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Posted: Aug 25 2004, 01:12 AM
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This is getting really good now. They were apparently the ones who also educated the Sumerians...

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The arrival of the Tuatha De Danaan was not only shrouded in mystery, but was so strange to the local people that they had to create a rational explanation as to how they appeared...

They were recorded as having landed in Northern Ireland from Scotland on a day which was later to be termed Beltaine, better known as May Day - 1st of May. It was stated that, after burning their ships, they surrounded themselves with a mist of draoideacht, which means 'magic' or 'sorcery' and marched inland for three days. By this means they hid themselves from the local inhabitants - the Firbolg - until they reached Sliabh-an-lerainn, the Mountain of Iron in Co. Leitrim, where they were first seen.

Effectively speaking, the locals tried to explain away the fact that these strange visitors appeared, literally, out of thin air ... and down off the mountain, quoted as having come 'out of nowhere' and 'out of the heavens'. Eachaid Ua Flainn, a poet who died in A.D.985 says "They had no vessels.... No one really knows whether it was over the heavens, or out of the heavens, or out of the earth that they came. Were they demons of the devil... were they men?"

The Tuatha appeared as tall, fair haired, 'shining-faced' sages with a highly organised small group of highly skilled leaders, artisans and craftmen. They were remembered for teaching the Irish people agricultural skills and animal husbandry.

It's interesting to note that according to the traditions of the Tuatha de Danaan, they had spent seven years in the north of Scotland before reaching Ireland, at places named Dobhar and Iardahar. Before Scotland, they had spent some years in Lochlonn, which has been equated with Scandinavia. In modern Gaelic, Lochlainn refers to the state of Denmark, and it seems a rather interesting coincidence that the Danes call their country Danmark; the land of the Dan people.

Apparently the Tuatha De Danaan were welcomed to Scandinavia where they settled in four cities where they taught to the young. Sages, resident in the cities were there to 'teach the sciences and the varied arts'. Prior to their teachings there, they apparently came from a place called Achaia.

It may be a tenuous link, but a region called Achaiyah, north of Mount Hermon, Syria is sited as being a possible site for Kharsag, the homeland of The Annage the so called 'Shining Ones' - great teacher gods of Sumerian tradition. These were the gods of the Sumerians who began the cradle of Western civilisation in the Mesopotanian Valley.

The Sumerians ruled the region from at least 4000 B.C. and there is still a certain degree of mystery as to the sudden rise of culture of the indigenous population - which they, themselves, attributed to the influence of their teacher gods.


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This is a very interesting thread! There was a little research done on the Azazel thread at GLP, which touched on the migration of the tribe of Dan. We tracked them to the Phoenicians, then to the Celts. And much in between. How nice to see more of this right here! It's just too bad that I am missing those pages.

Thanks, both of you, PuPP and DarmonVing.

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Oh, happiness! I'm NOT missing all of the pages. Just had the info filed under Merovingians\Tribe of Dan. This is what I found on the Tuatha de Danaan:

The Greek historian Herodotus reveals that some of the ancient Greeks actually came from Egypt, and that the ancestor of the Dorian princes in southern Greece was a certain "Danae, the daughter of Acrisus" (Herodotus, VI, 1, iii).

The Irish word "tuath" means literally "a tribe" or "people." These people were the tribe of DAN of Biblical fame! They came from the Greek "Danaans," and were the same people as the tribe of Dan.

In Ireland, today, we find their customary evidence -- their place names -- in abundance. Such names as Dans-Lough, Dan-Sower, Dan-Monism, Dun-dalke, Dun-drum, Don-egal Bay, Don-egal City, Dun-glow and Lon-don-derry, as well as Din-gle, Dun-garven and Duns-more, which means "MORE DANS." Of course, the most famous Irish ballad of all time is the song, "Danny Boy." It should be plain that the country of Ireland is replete, filled with names which derive from the ancient patriarch of the Hebrews -- DAN, the son of Jacob! It should be plain that the ancient Danites settled in Ireland, and most of them dwell in that land, today.

The Irish word "tuath" means literally "a tribe" or "people." These people were the tribe of DAN of Biblical fame! They came from the Greek "Danaans," and were the same people as the tribe of Dan.

From Greece, then, the tribe of Dan -- the Tuatha de Danaan -- travelled by ship through the Mediterranean Sea, and thence up the coast of Europe to Ireland and Scandinavia.

"In process of time, theTuatha-de-Danaan were themselves dispossessed of their sway; a successive invasion from the coast of SPAIN having put and end to the Danaanian dynasty, and transferred the sceptre into the hands of that Milesian or SCOTIC race, which through so long a series of succeeding ages, supplied Ireland with her kings.

The Tuatha de Danaan were beyond doubt of the tribe of Dan, of Israelitish fame. The new tribe, the Milesian Scots, were no doubt of the royal tribe of Judah -- through his son Zarah.

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/i000035a.htm

(There is also a connection between Samson of the OT and the tribe of Dan! That's quite a story in itself!)

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Here they are described as the SHINING ONES. rolleyes.gif Could the shining ones also be the Illuminati? - I think so.


This is turning out to be a really informative thread and I think that I can add a few pieces of information for you to kick around. First of all, it does seem that the Tribe of Dan and the Tuatha de Danaan could be one and the same but as far as them being the Illuminati, I'm really not sure about that one. It seems that according to some of the accounts that they were the opposite of what we now know as the Illuminati.

I noticed this one quote from the information that DV posted.

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The Tuatha De Danann were a race with magical powers. They were handsome and learned and except art and science, they were the supreme masters of wizardry. In the mythological cycle their place is among the Irnmortals. They were later classified as demons or fallen angels by the scholars.


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I know that this quote could be considered to be controversial but there's just something about it that makes sense considering the situation that we are in now.

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Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist. In the context of these prophecies, Samson's riddle may be a prophecy that the descendants of the tribe of Dan will one day try to destroy the tribe of Judah in jealous revenge for God's judgment on their idolatry. From the carcass of the young lion [Judaism] the tribe of Dan [typified by the bees] will attempt to produce a golden age [symbolized by honey]. To suggest that the Antichrist will be a Jew is likely to incur accusations of "anti-Semitism" from those who would like to conceal this fact. However, we believe that the Biblical admonition to bless the descendants of Abraham includes exposing the identity of the man of sin who will lead many Jews to their destruction.

The Merovingians <priory.html>, who plan to rule the world from their future throne at Jerusalem, claim to come from the tribe of Judah through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. However, the weight of evidence indicates that they descended from the tribe of Dan. Although Scripture states that Samson was “of the family of the Danites” [Judges 13:2], Yair Davidy of Brit-Am Israel claims that his lineage includes the Messianic tribe of Judah: “Samson the superman hero came from the Tribe of Dan but his mother was from Judah. Samson, in some respects, was considered a forerunner of the Messiah who will come from Judah but his mother, according to the Midrash will be of the Tribe of Dan.” [Brit-Am Israel newsletter, 2/9/99]

http://watch.pair.com/dan.html

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The tribe of Dan seems to have been omitted for one or more reasons with one being that they themselves wanted to avoid being detected or someone wanted to erase any trace of their existense.
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Q: I have often asked why the Tribe of Dan is omitted from Revelation 7:5-8. I can find no explanation in Scripture. Do you have any explanation? How do you handle it when people conjecture the reason (e.g., the Tribe of Dan has died out; the Tribe of Dan has committed some unpardonable sin against God, etc.)?

A: Concerning why the Tribe of Dan is left out, every reason people give will always be nothing but guesswork. The simple answer is that the Bible does not say why Dan has been left out. No specific sin (like idolatry) could be leveled against Dan that would not be true of the other tribes as well. Furthermore, it is impossible to say that Dan has disappeared because in Ezekiel 47:13-48:35, where he deals with the restored Israel in the Messianic Kingdom, he points out that the tribes will be resettled in tribal divisions, and that includes the Tribe of Dan (48:1-2). While people try to find all kinds of possible theological reasons why the Tribe of Dan is left out, again, it is all guesswork. Actually, the reason might be quite simple: to maintain the symmetry of twelve. If you have to make a list of all the tribes, you would end up with thirteen names and not twelve since the Tribe of Joseph was split into two distinct tribes: Ephraim and Manassah. If you had to maintain the figure twelve, you would have to leave one name out. Revelation seven left out the Tribe of Dan. This is not unusual. In Deuteronomy 33, Moses pronounces the blessings of the Twelve Tribes and he left out the Tribe of Simeon. Because a lot more people study Revelation than they do the Book of Deuteronomy, I have not found anybody wrestling with why the Tribe of Simeon is left out and no guesses are given. The fact is that the Tribe of Simeon was probably left out only to maintain the symmetry of the figure twelve. Deuteronomy left out Simeon and Revelation left out Dan, and there is no need to make any more of it.

http://www.ariel.org/qadan.html
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In this very familiar seal, the eagle has a death grip on the arrows which are 13 in number. Could this mean that the 13th tribe has become enslaved? unsure.gif
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Now look at the American Eagle on the Official Emblem of the United States of America and you will see that in its left-claws it holds ARROWS, 13 of them. Britannia, in the full picture, sits under an OLIVE tree and in the normal picture of her she holds an OLIVE-branch in her hand. The American Eagle has in its right-claws an OLIVE branch, with 13 olives and 13 leaves on it. Israel, in Scripture, is referred to (metaphorically) as God's Wife and therefore, accordingly, Britannia is a WOMAN not a man, as one would expect a soldier-emblem to be.

Joseph/Manasseh; which was one half-tribe of Joseph; was known as the 13th tribe of Israel. If we look at American Symbols we will see 13 over and over again. There are 13 stripes on the shield and on the national flag - "the Stars and Stripes". There were 13 founding states of America, and for those people who are tempted to say this is merely a coincidence; a man once said, wisely, that coincidence is only God (in Whom we trust) working anonymously.

On the American Presidential Seal above the Eagle's head there are 13 stars (Genesis 15:5; 22:17; 26:4 and 50 on the flag) and above them 13 spheres of cloud.

As the Danites have intermingled with Joseph/Manasseh (E PLURIBUS UNUM - "out of many: one") and the Danites were the judges in ancient Israel, who are no longer to be needed in the New Age because Christ is to be the only Judge in His Kingdom on Earth; soon; that is one of the reasons why there is no reference to the Israelite tribe of Dan in the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse in chapter 7, which lists the tribes that enter the New Jerusalem <noah.htm> - the City that comes down out of the sky in chapter 21:2, 10. - JAH.

http://www.anycities.com/jahtruth/amerca.htm

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And why did some of them apparently flee to America and why were the "Americans" so intent on exterminating the native population? I found this at Cyberspace Orbit BTW.
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MYSTERY OF THE MANDAN: THE WELCH NATIONS

The Definitive Journals of Lewis and Clark

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The great River is called by the Natives the Mult-no-mack [Multnomah] River; it is 500 Yards wide at its mouth; & continues that width, as high up, as where we ascended it. The Indian guide that was with us, told us that it heads Near the head Waters of the California, ... Our guide also mentioned that he had seen one of the Indians of the Clark-a-mus Nation, & that this Indian was white, & that he mentioned they had fire Arms among them. From the above information received from our guide,

I am of opinion, that if any Welch nation of Indians are in existence, it must be those Indians, & not the flatt head Nation, as before mentioned; this I believe, from their Colour, numbers of Town, & fire arms among them, which I flatter myself will be confirmed, whenever the River Mult-no-mack is fully explored. April 02, 1806 Joseph Whitehouse, Lewis and Clark Expedition

...our officers told them taht we would Speak to them tomorrow and tell th[em] who we were and what our business is and where we are going &C. these natives are well dressed, descent looking Indians. light complectioned. they are dressed in mo Sheep leather Deer & buffalow robes &C. they have the most curious language of any we have Seen before. they talk as though they lisped or have a bur on their tongue. we Suppose that they are the welch Indians if their is any Such from the language. they have leather lodtes to leive in some other Skins among them. they tell us that they or Some of them have Seen bearded men towards the ocean, but they cannot give us any accurate [account] of the ocean but we have 4 mountains to cross to go where they saw white men which was on a river as we suppose the Columbian River. April 02, 1806 Joseph Whitehouse, Lewis and Clark Expedition
...amongst the women particularly, there are many whose skins are almost white, with the most pleasing symmetry and proportion of features; with hazel, with grey, and with blue eyes, -- with mildness and sweetness of expression, and excessive modesty of demeanour, which rentier them exceedingly pleasing and beautiful.

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback29.html

And finally, there are a few Native American prophesies concerning a thirteenth tribe emerging or being made up of members of twelve tribes. I did find one Cree prophecy that I would like to add here.

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Warriors of the Rainbow

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There was an old lady, from the Cree tribe, named Eyes of Fire, who prophesied that one day, because of the white mans' or Yo-ne-gis' greed, there would come a time, when the fish would die in the streams, the birds would fall from the air, the waters would be blackened, and the trees would no longer be, mankind as we would know it, would all but cease to exist.

There would come a time when the "keepers of the legend, stories, culture rituals, and myths, and all the Ancient Tribal Customs" would be needed to restore us to health. They would be mankinds' key to survival, they were the "Warriors of the Rainbow".

There would come a day of awakening when all the peoples of all the tribes would form a New World of Justice, Peace, Freedom and recognition of the Great Spirit. The "Warriors of the Rainbow" would spread these messages and teach all peoples of the Earth or "Elohi". They would teach them how to live the "Way of the Great Spirit".

They would tell them of how the world today has turned away from the Great Spirit and that is why our Earth is "Sick". The "Warriors of the Rainbow" would show the peoples that this "Ancient Being" (the Great Spirit), is full of love and understanding, and teach them how to make the Earth or "Elohi" beautiful again.

These Warriors would give the people principles or rules to follow to make their path right with the world. These principles would be those of the Ancient Tribes. The Warriors of the Rainbow would teach the people of the ancient practices of Unity, Love and Understanding. They would teach of Harmony among people in all four corners of the Earth.

Like the Ancient Tribes, they would teach the people how to pray to the Great Spirit with love that flows like the beautiful mountain stream, and flows along the path to the ocean of life. Once again, they would be able to feel joy in solitude and in councils. They would be free of petty jealousies and love all mankind as their brothers, regardless of color, race or religion. They would feel happiness enter their hearts, and become as one with the entire human race. Their hearts would be pure and radiate warmth, understanding and respect for all mankind, Nature, and the Great Spirit.

They would once again fill their minds, hearts, souls, and deeds with the purest of thoughts. They would seek the beauty of the Master of Life -- the Great Spirit! They would find strength and beauty in prayer and the solitudes of life. Their children would once again be able to run free and enjoy the treasures of Nature and Mother Earth.

Free from the fears of toxins and destruction, wrought by the Yo-ne-gi and his practices of greed. The rivers would again run clear, the forests be abundant and beautiful, the animals and birds would be replenished. The powers of the plants and animals would again be respected and conservation of all that is beautiful would become a way of life.

The poor, sick and needy would be cared for by their brothers and sisters of the Earth. These practices would again become a part of their daily lives. The leaders of the people would be chosen in the old way -- not by their political party, or who could speak the loudest, boast the most, or by name calling or mud slinging, but by those whose actions spoke the loudest. Those who demonstrated their love, wisdom, and courage and those who showed that they could and did work for the good of all, would be chosen as the leaders or Chiefs.

They would be chosen by their "quality" and not the amount of money they had obtained. Like the thoughtful and devoted "Ancient Chiefs", they would understand the people with love, and see that their young were educated with the love and wisdom of their surroundings.

They would show them that miracles can be accomplished to heal this world of its ills, and restore it to health and beauty. The tasks of these "Warriors of the Rainbow" are many and great.

There will be terrifying mountains of ignorance to conquer and they shall find prejudice and hatred. They must be dedicated, unwavering in their strength, and strong of heart. They will find willing hearts and minds that will follow them on this road of returning "Mother Earth" to beauty and plenty -- once more.

The day will come, it is not far away. The day that we shall see how we owe our very existence to the people of all tribes that have maintained their culture and heritage. Those that have kept the rituals, stories, legends, and myths alive. It will be with this knowledge, the knowledge that they have preserved, that we shall once again return to "harmony" with Nature, Mother Earth, and mankind.

It will be with this knowledge that we shall find our "Key to our Survival".

http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/lore133.html


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Here is some more that we can add to the mix.

Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist. In the context of these prophecies, Samson´s riddle may be a prophecy that the descendants of the tribe of Dan will one day try to destroy the tribe of Judah in jealous revenge for God´s judgment on their idolatry. From the carcass of the young lion [Judaism] the tribe of Dan [typified by the bees] will attempt to produce a golden age [symbolized by honey]. To suggest that the Antichrist will be a Jew is likely to incur accusations of "anti-Semitism" from those who would like to conceal this fact. However, we believe that the Biblical admonition to bless the descendants of Abraham includes exposing the identity of the man of sin who will lead many Jews to their destruction.

The Merovingians, who plan to rule the world from their future throne at Jerusalem, claim to come from the tribe of Judah through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. However, the weight of evidence indicates that they descended from the tribe of Dan. Although Scripture states that Samson was “of the family of the Danites” [Judges 13:2], Yair Davidy of Brit-Am Israel claims that his lineage includes the Messianic tribe of Judah: “Samson the superman hero came from the Tribe of Dan but his mother was from Judah. ...

It is through the agency of the British-Israel movement that the Gentiles are being prepared to submit to the Noahide Laws under a restored Sanhedrin. Yair Davidy posits, “The name DAN means “judge” in Hebrew. Many lawyers and judges in the USA are of Irish descent of a particular type as is much of the police force . . . Descendants of Dan today appear to be concentrated in Ireland, Britain, the USA, and especially Denmark.” [Ibid.] Merovingians can also be found leading pseudo-Christian organizations as many profiles in the Council for National Policy and Discernment Ministries reveal. These British-Israel agents actively promote the Hebrew Roots / Messianic Movement as the catalyst for Judaizing Christians.

The following paper is meant to serve as a study guide for understanding the enigmatic design of Satan to use the apostate tribe of Dan as an instrument and cover for a false messiah. The reader will be able to review the many Scriptures which concern the tribe of Dan -- the prophecies, the Danite people, their land, history, idolatry and symbols -- in conjunction with relevant information from other sources. A chapter of Guardians of the Grail by J.R. Church provides further insights on The Roots of the Merovingians.

NOTE: A paper follows the above, "The Lost Tibe of Dan", with its history. Worth reading through.

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/dan.htm

The following agrees with Seralia's findings of the symbol of Dan:

The tribal emblem of the Danites was a snake (sic) with a serpent in its claws. Interestingly, Josephus records a letter written by the Lacedemonian Greeks to the Jews in which they express their kinship to the Jews. Their seal, that of the tribe of Dan, was affixed to the epistle -- an eagle with a dragon (serpent) in its claws!

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/i000035a.htm


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Here is something very interesting concerning Samson:

The King of the PHILISTINES

And behold, the seed of SAMSON reigned over the PHILISTINES. And SAMSON was of the seed of DAN, [one] of the twelve sons of JACOB, and he was the son of handmaid of JACOB;... But he transgressed the commandment of God, and came and married a daughter of the uncircumcised PHILISTINES. And because of this God was wroth, and He delivered him into the hands of men of the uncircumcised PHILISTINES, and they blinded his eyes, and they made him act the buffoon in the house of their king. And he pulled the roof down upon them, and slew seven hundred thousand of them, and during his life he slew seven hundred thousand of them with iron, and stone, and [his] staff, and the jaw-bone of an ass. For their number was as that of the locusts, until he released ISRAEL from the service of the PHILISTINES.

...And then DALÎLÂ (DELILAH) conceived by SAMSON, and whilst she was with child SAMSON died with the PHILISTINES; and DELILAH brought forth a son and she called p. 138 his name "MENAHEM", which is, being interpreted, "Seed of the strong man".

...Now DELILAH was the sister of MAKSÂBÂ, the wife of the King of the PHILISTINES, and when SAMSON slew the King of the PHILISTINES in the house with his people and his household, and he died with him, DELILAH went to her sister MAKSÂBÂ, the Queen of the PHILISTINES. Now both women were beautiful, and they had no children, but both had conceived; MAKSÂBÂ had been with child six months by ḲWÔLÂSÔN, the King of the PHILISTINES, and DELILAH had been with child four months by SAMSON; and the husbands of both were dead.

... And the people seated the son of MAKSÂBÂ on the throne of his father, and made him king over the PHILISTINES.

(Later)...ṬEBRÊLÊS, the son of MAKSÂBÂ, the King of the PHILISTINES....(after a quarrel)...’AKÊMÊḤÊL, the son of Delilah, drew his sword and cut off his head....

And they took him (son of Delilah) and set him on the throne, and they prepared a feast, and rejoiced. And from that time onward the son of SAMSON reigned over them, and there was none who transgressed his commandment—now he committed this act [of murder] fif[teen] winters after he was born—and the kingdom of the PHILISTINES became his and his seed´s after him. Therefore, beloved, it is well known that the kingdom of the PHILISTINES belongeth to the seed of SHEM.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/kn/kn080.htm

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This is a sort of P.S. "Their seal, that of the tribe of Dan, was affixed to the epistle -- an eagle with a dragon (serpent) in its claws!"

This differs from the US eagle as Seralia described, but isn't it the symbol of Mexico? On their coins is an eagle with a serpent in its talons.

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This is a sort of P.S.  "Their seal, that of the tribe of Dan, was affixed to the epistle -- an eagle with a dragon (serpent) in its claws!"

This differs from the US eagle as Seralia described, but isn't it the symbol of Mexico?  On their coins is an eagle with a serpent in its talons.

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The national symbol of Mexico is the eagle with a snake in its talons which would mean that Tribe of Dan was down there.

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I think I read in one of DarmonVing's posts that either the Aztecs or Incas said that a red haired race had originally built their temples. unsure.gif Small world isn't it? blink.gif

This is supposedly why the Eagle and the snake are Mexico's National Symbol.

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The Aztecs migrated into the Mesa Central from the north and fulfilled a tribal prophesy by establishing a city where an eagle with a snake in its beak rested on a cactus. This became the national symbol of Mexico and adorns the country's flag and official seal. The Aztecs founded the city of Tenochtitlan in the early 1300s, and it became the capital of their empire. The Tlaxcalans to the east, the Tarascans on the west, and the Chichimecs in the north were outside the Aztec domain and frequently warred with them. The nation's name derives from the Aztecs' war god, Mexitli.


http://ragz-international.com/mexico.htm

Here's a description of it:

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The National Coat of Arms is featured by an Mexican eagle exposing its left profile, the upper part of the wings in a level higher than plume and slightly displayed in a battle attitude; with the sustenation plumage downwards touching to the tail whose feathers are arranged in natural fan. It puts its left grasp on a bloomed nopal that is born in a rock that emerges from a lake. It is grasping with the right grasp and the beack, in attitude of eat, a curved serpent, so that it harmonizes with the whole. Several "pencas" of the nopal grow to the sides. Two branches, one of encino to the front of the eagle and another one of laurel opposed, form a lower semicircle and they are united by a ribbon divided in three strips that, when the National Coat of Arms is represented in natural colors, correspond to those of the National flag.

When the National Shield reproduces in the reverse side of the National Flag, the Mexican Eagle will appear standing in its right grasp, holding with the left one and the beack the curved serpent.


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Here is part of the quote that DarmonVing posted:

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The Uru claim descent from the demi-god Viracocha, a tall white bearded man, whose sons are said to have founded the city of Tiahuanaco on the shores of Lake Titicaca. The Uru live on reed mats floating in the lake, their gardens also float alongside their residences. The Totora reed is the very same species growing in the crater lake on Easter Island, which was also used by the islanders to make reed rafts. The god that brought the Totora reed from Lake Titicaca to Easter Island is said to be “Ure.”


The Uru were involved with the Incas but they might have had something to do with the Aztec monuments too.

The Uru are also considered to be one of Australia's lost megalithic cultures and this is one of their symbols that was found on one of the rocks there that they say is an altar.

http://www.cryptozoology-zone.com/images/1...ar_fullsize.jpg

It's supposed to be an eagle.

http://www.cryptozoology-zone.com/Uru_eagle_altar.html

This is a good article that was written back in 1979..

Australia's Lost Civilisation

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Around far-off Tiahuanaco high up in the Peruvian Andes live a strange people who call themselves the Uru. They are a fair-skinned race who say in their folklore that they came from across the western ocean from a great continent. There is also another great mystery surrounding archeological remains in both Peru and Yucatan. Here scientists have excavated in recent years human skeletons dating back many thousands of years, which may have been identified as Australoid. What were Australian Aborigines doing in far off South America? At a central western Queensland site, remains of walls and buildings have been unearthed below surface deposits. They are constructed of bricks of a triangular shape whose mortar seems more durable than the bricks themselves. Similar ruins exist in Western Australia and on the north coast of Papua New Guinea. Other mysterious ruins have lately come too light across a wide area of the Papua New Guinea hinterland. Whether or not these remains are evidence of Ancient Egyptian settlement of New Guinea remains uncertain, even though other undoubted remains of Egyptian presence have already come to light.


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Further mystery surrounds the remains of the large-temple like structure built of large stone blocks which stands in the Woomera district of South Australia. If the remains of the submerged ruins of Torres Strait, Queensland, NSW, South Australia and Western Australia pose riddles, how else are we to explain the many stone and earthen pyramidal structures that have been found scattered throughout Queensland and New South Wales-as the work of world travelling Egyptians? These pyramids {to be fully investigated in a future Strange Phenomena}, sometimes hundreds of miles apart, are arranged in definite alignments. Whatever their true purpose, they are undoubted evidence of the presence hearabouts of a highly advanced race of people who built often enormous structures on a grand scale.

These Pyramids, extending over a vast range from Cape York are to be found elsewhere in western Queensland and down the coast through Townsville to northern NSW. They are next met with south of Sydney to Cooma and the Murray River; another may exist in Victoria. That these pyramids were built for astronomical reasons, as well as trappers and conveyors of some natural energy filed, can bee debated. At Gosford on the central coast north of Sydney, there stand large stones amid circular raised earthen mounds. These central stones have been hollowed out saucer fashion into which water was poured, by which the ancient astronomers were able to see a reflection of the heavenly movements at night. Atop a mountain near Gosford is a flat area now covered with trees, but which thousands of years ago would have been cleared.

For here stand sandstone blocks, the remains of some enormous edifice. In the same area upon a flat shoal of rock, are 50 circular symbols some joined by lines, others in formations, representing perhaps movements of certain stars. At another "astronomical observatory" further south near Wyong, atop a flat mountain summit, stands a large rock shoal upon which have ben carved circular markings believed to represent the phases of the moon. Situated at another site deep in the forest country west of Gosford, and standing against a cliffside, is a remarkable "door-like" structure. Constructed of two upright stone pillars. Its purpose beyond some lost ceremonial significance, remains a mystery. South of Sydney near Cambelltown and situated in thick bushland above the Georges River, strange stonework exists which has lain there since before the coming of the early European settlers. Nearby is a large hill whose summit is flattened by a base of stone blocks.

The full view of the heavens in every direction suggests this site to have been an ancient astronomical observatory. Nearby a number of highly polished stone adzes and axes have ben dug up over recent years. The artifacts are unlikely any of the cruder Aboriginal tools found in the district. Residents of the Dapto district north of Wollongong on the NSW south coast still talk about the "Dapto Stonehenge" that until several years ago stood near the town. Consisting of 12 huge boulders arranged in a circle, it was needlessly blown up and bulldozed by a construction team who turned the site into a park. It is believed that the structure had ben built for an ancient astronomical site. In our search for surviving traces of the mysterious lost civilisation of Uru which, it is postulated, occupied the Australian continent perhaps as far back as 25,000 years, let us now examine the sunken pavements of Newcastle NSW, and off the west coast of Tasmania.


http://www.internetezy.com.au/~mj129/strangephenomenonu.html

That's amazing that these advanced people were in Australia as far back as 25 thousand years building pyramids and other types of structures. I think I read something over at GLP about people thinking that the Pyramids in Egypt were the remains of a much older civilization. unsure.gif

More information here:

Pyramids In The Pacific - The Unwritten History Of Australia

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Oh yeah. The Aztecs did mention a red headed race.

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7,590 -- Beginning of the Age of the Third Sun, the Age of the Red Haired People (the first to arrive in America. according to the Aztecs, and presided over by the Fire Serpent), or the Age of Primitive Man (Inca). According to the chronicler Ixtilxochitl [who is reputed to have spent 12 years learning how to pronounce his name], these people were the survivors of the second age who had come by ship from the east to the New World, settling in the area he called Botonchan; they encountered there giants who also survived the second age, and became enslaved by them. The Third Sun lasted 4,081 years, and ended, possibly, due to Quakes and Storms.


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And why did some of them apparently flee to America and why were the "Americans" so intent on exterminating the native population?

You might want to take a look at this Seralia. shock.gif

Dan In America - Part 2 Chapter 2

http://www.uhcg.org/Lost-10-Tribes/tracing-dan5.html


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From JenThom's post: "...how else are we to explain the many stone and earthen pyramidal structures that have been found scattered throughout Queensland and New South Wales-as the work of world travelling Egyptians?" And...

"...a remarkable "door-like" structure. Constructed of two upright stone pillars."
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In the book of Judges, we learn another trait of this tribe. In the song of Deborah and Barak, during the time of the Judges, the song asks, "Why did Dan remain in ships?" (Judges 5:17). Or, "Dan abode in ships." The tribe of Dan was a mighty SEA-FARING tribe, which loved to sail the seas.
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The "Tower people," or Shardana, or tribe of Dan, conquered Corsica around 1400 B.C., the same time Israel entered the Promised Land under Joshua. Their occupation lasted until 800 B.C., or possibly as late as 500 B.C. (about the same time Assyria took Israel into captivity, 718-721 B.C., or near the time of the Babylonian captivity of Judah in 587 B.C.).
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However, other Danites, who dwelt or abode in ships, and who associated themselves with the sea peoples of Tyre and Sidon, fled westward through the Mediterranean when northern Israel fell. Early Danites fled Egypt at the time of the Exodus, and migrated through SarDINia, and left their trail along the sea-coasts of the Mediterranean. Thus Dan, who was a "lion´s whelp" who would "leap from Bashan," leaped all the way to Ireland...
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The true saga of the tribe of Dan, "a serpent by the way," who left a tantalizing, fascinating "trail" of waymarks along his path of journey, is one of the proofs of the modern location and identity of the so-called "Lost Ten Tribes of Israel." ...

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/i000035a.htm
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This seems to tie in with JenThom's post:

"Egyptians", "Pyramids", "Abode in ships", "Tower people", "Fled westward through the Mediterranean", left a trail..."Serpent by the way", symbol is the "Eagle with a serpent in its claws." Tribe of Dan.

"Red-haired people" would also describe the Merovingians, who are said to have had "magical powers", and are said to be descended from the tribe of Dan.



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It all ties in perfectly. One of my friends who is an an avid researcher in ancient linguistics told me of a race that he and his colleagues called the Sea Kings who had traveled all over the place and that traces of their language turned up in America at one point. He had suspected that the ancient Minoans who had traveled to the Great Lakes region to mine for Iron Ore were the ancient Sea Kings but From JenThom's posts, the Sea Kings were a much older sea-faring race. My friend had also mentioned that the language that was spoken by the Sea Kings was the original root language that was spoken by several of the ancient races and that the closest language to the original root language was Scottish Gaelic. I've seen some of my friend's work with the language and it is quite impressive. I just wish that I had paid more attention to his translation methods. bop.gif

Whoever they were, they were most likely the ones that became known as the Sidhe or Shee.

I found some information on them in one of the University of Phoenix online dictionaries.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Shee

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In Irish mythology, the sídhe (pronounced shee) are a supernatural race, quite distinct from humankind. There are a number of different types of sídhe: the sluagh sídhe, the fairy host or Wild Hunt, can fly through the air and shift shape at will, the sídhe who walk the earth at dusk and the guardian sídhe of the lakes of both Ireland and Scotland. They are the remnants of the Tuatha de Danaan.

According to The Book of Invasions or Lebor Gabala Érren, the Túatha Dé Danann, the “People of the Goddess Danawere defeated in battle by the mortal Sons of Mil. As part of the surrender terms the Túatha Dé Danann agreed to dwell underground in the síde (singular síd), the hills or mounds that dot the Irish landscape. Eventually both the mounds and the people became known as the síd, modern Irish sídhe.


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Not much is known of the Tuatha de Danaan prior to their invasion of Ireland other than that they came from four northern cities, Falias, Glorias, Murias and Finias, where they acquired their occult skills and attributes. On arriving in Ireland, on or about May 1 , some accounts state that they burned their boats behind them to prevent themselves from being tempted to return; the Book of Invasions states that they wafted in through the air as a host of spirits. Other sources state that they came from the west (Atlantic Ocean) on clouds.


http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/...a%20de%20Danaan

It looks to me like one group has been chasing the other group around the world for centuries.

I need to play with this for a moment. scratchinghead.gif

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"Egyptians", "Pyramids", "Abode in ships", "Tower people", "Fled westward through the Mediterranean", left a trail..."Serpent by the way", symbol is the "Eagle with a serpent in its claws." Tribe of Dan.


In one of JenThom's posts, the symbol of the Uru was the eagle... scratchinghead.gif The tribe of Dan's symbol was the Eagle clutching the snake... A very similar symbol shows up in Mexico... scratchinghead.gif From this I would have to say that the Eagle represents the Uru, which themselves, seemed to be one of the most advanced Megalithic races as of twenty five thousand years ago, and stirred things up a bit with the serpents... The one reason that I say that the tribe of Dan/Uru etc. are represented by the eagle is this.

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Of course my train of thought just got shaken up a bit when I came up with this little quote about the lost "civilisation "of Australia.

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Scattered across Australia stand enigmatic relics of a bygone civilization: Megalithic stone alignments, walls and other structures; Pyramid-shaped mountains utilized as astronomical observatories; serpent altars where unknown rites were performed; and mystery rock inscriptions of a long vanished people.


http://www.cryptozoology-zone.com/Uru_main.html

So there were Eagle Altars and Serpent Altars which would indicate that there were possible two distinct groups. This ties in with ancient ruins found in New England which seem to indicate the same thing. In Massachusetts there was once this group of people that built unusual serpentine stone rows and made circles of rock that were said to repsent eggs and they would symbolically emerge from them. In other parts of New England, quite a few bird shaped carved boulders have been found. In the places where the carved bird stones were found, the stone rows were straight. I think my friend calls the one group the Sett group. The Minoans, I think were part of that group because one of their symbols was the snake. They had also monopolized the ancient sea trade and were considered to be one of the most warlike of the ancient sea cultures and were not much different than the Vikings prior to their downfall. I would also consider acient Minoan Crete to have been not much different than the United States is today so I would definitely have to say that the Sett group has risen from the ashes after the explosion of There decimated their homeland, like the Phoenix, that was supposed to have been the symbol of the United States and are picking up where they left off.

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Secret occult history has recorded that Masons originally envisioned the American Eagle to be the Egyptian Phoenix Bird, that mythical occult creation that lives for up to 500 years and then deliberately causes its own death.  [The Secret Architecture of Our Nation's Capital:  The Masons and the Building of Washington, D.C. , by David Ovason, Forward by C. Fred Kleinknecht, 33rd Degree, Sovereign Grand Commander, The Supreme Council, 33rd (Mother Council of the World), Southern Jurisdiction, U.S.A., Washington, D.C, p. 219.].

As the Phoenix dies, its body suddenly erupts into flames and is totally consumed; however, out of the ashes of the old dead Phoenix Bird, another new Phoenix Bird arises.  The only reason these Masons changed the original Phoenix Bird to the American Eagle is that they were convinced that the American public would not stand for the obviously Satanic symbol that the Phoenix Bird represented.


http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/S2_Illustration_Writeup.html

From the same page concerning the Serpent.

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The Satanist also believes that the "serpent ... [is] the symbol of wisdom of the true philosophers." [Ibid.]  Further, when a snake is depicted in a circle, devouring its own tail [called an Ouroboros], such symbolism denotes "Time, from which alone Wisdom springs". [Ibid., p. 24]  Thus, Warner has depicted the Ouroboros -- the snake devouring its tail -- surrounding the hexagram and the Reptilian All-seeing Eye.  Thus are we representing truthfully what the Satanist believes, i.e., the United States of America was originally established through the supreme "Wisdom" and power of Serpent spiritual forces.










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Posted: Aug 27 2004, 01:22 PM
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I was right about the Minoans being associated with the Serpent.

MINOAN SNAKE GODDESS

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http://witcombe.sbc.edu/snakegoddess/
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~perlman/myth/snakeg.htm

It seems that there is a lot of controversy concerning the goddess. Modern Archaeology hiding the truth at its finest. Notice how they waited until about 2000 to start bashing the goddess. rolleyes.gif I did mention that the Minoans had ventured to the Great Lakes regions, but failed to mention that they left behind some interesting artifact. One of which was a snake that was made out of some kind of metal. I'll have to see if I can find the book that has the picture of the artifact in since I haven't been able to find it online yet.

Mysteries of the Snake Goddess by Kenneth Lapatin

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In Mysteries of the Snake Goddess, subtitled Art, Desire and The Forging of History, scholar and assistant curator of Antiquities at the J. Paul Getty Museum Kenneth Lapatin, sets out to trace the origins and prove or disprove the authenticity of the one of the world’s most recognizable antiquities -- called alternatively the Boston Goddess or the Minoan Snake Goddess. Hailed as the apotheosis of Minoan art, the Boston Goddess has a place of honor at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts and has fascinated people since her arrival in Boston in 1914. Made of ivory and gold, she looks surprisingly modern with eyes set to the natural depth and stands bare breasted with a snake in each hand. The statuette did much to increase interest in the Minoan culture being unearthed on Crete and more specifically, at Knossos, by Sir Arthur Evans, a famous archaeologist.


http://www.bookslut.com/nonfiction/2004_04_001894.php

Snake Goddesses, Fake Goddesses

Volume 54 Number 1, January/February 2001
by Kenneth D.S. Lapatin

How forgers on Crete met the demand for Minoan antiquities

http://www.archaeology.org/0101/abstracts/goddess.html

The Ancient Snake Goddess of Crete
Minoan Snake Goddess

by Dr Alena Trckova-Flamee, Ph.D.

http://www.members.cox.net/corbid/2004_04_...ytharchive.html

This is a good read concerning the mythology of the serpent.

THE DIVINE SERPENT IN MYTH and LEGEND

[AS OF JUNE 1999] Robert T. Mason, Ph.D., D.D.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/5789/serpent.htm

This is another good one concerning lightning lore:

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Significantly, the North-American Thunder Bird appears to have been more than a marginal divinity: in many mythologies he occupies a central position and plays the role of the Hero. In a tradition from the northwest coast, the Thunder Bird is described as a form of Raven or his son[23], Raven being the legendary culture Hero of the tribes.

In some traditions the lightning is not so much identified with the bird itself, as with its prey: a serpent held in its beak is a model for the lightning. A North American Indian superstition is to the effect that thunder is caused by an immense bird, whose outspread wings darken the heavens. It is named ‘Then-cloots’. The lightning is caused by a serpent-like fish of immense size, with head as sharp as a knife. When he puts out his tongue it makes the lightning. Its name is ‘Ha-hake-to-ak’, and the thunder-bird catches it for food[24]. The motif of the struggle between bird and serpent is attested in Scandinavia, Mesopotamia, India, Egypt and Meso-America, but the bird is not always associated with fire. Thus, the eagle who transferred king Etana of Kish to the sky had been battling with a serpent earlier[25]. The Icelandic Völuspa relates how the viper Nidhoggr is in daily combat with the eagle at the foot of the oak Yggdrasil[26]. In India it is the giant bird Garuda who struggles with a reptile[27].


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I did manage to find the book that's about the Minoans mining iron ore in the Great Lakes Region. It's definitely a good read and I've got an autographed first edition copy of it... somewhere. scratchinghead.gif

Ancient Mines of Kitchi-Gummi

A Case Study by Roger Jewell

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Who helped the people of the Archaic Copper Culture mine and remove 20 million lbs. of copper from the Lake Superior area 4,500 years ago? JewellÕs well-illustrated book on the ancient mines of Lake Superior and Upper Michigan and the controversy that has raged from their discovery. Who were these miners? Was there ancient contact across the Atlantic that focused on this copper trade? Chapters on Minoan voyagers to Lake Superior, megalithic remains in Michigan and New England, mining evidence on Lake Superior, the voyages via Greenland and the ÒSet Lands,Ó copper artifacts, Mediterranean inscriptions at Lake Superior, more.


http://www.wexclub.com/NativeAmerican/pages/amkg.htm

A lot of archaeologists think that the Native inhabitants mined the ore. However, none of them have ever been able to find the missing ore anywhere in America in any archaeological dig.


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