 11:28 PM
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Sigh... when will they realize the simple facts? We don't hate Jesus, he came with a good message. We don't hate followers of Jesus, they actually live by that good message. We don't even hate the people who do this sort of thing. Hate is a waste of energy and that energy could be much better used on creating a work of art or writing a book or playing games with your children.

We dislike the actions of those who call themselves followers of Jesus (or any other religious leader for that matter) but who do not live by the message thier so called savior brought to them. If they could learn to respect our religions then they would have no quarrel with us because we would show the same respect back to them and thier religion. All we want is to be left alone to worship as we see fit, just as the Constitution garuntees us in America. We don't interfere with your religion and you don't interfere in ours. Simple as that.




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If only if were that easy.


But Mosaic Law Religions (Judaism/Christianity/Islam) believe their religion(s) is the ONLY true path and all other beliefs are evil and 'satanic'.

Intolerance and bigotry are at the core of these belief systems.


To their credit, you dont see the jews rabidly trying to convert the entire world by any means neccessary...but unfortunately their christian and moslem cousins are.


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Posted: Oct 2 2004, 12:24 AM
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Nice Post Laughing Wolf - right On!

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Yeah, but I got a feeling both christianity and islam have their roots in judaism which has its roots in the Brahmins/vedics(sp?)




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The do have their roots in judaism, with other elements added in.

A good deal of the ancient hebrew myths were plagiarized from their neighbors - Egyptians, Babylonians, etc.

Christianity is even more hybridized.


Even when the christians or moslems you meet are the 'peaceful' kind, there is still this ideology they hold that they themselves dont need to 'get you' - their 'god will get you' instead.




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A good deal of the ancient hebrew myths were plagiarized from their neighbors - Egyptians, Babylonians, etc.

Christianity is even more hybridized.


Yup, you've done your homework!




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Right.

That why I find it so ironic that they claim to be only True Religion™ of the Only True God™.


Try to point it out and they will claim you have been misled by The Devil™.


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I think the only true religion is one that cares for mother earth and its inhabitants.

The rest seem to incite wars and hatred.

Buddhism is probably my favorite thus far, though I must admit I havn't studied up enough on it.




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What? That's Paganism! Witchcraft!


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Seriously...I'd have to agree with you.


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So does that mean I'm a heretic pagan?

Quick, find me a stake, tie me to it and burn me alive.

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we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again
and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!"
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell


"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no
religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation
is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived
from faith.... We need believing people."
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Please see one of the courageous essays in these days. JK is on this gnostic panel where they dissect theologies looking for all the light/dark and governed by true love-the panel led by Ed will put out a question to all (many heavy theology and religious history scholars) like what is love? Hate? Evil? and the interactions from many heavy minds is very exciting...


As a pagan, and I have been initiated into a circle a few years back, BUT ALAS, even freeform Wicca ceremonies for all the aspects of the moon was a little too organized for me-I consider them very knowledgable healthy friends that I can call on for any emergency and through our network there are some amazing healers, all sweet good women. I have kept a wary eye out for the faux christians who must read Betty Bowers (tee hee) because they think "jesus told them to hate you!)...

I have had several children ask my son if "we go to church", one neighbor told my son that he could come and play with his boyz and EVEN SPEND THE NIGHT if he started attending THEIR church with THEM. I don't think I was invited...the frosting on this story is that YES, THIS CRAZY 'CHRISTIAN' MAN HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH MOLESTING HIS OWN DAUGHTER DURING THE FIRST MARRIAGE AND WAS AS GOOGLY EYED as they come. Another little boy asked me if we go to church, I asked him, "why do you ask?" and the 8 year old replied-"because YOU should"...he also told me his mom hits him with wood or metal, HIS CHOICE spatulas, puts him in his room for hour time outs for lying... I told this young psycho to be "NO, WE DON'T GO TO CHURCH, WE DON'T NEED TO"...

Lots and lots of people like to believe that the cloak of Jesus Christ is large enough to cover their darkness...it ISN'T. For some reason the little neighbor boy is the THIRD kid of a 'christian' mom who is spanked with a tool or weapon. That creepy Dobson must advocate the usage of spatulas on tiny children. This kid was always demanding I discipline my kid (we watched him for a few weeks)---and was really curious when I told him, "no I don't hit my boy with tools, he has gotten spanked a few times-but it's been a while-no, hitting just makes one become a hitter"...due to HIS emotionally disturbing behavior we don't watch him any more, in fact, none of the other kids like him at all and my boy won't even play with him.

To sum up-the local 'christians' around us always want to know if we go to church, what church and we should go to their church.

One parent enabled his 'friend' to molest his own daughter and wanted my boy to spend the night at his house

All three that I am around hit their kids ages ONE - nine with spatulas.

John's essay hit harmonic chords with me!
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Possible alternative title: “The God of George W. Bush is really the devil”)

Proof that Jehovah is really Satan

Many Catholics, Jews, and Christians —George W. Bush, for one —
actually worship the devil



By John Kaminski
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How can a man who claims he gets his orders from God preside over the senseless slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent civilians after lying to the nation he leads about the reasons he ordered the mass murder to begin with?

Is that man simply insane? Or is the God he pretends to talk to insane? (The larger question — how is that millions of otherwise ordinary people can pretend he’s normal? — will be addressed a little later.)

A quick glimpse into the commentaries of Gnostic Christianity provides some perspective on the matter.





On the one hand we read that “It is impossible for God to lie”, and on the other hand we read of the god Jehovah deceiving and lying. On the one hand we read that “God is love” and “love is not jealous”, and on the other hand we read that Jehovah is a jealous god. On the one hand, we read the Sermon on the Mount and its call to pacifism, gentleness, altruism, and that we should “be perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect”, and on the other hand we read of the savage, vile, bloodthirsty, and murderous acts of the god Jehovah. On the one had we are told “God is Love” and we have Love clearly defined for us in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, and on the other hand we see the god Jehovah behaving in a truly Satanic fashion of undiluted evil. Are we really reading of only one God here? Or is it obvious to you by now we are reading of two deities, one a pretender and one the Supreme Being?


— Stephen A. Hoeller



My good friend, the noted spiritualist and health and nutrition expert Mary Sparrowdancer <http://www.sparrowdancer.com/>, and I share a perspective on religious teachings that has profoundly bothered us both for many years — namely, that the bountiful and sublime spirit most of us generally regard as the supreme being who created the universe is depicted as a beastly psychopath by many written descriptions in the Old Testament of the Bible.

How can the venal, small-minded killer featured in such cruel rants as Leviticus and Deuteronomy turn into the compassionate and loving holy father who inspired millions to follow the gentle teachings of Jesus to live kind and compassionate lives?

"I have been working to reveal this information for sixteen years," Mary wrote, "but the writer whose link is below seems to have summed everything up quite nicely, so I am passing it along to you. It is accurate, including his Hebrew, and I have written small articles in the past making similar points being made here. This is important. It answers a lot of questions. This is the god of George W. Bush ... revealed."

http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/theology/JEH...ah_unmasked.htm

Now, if you have two or three hours to intensely contemplate this revealing exegesis of the difference between the Old and New Testament Gods, I strongly recommend you undertake it. But if you like me are trapped in the frantic pace of contemporary reality, please permit me this brief analysis of some of the important ideas contained in this enlightening mini-book.

The extended essay in question is “Jehovah Unmasked” by Nathaniel J. Merritt, a religious refugee who after a long and disturbing quest found his spiritual home in Gnostic Christianity.

Merritt recounts his harrowing journey through a bizarre sequence of disturbing religious experiences: from “the spiritual darkness” of being a Jehovah’s Witnesses (“Never has there been a more disturbed, Orwellian, mentally and spiritually oppressed group of people on this planet.”), and his escape into the Jesus Movement of the late 1960s (“Though the Witnesses are incredibly negative, at least they do not teach that unbelievers will be roasted for eternity in a hell of fire. However, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, and Pentecostal Christians do teach such a hideous, evil doctrine.”)

Then he escaped into Buddhism’s “calm, clear rationality” before discovering the emptiness of its philosophy stressing people have “no self, no spirit, no soul, but are merely biological machines.” Ultimately he discovered his spiritual satisfaction comfort in Gnostic Christianity, but on the way discovered “that the universe is fundamentally flawed, and that a malevolent intelligence or intelligences lurk behind the flawed nature of the cosmos.”

Point by point Merritt examines the fundamental questions that all religiously oriented minds eventually ask, beginning with this conundrum: “If God is all-powerful, then God is not all good. If God is all good, then God is not all-powerful.”

Quickly he jumps into the suspicious nature of the creation of the New Testament, constructed by a politicized vote process at various conclaves over time. “Bible-believing fundamentalists ... are willfully ignorant of the historically verifiable process by which the canon was selected.”

According to Merritt and other Gnostic writers, the discovery in 1945 of the Nag Hammadi gospels in Egypt provided an invaluable litmus for determining which of the Scriptures were politically inspired by smallminded powerseekers and which genuinely pertain to altruistic teachings about a divine being.

Merritt’s explanation is the typical Gnostic perspective.

“The solution to the problem of evil which the Scriptures of the Gnostic (Knowing) Christians explain, and which the Catholic church violently rejected, is simply this: The spiritual realms were made by our Heavenly Father, the all-good and loving Father of whom Jesus spoke. This material universe is the creation of a lesser god, a very distant descendant of the Absolute God. This lesser god was unable or unwilling to create a universe free of suffering and death. The True God, however, has been active through the Holy Spirit and various divinities such as Wisdom (Sophia), Life (Zoe) and Grace (Charis), to bring us a direct Knowing of the Divine. This activity culminated in Jesus Christ.”

The original question of this essay has two parts: first, why can so many people worship an entity whose track record of emotional behavior throughout the Old Testament is, when not downright criminal, a complete embarrassment to all those who call themselves religious? And second, how does this faulty behavioral conditioning pertain to the contemporary troubles of the world?

I mean, take a close look at these psychotic pronouncements, as Merritt describes them:

Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. THEIR CHILDREN ALSO SHALL BE DASHED TO PIECES BEFORE THEIR EYES; their houses shall be spoiled, AND THEIR WIVES RAPED." Isaiah 13:15-16. (Here Jehovah/Satan not only commands the murder of children, but also commands the rape of women! Is this the behavior of a God of Love? Or is this clearly the behavior of Satan?)

In the chapter titled “The Fable of Jewish Monotheism,” Merritt offers a valuable tip for those who attempt to read the Bible.

“... whenever you see LORD or GOD in all capitals in the Old Testament, the original Hebrew is Jehovah/Yahweh, and it occurs well over six thousand times. The name Jehovah is normally covered up by LORD and GOD because of a Jewish superstition that regards the name as too sacred to pronounce. This superstition was carried over into Christianity. However, Jehovah was simply considered the Chief God among many gods by the ancient Hebrews, not the only god ....”

But beyond questions about identification are questions of intent, and the deity who emerges from the pages of the Old Testament is simply nothing to write home about. Again, Merritt is devastatingly descriptive:

As you can see, the god that emerges from the pages of the Old Testament is a terrifying insane thug, far worse than Adolph Hitler. It is a truly satanic god. Torturing and killing multitudes in fits of rage, ordering the slaughter of millions (even babies and infants) over and over again. Losing its temper constantly, always angry and destroying and frightful. Jehovah is an egomaniacal murderous despot. That is why Jehovah uses the title "LORD of hosts". The church language of English translations often covers up the actual meaning of the underlying Hebrew words. Such is the case with the term "LORD of hosts" which is actually "Jehovah of armies!" The Old Testament even says "Jehovah is a Man of War, Jehovah is his name." (Exodus 15:3, American Standard Version of 1901) Contrast "Jehovah is a Man of War" with the words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount: "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God." (Matthew 5:9) I gave an early draft of this booklet to a fundamentalist friend, and after he read this section detailing the evil vicious insane murderous acts of Jehovah god, he began to spout nonsense about Jehovah’s satanic behavior being a demonstration of “holiness”. Needless to say, anyone who equates such vile evil with “holiness” is a few bricks shy of a load. Completely hopelessly brainwashed. Holy beings do not throw temper tantrums and destroy things and murder people.

“The most telling verse of all as to the real identity of the god Jehovah is Isaiah 45:7,” Merritt writes.

"I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create evil. I the LORD (Jehovah) do all these things." (Modern translations of the Bible change "evil" to "calamity" or some other word in an attempt to cover this revealing verse up. The Hebrew word is "ra" and means evil)

Who but Satan could be the creator of evil and darkness? Well? Tell me! As Acts 26:18 says "To OPEN THEIR EYES, and to turn them from DARKNESS to LIGHT, and from the power of SATAN unto GOD."

How much more obvious can it be? “Jehovah” is SATAN!

Another powerful contrast is found in one of the best known, best loved sections of the New Testament: the "Love Chapter", chapter 13 of 1 Corinthians.

Starting with verse 4 and ending with verse 8 we read: "Love suffers long and is kind. Love is not jealous. Love does not parade itself. Love is not puffed up. Love does not behave rudely. Love does not seek it's own glory. Love is not provoked. Love thinks no evil. Love does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth. Love bears all things. Love hopes all things. Love endures all things. Love never fails."

Since the Apostle John tells us that "He that loveth not knoweth not God, for GOD IS LOVE" (1 John 4:8), let's read the above verses again: "God suffers long and is kind. God is not jealous. God does not parade Himself. God is not puffed up. God does not behave rudely. God does not seek his own glory. God is not provoked. God thinks no evil. God does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth. God bears all things. God hopes all things. God endures all things. God never fails."

Yet, the god Jehovah says "I, JEHOVAH THY GOD, am a JEALOUS GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me...JEHOVAH, whose name is JEALOUS, is a JEALOUS GOD!" (Exodus 20:5, 34:14, American Standard Version of 1901, emphasis mine) Some modern translations, in an attempt to rehabilitate Jehovah, change the highly accurate translation “jealous” to some less repugnant term
or phrase.

Unlike the God of Love, Jehovah does not suffer anything for long, and is rarely if ever kind. Jehovah is puffed up, and constantly parades himself and seeks his own glory. Jehovah behaves very rudely indeed! Demanding that humans debase themselves before him and quake in fear before him. (Deuteronomy 6:24) Jehovah is easily provoked, and not only thinks evil, but is the very creator of evil. (Isaiah 45:7) Jehovah orders helpless innocent babies be slaughtered, and their blood spilled before him for his bloodthirsty rage to be placated. That is iniquity and Jehovah rejoices in it. Jehovah endures or bears very little, instead demanding that the Israelites obey him blindly and explicitly or suffer a hideous death at his hands. Jehovah fails miserably to live up to the True God of Love described in I Corinthians chapter 13:4-8.

Jehovah is very easily provoked to fits of rage and destruction as chapter nine of this book has shown you. Jehovah orders the slaughter of millions, and even murders vast multitudes of people directly. I ask again, how much more obvious can it be as to Jehovah/Yahweh's real identity? Jehovah is manifestly and clearly none other than SATAN! It is Satan that calls himself Jehovah, and who created this miserable material world of pain, suffering, violence, disease, malfunction, old age, and death. He has trapped us here.

Merritt is adamant that long ago, Christian believers were duped.

Clearly, something terrible happened early on to the Christian faith, to its teachings, to its scriptures, as the early Catholic church took root and enforced its grisly, monstrous god and horrible version of the gospel on the Christian people. As Thomas Jefferson said "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power for themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ." At the point of a sword, in its pursuit of earthly power and riches, it used the methods of its god Jehovah/Satan to enforce its doctrines of devils upon the people of God. The light of the gospel was nearly extinguished by the darkness of Catholicism. The false god Jehovah took the place of the True God as the Great Apostasy began. The Reformation was a good start, but the reforming process must continue as we strive to recover the original Christian message, and the True God revealed by Jesus.

In my superficial and random meanderings through readings in ancient history, I have come to the personal conclusion that Jesus is a fictional, composite character created by politicians of ancient times to create typical religious mind-control propaganda aimed at calming and regimenting the unruly masses. However, let me differentiate between two concepts.

While I believe that all the sayings of Jesus were culled from statements and events of other personages both historical and legendary, this is not to say I do not believe in the power of the idea of Jesus, nor can I deny the beneficial effect it has had in millions of people over the many centuries both before and since its creation. The ideas of loving one’s neighbor as oneself and being as kind to the poor as you are to the rich are universal concepts of compassion enjoyed and practiced by all peoples at all times, and the concept of loving hope invested in the prodigal son who will redeem mankind by his noble acts have inspired followers from time immemorial, whether the object of that hopeful affection has been named Tammuz or Osiris or Marduk or Mithra.

But what about all those people who go to church on Sunday and believe what they are told without digging any deeper? Certainly they are stupid and gullible. But are they insane? What are we to make of America’s evangelical Christians, who support President Bush’s campaign of mass murder throughout the world based on the twisted logic their preachers tell them that comes straight from the sociopathic drivel uttered by the mad god Jehovah in the pages of the Old Testament?

In Merritt’s view (and mine, as well), these demented people are worshipping the devil, and that’s a principal reason why for the last 1700 years we have had righteous warriors butchering the less fortunate and claiming they’re doing it in the name of God.

Here’s an extra-credit question. Where does this leave Torah-true Jews?

Let me explain a bit. Devotees of Judaism follow the teachings of two holy books, the Torah and the Talmud. The Torah is the same as the Pentateuch, which are the first five books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Compared to the Old Testament (or Torah) which we have just been discussing, the Talmud is much worse. It depicts Jesus as forever hanging upside down in a cauldron of excrement, and generally provides repeated excuses for Jews to regard all non-Jews as subhuman, stressing that there is never a penalty when Jew kills or robs a non-Jew because non-Jews are merely cattle.

So, when I hear Jewish excuses for Israel’s genocide against Palestinians or their lying about everything to everyone else (remind me to tell you someday about the Kol Nidre oath), and then I hear that some “Torah-true” Jews oppose Israel’s murderous policies of deceit and destruction, I’m not exactly overwhelmed with a warm and fuzzy feeling of security, because the “Torah-true” or “good” Jews base their philosophies upon this Old Testament material which Merritt has just finished describing as the teachings of Jehovah who is really Satan. Just thought I’d mention this. Much more on this in future essays.

In the enclosed link listed above, Nathaniel Merritt has constructed a very clear and compelling description of the true intent of the Old Testament, which is to rule people by fear and threats, and urge the killing, robbing, and raping of all those who oppose what he says. This is not the consensus conception of God in the minds of any compassionate and conscious human being.

Most importantly to us contemporary humans, what kind of light does this put on our current debate, with a murderous president establishing all these “faith-based initiatives,” with millions of evangelical so-called Christians clamoring for the death and destruction of dark-skinned Muslims, and allying themselves with Jews, who in their holy books claim Jesus resides forever hung upside down in a dung-filled pit?

Isn’t it obvious that this God so many use to justify their evil deeds is exactly the opposite, and is instead the hateful beast Jesus supposedly preached against.

One need only look out into the world and see the dead innocents bleeding in the radioactive dust of Iraq to know that the God used to justify these wanton acts of pure evil is certainly not the supreme being we all turn to in times of stress, and who showers his love on all life in the universe.

Jehovah, the Old Testament maniac upon whom so many Catholics, Christians and Jews base their whole lives, is clearly Satan. This is why our beautiful world has remained so ugly all these many centuries, and why we are in such profound danger now at this very moment.

If you try to deny this assertion, may God — the real one, not the ancient sociopath — forgive you.




John Kaminski, whose essays are seen on hundreds of websites around the world, is the author of “America’s Autopsy Report,” “The Day America Died,” and his newest collection,“The Perfect Enemy,” all of which are available at http://www.johnkaminski.com/



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THE REBEL JESUS
There is a song composed and sung by Jackson Browne which sums up so beautifully just how totally opposed to the true concept of Jesus Christ, is this country in general, and Christianity in particular.

It is called The Rebel Jesus.

It says:

The streets are filled with laughter and light and the music of the season

And the merchants windows are all bright with the faces of the children

And the families hurrying to their homes as the sky darkens and freezes

Will be gathering around their hearths and tables giving thanks for Gods graces

And the birth of the rebel Jesus.


They call him by the Prince of Peace and they call him by the Saviour

And they pray to him upon the sea and in every bold endeavour
And they fill his churches with their pride and gold as their faith in him increases

But they’ve turned the nature that I worship in from a temple to a robber’s den

In the words of the rebel Jesus


We guard our world with locks and guns and we guard our fine possessions

And once a year when Christmas comes we give to our relations

And perhaps we give a little to the poor If the generosity should seize us

But if anyone of us should interfere in the business of why there are poor

They get the same as the rebel Jesus


But pardon me if I have seemed to take the tone of judgment

For I’ve no wish to come between this day of your enjoyment

In a life of hardship and of earthly toil there’s a need for anything that frees us

So I bid you pleasure and I bid you cheer from a heathen and a pagan

On the side of the rebel Jesus.

Wonderful words from Jackson Browne. Particulary the last line I bid you pleasure from a heathen and a pagan on the side of the rebel Jesus.

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Posted: Oct 16 2004, 05:28 AM
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Pupp, yet , your Pagan. wink.gif You have good company in us "sinners" though. lol


You know just the other day I had one of those "hmmmm" moments.

I was sitting at school waiting for my next class to start and we were discussing religious colleges. (I have to decide where to continue my studies as Im in a community college right now) Anyway, one of the local choices is a religious college. They offer the exact program in education that I want and look vert good on a resume'. Problem is though they require you to sign a statement of faith. blink.gif Now I am not a hypocrit. I will not sign something I dont believe even if the college is perfect in every other way. I mentioned this and we started discussing it. One lady said she was a christian too but had a hard time with the statement to, for me not to feel bad. I looked at her funny and said, well I dont know exactly what you would call my faith exactly. (I really didnt want to hijack to topic with the horrifying declaration of Paganism) lol But before I could continue she interupted and said, "Oh your definately christian". I asked her why she thought this and she said, "because your so nice". ??? Only christians are nice? Others around agreed. So I said, well I dont think the only prerequisite for being a christian was being nice and that people of other faiths were nice also. They all disagreed with me! They said non christian faithed people were strange, rude and generally not nice. So I asked them how many non christian people they knew. Oh, we know several, they said. Like this one guy here or this one girl there. I said you dont even know there names but they shared their religion with you? Oh no, they said, we could just tell. upsetforgiven.gif


Argh! So I very politely said that while I did agree with most of Jesus' teachings I would definately not consider myself a Christian which in my opinion isnt about christ anyway, its Paulism. I thanked them for thinking I was nice though and I was glad I could have a small effect on changing their views that only "christians" were nice.

Of course then they asked what I believed. I said would it matter on how you viewed me? Some said maybe, others said no.

I said I believed in love and respect for all living things.

Finding merit and worth in a person by their actions not on their beliefs.

We are all here to learn, grow and gain experience and knowledge before we move on.

But above all else I disagree with labels. Labels pigeon hole people into a certain category whether they fit there or not. Labels give people reasons to hate you or love you on the basis of a preconcieved notion.

They want to know know I call myself?

I call myself (insert my name here). wink.gif





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"The things I have seen, the many things, have long now faded far, only three come clear now back to me: a Cloud, a Tree, a Star."
~From The Death of St. Brendan


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