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Has Noah's Ark Been Found? Part I

By Dr. David Merling

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For two or three years I have been regularly confronted with the double question, "Has Noah's ark been found, and if so, why aren't Adventist archaeologists in the forefront of proclaiming this discovery?" This article is the first of a two part series to answer these questions. In Part I, I will review the biblical and archaeological evidence that has been proposed to prove Noah's ark has been found. In Part II I will discuss the scientific claims about "Noah's ark", in the light of how to evaluate the truthfulness of claims that will arise in the future.

The reader should know that I write this article sympathetically. Nothing would please me more than the finding of Noah's ark. I am a Bible student, an archaeologist, and a curator of an archaeological museum, The discovery of any ancient artifact is exciting for ma, but the discovery of Noah's ark would be a singular event: undoubtedly, the most significant archaeological. find in history. Also, like the majority of the readers of the Adventist Review I believe in the biblical story of the flood. How could I not be excited if such a relic was found?!

The Durupinar Site in the Tendurek Mountains

In the last century, the primary place where most searchers for Noah's ark have looked is the traditional Mount Ararat (Agri Dagh), the highest of the eastern Turkish mountains. The reason that this mountain has been the focus of investigation is a misunderstanding of Genesis 8:4,1 and some late traditions regarding Agri Dagh.2 While Agri Dagh is still being searched by some, most queries that have recently come to me are about a boat-shaped form often called Durupinar, which lies approximately 17 miles south of Agri Dagh.

This site was discovered by Llhan Durupinar, a captain in the Turkish army.3 While reviewing aerial photographs taken for NATO's Geodetic Survey of Turkey, Capt. Durupinar was startled to see a ship-like form on one of the photographs. The subsequent announcement of this strangely shaped form caused a furor in the U.S. and European media, which led to on-site investigations. Noorbergen recounts the distressing developments preceding his, George Vandeman's and Don Loveridge's own expedition in 1960, which included Captain Durupinar, and resulted in a military escort and permission to investigate the site. This was the first scientific investigation of the Durupinar site. After two days of digging (and even usiing dynamite) inside the "boat-shaped" formation the disappointed expedition members found only "dirt, rocks and more dirt." The official news release issued by George Vandeman, the team leader, concluded that "there vere no visible archaeological remains" and that this formation "was a freak of nature and not man-made."4

While most of the scholarly community has considered the nature of the Durupinar site as settled, i.e., a natural formation, at least one Seventh-day Adventist scholar has maintained some interest in this formation.5 William H. Shea,6 after reading Noorbergen's account about the expedition to the "boat-shaped" formation, published an article in 1976 suggesting that rather than being the ark, perhaps, this site was the "mold or cast of the Ark." Shea acknowledge that the Durupinar site had no archaeological evidence, but considered the formation's length, approximating the biblical ark's dimensions, curious at the least.7

Recently, Ron Wyatt has, through his book8 and video, created an interest among lay members in this boat-shaped site.9 Wyatt claims that the Turkish government credits him with finding the Durupinar site, and thus, the discoverer of Noah's ark (p. 1, 4, 11, 22-23, 39).10 This is an unusual claim since this site was discovered in 1959, as noted above, and even acknowledged, if somewhat lightly, by Wyatt himself (p. iv) . Since there has been much recent interest in the Durupinar site, and most of the questions that have come to me have been about the claims of Wyatt that the Durupinar site is Noah's ark, I will evaluate his claims.

Is the Durupinar Site the Site of Noah's Ark?

The one undisputed fact that the Durupinar site has in its favor is it length, which is roughly the expected length of the ark.11 Wyatt's suggestion that the reason the Durupinar site (the ark) is 138 feet wide instead of the expected 86 feet, is that the ark has been splayed (pp. 14-15), is unconvincing. The truth is that the Durupinar site is about 50 per cent too wide to be the ark. While this point should not be over stressed, I feel that Wyatt's claims for the Durupinar site based on its length is out of proportion. A fair evaluation of the Durupinar site is that its length is approximately the length of the ark, while its width is twice as wide.

Wyatt says that the shape size of the boat-shaped formation "defies any other explanation" and it is "the only formation of its kind on planet earth"(p. 13). These are very difficult claims to prove, since he offers no alternative suggestions himself. Fortunately, Wyatt has not been the only one to analyze the Durupinar site. John D. Morris, who has graduate degrees in geological engineerinq, includinq a Ph.D., and who is himself an avid searcher for Noah's ark, has made two geological surveys of this site.12 His conclusion is that the Durupinar site is unique in its geological formation but that it is a geologically explainable phenomenon. Writes Morris, "Just as water flows

around a rock in a stream bed, the site has acquired a streamlined shape, due to the dynamics of the slowly flowing material."13 Agri Dagh is itself a volcano, while the entire region is volcanic. In other words, according to Morris, the "boat-shapedness" of the Durupinar site comes from the lava flowing around an obstruction.

The Anchor14 Stones

Wyatt sees the many anchor stones he saw in 1977 of "tremendous significance" in proving the Durupinar site is the true Noah's ark (pp. 5, 21-22, 24). He claims to have seen 13 such anchor stones, eight of which have inscriptions that make a direct connection between the anchors and Noah (p. 21). Wyatt claims that the crosses chiseled on their surface are from the Byzantine and Crusader periods, but he rules out the possibility that the anchors, themselves, were crafted during those times because some of the anchors have no crosses or inscriptions (pp. 5, 21). Although the stones that Wyatt has found are as much as 14 miles from the Durupinar site, Wyatt has decided that the anchors were cut away from the ark as it approached the mountains leaving them all lying in a straight line.

When exactly these stones were set, in place, and by whom, may be debated, but the biblical account does not match Wyatt's reconstruction for the placement oaf the anchors in their present location. He would see an ark guided by Noah, dropping the anchors as the ark approach the large mountains of the area, while the Bible portrays Noah's roll as passive. The Bible's chronological outline reports that the ark was "snagged" by one of the mountains before the mountain tops were visible and that the ark rested on the 17th day of the seventh month, while the mountains became visible on the first day of the tenth month. It is recorded that it was another 40 days before Noah even opened the window (Genesis 8:4-6).

Adding the number of days between when the ark rested (17th day of the seventh month) to the time when the mountains became visible (on the first day of the tenth month) lets us know that the tops of the mountains did not become visible for over 70 days after the ark was resting on ground. This means that the place where Noah's ark settled must be one of the higher mountains in its region, since for the ark to be resting in a low area with the mountains around still covered by water would be impossible. Agri Dagh is 10,000 feet higher and easily visible from the Durupinar site, it would, therefore, be impossible for the ark to be at the Durupinar site while Agri Dagh was still covered with water.15 The three verses of Genesis 8:4-6 are strong evidence that the Durupinar site cannot be related to Noah's ark.

It is most likely that these "anchor" stones originally had nothing to do with Christianity or the Flood. According to Abraham Terian16 the stones that Wyatt has found are not unique to the Durupinar area but are scattered throughout ancient Armenia.17 They are known to have been crafted by pagans and used in their worship long before Christianity came to Armenia. What Wyatt has identified as "rope holes" were originally niches for lamps. When the local Armenians became Christians, says Terian, many of these pagan stele were Christianized with inscriptions and symbols.18 This is why many of them are found in Christian cemeteries. They were holy stones, first for the pagans, then the Christians.

There is a fairly easy way to determine whether these stones were originally anchors or pagan stele, or at least to determine where they originated. Chemical and isotopic analyses and mineralogical tests could determine the origin Of the stone from which these stele are carved, or they could say whether or not they are unique to the area they are found today. If these stones were crafted by Noah instead of people indigenous to this region, we would expect that the stone anchors would be composed of rock similar to where Noah started from, not where he stopped.

Without these tests it is impossible to be certain where these stones have originated. However, the evidence we do have causes me to conclude that these stones ware not crafted by Noah's workmen, but were probably made near where they are found. According to Shea, all of the anchors are made of basalt, a stone common to volcanic regions. Since the entire region of the Tendurek mountains19 is volcanic, basalt is common to this area.20 Since the anchors are made of a rock commonly found in the Agri Dagh region, the most likely conclusion is that these stones originated in this region and, thus, were originally pagan stele not anchors.

Summary and Conclusion

For the past several years it has been claimed by Ron Wyatt that he has discovered Noah's ark. The site he claims to have "discovered," however, was originally discovered in 1959 by a Turkish captain. While the Durupinar site is about the right length for Noah's ark, it is, in addition, too wide to be Noah's ark. Wyatt has claimed that the "boat-shapedness" of this formation can only be explained by its being Noah's ark, but both Shea and Morris have offered other plausible explanations. Likewise, Wyatt has argued that the standing stones he has found are anchors, while Terian is aware of similar stones outside the Durupinar site area that were pagan cultic stones later converted by Christians for Christian purposes.

In Part II of this article we will evaluate the scientific evidence provided by Wyatt for the Durupinar site as wall as review his other "discoveries." We will end Part II with suggestions for evaluating claims sure to arise in the future.

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Endnotes

1. Gen 8:4 says that the ark rested in the "mountains of Ararat. Ararat was a mountainous country. See also 2 Kings 19:37; Isaiah 37:38 and Jeremiah 51:27. That Ararat was a country instead of a mountain should not surprise Seventh-day Adventists since this same information was printed in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Dictionary over 30 years ago. Horn, Siegfried H., Commentary Reference Series, Vol. S, Review and Herald: 1960, "Ararat."

2. For a reliable summary of the early and numerous locations of Noah's ark see, Bailey, Lloyd R. Noah: The Person and the Story in History and Tradition, Columbia, South Carolina: University of South Carolina Press, 1989, pp. 61-115. For example, JabelJudi(Cudi Dagh),located near Mosul, was accepted by Jews, Christians and Muslims as the ark's landing place during the early Islamic period, p. 67.

3. Information about the discovery of the Durupinar site is taken from Noorbergen, Rene, The Ark File. Mountain View: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1974, pp. 116ff.

4. Noorbergen, p. 128 and an aerial and two ground-level pictures of this site and a short article detailing the finding of this site and its subsequent investigation were reported in Life, September 5, 1960.

5. For an example of the general dismissal of the Durupinar site consider the cursory treatment given by Lloyd R. Bailey, Noah: The Personand theStory inHistory andTradition, University of South Carolina Press, 1989, p. 92, "The object in the aerial photos of 1959 has already been confirmed as a natural formation."

6. Formerly a professor at the SDA Theological Seminary and currently an associate director of the Biblical Research Institute of the General Conference.

7. "The Ark-shaped Formation in the Tendurek Mountains of Eastern Turkey," Creation Research Science Quarterly 3:1976, pp. 91. William Shea is one of the most creative and best published of Adventist scholars. He is well respected by both Adventist and non-Adventist scholars. To this day he believes that the question of the location of Noah's ark is unsettled. Due to the large number of queries the Institute of Archaeology has assembled a collection of letters and papers that speak to the question, "Is the Durupinar site Noah's Ark?" Those articles and letters quoted in this article, and noted with an *in these footnotes can be obtained in full by writing the Institute of Archaeology, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI 49104 and ask for the "Durupinar file." William Shea, "To Whom It May Concern,"* a letter, December 28, 1992, Merling, David, "Has Noah's Ark Been Found,"* a more fully documented copy of the two articles in this series.

8. Wyatt, Ron, Discovered: Noah's Ark, Nashville: World Bible Society, 1989. All page numbers in the text, not referenced to another source refer to this book.

9. David Fasold's book The Ark of Noah (New York: Wynwood Press, 1989) also claims the Durupinar site is Noah's ark. Fasold's book has circulated primarily among non-Adventist evangelicals, while Wyatt's influence has been with the Adventist audience. Fasold and Wyatt appear to be partners in an attempt to proclaim the Durupinar site as Noah's ark, but since Wyatt's claims have circulated primarily among SDAs I will evaluate his claims. I purchased my copy of Discovered: Noah's Ark at the local Adventist Book Center.

10. See also the Southern Accent October 1992, caption under Wyatt's picture, "The Turkish government recognizes Ron Wyatt as the man who discovered Noah's Ark."

11. The statement by Wyatt, arguing for the Egyptian cubit, that Moses "would have been referring to the only cubit he knew" (p. 14), is simplistic and ill informed. We do not know what Moses knew, but we do know that the Near Eastern cultures were much more complex, and knew much more about each other than he supposes. There were trade relations throughout all of the ancient Near East. Are we to suppose that these nations traded with each other without knowing the common measurements of their trading partners? Moses may well have used the Egyptian cubit but arguments can be suggested for the other cubits as well.

12. "That Boat-Shaped Rock," Creation Ex Nihilo, Vol. 12, No. 4, p. 16.

13 Ibid., p. 18, "The rock types are rather exotic, but there is nothing present which must be attributed to human construction."

14. For convenience I am using the common term for these stones, but later in this discussion suggestions are made that dispute that these stones are anchors or replicas of anchors.

15. The 16,945 foot Agri Dagh is only 17 miles north of the Durupinar site (elevation c. 6,300 feet).

16. Dr. Terian, an Armenian by birth, teaches at the SDA Theological Seminary and is recognized as a world-class scholar in Armenian studies. Among his many honors, Dr. Terian has been invited several times to lecture and research in Russian Armenia.

17. Standing stones are not unusual in the Near East. For example, one of numerous examples would be the ten standing stones found during the excavations of R.A.S. Macalister at Tell Gezer. The Excavation of Gezer. Vol. II, London: John Murray, 1912, pp. 385-396.

18. Ararat Report, No. 17, May-June i988, but reconfirmed by the author in a conversation with Abraham Terian, January 18, 1992.

19. This is a better geographical term for the area around the Durupinar site.

20.Snellng, ibid., p. 33.

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Has Noah's Ark Been Found? Part II

By Dr. David Merling

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In Part I of this series I discussed the claims of Ron Wyatt, that he discovered a boat-shaped form (the Durupinar site), that the only explanation for that formation was that it was Noah's ark, and that Wyatt had located its anchors. None of these claims was proven true. In this article I will look at the scientific claims Wyatt also proposed for this site.

Scientific Analysis

It has been claimed by Wyatt that the chemical analysis he has had done prove that the Durupinar site is a decomposed wooden boat. His evidence is two lab reports which show that the carbon percentages are different within the formation (4.95%) and outside the formation (1.88%). He says these tests "positively prove it to be composed of very ancient wood and metal" (p. 12 no. 3, pp. 7-8, and his charts on pp. 27-28).' What Wyatt does not tell his readers is that both of these carbon percentages fall within the normal bounds of soil and does not show evidence of wood.

According to Morris the rocks in this formation were once molten, cooling to become an "ophiolite belt," meaning the Durupinar site contains rocks and dirt that have been altered due to the molten process.2 It is this phenomenon that has elevated the carbon percentage of the Durupinar site's soil. This same chemical process is also responsible for deceiving Wyatt into believing he has found "metal brackets and rust." According to Morris the site has many manganese nodules which are high in iron, which by the unknowing could be mistaken for iron.3

Previous explorers of the site concluded that since the Durupinar site did not contain wood, petrified or otherwise, it must be only an unusual natural rock formation. Wyatt, on the other hand, claims that the Durupinar site contains "train-loads" of petrified wood (p. 13, no. 5). The problem, according to Wyatt, is that the "petrified wood" of the Durupinar site is different from any other petrified wood. It has no growth rings.

Since his petrified wood has no growth rings, he concludes that the Durupinar site proves that trees before the flood had no growth rings {pp. 15-16, 73). To strengthen his point, Wyatt uses a quote about a tree identified as Sigillaria as "proof" that pre-flood trees had no growth rings (pp. 15).

Sigillaria, like much of the pre-flood flora and fauna are not known in the post-flood world. Scientists have, however cataloged over 200 species of petrified trees, many of them related to trees of today, and these trees all have growth rings.4 Harold Coffin writes, "Wyatt refers to extinct giant club mosses that do not have growth rings as evidence that preflood trees do not have growth rings. The giant club moss, Sigillata, could be compared with papaya, or banana or other fast-growing trees with pulpy wood. Yes, it does not have growth rings but that is not evidence for preflood conifers or deciduous trees. They do have good growth rings. I have spent years studying petrified trees in various areas of North America, in Patigonia [sic], and in Australia. They have growth rings if they are trees that normally are expected to have rings."5 The lack of growth rings, in what Wyatt thinks is wood, is evidence that the Durupinar "boat" is not made of wood.

Wyatt claims that his results with radar scan "showed what can only be identified as a keel, keelsons and bulkheads from a boat of tremendous size" (p. 18). Others have attempted to reduplicate Wyatt's results with radar scans without success. Tom Fenner, of the Geophysical Survey Systems Inc. (GSSI) also mentioned by Wyatt (pp. 17-18), says, "In 1987 I performed an extensive GPR [ground-penetrating radar] study in an attempt to characterize any shallow subsurface features in the boat-shaped formation at the site. . . .A great deal of effort was put into repeating the radar measurements acquired in 1986 by Wyatt and Fasold....After numerous attempts over a period of one and a half days we were unable to duplicate their radar records in any way... I was never convinced the site was the remains of Noah's Ark. In fact the more time I spent on the site, the more skeptical I became."6

John Baumgardner, a creationist and geophysicist, was an early supporter of the Durupinar site being Noah's ark. Since then he has had the opportunity to evaluate the site by performing his own tests. Instead of proving the formation to be Noah's ark, he discovered additional evidence that it is a natural formation. Baumgardner's seismic tests found an outcropping of stone that runs below the surface and diagonally through the formation, which shows that the Durupinar site is really a relatively shallow phenomenon not consistent with any type of man-made structure. "Although formerly convinced that this formation was probably the remains of the ark, Dr. Baumgardner now believes there is less than a 10 per cent chance that anything man made is present."7

To further examine the Durupinar site, Wyatt has also used what he calls a "molecular frequency generator." According to Wyatt this "new type of metal detector" discovered "a distinct linear subsurface pattern" or "striations" on which "metal readings were positive while the spaces between were totally negative" (p. 17). These "striations" supposedly reveal the outline of the ark's structure. The reader should know that a "molecular frequency generator" is an upscale dowsing rod, (i.e., sticks used for "witching" for water). In this case, brass rods are supposed to be able to detect metal. Dr. Baumgardner attempted to use a metal detector to double-check the molecular frequency generator with no success.8 Dowsing has no scientific basis, therefore, I have no confidence in dowsing.

Summary and Conclusion: Is the Durupinar Site Noah's Ark?

The Durupinar site is an intriguing phenomenon that was discovered in 1959 by a Turkish army captain. It lies within the ancient Urartu territory, as one would expect of Noah's ark, and it is even roughly the same length as one would expect the ark to be.

On the other hand, the Durupinar site is not the width of the ark as specified by the biblical account, nor does it fit the Bible's description of the ark's resting place--as one of the higher elevations in its region. In addition, Wyatt s characterization of the small difference of the carbon content within and without the formation is proof only of his lack of geological training, as is his attempt to rewrite all geological understanding to explain why his "pre-flood" wood has no growth rings. His reports of the results of his subsurface radar have been disputed, even by sympathetic scientists who have attempted them.

In short, Wyatt's "train-load" of evidence falls far short of his claims. He does not even show his readers the train, much less, the train-load of evidence. The Durupinar site is undoubtedly a natural formation. Noah's ark has yet to be found.

Guidelines for Evaluating Claims

The Institute of Archaeology at Andrews University regularly receives letters from those who make claims of discoveries. For example, during the last few years several individuals have claimed they know exactly where the ark of the covenant is located - all proposing different places f Yet, all are positive as to its whereabouts. Sometimes these individuals claim that they have been divinely lead in their discoveries, and occasionally, they even warn us that if we fail to help it may lead to God's disapproval. The following guidelines are useful in evaluating claims of discovery.

See the Evidence Before You Believe

Reliable sources provide the evidence before they ask you to believe. Wyatt says that he has discovered the building techniques of the pyramids, but "it will be published in our forthcoming book" (p. 31). He has discovered the location of ancient "Succoth," but he gives no evidence (p. 31). He has discovered chariot parts from pharaoh's army, but "the details, photographs and analysis are included in our forthcoming book" (p. 32). He has discovered the burial crypts of giants, but "the facts and photographs of this discovery will appear in our forthcoming book" (p. 33) . He has discovered the location of the ark of the covenant, but "it will be necessary for you to wait for the details and photographs of most of our discoveries" (p. 34). He has discovered the real Mount Sinai but ha gives his readers no evidence to substantiate his claims. As I write this article it has been five years since Wyatt has published these words, "We are presently finishing the full-sized book on Noah's Ark, complete with all the details of the search and final verification." Where is that book?

I am especially suspicious of what I call, "the dog ate it evidence." Many would be "discoverers" would show the evidence, BUT the government stole it or the film didn't develop right or they lost it, and so forth. In Wyatt's case, he would have the evidence of pharaoh's chariots, and the location of the ark of the covenant, but he got a sunburn and had to catch his plane (p. 33, 62) . Always sea the evidence before believing any claim(s) .

Check the Evidence with Someone Not Involved

Wyatt admits that he has been criticized for his research methods, and I know why. Researchers are put-off by those who make claims that are ridiculous. For example, Wyatt writes, "However, the years of studying every piece of ancient history and archaeologically-related research had brought me to the brink of several other startling discoveries" (p. 30., emphasis mine) . I know of no professional that would claim he/she had studied every piece of information in his/her discipline.

As an archaeologist, after reading Wyatt's claims for himself and seeing his elementary and obvious archaeological errors (e.q., Habiru, p. 32 and Joseph and the Step Pyramid, p. 54), it is difficult to take seriously his major claims. Harold Coffin's response after reading Wyatt's book was, "Naturally I have no problem with the discovery of Noah's ark, but the multitude of inaccuracies and errors certainly turns one off who has some information."9 In short, consult with those who can evaluate the knowledge of the discoverer and his/her claims.

Do not Worry about a "Coverup" Conspiracy

Every would-be discoverer would show the evidence, but there is a big "coverup." Usually, it's the scholars that are fearful that if the discovery were known, it would "disprove their atheistic theories." For a long time ark searchers were able to blame the Russian government who was afraid that Noah's ark would be found. Human nature is such that if Noah's ark (or the Ten Commandments or the ark of the covenant) is found by an atheist he/she will want the credit for finding it.

Finding of Noah's ark will not change anyone's mind about the Bible, or make them become Christians. Jesus, himself, said if people reject the message of the Bible they will not listen, even if a cadaver came to life (Luke 16:31).

Sincerity Is Not "Proof"

Most of those who make claims of discovery seem sincere, so sincere that they are willing to break laws or endanger the safety of their friends or families. Wyatt sees the laws of Saudi Arabia are of little importance compared to his mission. He just breaks their laws (p. 44). What he considers badges of honor ("jailed as a spy, shot at by terrorists, beaten, robbed and persecuted"--see the back cover of his book), appear t,o be evidences of poor judgment. When you are analyzing a report, remind yourself that sincerity can never replace reliable evidence. One can be sincerely wrong.

Can God Be Wrong?

Most of those who claim to have found "amazing discoveries" seldom do it alone. They claim to be "agents of God." Sometimes they have discovered secret codes in the writings of Ellen White or the Bible or at other times God has openly spoken to them. Wyatt tells his readers that the Lord elected him as an act of mercy (p. 90), that he prayed for an earthquake that occurred after his prayer (p. 7), that his words and body are sometimes involuntari1y controlled by God's power (p. 33-34), that the way he made many of his discoveries was by being "impressed" by God (p. 42), that his "discovery" of the building techniques of the pyramids came from a dream (p. 53-54). Much of his book is designed to convince the reader of Wyatt's unique relationship with God.10

I believe in the gift of prophecy, but I never accept the claims of those who profess that power before I evaluate their evidence. I accept or reject their claims because of the evidence provided and then I know if they really are God's messengers (2 Timothy 4:3).

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Endnotes

1.Unless otherwise noted, all references in this artide are to Wyatt, Ron. Discovered: Noah's Ark, Nashvi11e: World Bible Society, 1989.

2. Morris, John. "The Boat-Shaped Rock:, Creation Ex Nihilo, Vol. 2, No. 4., p. 18.

3. Ibid.

4. Coffin, Harold. Origin by Design, Hagerstown, MD: 'Ihe Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1982, p. 213.

5. Letter to the author, dated January 13, 1993.*

6. Snelling, Andrew A. "Amazing 'Ark' Expose," Creation Ex Nihilo, Vol 14, p. 30. 1%s statement was verified by the author in a telephone conversation with Tom Penner on January 13, 1992.

7. Moms, ibid., pp. 18-19. On April 22, 1993 I spoke with Dr. John Baumgardner by telephone. During our conversation I asked him whether or not he still believed that the boat-shaped form was Noah's ark. His answer was, "No." He explained that when the "dust (from the initial excitement) settled" he began to consider the evidence. It was then he realized that there were natural explanations for the boatshaped form. He specifically mentioned the ridge of rode that runs through the formation as consistent with a natural occurrence.

8. Ibid., p 18. In my conversation with Dr. Baumgardner I asked him to describe a Molecular Frequency Generator. He said, "It is a form of dowsing."

9. Letter written to David Merling, dated January 13, 1993.*

10. Wyatt has an entire chapter entitled "My Testimony" which has the primary purpose of declaring how God has uniquely lead his life through dreams and "impressions," see pages 53-66.


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Thanks to this new modern media tecnology that we have, it is far more easy to show things to people that it had ever been in our history. Below is a link to a detailed documentary showing the archaeological scientific investigation of this incredible artifact.


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Somebody asked me if Noah’s Ark really existed. That got me thinking about it. Because if it did not exist, then the bible would not be true but if it did exist, then the accounts about Noah’s Ark that we can read on the bible, is basically TRUE! So, I researched on nothing else but Google and it led me to YouTube where I watched a video about Ron Wyatt and his team who discovered Noah’s Ark here on planet earth. Sounds interesting! I will share the videos here and if you do have time to watch it, please tell on the comments area what you think about it. Thank you very much 
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Working Replica of Noah's Ark Opens In Schagen, Netherlands

Noahs Ark Replica in Netherlands

This is truly amazing! Cannot even imagine the work time and money that went into this venture.

It's also amazing to see how large this is - and that the fact it is to scale of biblical times. Enjoy.

Working Replica of Noah's Ark Opens In SCHAGEN, Netherlands.

The massive central door in the side of Noah's Ark was thrown open Saturday for the first crowd of curious Pilgrims and townsfolk to behold the wonder.

Of course, it's only a replica of the biblical Ark, built by Dutch Creationist Johan Huibers as a testament to his faith in the literal truth of the Bible.

The ark is 150 cubits long, 30 cubits high and 20 cubits wide. That's two-thirds the length of a football field and as high as a three-story house. Life-size models of giraffes, elephants, lions, crocodiles, zebras, bison and other animals greet visitors as they arrive in the main hold.

A contractor by trade, Huibers built the ark of cedar and pine -

Biblical Scholars debate exactly what the wood used by Noah would have been.

Huibers did the work mostly with his own hands, using modern tools and with occasional help from his son Roy. Construction began in May 2005.

On the uncovered top deck - not quite ready in time for the opening - will come a petting zoo, with baby lambs and chickens, and goats, and one camel.

Visitors on the first day were stunned.

'It's past comprehension, ' said Mary Louise Starosciak, who happened to be bicycling by with her husband while on vacation when they saw The ark looming over the local landscape. 'I knew the story of Noah, but I had no idea the boat would have been so big.'

There is enough space near the keel for a 50-seat film theater where kids can watch a video that tells the story of Noah and his ark.

Huibers said he hopes the project will renew interest in Christianity in the Netherlands , where church going has fallen dramatically in the past 50 years. ''If You Need Help, Ask God. If You Don't, Thank God''... 'Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.' Psalm 23:6 When there is nothing left but God, that is when you find out that God is all you need. Live today to the fullest because tomorrow is not promised.

http://newsblaze.com/story/20080919073434z...b/topstory.html

Images of the Ark replica:

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It was built on top of a barge, but I don't really have a problem with that.

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Posted: Oct 24 2010, 09:21 AM
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What other proof or evidence is there?

Well for one thing, they, besides finding the Ark, they also found the anchor stones.

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Underwater view of ark carrying the large anchor stones.
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This stately object was used to produce a smoother ocean ride for Noah and his family.
It is 11 feet tall, with four feet underground.
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Many crosses have been added since the original eight, which are in a different style.


On one or more of the stones were found eight crosses that represented Noah and his family and were possibly even carved by them. At a later date other crosses, in a different style, were added.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/arkkazanch3vid.JPG
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/arkkazanch4vid.JPG

Even more remarkable was that also on one of the anchor stones, an image of the legendary Tower of Babel was carved.

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Another anchor stone still partially buried.  A carving of the tower of Babel, actually located in southern Turkey, may have been carved by someone who had seen it then returned to this area.
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Another partially buried anchor stone with ancient writing along the top.
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The region around the ark has a rich history of evidence identifying this area as the correct landing place for the ark. 

The valley below the ark is interpreted as The Valley of Eight.

The name for the mountain where the ark rests is interpreted as Doomsday mountain.

The village where the majority of the anchor stones are found is called Kazan or The Place of Eight.

The anchor stones were cut from the ark as the waters were receding.  We will look at the anchor or drogue stones found in this village about 15 miles from the ark at the end of The Valley of Eight.

Thirteen giant anchor or drogue stones have been located in the area. Each stone weighs several tons, and they range in height from six to ten feet.  Holes were drilled in these stones, and they were hung by large ropes and attached to the keelsons that extended from the rear of the ark.  They were used to stabilize the ark and keep the rear facing on-coming waves.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noahsarkstones.htm

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Posted: Oct 24 2010, 09:37 AM
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This is how it was squelched...

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Amateur Noah's Ark explorer Ronald Wyatt dies at 66
 
Ronald Eldon Wyatt, 66, an amateur archaeologist and adventurer who spent 22 years exploring sites in the Middle East that he believed were the remains of the biblical Noah's Ark, died yesterday in Baptist Central Hospital in Memphis, of cancer.

After more than 30 trips to the region of Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey, Mr. Wyatt was convinced that he had found the remains of the Ark.

Many of the artifacts he said were petrified timber from the Ark were brought to America and displayed in Wyatt's museum in Cornersville, Tenn.

Mr. Wyatt, an anesthetist at Nashville's Summit Medical Center, made claims that both outraged and fascinated his Ark-seeking colleagues.

Since the 1980s he was convinced that he had found the Ark encased in a boat-shaped mound in Turkey. He produced lab results for carbon, iron oxides and metal alloys at the site and subsurface radar suggesting a structural pattern of a rib-like outline and compartments.

Others who sought the Ark discounted his claims, but Mr. Wyatt tolerated their doubts. In a 1997 interview he said, "They have a bit of a problem with me finding things that have been right under their noses. The only people I get static from are those who wish they'd found it."

He believed that his archaeological revelation was discovered with God's help and that it was God's way of revitalizing faith in the scripture and divine conviction.

"I personally believe that he has the divine providence of the Almighty, because nobody has done what he's done," said a friend, Claude Cockrell Jr.

Cockrell, who said he had known Mr. Wyatt for 20 years, recalled watching his friend field questions about the Bible and answer them flawlessly. "I've never known a man to know the Bible like he did."

Mr. Wyatt's convictions were tested in 1991 when he and a team of four other Ark-searchers were kidnapped by Kurdish rebels in the Ararat mountains. The group was released after about three weeks.

Services will be 2:30 p.m. tomorrow AUG6 at Oakes & Nichols Funeral Home in Columbia, Tenn., with burial in Polk Memorial Gardens. Visitation with the family will be 4-8 p.m. today AUG5 at the funeral home.

Survivors include his wife, Mary Nell Sharpe Brunotts Wyatt, Spring Hill; a daughter, Michelle Brown, Madison; a stepdaughter, Amanda Brunotts, Fort Lauderdale, Fla.; two sons, Daniel, Hendersonville, and Ronald E. Wyatt III, Goodlettsville; his parents, Hobert and Lottie Wyatt, Livingston, Ky.; five sisters, Freda Osgood, Indiana, Carol Niswonger, Redding, Calif., Geneva Rucker, Centerville, Tenn., Ruth Rogers, Chillicothe, Ill., and Rita Carpenter of Livingston, Ky.; three brothers, William, Edelstein, Ill., Ralph, Salem, Ore., Earl Wyatt, Livingston; and six grandchildren.

Memorials may be made to Wyatt Archaeological Research, 3413 Green's Mill Road, Spring Hill, Tenn. 37174.


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Posted: Oct 24 2010, 10:22 AM
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There is a lot of controversy whether this is Noah's Ark.

Special report: Amazing ‘Ark’ exposé
Spectacular claims, a misleading video, people misquoted and misrepresented … it's no wonder many have asked the question … could this be Noah’s ark?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp

A Great Christian Scam
By Gary Amirault
http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7-AGrea...istianScam.html

I did something that I don't normally do.. I used an online bible code search engine and found Ron Wyatt's name mentioned between (Genesis 31:32) and (Exodus 32:11) 78 times so there could be some validity about Wyat's claims. My name ain't even in there.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/ron-wyatt

This is just so amazing... Not only is Ron Wyatt's mane mentioned 78 times, but when Noah's Ark is added to it, (drum roll) they both appear together 78 times from (Exodus 12:5) to (Nehemiah 9:35 )
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/ron-wyatt-noahs-ark/1

Of course it is an english translation of the bible so it is possible that someone could have inserted both his name and the Ark in there quite a few times using the ELS matrix system. chinscratch.gif bustingupNEW3.gif

I think not.

Ron Wyat's name is mentioned over 100 times between (Genesis 31:32) and (Nehemiah 9:35 ) which is just simply amazing.


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Posted: Oct 24 2010, 10:38 AM
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Ron Wyatt's name is also mentioned 23 times in Conjunction with SODOM And GOMORRAH.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/ron-wy...om-and-gomorrah

His name also pops up 23 times in conjunction with the Red Sea.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/ron-wyatt-red-sea

Wyatt also claimed to have found archaeological evidence as to where it was that Moses crossed the Red Sea BTW.

He also conducted some research on Mount Sinai and Mount Sinai is mentioned a staggering 48 times in conjunction with his name.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/ron-wyatt-mount-sinai

Wyatt also did some archaeological work concerning the Ark of the Covenant. However, three of the words were too short so I used his name in conjunction with Covenant and that combination popped up 78 times. WOW!!!
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/ron-wyatt-covenant

This is Wyatt's website which is entitled Wyatt Archaeological Research otherwise known as WAR.
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/index.htm




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Posted: Oct 24 2010, 11:23 AM
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This is so cool.

Satan's name is mentioned an astonishing 978 times.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/satan

Jesus Christ is mentionerd only 372 times and only in the New Testament and Satan starts being mentioned in (Genesis 3:14 )
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/jesus-christ/1

Devil is mentioned 118 times.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/devil

However none of the angels or fallen ones named in the book of Enoch are in the Bible except for:

Danieal mentioned 4 times.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/danieal

Hermoni mentioned 2 times.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/hermoni

Matarel mentioned only once.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/matarel

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(6) The Aramaic texts preserve an earlier list of names of these Watchers: Semihazah; Artqoph; Ramtel; Kokabel; Ramel; Danieal; Zeqiel; Baraqel; Asael; Hermoni; Matarel; Ananel; Stawel; Samsiel; Sahriel; Tummiel; Turiel; Yomiel; Yhaddiel (Milik, p. 151).

http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm

So that it could mean that only three of them remain however if we look at the Egyptian Gods Toth and Set, we find somethng amazing.

Toth is mentioned 28200 times beginning with (Genesis 0:0).
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/toth

Set is mentioned 231234 times beginning with (Genesis 1:1).
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/set

God is mentioned 23417 beginning with (Genesis 1:1)
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/god

I'm just testing this program out... winkNEW.gif

Wow!!! Ron Wyatt and God are mentioned together 78 times beginning with (Genesis 31:29). Very interesting.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/ron-wyatt-god

OK I'm going to eventually take this back to my New Chemtrail Theory thread because I'm getting hits on other dieties besides the Egyptian ones Toth and Set. blinkNEW.gif


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Posted: Oct 25 2010, 09:37 AM
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I found this account of the flood rather interesting...

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We Hopi believe that the human race has passed through three different worlds and life ways since the beginning. At the end of each prior world, human life has been purified or punished by the Great Spirit "Massauu" due mainly to corruption, greed and turning away from the Great Spirit's teachings. The last great destruction was the flood which destroyed all but a few faithful ones who asked and received a permission from the Great Spirit to live with Him in this new land. The Great Spirit said, "It is up to you, if you are willing to live my poor, humble and simple life way. It is hard but if you agree to live according to my teachings and instructions, if you never lose faith in the life I shall give you, you may come and live with me." The Hopi and all who were saved from the great flood made a sacred covenant with the Great Spirit at that time. We Hopi made an oath that we will never turn away from Him. For us the Creators laws never change or break down.

To the Hopi the Great Spirit is all powerful. He appeared to the first people as a man and talked with them in the beginning of this creation world. He taught us how to live, to worship, where to go and what food to carry, gave us seeds to plant and harvest. He gave us a set of sacred stone tablets into which He breathed all teachings in order to safeguard his land and life. In these stone tablets were made, instructions and prophecies and warnings. This was done with the help of a Spider woman and Her two grandsons. They were wise and powerful helpers of the Great Spirit.

Before the Great Spirit went into hiding, He and Spider woman put before the leaders of the different groups of people many colors and sized of corn for them to choose their food in this world. The Hopi was the last to pick and then choose their food in this world. The Hopi then choose the smallest ear of corn. Then Massauu said, "You have shown me you are wise and humble for this reason you will be called Hopi (people of peace) and I will place in your authority all land and life to guard, protect and hold trust for Me until I return to you in later days for I am the First and the Last.
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http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/chiefdan.html

Of course the above account is just one of many with a few of them fanciful and based on myth, but a few of them are really interesting...

Flood Stories from Around the World
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html#ArnhemLand


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