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Posted: Oct 10 2009, 05:02 AM
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Now I'm not too familiar with the whole chemtrail thing only that, as theorized, chemtrails may be an attempt to shield the earth from something by introducing a protective reflective layer of particulates into the atmosphere.

Solar Radiation? Or something else?

Now some information has come out about an unusual 12,000 to 15,000 year cycle which last occurred, you guessed it, within the last 12 to 15,000 years. The information is still a bit sketchy, but worth mentioning... When this cycle had occurred, almost all traces of certain ancient humanoid cultures had mysteriously vanished such as the red paint people I believe. The Earth was bombarded by what are called nano diamonds.

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The new evidence revealed in the program is the discovery of nanodiamonds from a 12,900 year old layer of glacial ice in Greenland.  Nanodiamonds are exactly what they sound like – nanometer sized diamonds. They are formed under high temperature and pressure, such as would be present in a meteor or comet impact. They have been found in meteorites. Supporters of the impact theory point to nanodiamonds as a major source of evidence. Researchers have found nanodiamonds from multiple North American sites all dating from12,900 years ago. This North America-wide sediment layer of nanodiamonds is the same kind of evidence as the world-wide layer of iridium 65.5 million years ago is evidence for an impact leading to the mass extinction that claimed the dinosaurs.

Critics, however, charge that the nanodiamonds are not definitively of impact origin (where as the iridium layer at the K-T boundry is clearly an extraterrestrial isotope). They argue that the nanodiamonds could have been produced by earth-bound processes and simply been deposited in those sediment layers where they are found. Or, nandiamonds raining down in micrometeorites could have simply collected in the layers detected. They may be concentrated in a layer because the retreat of the glaciers caused large lake formations, or some similar cause.

This is where the new Greenland evidence come into play. Researchers found nanodiamonds in a 12,900 year old layer of glacial ice. This would be expected from the impact hypothesis, but is difficult to explain with the sedimenting hypothesis. That is, in fact, exactly why they looked there.
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The earliest well-documented archeological culture in North America is termed Clovis, and we know that at least some of the time Clovis people hunted large animals like mammoths and mastodons.  We also know that about 13,000 years ago (give or take a few hundred years), the Clovis way of life disappeared – the style of stone tools, and apparently the way people made their living, changed completely.  So, Question #1: What happened to Clovis culture?

            At about the same time, a large number of mammals went extinct.  Many of these were Ice-Age "megafauna", including mammoths, mastodons, short-faced bears (similar to grizzly bears, but about twice as big), dire wolves (similar to grey wolves, but again much larger), and a whole menagerie of animals adapted to the cold and harsh environments of the time.  Question #2 is easy to guess: What caused these extinctions?


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  The researchers looked very closely at sediments above, below, and within Clovis-era archeological sites.  The 13,000-year-old sediments often have a dark, organic-rich layer resulting from charred trees and plants.  Within this layer, but not above or below it, the sediments contain an unusual array of particles, including nanodiamonds: tiny diamonds, each just a few nanometers in size.  And a nanometer, as I'm sure you can guess, is pretty small.  One-billionth of a meter, to be precise.  In this measure, the period at the end of this sentence is about 300,000 nanometers across.  I hope this excuses me for not noticing any nanodiamonds when I excavated them.

            Nanodiamonds are significant because they don't form under normal geologic conditions; they come from the impact of large space objects exploding at or above the earth's surface.  Because of the exact makeup of the nanodiamonds and other elements found within the sediments, astronomers believe the 13,000-year-old layer is evidence for the impact of one or more large comets. 

            So, Hypothesis #3: One or more comets exploded over North America about 13,000 years ago, creating enough force and heat to account for the burned layer of trees and plants.  The devastation to the ecosystem was enough to cause the extinction of numerous animal species (particularly the larger ones, which are generally more susceptible), and the technology and lifestyle of Clovis people, in turn, was adapted to the new environments. 

            Hypothesis #3 is supported by compelling evidence, and like all sound scientific ideas it opens up even more questions than it answers: Exactly how was the environment altered by the impact?  Did Clovis people themselves adapt to the new conditions, or were they replaced by a different group of people?  Were there other meteor impacts that influenced the environment and human societies? 

            Archeologists today have a great number of questions about the past – far more, in fact, than when we first began studying our ancestors more than a century ago.  And this, too, is an exciting hallmark of sound scientific endeavors.  Like the billions of nanodiamonds released by an ancient meteor, the closer we look the more we'll find.  When we begin running out of questions, we'll know we've begun to run out of creativity.  And because the questions are bigger than nanodiamonds, there would be no excuse for that. 

            Dr. Gregory Vogel is Director of Research at the Center for American Archeology in Kampsville, Illinois.  He may be reached: (618) 653-4316, or gvogel@caa-archeology.org.

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So we have a 13,000 year old mystery. Can something be found if we go back to perhaps 26,000 years ago? Yes...

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The 4th Glaciation # III started about 25,000 years ago. (1) (May be related to the 26,000-year precessional cycle.)

http://www.aquarian-age.net/iceages/cycle1.html

Going back to 13,000 years ago, we see something really major occurring...

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Something dramatic happened about 12,900 years ago, and the continent of North America was never the same. A thriving culture of Paleo-Americans, known as the Clovis people, vanished seemingly overnight. Gone, too, were most of the largest animals: horses, camels, lions, mammoths, mastodons, saber-toothed cats, ground sloths and giant armadillos.

Scientists have long blamed climate change for the extinctions, for it was 12,900 years ago that the planet's emergence from the Ice Age came to a halt, reverting to glacial conditions for 1,500 years, an epoch known as the Younger Dryas.

In just the last few years, there has arisen a controversial scientific hypothesis to explain this chain of events, and it involves an extraterrestrial calamity: a comet, broken into fragments, turning the sky ablaze, sending a shock wave across the landscape and scorching forests, creatures, people and anything exposed to the heavenly fire.

Now the proponents of this apocalyptic scenario say they have found a new line of evidence: nanodiamonds. They say they have found these tiny structures across North America in sediments from 12,900 years ago, and they argue that the diamonds had to have been formed by a high-temperature, high-pressure event, such as a cometary impact.
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A new study of dust lofted to Antarctica suggests that significant amounts of trace metals coated dust grains long before industries began loading the atmosphere with such pollutantspollutants

Blowing dust in the American Southwest often carries large amounts of lead, cadmium, and arsenic. Yet those elements are minor constituents of Earth's crust, says Todd K. Hinkley, a geochemist with the U.S. Geological SurveyThe term geological survey can be used to describe both the conduct of a survey for geological purposes and an institution holding geological information.

Hinkley contends that in some cases, however, the apparent excess of trace metals in those dusts may not be a product of modernity. Dust that fell on Antarctica as many as 13,000 years ago, during the height of the last Ice Age, shows concentrations of toxic metals similar to those in modern dust. Grains dropped on the icy continent 13,000 and 6,100 years ago contain almost 400 times the concentration of cadmium found in the average hunk of Earth's crust. Those same dusts sport concentrations of lead more than 20 times that of the crust.


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So there was a major event which, until quite recently, we had no knowledge of. An event which could perhaps occur every 13,000 years.

There was something that was proposed to me quite recently that got me on this train of thought, which could easily be derailed, and that, by tying in a bible verse mentioning the word firmament and also the fact that at one time earth's atmosphere contained much more oxygen than it does today, a picture starts to form... Add in all the legends and stories about planet X or Nibiru and Aztec 13,000 year cycles and the mystery deepens.

Let's look at the elongated skull people for a moment. For their skulls to have grown to that size, theoretically, there had to be a greater concentration of oxygen in earth's atmosphere... This can be demonstrated by problems that doctors were having delivering babies. It was determined that the administration of oxygen to expectant mothers caused, for some reason, the skulls of their babies to grow too large to be delivered normally if I remember correctly... Not really important, but worth mentioning briefly.

Well... Let's say that there was a protective shell of ice that covered the earth creating what was perhaps called the firmament, which was said to be half of the water on the earth, then it is quite possible that the earth would have been able to build up a considerable amount of heat from volcanic and geothermal sources as well as an abundant supply of oxygen. Such high levels of oxygen would have explained why giant forms of insect and animal life, including dinosaurs, could have existed and no longer exist today. It would also explain how tropical species of plants and animals could have existed in places that are now too cold to support such life.

But how could this be possible. How could a firmament form?

And I pose this question... How do we know that we have always orbited this sun?

Meaning... What if, every 13,000 years, we were bounced between this sun and another sun, possibly a red dwarf, as Nibiru is suspected to be? We have always assumed that we have always orbited this sun, but have been unable to explain why the magnetic forces seemed to shift every so often, etc., but what if our orbit was in the form of a figure 8 with a cross-over occurring every 13,000 years, and at one point, the upper atmosphere freezing to form a protective shield. Could this not be possible?

I wonder. scratchinghead.gif

With all the nuclear atmospheric testing, could it be possible that we have damaged it so badly that some scientists might be concerned, if they have knowledge of this possible cycle, that the firmament may not form properly, exposing us to a repeat of the events which occurred over 13,000 years ago, perhaps with greater damage than had been experienced back then.

Perhaps, this is the real reason for chemtrails.


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Here's something else...

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One of a collection of many graphs and diagrams in LaViolette's book, showing information from various ice core samples, radio astronomy maps,  & geological studies of species extinction.  For reader interest, he also includes evidence from mythology,  the tarot, astrology, prophecy and hypnotic progression !  The book is a tour-de force, but not a little frightening. Here we can see where a mass extinction coincides with the start of a period lasting over a thousand years, of high solar flare activity due to cosmic dust  from a Galactic superwave. This happened 12,700 years ago, which is half a precessional period. If this reminds you of item 32, where geologist Greg Braden predicted a geomagnetic reversal, linked to a 13,000 year cycle, LaViolette confirms that at that time "...the intensity and declination of the earth's magnetic field underwent major variations in step with the  eleven-year sunspot cycle. The amplitude of these cycles was hundreds of times larger than modern geomagnetic solar cycles, suggesting that solar flare activity at that time was also hundreds of times more intense, approa ching levels normally observed in T Tauri stars."

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/7.htm

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2012 – Galactic Wave every 13,000 years changes Earth – The Mayans are right
Posted by harbinger on Jun 6th, 2009 and filed under 2012,

That pesky Mayan calendar may actually have some basis to it you know. Many of us are aware of the Mayan calendar but not many people truly understand what it means and how it works. Yes the calendar does end on December 21, 2012, but what does that mean? How does it come to that? What is their calendar based off of?

The Mayans had a very precise understanding of our solar system’s cycles. The most significant of which has much to do with the 2012 prophecies.

In his book Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 (1998), John Major Jenkins presented his findings that Mayan lore contains a Galactic center oriented cosmology. that specifically refers to the Galactic center vicinity (ecliptic-Galactic plane crossing point) in connection with the occurrence of the Mayan World Ages. One of his findings is that the Mayan calendar 2012 AD end date, which designates the end of the present World Age, also indicates the time when the Earth’s precessing axis will be maximally tipped in the direction of this Galactic plane intersection point.

Ok so you think that that is just folklore or another Y2K type of thing. We cannot deny the date in 2012 that is a fact, however until correlated with other Scientific facts the Mayan 2012 prophecy has remained just a myth. Does this finally confirm that we should take this seriously?

Do the arms of the spinning spiral galaxy have a 13000yr gap between them, do they match up to core samples on Earth – it seems so.  The theory from LAViolette below shows this is the case.

As we get closer to 2012 and the SuperWave Arm of the Galaxy the Earth should notice the increase in EarthQuakes, Severe weather patterns, a lot of debris in the atmosphere and most certainly changes to the Magnetosphere and our environment.


For the rest of the article go to the below address...

http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/2012-galacti...ans-were-right/

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Now this is what I was looking for. Even though it is a bit controversial.

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The Firmament and Lemuria
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The term Firmament has been mentioned at different times in history, but a mysterious cloud surrounds the true nature of this concept. Find below fascinating information about what the Firmament was, why it was important, and how it played a role in the Lemurian civilization.

Introduction

The Firmament was a layer of frozen water (ice) above the Earth's surface. It was a huge crystalline shield in two sections, one situated at 15,000 - 18,000 and the other at 35,000 to 38,000 feet above the Earth's  surface. It was like a clear lens. At certain times of the day, when light was reflected, it served as a mirror of the world below. Crystal temples all over the Earth held up the Firmament.

Who Made The Firmament?

The Firmament was originally constructed by the initial etheric civilization that came to earth approximately 35 million years ago. This was done to protect planet Earth from the radiation of the Sun and other dangerous cosmic radiation that regularly come through the solar system. The Firmament was maintained, broken, and re-established many times as different civilizations and invasions came. Thus, various floods have occurred throughout the geological history of this planet ever since the time of that initial etheric civilization.

The Absence of Weather

When the Firmament existed it was under the direction of the Spiritual Hierarchy - and those who constructed the crystal temples in accordance with the Spiritual Hierarchy's wishes - so it could perform several functions for the atmosphere of the planet. First, it lowered the radiation and heat levels so that the climate of Earth, from North Pole to South Pole, was within five degrees of one another! Thus, the tropics were around the upper 70s (degrees Fahrenheit) and the polar regions were around the lower 70s. Large ice sheets did not exist across the north and south polar regions as you have today.

The second major difference in the atmosphere was that the winds and clouds did not exist. There were no clouds and every day was a sunny day! What further added to this fact was that the winds were minimal and were kept to a maximum of 5 - 7 miles per hour. Also, because there were no clouds, there were no rainstorms; so rain is something that is unique to your present era.

A Storehouse of Prana

The complete Firmament atmosphere invigorated the mind and body since the radiation energy stored prana in the Firmament. Prana then drifted across the Firmament and maintained it almost as if it were a giant  refrigerator. You might call it a refrigerator of prana or energy!

The body of any creature existing on your planet was invigorated by this energy. The heat and other radiation that would cause body deterioration were kept out of your surface atmosphere by the Firmament. Another side affect of the Firmament was that the stars were magnified so that the sky would be seen as through a huge telescope. Thus, the Firmament prevented a ravaged atmosphere in which there are great differences in climate, storms, and extremes of weather. Also, a large amount of radiation was prevented from entering Earth's atmosphere. After the Firmament's collapse, radiation eventually shrunk the physical size of humans and gradually limited the length of their life span. In fact, some biblical stories include long-lived beings. This is a result of the protection of the Firmament. Your present atmosphere does not protect life as the Firmament once did (and will do so again).

Conflict

As the civilizations of Lemuria and Atlantis matured, conflict developed between the two. As a last resort to the struggle for control, they decided to attack the crystal temples which held the Firmament in place. Initially, the strategy was to destroy the Firmament above the enemy. However, they underestimated the effect of the destabilization of the Firmament.

Attacks were made simultaneously on the crystal temples, and so disrupted the structure of the Firmament in the heavens. This caused the end of the Firmament, and the falling of millions of gallons of water from the sky. This is historically and biblically known as the Great Flood.

What was left behind was not only a period of roughly 40 days of rain but a whole new world. The old histories of humanity had been virtually flooded away and all that was left were the oral stories and legends.
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This remained a mystery to me until I learned what "firmament" really meant. I learned that the firmament consisted of two layers of crystaline-clear ice which covered the entire Earth. One layer was 15,000 feet above the Earth (the same altitude as the "snowcap" on mountains) and the other layer was about 30,000 feet above the Earth. Obviously these required a huge amount of water from the oceans, so the oceans were much smaller then, and so places like Atlantis were also not underwater then. However, the greatest benefit of the firmament was the fact that the atmosphere inside the firmament, all over the entire Earth, was always between 70 and 80 degrees Fahrenheit. It was a tropical Paradise!

These were the days when the real Garden of Eden flourished, as humans could easily live a very simple and close-to-nature type of lifestyle, with a minimum of fuss just to survive. A milder climate meant a minimum of clothing and shelter were needed. However, there obviously was some very high technology around in those days in order to build the firmament, and to build structures like the Pyramids of Egypt, etcetera.

So what happened to the firmament? to make a long story short, there was a "battle in the heavens", to use Biblical terminology, but today we would call it a war, perhaps not too unlike the wars of today, in some respects. Warring groups of beings used high-tech jet-fighters or perhaps, spaceships, to bomb sections of their opponents area of the firmament. This caused certain areas of these crystalline structures of ice to collapse. These beings did not realize that destroying one section of the firmament would cause a "domino" effect, and then a chain reaction that eventually caused the entire firmament, over all the Earth to be destroyed!

Well the ice from the firmament melted and this is what caused the Great Flood, mentioned in the Bible. Because the devastation was so huge, it wiped out most human beings on earth, as well as all the advanced technology and virtually all traces of civilization. The few remaining human survivors had nothing left. For a very long time these people had to focus solely on their survival, and had to rely only on word of mouth to remember what happened, and what the world was like before the Great Flood. Without any forms of technology remaining, and with so few people remaining to re-create their technology, with only crude tools, they could not even effectively write down these cataclysmic events. Then it was finally written down (perhaps several generations passed before paper and written language were re-invented), and by then the oral stories of the past became quite inaccurate. Imagine trying to describe high-tech things to children who had never seen such things, with no paper, no dictionaries and no reason to even have written languages, if all you are doing is surviving!


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Genesis chapter one.

1. In the begining God created the heaven and the earth.

There is a gap between verse one and verse two, and in this gap you see the earth becoming  void of life and a barren wasteland covered with ice.

2. And the Earth was without form and void ; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The words form and void have a similar defenition though one of them makes it clear. form is translated from the Hebrew/chaldean word to'huw: meaning a waste, and desolation. And the word void is bo'huw meaning empty, vacuity, an indistinguishable ruin.

Indistinguishable : indistinguishable according to the websters dictionary is defined as not capable of being clearly distinguished.

Ruin: the remains of something destroyed.      Why?

I think the whole surface was of one color, with no structures no trees just a plain barren landscape.....all covered in Ice. and boulders.

Darkness according to the original translation comes from the word chushack and has a root word choshek meaning dark, witholding light.

If there is no light, and no sun there is no heat, there is only cold.

(3.) And God said let there be light : and there was light. (4.) And God saw the light, that it was good : and God divided the light from the darkness. (5.) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

light according to the original translation the original word is owr which has a root word  is defined as ; luminous, to set on fire, to heat up.

Remember there is no Sun appearing. This light is a different light source than the sun and heats the surface of the earth up. If the earth was covered in ice, the next verse will be about water and lots of it.

(6.) And let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (7.) And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament : and it was so. (8.) And God called the firmament Heaven.  and the evening and the morning were the second day.

Dividing waters from the waters........how is that possible ? there are three forms of water: solid (ice) liquid (water) gas (air).

If the word was speaking of water seperating water would that makes sense no, if you exclude ice and air ?

There are three firmaments; the middle firmament, and the firmament below the middle firmament and the firmament above the middle firmament.

firmament : according to the original word raquiya root word raqa meaning to expand, to hammer into plates, thin layers of plates.

Remember there is no dryland at this time that means the middle layer is ice, the seas are like the north pole as the land is not dry but wet covered with  ice.

(9.) And God said, Let the "waters" under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. (10.) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he seas: and God saw that it was good.

water's being more than one kind since the heaven is the atmosphere that leaves two types of water below liquid and solid  both ice and the sea are left making up the three types of waters.

(11.) And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

(12.) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind; and God saw that it was good.

(13.) And the evening and the morning were the third day.

The seeds were already on the earth once the Ice plate had melted away and the dryland appeared. The resurfacing and refilling of the earth began anew.

I believe there was another world that existed between verse 1 and verse 2 of the book of the Genesis.
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It seems, however, that this theory is usually dismissed simply because it supports certain verses found in the Bible. In the first chapter of Genesis there is a verse that says that there was water below the firmament and water above the firmament. Since birds are described as flying in the firmament, the firmament must be the atmosphere. So that verse actually is saying that originally there was water above the atmosphere.

Later in Genesis when it describes the Flood, it says that the floodgates of the heavens were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights. If some phenomenon caused the temperature in the thermosphere to suddenly drop, then it would cause the water to be released. I would imagine that there would be a lot of water in that water canopy if it surrounded the entire earth.

The sudden loss of the water canopy would mean that the earth would no longer be subject to a global greenhouse effect. Since the tilt of the earth's axis is what causes the poles to be cold, they would rapidly change from a warm climate maintained by the greenhouse effect to the cold climate that exists now.

One last thought, and that involves the timing of these events. The author proposed that a water canopy surrounding the earth would reduce the amount of cosmic radiation that would reach the earth's surface. As a result, living tissue would absorb less Carbon 14. Therefore, dating techniques based on the decay of Carbon 14 would produce results in the millions of years simply because there was less Carbon 14 to begin with. When I was studying geology many many years ago, the basic premise of the study of geomorphology was the principle of uniformitarianism, that geologic processes have occurred in the past in the same way they occur now. However, the theory I have reviewed above would negate that principle.


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Posted: Oct 11 2009, 06:32 PM
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Hey Darmon Ving -- LTNS -- I appreciate you bringing some new or interesting info to the forum.

I still drop by daily ---- but I will not allow myself to be fed off of like a parasite -- I created this forum to exchange info n knowledge --- not to be harrassed.


BTW --last wednesday --I spent the night in jail --I will make a post soon to let anyone who reads know what I went thru with LAPD Narcotics division.

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Hey Dan, --I don't post daily anymore --- I wanted to see who would carry the ball.... and yer right -- my forum's a ghost town. ....but u should see how many hits sum posts have had. DAYUM!

I got a lotta readers/viewers!

I still check in the forum daily and saw yer recent posts --before the chemtrail one.

Sorry to hear about your situation --mine sucks too -- the fookers arrested me for growing with an expired medical licence.

Talk to ya later --- wishin you good will and good fortune!

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In regards to the chemtrails/contrails

Anyone who can think for themself and pays attn can see that on heavy chemtrail/contrail spray days -- the trails fan out and block/filter the suns harmful rays.




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cheers.gif Yes... LTNS Pupp. waving.gif Glad to see that you're still around... I was kind of getting worried that everyone here got abducted... or something like that. 1LizardEyeSM.gif

I have been through a lot of hardships over the last year which has really tested me, but has also given me a lot of time to think about a lot of things including this whole chemtrail situation. And this scenario seems to make a lot of sense to me for some reason above all the others that I have heard of over the years. A 13,000 year cycle...

Let's see... scratchinghead.gif This might make sense. Genesis: the first 7 days or 7,000 years. 7+6=13. Existance of Adam and Eve was said to have been 6,000 years ago with Jesus punctuating the last 2,000 years with his return which is thought to be in 2012. seesaw.gif A great cycle even without the religious undertones.

Perhaps we're not the only race or species that had to go through such a scenario or event, but one of many. The reptoids or the elongated head people were perhaps where we are now some 13.000 years ago... Who knows...

One thing that is definitely clear is that the Earth in its present form is dying and perhaps without the reconstitution of the protective layer of ice we call the firmament we might just end up like Mars or even Venus. Anyway... we wont have long to wait with 2012 fast approaching and what appears to be a renewed effort with the chemtrail activity.





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Hey Mr. Ving--- I think you are onto something with the cycle -- but perhaps --- we/THEY are warming up Earth to prevent another ice age?

But remember my theory -- the martians or whomever THEY are -- the aliens --- are changing /altering the Earths atmosphere so THEY can breathe without using an apparatus and walk among us.

Most folks cannot even fathom the notion or idea ---

'That we are all offspring of the aliens'

AND -- we are not all the same!

But hey -- that's just my opinion and everyone knows --- opinions are like.... ahhh--- never mind!

Hang in there! -- and thanks for your support over the years ---u helped keep these archives online dude!

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Hey Mr. Ving--- I think you are onto something with the cycle -- but perhaps --- we/THEY are warming up Earth to prevent another ice age?

But remember my theory -- the martians or whomever THEY are -- the aliens --- are changing /altering the Earths atmosphere so THEY can breathe without using an apparatus and walk among us.


Well there's a problem with the warming up of the climate that I became aware of a little while ago and that is that just an increase of four degrees celcius would have a devestating effect on the environment... The problem being that the worlds oceans contain a significant amount of methane ice and if that ice were to melt then it would be released into the atmosphere. It has happened before with some devestating results.

Large methane release could cause abrupt climate change as happened 635 million years ago
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UCR-led research team says methane-triggered global warming ended last 'snowball' ice age; dramatically reorganized Earth system

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“Our findings document an abrupt and catastrophic means of global warming that abruptly led from a very cold, seemingly stable climate state to a very warm also stable climate state with no pause in between,” said Martin Kennedy, a professor of geology in the Department of Earth Sciences, who led the research team.

“This tells us about the mechanism, which exists, but is dormant today, as well as the rate of change,” he added. “What we now need to know is the sensitivity of the trigger: how much forcing does it take to move from one stable state to the other, and are we approaching something like that today with current carbon dioxide warming.”

Study results appear in the May 29 issue of Nature.

According to the study, methane clathrate destabilization acted as a runaway feedback to increased warming, and was the tipping point that ended the last snowball Earth. (The snowball Earth hypothesis posits that the Earth was covered from pole to pole in a thick sheet of ice for millions of years at a time.)

“Once methane was released at low latitudes from destabilization in front of ice sheets, warming caused other clathrates to destabilize because clathrates are held in a temperature-pressure balance of a few degrees,” Kennedy said. “But not all the Earth’s methane has been released as yet. These same methane clathrates are present today in the Arctic permafrost as well as below sea level at the continental margins of the ocean, and remain dormant until triggered by warming.

“This is a major concern because it’s possible that only a little warming can unleash this trapped methane. Unzippering the methane reservoir could potentially warm the Earth tens of degrees, and the mechanism could be geologically very rapid. Such a violent, zipper-like opening of the clathrates could have triggered a catastrophic climate and biogeochemical reorganization of the ocean and atmosphere around 635 million years ago.”

Today, the Earth’s permafrost extends from the poles to approximately 60 degrees latitude. But during the last snowball Earth, which lasted from 790 to 635 million years ago, conditions were cold enough to allow clathrates to extend all the way to the equator.

According to Kennedy, the abruptness of the glacial termination, changes in ancient ocean-chemistry, and unusual chemical deposits in the oceans that occurred during the snowball Earth ice age have been a curiosity and a challenge to climate scientists for many decades.


http://www.innovations-report.de/html/beri...cht-111171.html

Of course if they breathe methane it wouldn't be a problem.

As for the ice age... what are we really seeing? Were they deposits of ice from glaciers or from a collapse of the firmament?

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Of course combine the mass release of methane into the atmosphere with some other event and.... BOOM!!!

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Scientists find signs of 13,000-year-old extinction event

Comet may have exploded over planet, causing fires, die-offs, researchers say

By Robert Mitchum
January 02, 2009

First an explosion as powerful as thousands of megatons of TNT rained meteorites down on North America. Then forest fires broke out across the continent, sending up a thick layer of soot and dust that blocked out the sun. A sudden ice age ensued, and some of the Earth’s largest animals went extinct in a blink of geological time.

It’s well-known that a meteorite colliding with Earth is considered the most likely reason why dinosaurs died off 65 million years ago. Now a team of scientists says it has found new evidence that a comet triggered a similar extinction much more recently: 13,000 years ago, when humans were around to witness the event and suffer its terrible consequences.

The researchers also think that when the comet exploded above the planet’s surface—ultimately killing off mammoths, saber-toothed tigers and other large mammals that roamed North America—Chicago wasn’t far from ground zero.

“If you’d been in Chicago back in that time, it would’ve been one very bad day,” said Allen West, an Arizona geophysicist and one of the authors of a paper appearing Friday in the journal Science.

The scientists, led by University of Oregon anthropologist Douglas Kennett, say their report offers a “smoking bullet”—proof that a comet set off the sudden 1,000-year freeze and wiped out the big animals of the era.

Working at multiple sites across the continent, researchers found nanodiamonds—microscopic particles thought to be found on comets—in a 13,000-year-old layer of rich sedimentary soil called a “black mat.” Beneath the layer with the nanodiamonds, fossils of the animals are abundant. After that layer, they disappear, West said.

“It’s extraordinary that tens of millions of animals disappeared synchronously at exactly the time when the diamonds and carbon layer are laid down across the continent,” said West, whose co-authors include DePaul University chemist Wendy Wolbach.

Arrowheads and other artifacts from the Clovis culture of humans—an early hunter-gatherer society—also vanished after the black mat was laid down 13,000 years ago.

In 2007, West and a team of scientists published an analysis of black mats from several regions that found heavy metals, soot and charcoal suggestive of meteorite impacts and subsequent fires. The new report says the discovery of nanodiamonds in the same material is more evidence of a cosmic strike.

Archeologists have long speculated about whether climate change or over-hunting drove the mammoths, tigers and other “megafauna” to extinction and led to the decline of the Clovis culture.

Many remain skeptical of the comet theory and think there may be better explanations for what happened, said Daniel Amick, an associate professor of anthropology at Loyola University Chicago who studies the Clovis culture.

“When most archeologists heard about it they were somewhat dismissive,” Amick said. “We would think, ‘How in the world could we have missed this? How could this spectacular kind of event have occurred and never even dawned on us?’ ”

The authors have much to prove before their theory is accepted, Amick said, like pinpointing the date of the event and ruling out other potential causes of extinction and climate change.

In response to one common criticism of the comet theory—that no craters have been found from an impact—West said the comet may not have reached Earth, but exploded into fragments somewhere above the surface.

Where exactly that might have happened is a mystery, but high concentrations of nanodiamonds at a site in eastern Michigan suggest the Great Lakes as a possibility.

“We think that Chicago might well have been very near ground zero,” West said.

The idea that a comet may have caused catastrophic climate change and extinction relatively recently in Earth’s long history suggests scientists shouldn’t dismiss the possibility of it happening again, Wolbach said.

“Should we be doing more to try to deflect future asteroids, or is that too sci-fi?” she said. “If this is true and there was an impact 12.9 thousand years ago, obviously this is not something that’s just a theoretical idea, it’s a real thing.”


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Meteor shower maybe... So rare that it occurs every 13,000 years?

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Six North American Sites Hold 12,900-year-old Nanodiamond-rich Soil

ScienceDaily (Jan. 2, 2009) — Abundant tiny particles of diamond dust exist in sediments dating to 12,900 years ago at six North American sites, adding strong evidence for Earth's impact with a rare swarm of carbon-and-water-rich comets or carbonaceous chondrites, reports a nine-member scientific team.

These nanodiamonds, which are produced under high-temperature, high-pressure conditions created by cosmic impacts and have been found in meteorites, are concentrated in similarly aged sediments at Murray Springs, Ariz., Bull Creek, Okla., Gainey, Mich., and Topper, S.C., as well as Lake Hind, Manitoba, and Chobot, Alberta, in Canada. Nanodiamonds can be produced on Earth, but only through high-explosive detonations or chemical vaporization.

Last year a 26-member team from 16 institutions proposed that a cosmic impact event, possibly by multiple airbursts of comets, set off a 1,300-year-long cold spell known as the Younger Dryas, fragmented the prehistoric Clovis culture and led to the extinction of a large range of animals, including mammoths, across North America. The team's paper was published in the Oct. 9, 2007, issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Now, reporting in the Jan. 2 issue of the journal Science, a team led by the University of Oregon's Douglas J. Kennett, a member of the original research team, report finding billions of nanometer-sized diamonds concentrated in sediments -- weighing from about 10 to 2,700 parts per billion -- in the six locations during digs funded by the National Science Foundation.

"The nanodiamonds that we found at all six locations exist only in sediments associated with the Younger Dryas Boundary layers, not above it or below it," said Kennett, a UO archaeologist. "These discoveries provide strong evidence for a cosmic impact event at approximately 12,900 years ago that would have had enormous environmental consequences for plants, animals and humans across North America."

The Clovis culture of hunters and gatherers was named after hunting tools referred to as Clovis points, first discovered in a mammoth's skeleton in 1926 near Clovis, N.M. Clovis sites later were identified across the United States, Mexico and Central America. Clovis people possibly entered North America across a land bridge from Siberia. The peak of the Clovis era is generally considered to have run from 13,200 to 12,900 years ago. One of the diamond-rich sediment layers reported sits directly on top of Clovis materials at the Murray Springs site.

The eight co-authors on the Science paper were: Kennett's father, James P. Kennett of the University of California, Santa Barbara; A. West of GeoScience Consulting in Dewey, Ariz.; C. Mercer of the National Institute for Materials Science in Tsukuba, Japan; Que Hee of the University of California, Los Angeles; L. Bement of the Oklahoma Archaeological Survey at the University of Oklahoma; T.E. Bunch and M. Sellers, both of Northern Arizona University; and W.S. Wolbach of DePaul University in Chicago.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...90101172136.htm

While I was playing aroung with the 12,900 date I came up with "The alignment of the Holy Cross" which has something to do with a galactic allignment that occurs, as far as I can tell, every 26,000 years (give or take a hundred years or so) which is quite interesting. There's that cross symbology again BTW.

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The Galactic Alignment is the alignment of the December solstice sun with the Galactic equator. This alignment occurs as a result of the precession of the equinoxes.

Precession is caused by the earth wobbling very slowly on its axis and shifts the position of the equinoxes and solstices one degree every 71.5 years. Because the sun is one-half of a degree wide, it will take the December solstice sun 36 years to precess through the Galactic equator (see diagram below).

The precise alignment of the solstice point (the precise center-point of the body of the sun as viewed from earth) with the Galactic equator was calculated to occur in 1998 (Jean Meeus, Mathematical Astronomy Morsels, 1997).
Thus, the Galactic Alignment "zone" is 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016. This is "era-2012."

This Galactic Alignment occurs only once every 26,000 years, and was what the ancient Maya were pointing to with the 2012 end-date of their Long Count calendar.


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Interesting... chinscratch.gif Hello Pupp... EmoticonPatHeadSmiley.gif

Got a whole bunch of quotes by snail mail but I ain't writing them all out...
Just adding the most important pieces from the Bible...

From Luke 21...
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25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.


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18 Torrents of rain will pour from the sky, and earth's foundations will shake. 19 The earth will crack and shatter and split open. 20 The earth itself will stagger like a drunk, sway like a hut in a storm.


But this is the most interesting one...

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10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


I could add more quotes, but it's pretty much agreed by more than one source that there will be a hot time on the earth with everything being burned up. The tiimeframe seems about right with the 13,000 year cycle. As the Bible says: a day equals a thousand years or something like that with the earth being toasted then flooded with the sun at the moment of "let there be light" relighting after going dark it seems. (Just a brain storm) This could be true especially since "darkness was on the face of the deep"... then mentioning "the waters" before there was day or night... Then 1,000 years later forming the "firmament" which was explained to me as a protective shell of ice...

It's my theory that if the sun were to drastically cool off, since it is a variable star, that the firmament would reform on its own long before we would technically freeze to death with the geothermal heat keeping us warm by creating a a type of greenhouse effect. Of course this could be dangerous since the water level would rise considerably as global temperatures equalized unless the water was somehow burned off as it is suggested occurring every 13,000 years.

Remember that both the Antarctic and Arctic regions were once tropical...

1,000 years later on the third day the firmament had gathered up enough water so that there was dry land... Then on day four two great lights were made. One to rule the day and the other to rule the night... Interesting since the sun must have been there already... Perhaps two moons to equalize not only the orbit, but also tidal forces... Earth's orbit was more circular than it is now... And something big did crash into the earth forming the gulf of Mexico... Possibly the second moon...

The stars were also said to have been "created on the forth day...

On the fifth day: Birds and animals and fish oh my!

Then after 5,000 years Adam and Eve were created... Now we're coming up to the 13,000 year mark... Not sure when the firmament collapsed because I'm not sure when Noah's flood was... Of course there's been talk of there being a 10,500 year date for some or the majority of the large stone monuments including the great pyramid, but the current theory floating around is that they were not created by man but by the falllen angels themselves after being dropped down to the 3rd dimension...

Perhaps someone will look up a connection between karma and reincarnation since there is some belief that at least reincarnation was talked about quite a lot by the Catholic Church prior to 540 AD when Constantine kind of lost the info on it. Not really important though, but there was some vision that one of the children saw after one of the appearances of the Virgin Mary of the spirit of an evil girl being turned into a rabbit or something like that... Maybe the devil was turned into a snake.gif after all... Who knows... I did read somewhere that one of the egyptian gods was turned into a beatle...

One mention here: http://www.all-creatures.org/murti/asource-08.html

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During the second century, the Christian teacher, Justin Martyr, in his Dialogue with Trypho, taught that the soul inhabits more than one body in its earthly sojourn. He even suggested that those who lead carnal lives and thus deprive themselves of the capacity to serve God may be reborn as beasts.


Or perhaps the fallen angels being reborn as mortal beings both man, beast and insect... perhaps even down to a microscopic germ...



Well anyway that's all I got for now.


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