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I've been saying this for quite some time and always come under attack.

The bible we use today has been tainted with texts omitted, parts re-written and then transcribed into at least 5 languages over the centuries, (Sumerian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Hebrew, Greek, Latin) and then finally into English in 1607 on the order of King James.

Maybe one day we'll all know what the original texts were.

I've heard of these 3 omitted texts so far:

Lost Gospel of Thomas
Book of Enoch
Emerald Tablets of Thoth (Hermes)

Whether you believe it or not, some of todays bible stems from Egypt.

This is a long read but very informative for those who seek.


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Behind The Bible Fraud - What Was The Church Trying To Hide?
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New Dawn Magazine.com
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"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us."
~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)


When I first spoke to a close Christian friend of mine about the publishing of Tony Bushby's The Bible Fraud, her reaction was one that many Christians have expressed, and one that made me aghast. She didn't want the book available because it would "persuade them away from the Bible and the word of God." Further discussions with her and many other Christians around the world about The Bible Fraud all result in the Bible being quoted as the ultimate reference for the apparent "words of God," and therefore the basis for their arguments. The problem lies in that they believe the Bible is infallible.

If we examine the oldest known Bible to date, the "Sinai Bible" housed in the British Museum (I believe that, during his many years of research, Tony had a private viewing of this priceless book), we find a staggering 14,800 differences from today's Bible and yet it still remains the word of God?

As Tony points out, the history of our 'genuine' Bibles is a convoluted one. Firstly we cannot be sure that we have the full version as it was originally intended. In 1415 the Church of Rome took an extraordinary step to destroy all knowledge of two second century Jewish books that it said contained the true name of Jesus Christ. The Antipope Benedict XIII firstly singled out for condemnation a secret Latin treatise called "Mar Yesu" and then issued instructions to destroy all copies of the book of Elxai. The Rabbinic fraternity once held the destroyed manuscripts with great reverence for they were comprehensive original records reporting the life of Rabbi Jesus.

Later, Pope Alexander VI ordered all copies of the Talmud destroyed, with the Spanish Grand Inquisitor Tomas de Torquemada (1420-98) responsible for the elimination of 6,000 volumes at Salamanca alone.

Solomon Romano (1554) also burnt many thousands of Hebrew scrolls and, in 1559, every Hebrew book in the city of Prague was confiscated. The mass destruction of Jewish books included hundreds of copies of the Old Testament and caused the irretrievable loss of many original handwritten documents.

The oldest text of the Old Testament that survived, before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls" was said to be the Bodleian Codex (Oxford), which was dated to circa 1100 AD. In an attempt by the church to remove damaging Rabbinic information about Jesus Christ from the face of the earth, the Inquisition burnt 12,000 volumes of the Talmud.

In 1607, forty-seven men (some records say fifty four) took two years and nine months to re-write the Bible and make it ready for press. It was, by the order of King James, issued with a set of personal 'rules' the translators were to follow. Upon its completion in 1609, it was handed over to the King James for his final approval. However, "It was self evident that James was not competent to check their work and edit it, so he passed the manuscripts onto the greatest genius of all time... Sir Francis Bacon"

The first English language manuscripts of the Bible remained in Bacon's possession for nearly a year. During that time ... "he hammered the various styles of the translators into the unity, rhythm, and music of Shakespearean prose, wrote the prefaces and created the whole scheme of the Authorized Version. At the completion of the editing, King James ordered a 'dedication to the King' to be drawn up and included in the opening pages. He also wanted the phrase 'Appointed to be read in the churches' to appear on the title page.

The King James Bible is considered by many today to be the 'original' Bible and therefore 'genuine' and all later revisions simply counterfeits forged by 'higher critics'. Others think the King James Bible is 'authentic' and 'authorized' and presents the original words of the authors as translated into English from the 'original' Greek texts. However, as Tony points out, the 'original' Greek text was not written until around the mid fourth century and was a revised edition of writings compiled decades earlier in Aramaic and Hebrew. Those earlier documents no longer exist and the Bibles we have today are five linguistic removes from the first bibles written. What was written in the 'original originals' is quite unknown. It is important to remember that the words 'authorized' and 'original', as applied to the Bible do not mean 'genuine', 'authentic' or 'true'.

By the early third century, it became well noted that a problem was occurring . politics! In 251AD, the number of Presbyter's (roving orator or priest) writings had increased dramatically and bitter arguments raged between opposing factions about their conflicting stories. According to Presbyter Albius Theodoret (circa 255), there were "more than two hundred" variant gospels in use in his time. In 313, groups of Presbyters and Biscops (Bishops) violently clashed over the variations in their writings and "altar was set against altar" in competing for an audience and territory.

When Emperor Constantine conquered the East in 324, he sent his Spanish religious advisor, Osius of Cordoba, to Alexandria with letters to several Biscops exhorting them to make peace among their own. But the mission failed and Constantine, probably at the suggestions of Osius, then issued a decree commanding all Presbyters and their subordinates "be mounted on asses, mules and horses belonging to the public and travel to the city of Nicaea" in the Roman province of Bithymia, the country of Asia. The Presbyters were instructed by the Emperor to bring with them the manuscripts from which they orated to the rabble (that's us!) "wrapped and bound in leather".

Constantine saw in this developing system of belief the opportunity to make a combined state religion and protect it by law. The first general church council was thus convened and the year was 325.

On 21 June, the day of the Summer Solstice, (and under those cult conditions) a total of 2048 "presbyters, deacons, sub-deacons, acolytes and exorcists" gathered at Nicaea to decide what Christianity really was, what it would be, what writings were to be used and who was to be it's God.

Ancient church evidence established that a new 'god' was to be approved by the Roman Emperor and an earlier attempt (circa 210) to deify either Judas Khrestus or his twin brother Rabbi Jesus (or somebody else) had been 'declined'. Therefore, as late as 325, the Christian religion did not have an official god.

After a long and bitter debate, a vote was finally taken and it was with a majority show of hands that Judas Khrestus and Rabbi Jesus both became God (161votes for and 157 votes against). The Emperor effectively joined elements of the two individual life stories of the twin brothers into a singular creation. The doctrine of the Celtic / British church of the west was democratically attached to the Presbyters stories of the east.

A deification ceremony was then performed 'Apotheosis'. Thus the deified ones were then called 'saviours' and looked upon as gods. Temples, altars, and images with attributes of divinity were then erected and public holidays proclaimed on their birthdays.

Following the original example set by the deification of Caesar, their funerals were dramatized as the scene of their resurrection and immortality. All these godly attributes passed as a legal right to Emperor Constantine's new deity, Jesus Christ.

The Emperor then instructed Bishop Eusebius to compile a uniform collection of new writings "bound together as one" using the stories from the large collection of Presbyters as his reference source. Eusebius was to arrange for the production of "fifty sumptuous copies ... to be written on parchment in a legible manner, and in a convenient portable form, by professional scribes thoroughly accomplished in the art". This was the first mention of finished copies of a Christian 'New Testament' in the history of mankind.

As one can imagine, to condense the real life of the Jesus Christ, the Church and His teachings with supporting evidence into a short article is very difficult. It is therefore wise for those who wish to have supportable evidence to read and study Tony Bushby's epic work, The Bible Fraud, along with it's detailed blood lines (family trees) and over 869 references.

See: http://www.thebiblefraud.com)

However, attempting to summarize what Tony has written..... in 325 AD, the first Christian council was called at Nicaea to bring the stories of twin brothers, Jesus 'the Rabbi' and Judas Khrestus into one deity that we now know as Jesus Christ. Tony says they were not born of virgin birth but to Nabatean Arab Mariamne Herod (now known as the Virgin Mary) and fathered by Tiberius ben Panthera, a Roman Centurion. The brothers were raised in the Essene community and became Khrists of their faith. Rabbi Jesus later was initiated in Egypt at the highest of levels similar to the 33rd degree of Freemasonry of which many Prime ministers and Presidents around the world today are members. He then later married three wives, one of whom we know as a Mary Magdalene, a Druidic Princess, stole the Torah from the temple and moved to Lud, now London.

Tony believes the reason Jesus stole the Torah was that he said it contained "a very special secret", which he was going to reveal that secret to the world. He was stoned to death and the Torah taken from him before he could.

The elder brother, Judas Khrestus, with his "Khrestian" followers conspired to take the throne of Rome, his royal birthright, and was captured, tried, and was sentenced to be crucified. (The "Khrestians" and the Essenic army, the Nazarenes, would today be likened to terrorists.) At the trial, Judas exercised his royal birthright to have a replacement in Simon of Cyrene (Luke 23:41) and then was sold as a slave to live out his days as a carpenter in India.

Rabbi Jesus spent a considerable amount of time at the Palace of the British in Rome and sometime around 48 AD, he left for Egypt to pursue his greatest esoteric goal. The spiritual knowledge from his secret education in the Essene and Druid movements was soon to be elevated to the highest level possible - initiation into the innermost rite of the Egyptian temples.

It was probable that Rabbi Jesus' earlier initiation into both the Essene and Druid schools played a major part in his acceptance into the Egyptian school. The Druids could claim a very early origin and the essence of their wisdom was also that of the Essenes. In the case of the Essenes, it is possible to show that their movement was specifically established to preserve secret information, for they knew and used the sacred writing of the Initiates. The full meaning of the point being made by Bushby is that in the case of all Secret Schools, the inner and ultimate Mystery was revealed only to a High Initiate.

Those who were initiated into the Ancient mysteries took a solemn oath never to reveal what had passed within the sacred walls. Every year only a comparatively few Egyptian initiations were conducted, and the number of persons who knew their secrets was never at any time large. The initiations always took place with the onset of darkness and the candidate was entranced for periods of varying length, depending upon the level of the degree for which he had entered.

The first initiatory step involved a forty-day procedure that basically involved purification, not only in physical form, but dissolving all tendencies to evil thoughts, purifying the mind as well. It appears that he would have fasted, alternatively on vegetables, juices and very special herbal concoctions.

The New Testament recorded that this happened to Rabbi Jesus who "was led into the desert.... and he fasted forty days and forty nights" (Matt. 4:1-2).

This trial period involved more than just fasting. During the forty days and nights' ordeal, Tony says the candidate was required to study astronomical charts to supplement his skills in astronomy and memorize charts of the heavens. They were also given a particular ritual from which to memorize certain passwords, secret signs and handclasps, skills that are still practiced to this day in Freemasonry.

These initiations were not limited to Egypt. The ancient civilizations inherited these Mysteries from a remote antiquity and they constituted part of a primitive revelation from the gods to the human race. Almost every people of pre-Christian times possessed its institution and tradition of the mysteries. The Romans, the Druids of Britain, the Greeks, the Cretans, the Syrians, the Hindus, the Persians, the Maya and the American Indians, among others, had corresponding temples and rites with a system of graduated illuminations for the initiates.

The modern world knows little of these ancient rites yet they were conducted in a huge variety of buildings the world over.

The 'Towers' that are found throughout the East in Asia were directly connected with the Mystery-initiations. The candidates for initiation were placed in them for three days and three nights, whenever there was no temple with a subterranean crypt close at hand.

In this aspect of the initiatory procedure, Tony points out a direct Gospel parallel with Rabbi Jesus saying, "After three days I shall rise again", for he knew the finishing process he was to undertake would take three days being a symbol of the period of time required to complete a condition of development. The ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic texts speak of an initiate as 'twice-born', and he was permitted to add to his name the words 'he who has renewed his life', so that on some ancient tomb-inscriptions archaeologists still discover these phases descriptive of the spiritual status of the deceased person.

So little did the later Gospel writers understand the initiatory process that they never perceived they were developing a story that included a Rabbi's (and Arch Druid of Britain) experience in an Egyptian Mystery School.

St Austin (c. 380) asserted that it was generally known in church circles that Rabbi Jesus had been initiated in Egypt, and that "he wrote books concerning magic". In the Gospel of Nicodemus, the Jews brought the same accusation before Pontius Pilate, "Did we not tell you he was a magician?" Celsus (c. 178) spoke of the same charge. In the Clementine Recognitions, the accusation was brought against Rabbi Jesus that he did not perform any miracles but practiced magic and carried about with him the figure of a seated skeleton.

Jewish tradition invariably asserted that Rabbi Jesus learned 'magic' in Egypt. Bushby says the kernel of this persistent accusation may perhaps be reduced to the simple historical element that Rabbi Jesus went to Egypt and returned with far wider and more enlightened views than those of his former religious associates.

Now, I'm sure that many of you are having trouble grasping some of the ideas presented in this article and I congratulate you on taking the effort to read this far.

We all need to demand our local Church, the Church scholars, theologians and media make an open examination of the evidence compiled in Tony Bushby's The Bible Fraud. It may rattle some core beliefs but what is more important to you, the truth or what sits comfortably because it's what you've known all you life?

I leave you with a quote from one of the conspirators

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~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)


Article first published in New Dawn Magazine No 71, March 2002

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Posted: Jun 21 2005, 08:36 PM
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I'm not agreeing that the entire bible is a fraud as I believe some very powerful words can be found in it, but they are buried under thousands of pages of text.

When I stumble across some, I post the quoted scriptures... such as this:

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~ Ephesians 6:12


I believe that scripture above refers to the unseen ones who manipulate our world via the bloodlines of the former gods which are the corrupt government and pedophile blood thirsty religious leaders of today.




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Interesting article Pupp, there are 43 possibly 47 books omitted from the bible,they are around and can be tracked down as I have read quite a few of them.I will post the list when I get a chance,the two you mentioned above are included but Thoth would be ancient Egyptian (Hermetic).Many believe the bible was altered at the council of Nicea-325ad and also in 554ad at the council of constantinople,such changes as total removal of references to reincarnation for better control of the populace,people would be easier to control if they believed they only had one life to get it right!lol. Also if any research is done on popes throughout history you could only come to one conclusion, which I will leave for the seeker to come to. In some estimates by various people there have been over 60 million people killed in the name of Christiondom since its inception. There are many facets to the holy roman church that also exist to this day,the things that the mainstream media publish is very tame to the many atrosaties they commit. The vatican has a sort of secret police(enforcers) of their own called the Jesuits. If anyone is interested I will give a link to the vatican secret library but everything is in Latin or Italian. There is much to uncover if the seeker is willing to do the work,and what you will find will astonish you. sun.gif satchmo


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Hey satchmo, thanks for the input.

I believe I have a thread on some "Pope History" here in this RELIGION section.

I've come to the conclusion that the popes are of the bloodline that rules the world today and they are not what they appear to be.

Here's some more info from Jack Manuelian who claims the Popes were infiltrated.

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By Jack Manuelian
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Jews adopted then a different tactic, that of infiltrating secretly Christianity and destroying/weakening it from inside, some of those infiltrators were able even to become popes.


The posting of the article "Religious Engineering: Behind The Bible Fraud" in Rense.com recently is another proof that the war between Christ-hating Jews and Christ-loving believers has not ended and that article and similar disinformation is part of this ongoing war which started after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

What is not known to the general public nowadays that there was a real "war" and competitiveness going on between the early Christians and Jews who were unable to understand the message of Jesus Christ.

Religious Jews then and before the Middle Ages were very much aggressive in proselytizing for their religion and promulgating it among the gentiles, that is converting gentiles to Judaism, to the point that every town and city of Ancient Roman empire had Jewish population and Jewish religious buildings and Rome had granted to the Jews a special privileged status. Those Jews of Roman Empire were not all from Judah and Jerusalem, the majority were gentiles converted to the Jewish religion, the most famous of those converts was emperor Nero who slaughtered the Christians in the sport arenas after accusing them of burning Rome, an act which Nero himself ordered secretly. He blamed the Christians for the burning and was given a free hand in massacring and persecuting the Christians of his time. (How ironic! it looks like an early 9/11. Since Rome did not have skyscrapers, the emperor burned the city of Rome)

The war between Jews and Christians was not confined in verbal and written arguments, debates and name calling. Massacres and bloody killings were committed by both sides. And as the case is in any war, this conflict between Jews and Christians had its information/disinformation/misinformation side or department.

Jews who were after converts and were earnest in controlling and keeping those converts by their false propaganda about Jesus, stopped their aggressive proselytizing by/before the early Middle Ages when it was apparent that Christians had won when most countries and states in the "battle-field" had adopted Christianity as their state religion and had Christian rulers over them. Jews adopted then a different tactic, that of infiltrating secretly Christianity and destroying/weakening it from inside, some of those infiltrators were able even to become popes. After adopting this new tactic Jews put a stop to their proselytizing activities.

Herod and the rest of the leaders who crucified Jesus (also beheaded John the Baptist and organized the persecution of the Christians) belonged to a secret organization by the name of "The Invisible Force." A careful reader of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion will notice that this "Invisible Force" is mentioned there. Where did that reference came in the Protocols? Most likely from the name of that secret organization.

This same secret organization through the use of Freemasonry will send the Christians of USA to the guillotines for beheading (as it is commanded them to do by their false god: cut off their heads) when a martial law and NWO takes effects in USA.

Yes, the old war is not over for them until their enemies (the Christians) are vanquished.

Hopefully, I will be able to write Part II of this article if time permits. PEACE BE TO ALL OF YOU and may His Light shine upon all of you!

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Here is list of some of the books omited or edited out of the bible by the Council of Nicea/Council of Constantinople.
  • Barnabus
  • I Clement
  • II Clement
  • Christ and Abgarus
  • The Apostles Creed
  • I Hermas Visions
  • II Hermas Commands
  • III Hermas Similitudes
  • Ephesians
  • I Infancy
  • II Infancy
  • Mary
  • Magnesians
  • Nicodemus
  • Paul and Seneca
  • Paul and Thecla
  • Philipains
  • Polycarp
  • Romans
  • Trallians
  • Letters of Herod and Pilate
  • The first book of Adam and Eve
  • The Second Book of Adam and Eve
  • The Secrets of Enoch
  • The Psalms of Solomon
  • The Odes of Solomon
  • The Fourth Book of Maccabees
  • The Story of Ahikar
  • The Testament of Reuben
  • Asher
  • Joseph
  • Simeon
  • Levi
  • Judah
  • Issachar
  • Zebulum
  • Dan
  • Naphtali
  • Gad
  • Benjamin


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Hi Satchmo,
Thats an interesting list - do you happen to know if all of these books are available today? I'd be interested in reading them.

I have also come to the conclusion that the bible was the first very sophisticated control program, and well advanced of todays politicians.

Deep inside religious work is some very powerful knowledge, and great efforts have been made to keep it from the masses.

The web provides a great opportunity for ordinarly people to access and learn - and long may it last.
(But just in case I'm doing as much research as possible now!)

My experiences with healing and alternative therapies show that it is the mind that creates the well-being of the physical,
yet there is no widely accepted activity or research in this area.
It is clearly off-limits and remains the domain of the religions.

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Hello Without Fear, most of the books have been liberated from the Vatican library and are available in book form and some on the internet. Here is a link to an interesting site with some of the books, the Nag Hamadi is also a worthwhile read. http://www.thenazareneway.com/main_menu.htm I have posted about the Kybalion somewhere here at Pupps from this site also. I have much respect for the Essense and many other teachings around the world, I feel there is knowledge/wisdom to be gathered from many religions for those with eyes to see.The only fully intact scroll found at Qumran(dead sea scrolls) was Isaiah, for a good comparison to the bible, as it has been translated directly from Aramaic into english, there are many discrepences throughout the bible as some feel the translations from various languages eg. Greek. Some words have many meanings.So some words may be totally out of context. There are many mixes in the Christian religion, almost as if put together from many belief systems,eg. Egyptian, Persian,Sumerian,Pagan and when you see why certain dates were picked, like Christmas day for instance,was a pagan roman holiday already celebrated before Christiandom was ever thought of. Christians do not realise that they are in actual fact celebrating the sun god Mithra on Dec 25th. There are some incredible truths the determined seeker will uncover! Imho the closest to the truth as I have said before are the indigenous people of earth,they respect nature and nature is their religion,mine too.....nature does not lie!!! sun.gif satchmo. Will post other links when I get a chance to find them.

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Thanks for the reply and link, Satchmo.

You might be interested in the book that inspired me on my journey many years ago - The Age of Reason, Thomas Paine. He was a fervent Theist, but bitterly criticised the notion that the bible was the word of God. His book is a thorough study of the bible and its shortcomings.

Unfortunately, Paine was attacked by religious people for his work, and shunned by Atheists for his belief in God, and his work largely fell upon deaf ears.

If I recall correctly, he predicted that after the publication of his book, the bible would fall into disuse within 50 years. That was over 200 years ago.

I recently visited his home town in England, and apart from a statue presentedby the American Thomas Paine Foundation, there are no other references to him.

Sad really, he was a great thinker.

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Satchmo, many of the books in your list are still in the Bible today (Ephesians, Philippians, Romans, the Psalms of Solomon). Or did you mean that they have been heavily edited? banned.gif




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Without Fear, thanks for the info on Thomas Paine, I will Have a read when I get the chance.Here is another link you may find interesting http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm Impetuosity,many of the texts have been heavily edited and have lost much of the meaning intended by doing so. That is to be expected when a religion is formed basicaly by the ruling government/emperor of the time who's motto realy should be, Do as I say,Not as I do! There are many proofs of this! even to this day. Even when we write the date(year) in the western world,we acknowledge their power and influence they still hold! sun.gif satchmo.


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Thanks Satchmo. I kinda thought that's what you meant.

I used to belong to a group of people who did not accept the accepted interpretations of the Bible and searched out instead the original meanings of each word. Some amazing new ideas started coming out that were so exciting. However, the leader set himself up as "God as Represented" and "High Priest" and they lost me there. Same ol' same ol', you know?

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Posted: Jun 24 2005, 09:45 AM
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Hi Impetuosity, sheesh,maybe I should start my own religion. Nah,just be yourself and I think you will have a lot less stress in your life,lol. Although there is all the tax free perks that you would get too??? Just another example of how religion and government go hand in hand or is it hand in pocket,lol. satchmo.


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  Posted: Jun 24 2005, 11:14 AM
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Yeah, hand in pocket, Satchmo. LOL

I *AM* already an ordained minister. Got my certificate online from the Universal Life Church, I did. Maybe I should go for those tax breaks, eh?

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Posted: Jun 24 2005, 05:22 PM
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Impetuosity, if it feels right, go for it. Ever hear of the Findhorn foundation? worth a gander,interesting how they started out and what they've accomplished so far. http://www.findhorn.org/ Have a great day. sun.gif satchmo.


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Posted: Jun 26 2005, 06:24 PM
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The bible is a collection of ancient writings going back thousands of years. To some degree it describes the history of man. It provides in allegory, prophecy, law, epistle, parables and poetry, the belief system of the Christian faith.

The specific books included in the bible were cherry picked out of many similar books. Once Christianity became a state religion, various changes and deletions were made in 325 AD during the first Council of Nicea. These changes continued well into the 12th Century. Entire books were rejected including books that included topics like reincarnation and the multi-dimensional nature of man, his soul and his spirit. All topics, which were in conflict with the official state views, were simply rejected whether they were true or not.

The fact that we are all sons and daughters of the Holy Spirit and that we can all achieve Christ Consciousness as Jesus had done, did not fit the state controlled belief system even though this was the real message of Jesus. From that time on the teachings changed from people teaching themselves to worshipping the man Jesus who would forgive them their sins. Whereas the original Christians were told that they were responsible for everything that they did, suddenly they were told that Jesus came to die for their sins. [...]

Some of our religious institutions are literally holding their followers in a time warp that is several thousand years old. They not only ignore modern science and medicine but also new spiritual understanding and revelations. When did our church last teach us anything new about the magnificence of our multi-dimensional soul or spirit?

Have they ever explained during their service what a soul really is and how to communicate with our soul? Christ Consciousness is something that every individual can achieve and not only Jesus. One does not need a middleman to communicate with ones own God presence within, our Soul. This was Jesus' real message. Churches can help but ultimately we need to find this Spirit within ourselves.

Some Bible critics claim that biblical story of Jesus is a collection of old myths which were resurrected around the story of Jesus during the Roman Empire to help stop the various religious wars in the various parts of the their empire.

These critics point to many similar myths associated with Horus of Egypt, Mithra of Persia, Krishna of India, Promethus of Greece and many others. Many of today's sacred holidays were already pagan days of worship before the time of Jesus. Perhaps all great past teachers struggled under similar circumstances in order to get their message across.

Others have difficulty in accepting some sections of the bible that:

1] Teach its believers to fear God rather than love god
2] Teach that God requires animal and blood sacrifice
3] Tell that God waged ethnic cleansing by supporting a certain race only which was the so called "chosen people '
4] Tell that God openly waged and supported war and killing
5] Portrayed God as angry, jealous, emotional and revengeful
6] Placed women lower than men

Some critics feel that these sections were the actual teachings of that time but the God referred to in these sections were gods spelled with a small 'g' or other powerful entities who pretended to be God.

The people of that time did not know any different and referred to all these as God. Perhaps various cosmic races interacted with man during those times. Perhaps parts of the real story of Christ's life on earth are somewhat different from the story told in the Bible.

Perhaps the complete and true story is yet to be revealed. Perhaps Christianity is not yet ready for the truth. Sometime the myth becomes stronger than the truth and the people refuse to accept the truth even when they are shown it. [...]

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