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Posted: Apr 10 2005, 10:39 AM
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Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.
April 5, 2005

Time runs out for every one and every thing. The sand in the hourglass is draining particularly quickly, though, for America's present monetary and banking systems. One need not be a bloodhound to sniff the scent of crisis in the air.

Inasmuch as the monetary and banking systems are the creatures of politicians in Washington, D.C., and as a matter of law are totally subject to their control, the natural inclination of all too many Americans is to presume that the Wise Men on the Potomac will take timely and thorough action either to prevent a crisis from breaking out at all, or (if a crisis proves to be unavoidable) to protect common Americans from financial ruin and to preserve this country's national independence and free institutions. Such thinking, however, is dangerously naive--and may possibly prove fatal.

Under present conditions, the General Government will not provide a proper solution to a monetary and banking crisis, because the denizens of the Capitol, the White House, and the Treasury are the primary perpetrators of the problem. True, as a matter of law the Constitution delegates to the General Government plenary power to reform the monetary and banking systems--to reintroduce silver and gold as the government's exclusive media of exchange, to separate bank and state, to prohibit or strictly regulate the inherently fraudulent practices of fractional-reserve banking, to withdraw the United States from all international and supra-national monetary and banking schemes, and so on. But law and fact are two different matters.

All the legalities of We the People's Constitution are beside the point because, as a matter of fact, the General Government is no longer We the People's obedient agent. Rather, it is the tool of America's Establishment. Of course, this conglomerate of high finance, big business, officials of organized labor (especially among public-sector employees and public-school teachers), the neo-Marxist intelligentsiia in academia and the media, and a myriad of special-interest pressure-groups (the so-called "nongovernmental organizations" that propose to solve every problem with more governmental intervention) can claim no legal authority to control the General Government. That authority remains--at least on paper--in We the People's hands. Nonetheless, the Establishment enjoys the ability in fact, time and again, to place its minions in the most important positions of political power. That being so, it is as sure as death and taxes that, absent a political renversement in this country, the General Government will continue to do the Establishment's bidding.

Nowhere will the Establishment demand the General Government's lap-dog subservience more than with respect to money and banking. For the Establishment's power in every domain largely depends upon its control over--and ability to draw unearned profits from--the coffers of money and banking. (Always remember that the two greatest powers of government are "the power of the purse" and "the power of the sword". Control over one very often results in control over both.)

The Establishment did not originally gain power in this country, and certainly has not maintained its dominant position through thick and thin, by blinding itself to salient facts. Doubtlessly, therefore, the Establishment understands full well that America's present monetary and banking systems are inherently and fundamentally flawed, and becoming increasingly unstable--and that some sort of crisis is inevitable, unavoidable, and probably impending. Doubtlessly, too, the Establishment realizes that no amount of competence in the supposedly "expert" officials in the Federal Reserve can for much longer "manage" the Ponzi scheme they administer. (Actually, any reliance on supposed "competence" in such people would be misplaced in any event. No amount of competence in central planners can solve the problem of the absence of rational economic calculation inherent in socialism. Therefore, simply by being fractional-reserve central bankers, and to that extent central planners, these people demonstrate their incompetence.) The Titanic was designed to be unsinkable, but nevertheless sank. In the long run, no scheme of fiat currency ever launched has failed to sink, no matter how it was designed, or on what course it sailed. So why should anyone--especially the Establishment, which selects the ship's captain, officers, and crew--believe that the Federal Reserve System is not bound for the bottom, too?

That being the case, what is the Establishment--and, at its behest and for its benefit, the General Government--likely to do? The Establishment will do whatever is necessary and sufficient to maintain its iron-fisted control over money and banking, whether that entails attempting to preserve the regime that now exists, or bringing some entirely new scheme into existence, and no matter how much in treasure--and lives--such maneuvers may cost everyone else.

The Establishment recognizes that one increasingly serious pathological symptom of Ponzified political currency and fractional-reserve banking requires timely treatment: the burden of supposedly unpayable debt the General Government has assumed, and far too many Americans are carrying in their personal lives. "Supposedly" is the key adjective here, because all debts are always paid--if not by the debtors, then by the creditors or by some third parties. And a clever device for paying debts that are unpayable in real terms is to pay them in the false values of depreciated currency. (For example, a debt of $100 contracted when $100 of Federal Reserve Notes bought X units of commodities in the free market, but paid off when $100 of Federal Reserve Notes buy only X/2 units of commodities, effectively shifts 50% of the real value of the debt to the creditor through his loss of purchasing power.) Thus, the Establishment might initiate several rounds of Latin-American style inflationary destruction of Federal Reserve Notes. In each of these it would generate a new fiat currency in the guise of "stabilization": say, a red Federal Reserve Note introduced at an exchange rate of 1 red for 10 green, then a blue Federal Reserve Note introduced at an exchange rate of 1 blue for 100 red, and so on, through various orders of magnitude of depreciation of one currency and substitution of another. (Inasmuch as currency shell-games of this kind have worked repeatedly in such sophisticated countries as Argentina and Brazil, nothing precludes their being utilized here, where ignorance about money, banking, and the Constitution is widespread.) The Establishment could also employ such serial destruction of a rainbow of Federal Reserve Notes to compel Americans, driven to desperation by monetary depreciation, to accept a new world reserve fiat currency as their medium of exchange. This would strip Americans of the last vestige of sovereignty over the currency they use, reducing them to financial vassals of some foreign or supra-national central bank.

Also not beyond the realm of possibility would be for the Establishment to trigger (or simply do nothing to prevent) the collapse of the monetary and banking systems in a full-blown depression, coupled with acts of aggression (so-called "preemptive strikes") by the General Government's armed forces overseas that ignite a world war. Properly managed, a depression and world war would result in massive redistribution of real wealth from common Americans to the Establishment and its clients, while the victims found themselves so severely regimented by the General Government's exercise of wartime "emergency" powers that they could not effectively complain. One need not be overly suspicious to suggest a sequence that history already partly bears out: World War I, the League of Nations, and the undermining of the international gold standard--followed by World War II, the United Nations, the adoption of Federal Reserve Notes as the world's reserve currency, and the "demonetization" of gold and silver as currencies--followed by World War III, a New World Order based on the tripartite division of the globe into European, American, and Asian blocs, and a supra-national world central bank emitting a world fiat currency.

A strategy based upon intentionally bringing about a depression is perhaps unlikely, however, because a depression is extraordinarily destabilizing, economically, socially, and politically. Once the bottom falls out of the economy, no one can be sure that desperate people with nothing to lose will not follow radical leaders whom the Establishment cannot co-opt, control, or center in the cross-hairs of some "lone gunman" who amazingly wields an inaccurate Mannlicher-Carcano rifle with Olympic precision. Yet such a strategy is not impossible (and may be necessary if the Establishment foresees a depression as unavoidable)--which perhaps explains why the General Government is so assiduously militarizing State and local police forces throughout the country, under the guise of integrating them into a national program of "homeland security".

In any event, two things the Establishment--and the General Government, while it remains under the Establishment's thumb--will never do of their own free will: (i) return the United States to constitutional money of silver and gold, and (ii) eliminate or severely regulate the inherently fraudulent practices of fractional-reserve banking. But one thing the Establishment will always do: deploy the General Government to stab in the back any attempts at true monetary and banking reform--thus prolonging the present mess beyond any hope of rectification along the lines of sound money, honest banking, individual freedom, and national independence. Such, after all, is the pellucid lesson American history teaches: At every crucial point since the outbreak of the Civil War--1862-1864 and 1871 (emission of the first United States fiat currency and creation of the National Banks), 1913 (creation of the Federal Reserve System), 1933-1935 (destruction of the domestic "gold standard", and repudiation and prohibition of obligations payable in gold), 1964 and 1967-1968 (debasement of silver coinage and repudiation of paper currency redeemable in silver), and 1971 (destruction of the international "gold standard")--Congress, the President, and the Judiciary have wrapped this country more securely than before in the coils of unsound money and dishonest banking, both domestically and internationally--while at the same time enabling the Establishment to exert an ever greater, ever more pernicious influence over every American's economic and political life.

Have the American people no recourse, then? Is this country not a "democracy"? Cannot political action at the "grassroots" level force politicians to reform the monetary and banking systems before it is too late? Unfortunately, the answer is "probably not", for several reasons.

First, America is no "democracy". The Constitution--which is the definitive authority on the nature of government in this country--provides that "[t]he United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government". Article IV, Section 4. A "Republican Form of Government", not a "democracy". And the complex structure of the General Government plainly reveals that it is no simple "democracy", either. The Establishment's mouthpieces constantly harp on supposed "democracy" in this country in order to confuse Americans into believing that they have somehow agreed to whatever elected officials choose to do. In a constitutional republic, though, even if an individual votes for a particular politician, he does not thereby agree with, and is not bound by, that politician's later unconstitutional acts in office, because such illegal acts are beyond any officeholder's authority. Moreover, no citizen in a constitutional republic has any right to vote for any politician knowing and intending that he will misuse public office to violate the Constitution. Such a vote constitutes participation, not in "democracy", but in a criminal conspiracy. Thus, if true reform is possible at all, it must come through Americans' intentional enforcement of the Constitution, which will require even more thinking than voting.

Second, when electoral push comes to shove, all too many Americans will vote against the Constitution from crass self-interest. Aside from members of the Establishment themselves (a small number), and individuals who directly profit from (or at least believe that they profit from) fiat currency and fractional-reserve banking (a larger number), a great many people vote for the Establishment's Bolshevik and Menshevik candidates because of the governmental benefits these politicians promise them. Such people may know nothing about the Federal Reserve System; but the candidates they elect understand perfectly well that they cannot deliver ever-increasing benefits unless the central bank can open the spigots of fiat currency on demand (primarily, through monetization of public debt) whenever necessary.

Third, many other Americans will never even consider a constitutional solution to this country's monetary and banking problems, because they are totally unaware that any such problems exist, or that the Constitution provides the necessary solutions. The Establishment has been remarkably successful in banishing the fundamental economic and legal issues of money and banking from political debate, and in defaming and demonizing advocates of strict constitutionalism in general, and of sound money and honest banking in particular.

Fourth, even if patriotic Americans can overcome these obstacles before a crisis breaks out, they must still work out the difficult arithmetic of electoral success. To reform the monetary and banking systems along constitutional lines will require that Congress enact new legislation. So, patriots must elect a veto-proof Congress (two-thirds of each House), or a majority in both Houses plus a free-market, constitutionalist President, or (better yet) both. See Article I, Section 7, Clause 2.

A mere majority in both Houses of Congress, even along with a sympathetic President, though, may not be enough. True, in Section 30 of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, Congress reserved the right "to amend, alter, or repeal" the Federal Reserve System at any time. Statutes at Large, Volume 38, page 275. But the bankers will fight with ferocity and fanaticism any attempt to strip them of their special privileges. And the Establishment's kangaroo judges will bend their every dishonest effort to throw up legalistic roadblocks. Therefore, reform will require Congressional majorities sufficient to impeach, convict, and remove the black-robed miscreants--which means a majority in the House of Representatives and two thirds of the Senate. See Article I, Section 2, Clause 5, and Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7.

What is the likelihood of achieving any of these necessary goals in the near future? Perhaps not so vanishingly small as to condemn the attempt as impossible. DVM SPIRO SPERO. Yet small enough to question its plausibility or practicality, and to compel a search for viable alternatives that can be put into operation now.

Americans must face the hard fact that, as far as money and banking are concerned, this country and the political class that misrules it have come to a final parting of the ways. A basic principle of American political jurisprudence is that

[a]ll [citizens] alike owe allegiance to the government, and the government owes to them a duty of protection. These are reciprocal obligations, and each is a consideration for the other.
United States v. Schwimmer, 279 U.S. 644, 649 (1929). The reality of Americans' political existence, however, is that the politicians who run the General Government demand "allegiance" (or at least obedience) in everything, but provide no "protection" from their own unconstitutional acts. Rather than fulfilling their "duty of protection", they daily search out new opportunities for predation and oppression. The present relationship between citizens and the General Government, then, is one, not of "reciprocal obligations", but of imposed superordination and subordination--not only a failure of political "consideration", but also what the Declaration of Independence denounced as "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object [that] evinces a design to reduce the[ American people] under absolute Despotism".

A basic principle of American constitutionalism is that "[a]n unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties * * * ; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed". Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 442 (1886). See to like effect Huntington v. Worthen, 120 U.S. 97, 101-02 (1887); Ex parte Siebold, 100 U.S. 371, 376 (1880); Fay v. Noia, 372 U.S. 391, 408 (1963). Americans owe no allegiance, let alone obedience, to unconstitutional acts or to the criminals who perpetrate them. See Title 18, United States Code, Sections 241 and 242.

Therefore, if before a monetary and banking crisis breaks out Americans cannot remove the individuals who befoul the offices of the General Government, they must find other ways--always, of course, within the Constitution--to protect themselves and their country while there still may be time.

© 2005 Edwin Vieira, Jr. - All Rights Reserved

Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School).

For more than thirty years he has practiced law, with emphasis on constitutional issues. In the Supreme Court of the United States he successfully argued or briefed the cases leading to the landmark decisions Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, Chicago Teachers Union v. Hudson, and Communications Workers of America v. Beck, which established constitutional and statutory limitations on the uses to which labor unions, in both the private and the public sectors, may apply fees extracted from nonunion workers as a condition of their employment.

He has written numerous monographs and articles in scholarly journals, and lectured throughout the county. His most recent work on money and banking is the two-volume Pieces of Eight: The Monetary Powers and Disabilities of the United States Constitution (2002), the most comprehensive study in existence of American monetary law and history viewed from a constitutional perspective.

He is also the co-author (under a nom de plume) of the political novel CRA$HMAKER: A Federal Affaire (2000), a not-so-fictional story of an engineered crash of the Federal Reserve System, and the political upheaval it causes.

His latest book is: "How To Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary"

He can be reached at:
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Americans must face the hard fact that, as far as money and banking are concerned, this country and the political class that misrules it have come to a final parting of the ways.

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Posted: Apr 10 2005, 10:41 AM
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This is of course IMHO....
Yours in respect,

The United States constitution was based primarily on the Models of the 6 nations and the French republic.

The Six Nations model ws designed to RESIST tyranny - there was no position a tyrant could occupy - ultinate power corrupts ultimatly. Human nature has stayed constant since the dawn of man, and isn't foreseen to change.

One Bad apple spoils the bunch...there will always be those who feel a tyrantship is their right, and they will always be dangerous because good people will not stoop as low as they will, and will give the benefit of the doubt till it is too late.

Here is how the 6 nations which still exists was founded.
The screw up in the US...?

There once came from the North Country, to what is now the upper western portion of New York State, a young man of Huron birth. He was called Deganaweda. Even as a child he talked of a peaceful way of existence and of harmony among the tribes. He spoke of the importance of the heart and called for an end to war- like ways and sacrifices of blood. But he found only deaf ears amongst his own Huron people, for they were war-like and not given to the ways of peace.

Our story begins when Deganaweda began a pilgrimage that would eventually bring his teachings to the five tribes of the Haudenosaunee and later, six when they were joined by the Seneca peoples. He helped them create a confederation of tribes, under a form of self-ruling government, in which there would be no royalty, no tyranny, no need for war. This unification of the tribes would later be referred to as the Great Iroquois Confederacy. Which would include the Mohawk, Onandaga, Tuscarora, Cayuga and Oneida people, who would later be joined by the Seneca and the Mohican. The Mohicans would later be all but wiped out by the Huron’s, leaving the Confederacy composed of six nations as it is described in our history books. In the confederacy Daganaweda's words were welcomed with enthusiasm and discussed around the council fires of the elders. During his pilgrimage Deganaweda met Hiawatha. Hiawatha, it is said, lived as a hermit deep within the forest. He lived alone, holding a great bitterness in his heart. He grieved over the slaughter of his family by the bloodthirsty Onadaga chief. It is said that Hiawatha had even taken to cannibalism. Deganaweda was challenged by a Grandmother to share his teachings with Hiawatha. She told him that if he could convince the angry Hiawatha, the beast of the woods, to walk in peace and harmony, then perhaps there was something to this wisdom. If he succeeded in changing the heart of this beast, then all the tribes would surely listen to him.

Deganaweda met with Hiawatha and spoke with him from his heart, for he was filled with the Great Spirit and had no fear. This meeting with Deganaweda caused a transition within Hiawatha’s being. They became inseparable, and from the wisdom taught to him by Deganaweda, Hiawatha became a renewed human being. A great friendship grew between the two, and Hiawatha became Daganaweda’s chief disciple. It is said that Deganaweda suffered from a speech impediment; he had stuttered since childhood. For this reason, Hiawatha became known as the chief spokesperson for Daganaweda’s Great Peace-- the Kia ëneri Kowa.

Both Deganaweda and Hiawatha taught that the human race was one great family. They taught of love and unity, with reverence for the Creator of all mankind and the sacredness and honour of all life. The way of the Great Peace was established. It was a great plan for social order that cantered its strength around the family fire. They taught of the inner balance of male and female within the self and in all relationships, the importance of the Mother/Father Principle. This teaching was to spread through the many single-family firesides. In the Great Peace it was taught that from these single families would come the basis of authority, leadership and the strength of the people. A natural order of social living was encouraged that allowed for the spiritual expression of all individuals. This concept was intrinsic to the integrity of their society and the establishment of the Long Houses that exist to this day.

In the way of the Great Peace, women are the keepers of the family lineage and as the bearers of life, they teach the knowledge of harmony and balance within the family. The tribe is the extended family, and neighbouring tribes should be considered relatives who are necessary for a healthy genetic evolution, an extended family, if you will. The balance within the whole of a society originates with the individual. The balance of male/female within the individual expands to the relationship between man and woman, and then into relationship with their offspring. This then expands into the extended family. All women are mothers to all the children, as are all men their fathers. The tribe was a living ecosystem for human consciousness, a living heart.

Women had equal status within the tribal council. They formed the Council of Grandmothers that looked out for the survival of the family structure above all things, for without the family structure, the people could not continue. No major decision that would affect the tribe as a whole was ever made by one individual of either gender, or any singular council; all councils were accountable to the Council of Grandmothers. Thus, they had devised a matriarchal system whereby no structure of dictatorship could arise and seize power from the people themselves. There simply was no position that allowed for the rise of a tyrant within their society.

The teachings of the Great Peace likened all war to quarrelling amongst children. Spiritual teachings were intermingled with the teaching of balance in the social order. In this culture there was no separation between living an abundant, full life and the expression of spiritual practice and beliefs because social laws were created out of an evolved spiritual understanding of human nature. In this manner, human beings learned to live in harmony with nature, thus they dwelt in a state of harmony within themselves. For nature was the kingdom with which humankind shared their dream. Mankind and Womankind were seen as spirit alive in the flesh. There was One Creator, One Father. There was one Mother. From this union came forth all their children--the human race.

So powerful were these teachings that the tribes of the Algonquin peoples formed the Iroquois Confederacy. It is from this Confederacy that much of the Constitution of the United States and the Declaration of Independence came. It is from the doctrine of life expressed by the Iroquois Confederacy by which the invading white Europeans forged the foundations of the American constitution, the basis of all Western Democracy

The Great Prophet, the Peacemaker would spend many seasons with the Haudenosaunee people they who would later be known as the Iroquois Confederacy establishing the ways of the Great Peace. All things must change and the Peacemaker would not be amongst the people forever. He heard the call to move on along his journey but before he would go he would deliver his final message to the people. It was time for him to fulfil his agreement here that he had long ago made with Creator. The people were very saddened by the announcement of his departure from them.

He met with the People one last time upon the shores of the Bay of Quinte, near what is now Lake Ontario. All the tribes were asked to send representatives to participate in a great ceremony to show their integrity and their commitment to the Great Peace. At this ceremony it is said that the people who represented each tribe of the confederacy buried their weapons of war into a huge pit over which they planted an evergreen tree.

. This tree represented the Tree of Life. Its branches reached to the heavens, to the Father. The tree and its roots represented the five tribes of the Iroquois Confederacy. The tree would grow, and send its roots deep into the earth to draw its nourishment and strength from the Mother, as did the people. The tree of life was planted upon an island in the lake, which was mostly white granite. The White granite represented, as did the white shells of the wampum belt a blanket of purity, the Mothers most pure mind. Some say that this tree is still alive today.

Wrapped within her robe of purity and wisdom, the Mother protects that original dream and wishes of those who participated in this great ceremony. Deganaweda spoke to them of Three Great Double Ideals, upon which they could build their foundation of self-government:

1. Ne Skin. Purity of the mind and of the body are tied together through the experience of the flesh. It is called the Human Drama, which is our dance through this life. Harmony between groups of people, for all of our human existence is realized through mastering the experience of relationships between each other. Inner harmony and peace, and the true union with creator, the source of all life is realized through maintaining of the balance of the spirit, while it is alive in the flesh.

Our purpose along our path is the expression of divine love of the Creator and the divine Mother through our actions, and emotions given and received through our expression of that divine love. For all has been given to us, without question, that we might reflect that which we receive from Creator and the divine Mother which is unconditional love.

2. Ne Gaiihwijo. Righteousness in deeds, action, as well as our thought should be the premise for all conduct. Our action is the expression of our true thought. Our actions often times speak louder than our words, for it is through action the inner self, the true state of being is expressed.

When we maintain a state of most pure mind, we deal with life’s events with open heart. Thus we are acting as the expression of the Creator. In this manner we maintain a justice and equality in dealing with human rights, in integrity of spirit. The superior quality within all beings is the expression of Creator who always speaks through the human heart.

Remember always it in the heart of a thing that its spirit can be found, and within its spirit is the very essence of the Creator. Creator’s deeds being from the heart are always righteous and Sacred. Our actions thus applied are filled with the power of that which is Sacred. The state of Sacred, by its own decree is the state of most pure mind. Although often silent, and sometimes soft in its action this path is for us never without power. Consider this truth, is not the Creator realized within all things? What thing exists that is not by the decree of the Creator?

3. Ne Gashedenza. It is good to maintain within your society a force that councils a skilled power for the self- defence of the people. This force must always be tempered by employing the guidance of your spiritual understandings of the higher reason of the mind. All actions taken must be of righteous intent. All things that can be called righteous are the results of the balance between the physical and the spiritual, there are no exceptions.

Therefore, when differences arise, as they will, the councils between your peoples must always be held with both the spiritual leaders and the military leaders present. The views of these councils should then be presented to the Sachems, who are your spiritual elders. They in turn must answer always to the Council of Grandmothers. The council of Grandmothers represents the social order of the people. In your societies all relationships are born from the foundation of the family fire--Mother, Father, and their children. Brother, sister, nephew, niece.

This structure is of the Mothers own design and purpose, and will reach out through your society like the roots of a great tree, seeking its strength and nourishment from the Divine Mother herself. Without the purposeful maintaining of the family fire your social order would quickly fall into disorder and decay. You are all extensions of this family fire, which is your strength when the times of change and calamity overcome you. Standing together you have the strength to withstand the storms that will come. Standing separately, without order you fall easy prey to the forces darkness, which are born of fear out of chaos, and as a people you would vanish like leaves before the wind.

We are all, in the end, brothers and sisters of one family, the children of one Mother and one Father. The balance of the male and female must be maintained within your relationships. It represents the balance of the Mother and the Father in the very process of creation, from which all of life is manifest.

In this way the Great Peace shall be established. In this way it shall be a living dream of the people that shall be handed down from Mother to Daughter, and as the bearers of life they shall pass it from Father to Son. And this peace which is born of the heart, and the people who live through this heart shall be forever. For they shall be in rhythm with the heart beat of the Divine Mother, which never ceases.

He told them that they had done well living in accordance with the Great Peace. He told them they would know much abundance, and they would be happy for a while. However, he also told them they would have great trials in the days ahead of them. He told them that a time was coming in which many of them could start to forget the principles of the Great Peace. A time was coming when the way of the serpent would rise from seeming sleep upon the land.

If the ways of the heart were forgotten and the people took to their old ways of warring amongst each other dark days would come as a result. He foretold that if the Serpents were awakened there would be a time of great trials and much suffering. In the darkness of this time they would come to mistrust themselves as well as their leaders and they would doubt even the very principles of the Great Peace.

Daganaweda told the people that he saw that during this time of the return of the serpent energy, that a White Serpent would come into their land. For a time, it would intermingle with the people. It would be accepted by the Indian people, and they would come to regard the Serpent as a friend and a brother. This Serpent would grow and be nurtured by the people and over time the Serpent would become powerful. As it grew although outwardly friendly towards the people the ultimately become obsessed with having more and more power.

This Serpent would have an insatiable appetite for power. It would seem that there would never be enough to satisfy this Serpent. It would reach out a giant claw and attempt to choke the life force from the People. If they did not succumb to the twisted will of the Serpent, which would grow more and more delirious with its quest for knowledge and power. The Serpent would grow mad and think that it could own the very Earth itself.

In its desire for more and more power, it would eventually attempt to drive off and even kill the very people who had befriended it. It would threaten to completely destroy them, and any other People that dared defy its will. Many would become addicted to the seemingly easy way of life that the Serpent would offer them, and through gradual corruption of the spirit they would fall under the power of this Serpent. The Serpents power lay in its ability manipulate the people by creating fear, and self doubt in the true spiritual path.

The Serpent was a master of illusion, and could even fool itself for a time into believing that it was liken the people itself. That it was no longer a Serpent. But while it talked of love, and a new way of life for the people it would be devouring the Earth itself. Even the beast of the forest and the great seas would flee in terror when it showed it face amongst them.

However, there would be People who would who would continues to live in the way of the Great Peace. They would see the Serpent for what it was. They would not give into fear and illusion. Although small in number they would somehow survive, the times that were coming. Many however would choose to leave rather then endure the years of struggle and hardship that would come to this land. It would be very strange times. A great struggle would develop between these few people who still held to the ways of the Great Peace and the Serpent.

There would be much contest and long suffering by the People, as the ways of the Serpent would have slowly corrupted many of them from the inside, separating them from the power of the great spirit that moved within them. The ways of the Serpent would separate them from each other, mother from child, child from grandparent. The family fire would be almost non-existent in times that were coming. If the family fire was ever allowed to be broken, if brother took to warfare against his brother it would it would only be a matter of time before all was lost. A great despair would fall upon the People and the land. Since the People were the land it would be that in time event the land would start to die.

With the Great Peace broken the once proud People of the Long House would become weary from the endless torment of the soul that would never seem to end. Daganaweda told them if the peace was broken they would become as few in number as leaves on the trees in winter, that some tribes would have vanished from the face of the Earth entirely they would be as dust in the wind. As the seasons continued, many would forget their ways entirely, and the Great Peace would appear as a myth of a distant long ago past. He told them as a result they would endure spiritual pain that would seem to be endless. He saw the people falling upon the ground like turtles on their backs. They would be as helpless as children fighting this Serpent. Then one day a Great Red Serpent would appear there would develop a great battle between the two. So great that the whole Earth would appear to shake. This shaking would occur three times.

The battle between the Serpents would be unending, and after awhile the White Serpent would appear at one point to accept defeat by the Red Serpent, but only momentarily. This was only because the White Serpent was stunned by the sudden blow of the Red Serpent's strange power and rage. For the Red Serpent would have grown quickly and mysteriously to great size. And this Serpent would have strange powers that would be unfamiliar to the White Serpent as if they came from another world.

With the coming of this Red Serpent even greater confusion, would befall the land. The White Serpent would let loose of its hold on the People in an attempt to fight off the assaults of the intruder. All of its attention would go to battling the Red Serpent. Some of the people would manage to run away to the hilly country towards the West, which would be away from the Serpent's grasp. Hidden in the hilly country their wounds would begin to slowly heal and they would seek once more a peaceful way of life and begin to return to divine order seeking harmony with the ways of the Mother Earth.

Some would begin to remember once again the old ways. They would begin to re-establish the principles of the Great Peace among themselves. People would come to them from all over, not just the Haudensaunee, but people from all nations from the four directions, from the beginning times. They would be called to gather together in the hilly country to heal from the war and terror. Here they would renew their original bonds of friendship and brotherhood, as it was during the Great Peace.

They would, at first be, small in numbers and would choose to remain neutral in the fighting that would ensue between the Great Serpents. They would slowly begin to awaken, as if from a bad dream or sickness. They would come to own themselves once again and through their renewed connection to the spiritual powers of the Earth they would grow stronger in their understanding of their dormant wisdom.

The People living close to the Earth would learn to become strong in their hearts. In this way they would become free from the fear that would be like a great plague upon the land. From this place in the hilly country their lookouts would be watching the Serpent's battle in the distance. The Serpents warring would never seem to end, for the way of Serpent energy to renew itself is through killing and war. The Serpent would create fear in the hearts of the People who would become lost and be unable to connect to the source of their creation. From their fear these Serpents would draw their energy. For the Serpent would have no energy of its own. From their place in the hilly country, the People would hear and see the battle raging between the Serpents which would become so violent at times that the mountains would begin to crack open, Fire would spew from their mouths, for the Serpents would learn to use the lightning energy and they would even grow wings as they carried their wars even unto the heavens. It is then that the rivers would begin to boil, and the fishes would turn up on their bellies. There would be great flooding and great drought. Some of the great rivers would flow upstream in an unnatural manner. The weather would become erratic and nothing would grow as it once did. It would seem as if the Earth itself was lost in confusion and sickness. In those areas where the greatest of fighting took place there would be no leaves left upon the trees, and the grasses would burn up as great fires fell from the sky. Strange bugs would appear in the sky and coming from the ground. They would be like beetles, and they would crawl along the ground and attack both the Serpents and the people. Everywhere there would be death. The land would appear as if the whole of the Earth was dying. Everywhere the Earth and all her life forms would become sickened from the stench of death and destruction.

Then there would come across the land a great heat. It would swell from the Mothers belly and move across the land in great clouds of fire. It would appear as if the bowels of the Earth were opening and spilling forth this great fire everywhere. This heat would last a long time, so long that it would cause the stench from all the death to become intolerable. Even the Serpents who would continue to battle for they loved war would themselves begin to sicken from the stench of death. Then one day a warrior who was standing lookout from the hilly country watching the Serpents battle, would see from his lookout post the Red Serpent reach around the neck of the White Serpent and pull from him a feather as he tore open his throat. This feather would be carried by the wind to the South. Here it would find its way to a Great Black Serpent that would have appeared from some mysterious place where it had been hiding in the darkness. It would have been awakened from all the commotion and warring in the North. The Black Serpent, upon studying the white feather, would be astounded, as the hair would begin to dance upon the currents of the wind as it turned itself into a white bird and then into a white-skinned woman.

This white-skinned woman would have power and wisdom. She would be skilled in the ancient arts of the People, and she would speak to him in their ancient language, which he understood. She would tell him stories as she danced upon the wind shape shift before his eyes. She would tell the Black Serpent stories of great sickness that was upon the land and in the hearts of the People. Stories of death and horror going on in the North. These things he would know somehow to be true, but again he would have been asleep deep within the belly of the Earth for a long time.

He would ask her to tell him the stories once again, for it would be unbelievable to him that such things could be occurring upon this Earth. Then, when the woman was through with her tales, he would ever so gently place her down upon a rock, with great love and respect for her purity of spirit and her personal powers.

He would then turn to the North and let loose a great roar, filling the winds with his furry over the horrors he had heard. The winds and the sound of the great roar they carried would be felt over the whole of the Earth. It would rise up from the belly of the Earth, and even be heard in the heavens. With great speed the Black Serpent would then head towards the North to find the other two.

The two Serpents would already be weary from the firestorms, and the stench of death. They would be sickened to the point that they would weak and exhausted. They would rise in horror and shock at the sudden appearance of the Black Serpent, which would seem to come from nowhere. They would recognize him but not believe his appearance possible.

The Black Serpent would attack the Red and White Serpents with a great vengeance, and he would defeat the Red Serpent entirely. Then he would stand upon the chest of the White Serpent, letting out a horrible and boastful roar as he tore him into two pieces. The battle would be short; it would not be too long before the Black Serpent would begin to look for yet another Serpent to conquer, filled with the energy of war and killing. He would have taken on the evil of both serpents and become a power of darkness that defies description. It would appear that he intended to devour the whole of the Earth, even the heavens in his furry.

The Great Black Serpent would look in all the directions for a formidable foe. When he turned towards the direction of the hilly country, he would see the People standing noble and erect, with their arms open, having fearless hearts, facing the winds of change. He would know that this was not where his fight was to be found; he would turn and look elsewhere. For a time the whole of the world would be in darkness. Great clouds will have formed from the battle and the spewing of smoke from the Mother belly. It would be as if time itself had stopped.

The Black Serpent would then turn towards a sound coming from the heavens and, for a moment become blinded by a great and mysterious light that would appear from the heavens. This light would be many, many times brighter than the Sun. This Great Light would be travelling east, coming from the West, over the great waters. It would appear in the skies for the passing of twelve of our days. When it arrives there will be no night and day. This would terrify the Black Serpent to such a degree that he would slither into the ocean, trying to hide himself from the great light. He would sink beneath the Great Waters and never be seen by the People again.

A part of the White Serpent would have survived. Although weak, he too, would see this light and make a feeble attempt to gather himself up and go towards that light. Suffering greatly from the wound received in battle with the Black Serpent, this portion of the White Serpent would find its way to the hilly country. Here it would be taken in and helped by the People, as it is their way to nurture the weak. This portion of the White Serpent would take on the ways of the People, but for a long time after, he would shake with fear whenever he again witnessed a great light.

Then, as if rising from the ground itself, the form of the Red Serpent would appear. He would also witness the strange Light shining like a great star, and he would tremble with fear. He would also try to crawl towards the North Country, but would die along the journey from his wounds. Leaving behind him a bloody trail that would split the Earth into a shaky canyon. This trail would split this land of the Turtle in two, and then into four pieces.

To the south where the Black serpent had vanished the Ice would begin melt, great pieces of ice would begin to fall from the sky, putting much of the land to the East into the deep sleep of winter. There it would be purified from the death that it had known. In these times we will witness other strange occurrences with the weather. The seas would become violent and rise covering much of the old shoreline. New cliffs would rise from the sea, as well as new lands.

The trail left behind by the Red Serpent would be washed clean as it filled with the waters from the North. New mountains would form along where the body of the Red Serpent lay still and cold in its death. This would form a new sea in the North Country, which would forever remind the people of the dark times through which they had passed.

The mysterious light would be as a mist and would engulf the entire Earth much like a giant cloud. We will be lifted from the wheel of time, and we will be unable to determine its passing. Death will cease to be. Our dream will blend and become many realities, all different yet all truth. As we experience the unravelling of the dream. We will witness the force that which allows our perceptions to manifest and express as our reality. For within this great light the nature of all things is dreamlike

From the centre of the mysterious light the Great Star would begin to emerge. The light from this star would swell and eventually become brighter even than our Sun. It would appear to take form an eight pointed star as it came closer and closer to the Earth. It would become so large that it would block out much of the heavens from our view. Its presence would cause many things to be effected and we will witness much phenomena as the new world is born before our eyes

There will appear in the heavens a great bow having the twelve colours of creation. From this bow would be heard the sound of all people, all who ever were and all that would be. Then there would be a shifting of the sound like a great harmonic. It would then appear as if they were all one voice, singing the sound of the new Creation. The sound of what had been heard so long ago when this world was itself created. When we first walked upon the Earth and wondered at the newness of her.

When the Star emerges from within the light many of the People who will have been hiding will come forth from their seclusion. Many will come from their refuge in the hills and mountains. They will be strange as if they were walking for the first time. There will be many new colours and species of life that will come forth from the great void. For they will have lifted their voices to join with the voices of the heavens.

Man and beast all manner of life form upon this plane will recognize and acknowledge their part in the spider web of life. They shall know their part in the dream for life will have become in a moment the expression of each of their visions of how things would be. There shall come a day like no other for all the creatures of the Earth in that moment of forever shall be as one, and man and beast shall communicate as it was long ago, for fear shall be a no thing. A sound shall come forth from the great star.

The people who will be coming forth in little bands from all throughout the hilly country will witness the appearance of Daganaweda, as if walking right out of this Great Star, returning to the People. The Peacemaker would be joined by many others as the dream of horror would come to a close. With his return there would be much rejoicing, and the people would feel like they had awakened from a dream. They would once again walk the way of the Great Peace, Kia ëneri Kowa, and form a new and great civilization that will continue into forever, creating a new world from the essence of the old. In this world even the eldest of us would be as children, yet possess the wisdom of experience of the ages that had come before.

We will join once again with our brothers from the stars. No one shall be denied, and no one shall be untouched in this time. No dream shall not come to pass, and no thought shall go unrealised. To speak more of it would serve no purpose for it will be beyond our comprehension what will occur. The way of the Kia neri Kowa shall help create the new world you seek. That which is created shall be born of the heart.

The time for the need for darkness will have passed. You will once again be as you were in the beginning children of the Sun and you will feel as if you have awakened from a dream. Your need for death and dying shall no longer serve the purpose it did before, for you will be walking upon the pathway of your foreverness. Man and spirit shall be as one in the Great Peace.

It is told.

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Grandfathers Messages of the Possible Futures

Tom Brown, Jr learned extensively from Grandfather for twenty years, from their first meeting when Tom was seven years old. Stalking Wolf was the real-life grandfather of Tom's best friend at the time. The following excerpt from Tom's book, The Quest, tells of Grandfather's predictions for all of mankind.

A number of people can predict the future, but few get the timing correct. "Grandfather" was an Apache wise man and scout, named Stalking Wolf, who grew up outside white man's influence. His many predictions not only came true in the manner he predicted, but also when he predicted.

Looking back, I can clearly see that Grandfather's prophecies, unlike anything else, had the greatest influence on my life. At the time they had little more effect than to frighten me and cause me to sit up and take notice. It wasn't until after his prophecies began to come true that their haunting impact began to affect me in a very profound way.

More than any other person-prophet, religious leader or psychic-I have ever met, Grandfather's prophecies, on both a major and a minor scale, came true exactly at the time he prophesied and exactly as he prophesied. With that record, I could not help but feel the impact of these prophecies on my life.

Grandfather could foretell the future with tremendous accuracy. Not only could he precisely tell us what would happen in the next moment, day, week or year, but with the same accuracy he could predict the possible futures for ten years and more away. It was not long before I began to keep detailed records of his predictions, along with other notes I kept on survival skills, tracking, awareness and things of the Spirit. I received from Grandfather hundreds of personal, minor predictions, and well over half have since come true. Along with the minor personal prophecies was a list of 103 major predictions, of which, to date, over 65 have become absolutely true, not only in time and place but also in the exact order in which they were predicted to happen.

Grandfather said that there was not future, only possible futures. The 'now' was like the palm of a hand, with each finger being the possible future, and, as always, one of the futures was always the most powerful, the way that the main course of events would surely take us. Thus his predictions were of the possible future, which meant that he always left a choice.

"If a man could make the right choices," he said, "then he could significantly alter the course of the possible future. No man, then, should feel insignificant, for it only takes one man to alter the consciousness of mankind through the Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things. In essence, one thought influences another, then another, until the thought is made manifest throughout all of Creation. It is the same thought, the same force, that causes an entire flock of birds to change course, as the flock then has one mind."

Out of all the personal and major prophecies that Grandfather foretold, there are four that stand out above all the rest. It is these four that mark the destruction of man and life on Earth, as we know it to exist now. Yet Grandfather said that we could still change things, even after the first two prophecies came true, but that there could be no turning back after the third.

Now that we have gone well past the second prophecy, danger and destruction are very apparent, and our only recourse is to work harder to change what has possibly become the inevitable. The urgency that I feel-now, more than ever-is a direct result of the second, impossible prophecy coming true. It is the reason that I teach, sometimes with a certain desperation, and constantly with the sense that we are quickly running out of time.

I should have worked harder and with that same desperation at a much earlier date, but, like the rest of mankind, it took a strong message to get me motivated. I should have known that these things he prophesied would some day come true, because his personal, minor predictions were coming true daily.

He so accurately foretold of Rick's death on a white horse, that I would some day teach, that I would have a son-and that taking him into the Pine Barrens for the first time would forever change my life. He predicted the formation of my school, my books, my family, and even the horrible mistakes I would make as I tried to live within society.

Yet with all of this coming true on a daily basis, I simply would not believe or accept that the major prophecy of man's destruction would come true, and its reality hit me hard. It was then that the urgency made itself known.

I remember so vividly the "night of the four prophecies"-as I have become accustomed to calling that night when Grandfather first made us aware of their possibility. We had been with Grandfather for five years at the time and were accustomed to his prophecies and their accuracy.

Our ability to understand the things of the Spirit world were as sure as our ability to survive and track. Very little of what society calls "the paranormal" shocked us any more, because miracles were part of our everyday existence. Grandfather was a living miracle, and so many of the things that he did on a daily basis, sometimes unconsciously, would be considered miraculous by most. Yet as savvy as we were spiritually, the night of the four prophecies shocked us like nothing we had ever experienced before.

We had been hiking all day without much of a break, making our way to a place where we were going to camp, atop a small hill that I now call Prophecy Hill. It was a typical midsummer hike: hot, humid and dusty, with no water available along our entire travel route. As usual, we still took time to stop frequently or take side trips to explore various areas along our route. The adventure and exploration kept us fresh and eager, making the fatigue, heat and thirst hardly factors.

Many times along the way, Grandfather would stop and teach us-not physical lessons of survival, tracking or awareness, but lessons dealing with the awareness of Spirit. Very often he would discuss the future and, almost as frequently, the past-the distant past.

At one point we stopped along the deer trail we were travelling and followed Grandfather through some heavy brush. The trees and shrubs were far different than those throughout the rest of the Pine Barrens, and I immediately knew this place as an old homestead or town of some sort. Even though the buildings had long since rotted away, the plants and trees still marked the spot where civilisation had once stood. Passing through several very thick areas, we finally entered a grove of very tall, old sycamore trees. From their branches and up their trunks ran huge vines, the kind one might imagine finding in a jungle. In fact, the whole place looked like a jungle-so out of place from the pine, oak and blueberry that is typical in the Pine Barrens. As we sat down, a deeper spiritual sense of awareness came over me, and it was then that I noticed the gravestones.

This was the place of a very old and probably long-forgotten cemetery, possibly belonging to the town that had once been here. The stones were old; some lay flat on the ground and others stood upright, though none was straight. Plants and bushes had overrun many of the stones, and I could barely make out the markings on the stones. The weathering process had worn away many of the names and dates, making them barely readable.

At once we were in awe, humbled and reverent in this place of death; at the same time, we were amazed that Grandfather had found it so easily. To my knowledge, none of us had been there before, nor had Grandfather ever spoken of this graveyard. Yet for some reason he seemed to be drawn to it, knowing that it was there on some unseen spiritual level, at least unseen to us. I suspect now, as I look back, that he knew that it would become a teaching lesson for us.

He walked over to a gravestone that was partially hidden by foxgrape vines and gently pulled them away. After a long moment, he motioned us to come over. We could barely make out the name on the grave or the dates, but at the bottom was carved clearly: "12 years old".

Grandfather then spoke. "Who are these people; who is this boy? What did they work for and what were their hopes, dreams and visions? Did they just work physically or did they work for the things beyond the flesh, for a grander purpose? Certainly they affected the Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things, but did they really work to the best of their ability to make things better for the future of their grandchildren, or did they do nothing other than to perpetuate the myth of society? Were they happy, joyous and filled with spiritual rapture, or did they just lead lives of labour and mediocrity? And did this boy live close to the Earth and the Creator, or did he just give up his youth, his sense of adventure, to toil, as did his parents and their parents before them? This boy was exactly your age, and I suspect he had hopes and dreams much like yours. But this is his legacy, lying in a forgotten grave."

"But, Grandfather," I said, "isn't it enough just to be happy and live your life fully?"

After a long moment of silence, Grandfather answered. "It is not enough that man be just happy in the flesh, but he must also be happy and joyous in spirit. For without spiritual happiness and rapture, life is shallow. Without seeking the things of the Spirit, life is half lived and empty. And by spiritual life I do not mean just setting aside one hour of one day of one week for worship, but to seek the things of the spirit every moment of every day. I ask you, then: What did these people do to seek spiritual enlightenment and rapture? Did they just give in to a life that was little more than work? They were given a choice every day of their lives-as you will be given a choice to seek the rapture of the Spirit or to resign yourselves to a life of meaningless work. The end result is always the same: forgotten graves and forgotten dreams of forgotten people. It is not important that anyone notice or remember, but that you work to touch God and affect in a positive way the consciousness of the Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things, thus bringing the consciousness of man closer to the Creator."

We left the graveyard without a word and headed up to the campsite on the hill. By the time we reached the camp, it had cooled off and the Sun had long since set. As we built shelters and a fire and gathered food, time seemed to fly by unnoticed, as my mind was thoroughly engrossed in thoughts of the lessons in the graveyard. I wondered how much I might be like that nameless dead boy in that forgotten grave. Was I just seeking the flesh and not working hard enough in the things of the Spirit?

It was then that I realised the deeper lessons of what Grandfather was trying to teach me. I realised then that I should live life as if I were to die tomorrow, for that is what happened to that young boy. No one can be assured of another day, but we must live each day fully, in flesh and most of all in Spirit. It isn't important that anyone remember who we were, but that we made a positive change in the consciousness of the Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things, the life force of the Earth, and, in doing so, find spiritual rapture and touch the Creator.

I sat by the fire after the work was done, relaxing, still deep in thought about the boy in the graveyard. Grandfather sat at the far end of the fire, his eyes closed, but I suspected that he was not sleeping. In the firelight, his features appeared more that of a spirit than of flesh. Quietly he leaned forward and answered the many questions I had on my mind. At times, his ability to know what was on my mind was unnerving, sometimes making me angry to think that he could know my thoughts.

"Did you ever watch a flock of sandpipers on the beach, how they ebb and flow with the tides, becoming at times not a gathering of individual animals but one organism, moving as a unit together along the surf? When they burst into flight, their cohesiveness is even more startling and wondrous. At once they all will be flying in a certain direction, and then in an instant the entire flock will turn simultaneously and take a new direction.

"Studied closely, there is no one bird that makes the decision to turn, but it seems to be a Spirit, a collective consciousness, that runs through the flock instantly. When viewed from afar, the flock appears to be one animal, one organism, one consciousness, governed by the collective force and spirit of all the individuals. It is this same consciousness that runs through man, Nature and the Earth-that which we call the 'Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things', or the 'life force'.

"I suspect," he continued, "that it is but one bird that creates the thought that turns the flock, and the one thought becomes immediately manifested in all the others. The individual then transcends self and becomes one with the whole. Thus, at once, the bird moves within the flock and the flock moves within the bird. So, then, do not ask what you can do to affect the life force in a positive way, for the same Spirit that moves within the birds also moves within you. One person, one idea, one thought can turn the flock of society away from the destructive path of modern times. It is not a question as to whether we make a difference, for we all make a difference, each of us in our own way. It is the difference we make that is important."

"So if we live a life that is close to the Spirit, seek the spiritual rapture of oneness, that will affect the outcome of life," I said. My statement was more a question than a declaration.

"It is not enough," Grandfather said, "just to seek the things of the Spirit on a personal level. To do so is selfish, and those who just seek the spiritual realms for themselves are not working to change the Spirit that moves through the consciousness of man. Instead they are running away, hiding from their responsibility and using their wisdom for their own glorification. Spiritual man must then work for a principle, a cause, a Quest far greater than the glorification of self, in order to affect the spirit that can change the course of man's destruction."

I sat for a long time in the quietude of the night, trying desperately to understand what Grandfather had told me. In essence, it was not enough to work for spiritual enlightenment for self, but to work for the spiritual enlightenment of all of mankind. To work only for self, to cloister oneself in the seeking of spiritual rapture, is to run from this responsibility. What Grandfather was saying is that a spiritual person must take the wisdom and philosophy of the Earth and bring it back into modern society.

Grandfather spoke again. "Trying to live a spiritual life in modern society is the most difficult path one can walk. It is a path of pain, of isolation and of shaken faith, but that is the only way that our Vision can become reality. Thus the true Quest in life is to live the philosophy of the Earth within the confines of man. There is no church or temple we need to seek peace, for ours are the temples of the wilderness. There are no spiritual leaders, for our hearts and the Creator are our only leaders. Our numbers are scattered; few speak our language or understand the things that we live. Thus we walk this path alone, for each Vision, each Quest, is unique unto the individual. But we must walk within society or our Vision dies, for a man not living his Vision is living death."

For a long time there was no other conversation. I retired into my own thoughts and doubts. I did not want to live within society, for the wilderness was my home, my love, my life and my spiritual rapture. I could not see why a man could not live his Vision in the purity of wilderness, away from the distractions of society. I could feel no urgency or see any reason why I should take what I have learned back to society.

Grandfather's voice shattered my thoughts. "The Earth is dying. The destruction of man is close, so very close, and we must all work to change that path of destruction. We must pay for the sins of our grandfathers and grandmothers, for we have long been a society that kills its grandchildren to feed its children. There can be no rest, and we cannot run away; far too many in the past have run away. It is very easy to live a spiritual life away from man, but the truth of Vision in spiritual life can only be tested and become a reality when lived near society."

"How do I know that we are so close to that destruction?" I asked.

"I had a Vision," Grandfather said. "It was a Vision of the destruction of man. But man was given four warnings to that destruction, two of which gave man a chance to change his ways and two of which would give the children of the Earth time to escape the Creator's wrath."

"How will I know these warnings, these signs?" I asked.

Grandfather continued. "They will be obvious to you and those who have learned to listen to the Spirit of the Earth; but to those who live within the flesh and know only flesh, there is no knowing or understanding. When these signs, these warnings and prophecies, are made manifest, then you will understand the urgency of what I speak. Then you will understand why people must not just work for their own spiritual rapture but to bring that rapture to the consciousness of modern man."

The Four Signs

Grandfather had been wandering for several years and was well into his forties when the Vision of the four signs was given to him. He had just finished his third Vision Quest at the Eternal Cave when the Vision made itself known. He had been seated at the mouth of the cave, awaiting the rising Sun, when the spirit of the warrior appeared to him. He felt as if he were in a state somewhere between dream and reality, sleep and wakefulness, until the spirit finally spoke and he knew that it was not his imagination. The spirit called Grandfather's name and beckoned him to follow.

As Grandfather stood, he was suddenly transported to another world. Again, he thought that he was dreaming, but his flesh could feel the reality of this place; his senses knew that this was a state of abject reality, but in another time and place.

The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather. "These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."

With that, the spirit warrior was gone and Grandfather was left alone in this strange, new world.

The First Sign

The world he was in was like nothing he had ever known. It was a dry place with little vegetation. In the distance he saw a village, yet it was made out of tents and cloth rather than from the materials of the Earth. As he drew closer to the village, the stench of death overwhelmed him and he grew sick. He could hear children crying, the moaning of elders and the sounds of sickness and despair. Piles of bodies lay in open pits awaiting burial, their contorted faces and frail frames telling of death from starvation. The bodies appeared more like skeletons than flesh, and children, adults and elders all looked the same, their once dark-brown complexions now ash-grey. As Grandfather entered the village, the horror of living starvation struck him deeper. Children could barely walk, elders lay dying, and everywhere were the cries of pain and fear. The stench of death and the sense of hopelessness overwhelmed Grandfather, threatening to drive him from the village.

It was then that an elder appeared to Grandfather, at first speaking in a language that he could not understand. Grandfather realised, as the elder spoke, that he was the spirit of a man-a man no longer of flesh, but a man who had once walked a spiritual path, possibly a shaman of this tribe. It was then that he understood what the old one was trying to tell him.

The elder spoke softly. "Welcome to what will be called the 'land of starvation'. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned. But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself, but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear."

The old one continued. "These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of Creation and, as a result, is now forcing them to die."

The old man slowly began to walk away, back to the death and despair. He turned one last time to Grandfather, and said: "This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself."

With that, the old one disappeared, and Grandfather found himself back at the mouth of the Eternal Cave.

[Author's note: This is the great African famine that inspired the Bob Geldof "We are the World" Live Aid relief effort.]

Grandfather lay back on the ground, thinking about what he had witnessed. He knew that it had been a Vision of the possible future and that the spirit of the warrior had brought him to it to teach him what could happen. Grandfather knew that people all over the Earth were now starving-but why was this starvation so critical, so much more important than all the rest, even more important than the starvation that was taking place now?

It was then that Grandfather recalled that the tribal elder had said that the entire world would take notice, but that the world would not learn the lessons of what the death and famine were trying to teach. The children would die in vain.

Grandfather looked out across the barren land that surrounded the Eternal Cave to try to re-establish the reality of his 'now'. He said that it was still hard to discern between waking reality and the world of Vision, but he felt that he was back into his time and place.

He told me that the Eternal Cave was always a place to find Visions of the possible and probable futures, and it was not uncommon for the searcher to have a Vision at the mouth of the cave, not just inside.

In a state of physical and emotional exhaustion, Grandfather fell into a deep sleep, but it was in this sleep that the warrior spirit appeared to him again and brought the remainder of the first sign to completion.

In his dream, the spirit spoke to Grandfather. "It is during the years of the famine, the first sign, that man will be plagued by a disease, a disease that will sweep the land and terrorise the masses. The white coats [doctors/scientists] will have no answers for the people, and a great cry will arise across the land. The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex. It will destroy man from inside, making common sickness a killing disease. Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a life away from Nature. This, too, is a part of the first warning; but, again, man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs." [Author's note: This is presumably a reference to AIDS.]

The spirit continued. "The drugs will produce wars in the cities of man, and the nations will arise against those wars, arise against that killing disease. But the nations will fight in the wrong way, lashing out at the effect rather than the cause. It will never win these wars until the nation, until society, changes its values and stops chasing the gods of sex and drugs. It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future. It is then that he may understand the greater lessons of the famine and the disease. It is then that there can still be hope. But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level. Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probable futures of mankind."

With that, the warrior spirit let Grandfather fall into a deep and dreamless sleep, allowing him to rest fully before any more Vision was wrought upon him.

The Second Sign

Grandfather awoke at the entrance of the cave once again, the memory of the warrior spirit still vivid in his mind, the spirit's words becoming part of his soul.

When Grandfather looked out across the landscape, all had changed. The landscape appeared drier; there was no vegetation to be seen, and animals lay dying. A great stench of death arose from the land, and the dust was thick and choking, the intense heat oppressive. Looking skyward, the Sun seemed to be larger and more intense; no birds or clouds could be seen, and the air seemed thicker still. It was then that the sky seemed to surge and huge holes began to appear. The holes tore with a resounding, thunderous sound, and the very Earth, rocks and soil shook.

The skin of the sky seemed to be torn open like a series of gaping wounds, and through these wounds seeped a liquid that seemed like the oozing of an infection, a great sea of floating garbage, oil and dead fish. It was through one of these wounds that Grandfather saw the floating bodies of dolphins, accompanied by tremendous upheavals of the Earth and violent storms. As he held fast to the trembling Earth, his eyes fell from the sky, and all about him, all at once, was disaster. Piles of garbage reached to the skies, forests lay cut and dying, coastlines were flooded and storms grew more violent and thunderous. With each passing moment, the Earth shook with greater intensity, threatening to tear apart and swallow Grandfather.

Suddenly the Earth stopped shaking and the sky cleared. Out of the dusty air walked the warrior spirit, who stopped a short distance from Grandfather. As Grandfather looked into the face of the spirit, he could see that there were great tears flowing from his eyes, and each tear fell to the Earth with a searing sound.

The spirit looked at Grandfather for a long moment, then finally spoke. "Holes in the sky."

Grandfather thought for a moment, then, in a questioning, disbelieving manner, said, "Holes in the sky?"

And the spirit answered. "They will become the second sign of the destruction of man. The holes in the sky and all that you have seen could become man's reality. It is here, at the beginning of this second sign, that man can no longer heal the Earth with physical action. It is here that man must heed the warning and work harder to change the future at hand. But man must not only work physically, he must also work spiritually, through prayer, for only through prayer can man now hope to heal the Earth and himself."

There was a long pause as Grandfather thought about the impossibility of holes in the sky. Surely Grandfather knew that there could be a spiritual hole, but a hole that the societies of the Earth could notice would hardly seem likely.

The spirit drew closer and spoke again, almost in a whisper. "These holes are a direct result of man's life, his travel, and of the sins of his grandfathers and grandmothers. These holes, the second sign, will mark the killing of his grandchildren and will become a legacy to man's life away from Nature. It is the time of these holes that will mark a great transition in mankind's thinking. They will then be faced with a choice-a choice to continue following the path of destruction, or a choice to move back to the philosophy of the Earth and a simpler existence. It is here that the decision must be made, or all will be lost."

Without another word, the spirit turned and walked back into the dust.

The Third Sign

Grandfather spent the next four days at the cave entrance, though for those four days nothing spoke to him, not even the Earth. He said that it was a time of great sorrow, of aloneness, and a time to digest all that had taken place.

He knew that these things would not appear in his lifetime, but they had to be passed down to the people of the future with the same urgency and power with which they had been delivered to him. But he did not know how he would explain these unlikely events to anyone. Surely the elders and shamans of the tribes would understand, but not society, and certainly not anyone who was removed from the Earth and Spirit.

He sat for the full four days, unmoving, as if made of stone, and his heart felt heavy with the burden he now carried.

It was at the end of the fourth day that the third Vision came to him. As he gazed out onto the landscape towards the setting Sun, the sky suddenly turned to a liquid and then turned blood-red. As far as his eyes could see, the sky was solid red, with no variation in shadow, texture or light. The whole of Creation seemed to have grown still, as if awaiting some unseen command. Time, place and destiny seemed to be in limbo, stilled by the bleeding sky. He gazed for a long time at the sky, in a state of awe and terror, for the red colour of the sky was like nothing he had ever seen in any sunset or sunrise. The colour was that of man, not of Nature, and it had a vile stench and texture. It seemed to burn the Earth wherever it touched. As sunset drifted to night, the stars shone bright red, the colour never leaving the sky, and everywhere the cries of fear and pain were heard.

Again, the warrior spirit appeared to Grandfather, but this time as a voice from the sky. Like thunder, the voice shook the landscape. "This, then, is the third sign, the night of the bleeding stars. It will become known throughout the world, for the sky in all lands will be red with the blood of the sky, day and night. It is then, with this sign of the third probable future, that there is no longer hope. Life on the Earth as man has lived it will come to an end, and there can be no turning back, physically or spiritually. It is then, if things are not changed during the second sign, that man will surely know the destruction of the Earth is at hand. It is then that the children of the Earth must run to the wild places and hide. For when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man."

Grandfather sat in shocked horror as the voice continued.

"From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign, will be four seasons of peace [that is, one year]. It is in these four seasons that the children of the Earth must live deep in the wild places and find a new home, close to the Earth and the Creator. It is only the children of the Earth that will survive, and they must live the philosophy of the Earth, never returning to the thinking of man. And survival will not be enough, for the children of the Earth must also live close to the Spirit. So tell them not to hesitate if and when this third sign becomes manifest in the stars, for there are but four seasons to escape."

Grandfather said that the voice and red sky lingered for a week, and then were gone as quickly as they were manifest.

The Fourth Sign

He did not remember how many days he'd spent at the mouth of the cave, nor did it make a difference, for he had received the Vision he had come for.

It was in his final night at the Eternal Cave that the fourth Vision came to Grandfather, this time carried by the voice of a young child.

The child said, "The fourth and final sign will appear through the next ten winters [that is, ten years] following the night that the stars will bleed. During this time, the Earth will heal itself and man will die. For those ten years, the children of the Earth must remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man. They must remain hidden, like the ancient scouts, and fight the urge to go back to the destruction of man. Curiosity could kill many."

There was a long silence, until Grandfather spoke to the child spirit, asking, "And what will happen to the worlds of man?"

There was another period of silence until finally the child spoke again. "There will be a great famine throughout the world, like man cannot imagine. Waters will run vile, the poisons of man's sins running strong in the waters of the soils, lakes and rivers. Crops will fail, the animals of man will die, and disease will kill the masses. The grandchildren will feed upon the remains of the dead, and all about will be the cries of pain and anguish. Roving bands of men will hunt and kill other men for food, and water will always be scarce, getting scarcer with each passing year. The land, the water, the sky will all be poisoned, and man will live in the wrath of the Creator. Man will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. Man will be destroyed, his cities in ruin, and it is then that the grandchildren will pay for the sins of their grandfathers and grandmothers."

"Is there then no hope?" Grandfather asked.

The child spoke again. "There is only hope during the time of the first and second signs. Upon the third sign, the night of the bleeding, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. Man will be given these warnings; if unheeded, there can be no hope, for only the children of the Earth will purge themselves of the cancers of mankind, of mankind's destructive thinking. It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and Spirit."

Then all was silent, the landscape cleared and returned to normal, and Grandfather stepped from the Vision. Shaken, he said that he had wandered for the next season, trying to understand all that had been given to him, trying to understand why he had been chosen.

Grandfather had related the story to me in great detail during that night of the four prophecies. I don't think that any event had been left out, and his emotions and thoughts were such that he actually relived it for us. Thus the power of his Vision became part of our spirit, our driving force, and a big part of our fears.

I sat for a long time up on the hill. The fire had gone out, and all had retired to sleep for the night. Creation seemed to be at a standstill, awaiting this darkest part of the night to pass by. I felt alone and vulnerable, as if all of Creation were scrutinising my every thought.

Grandfather had this Vision some time in the 1920s.

About the Author:

Tom Brown, Jr - has called the wilderness home for most of his life. In 1978 he wrote his first book, The Tracker (an autobiography), and founded the Tracker School where he teaches courses in survival skills such as tracking, nature awareness and ancient Earth philosophy. He has since written another 15 books, including Tom Brown's Field Guide to Wilderness Survival as well as The Search, The Vision, The Quest, The Journey, Grandfather and Awakening Spirits.

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Posted: Apr 11 2005, 05:35 PM
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The Cable company hasn't caught up to me yet so tonight I'm going to try to finish what I started the other night on my best guess thread.
Here is why I think those are the right prophesies

I must apologize for not giving you the "story" sooner at times I have to wait for a" feeling to do" things...

Sunday night I went out to Buddy's farm and helped put a new roof on the shed, after dinner and a doob, some one offered some shrooms ( somebody suggested that that might make me feel better, ha ha )...well since sobriety was the FIRST thing I adopted when I lost my workplace, I don't mind sayin, even the tiny amount was overwhelming. (My tolerance level has really dropped LOL)
So, I took my headspins and I went out to watch the sun go down by myself, sitting out behind the shed, looking off across the fields and out onto Georgian Bay.

Suddenly as I sat with my eyes closed feeling the sun, something yanked my head back, and pulled open my eyes, and made me look straight up, just as a type of hawk, or falcon, a large bird of pray I am not familiar with, swooped around the peak of the shed roof, just over my head, and then silently flew majestically off into the sunset to the west over Georgian bay.

It reminded my of this theme of possession that has been dogging me all my life, and provided my with the thought that since I have no doubt, I can just put it out and I can feel secure in what I know.
Any one is free to take it any way they want, those with similar experiences will understand, and everyone else can doubt it all they want to. It won't change a thing for me.

This is about being visited by beings and What I can acertain...

On the INTERNET any one can say anything, so I say this knowing I have nothing to gain by saying is for the listener to decide...but elders will know what to make of it.

This is an amalgamation of other PMs

Well every one can make of this what they will...
this is the gist of it I guess, add to it 35 years of trying to reconcile this with the world everyone lives in....and survive with this tied to my neck like a boat anchor...
add to it the shamanistic elements, a double whammy....
(this is all tied together, its ONE thing: the visitors, folklore, the shamanistic, and the religious)
Most shamanistic types draw teachers that KNOW of their realm,
I don't get that luxury.
I feel I am walking point, semi deaf, dumb, and blind and unarmed.

Several people have PMed, so I'm trying to organize and explain...

I try to give the impression I am " normal ", and I still have to deal with a world that thinks it is sane when I KNOW it is not, while dealing with this, while really I feel like I am completely isolated...I see a lot of beliefs that people have, which I don't want to offend, but about certain things I am NOT guessing. Yet I realize everyone has the complete right to think of what I relate as they so choose.
So I will say what I will, hope it makes some kind of positive difference, and hope the consequences for me are not too severe.
I have had to deal with some very harsh reactions, at my expense over this at times.
I still have a welt scar on my neck from an injector, and missing time from a much more earthly and sinister cause....
The wealthy,bloodline connected side of my family has tried to destroy my life... because I am NOT like them...
and more...

I am waiting for a friend to retrieve a photo I was possessed to take of a being of light, he says he saved it, I am hoping to scan it if he does find it, he knows it is others, (he's already seen enough to know. )

How the possession thing goes.

The rep part..( How they might influence us )
I worked in the bar biz for 15 years.
When in trouble for an instant I would be "possessed."
In that state I could move faster then a person can think.
I would be off to the side in my mind while a being steps in, gets the job done, and then leaves.
I would be looking down like time was a river and I could see ahead and know what was going to happen next exactly.
I could step across this river to avoid a swing, and people later would describe it like I was here, then I was there. Faster then they could think.
My memory of the "in between" the reality I skipped, is "none"
I remember seeing the river of events like looking at a time lapse photo set dream steam, and knowing where to pop back in moving relative to the stream... ( I NEVER initiated violence once, but had it thrust on me hundreds maybe of times, I never actuall hurt anyone, and NO one ever came back to try it twice.) )

My first visit was:
I was 8 yrs old
I awoke with two small little old "boys" standing beside my bed.
They were dressed in silver suits and had bubble helmets.
The moonlight coming through the window reflecting in the helmets looked like halos.
At the moment that I realized that they couldn't be my younger brother, and was about to panic, one of them threw sand in my eyes, and I awoke about 4 hours later.

I forgot the incident after a couple of days.
When I was twelve I was reading Hans Christian Anderson's Folk tales and when I read of the legend of the sand man, the memory came back.
In the folk tale, (not a fairy tale, there is a difference) the Sandman throws sand into children's eyes and then takes them for a ride on his horse across the sky.
Children facing backwards die, while children facing forward live.

They left me with the memory so that I would compare them to the cherubs in the church artwork, I realized that the church version had to be a mistranslation, the cherubs were doing all the jobs for the angels - holding banners, playing harps, holding the train on Mary's dress - little servants.

I had the typical nose bleeds often as a child...
I have lots of triangle scars and scoop marks....instant scar tissue.

So what I have been visited by was classed as angels all through our known history.
I guess they feel its time, and that I had the background to handle seeing them as they are, which was not possible till science was advanced enough to produce a child with my "take" on things.

So you have the little people from European, Celtic myth, and angels.
you have sky trips, abductions, and demons...
( a friend's little girl visits the "boogie" house in the sky)
My roommates kid has triangle scars all over, they are "Bush" family.
the father has a stutter, the kid has a hearing ands speech problem..
grand pa was George A Bush...

A whole bunch of Metis here, are in the same boat as me and the same characters have visited more then just me here...
I am the one stressed with walking point on these issues though, the rest that I know of are looking to me to find answers and figure this out.

I have two marks that look like vampire marks, consider the thought that the reps need blood to survive.
I just realized though from some ORION links that Tree Hugger sent me, that one is a perfect pyramid, and one looks like the hieroglyph for Horus (the Hawk)
They are upside down on my arm which suggests they are a message for me.
Tree is on the right track with the law of one stuff, (IMHO) and now we are back to Edgar Cayce's Atlantis.

Do you see, how these things create keys to decipher the legends and writings from the past?
Note the god systems all seem to be parallel?
Greek, Roman Norse Egyptian Sumerian NDN the Vedas.
Orion links have reps in it. The I Ching, Dragons...
The Huron's Deganawidah's virgin birth and the casting out of "snakes" / demons..medusa, round round we go....

I hope I'm not giving you a head ache, with all this.
the Hopi and Sumerians and gypsies have been tentatively traced back to a common origin. In mesopotamia...
Pa Ha Na seems to be the same dude to both Hopis and Sumarians..I believe he maybe is, or is maybe connected to, The Old Man From The Sky, and or Deganawidah...

Then reading Credo Mutwa, (from Icke) we are back in Africa.

The math of procession of the equinoxes is one of the ancient race's calling cards.

Carlos Castenada: the whole quest of Don Juan is to escape the hybridized enslavement by the Iguana beings...

The things Don Juan ( Castenada) teaches are the same skills a Tibetan monk / adept has, which are the same skills as a Siberian shaman

Run your full name, your parents full names and maiden names etc
through this anagram generator and see what comes up:
Quite a few people have been freaked out by what they have found

I awoke one night I was looking at a being in a monk's cloak.
He was so old and wrinkled, I couldn't see him as Human.
He had grayish skin, and brown eyes...
I thought:
" Lets get on with it"
I was resigned, like a kid going for chemo.
In that fractal personality I know what is going on, I'm not supposed to recall more. Until they decide its time for me to remember what ever reason.
The next mourning I awoke remembering a trip in a craft, I was in my body, in a protective, restraining type thing...watching the goings on.
I see the vague shape of a being working off to the side, engrossed in a panel of controls.I can't make out what kind of being.

The next mourning I awoke thinking:
" Wow! I remember everything, I don't have to write it down!"
Then I forgot the whole thing 'till about noon.
I could only remember that I had remembered...
By then I could only recall the instant I mentioned above.
the trip was just a blur, I can only picture a vague snap shot inside the craft with no distinct details.

I described this to my friend Kevin that afternoon.
When I described the old man, and before I mentioned the cloak, he
interrupted me with a memory that just popped into his head.
He was about 12, outside his house in the middle of the night,
and "the old man from the sky"
was looking back at him, the backdrop, a 60 foot saucer parked on edge between two houses across the street.
A snapshot of memory was all that occurred to him.
he described the cloak before I did.

We were in the habit of going to the library together, and just picking books. I have a lot of friends I share strange goings on with, and we were chipping away at these thing.
I picked a book on Ojibwa Art ( the local Indians now)
As I dropped the book on the kitchen table it flopped open to:
The Old Man From the Sky, and the art depicting him, and some legends about him.

...years before I was possessed to dig up a self sharpening stone skin scraper, it was my key to contacting certain clan Indians who are greatly respected as special...

A respected member of the Cherokee wolf clan suggested that I look up Deganahwidah.

It wasn't until I read "The Biggest Secret" by David Icke"
that it dawned on me that I might be dealing with a REP.

According to Edgar Cayce the Altlanteans were of two clans:
the SONS (lay with the daughters of man in the bible) of Balial..(zionists)
and the followers ( NOT SONS) of the law of one (ra)

As you see from comparing Deganahwida to GWB which is which...

It clued me to the history behind it. the History is very important to this.

I'm listening to a guy on Rense describe how a western Indian tribe was feeding a creature called "crazy bear", a Sasquatch type creature that came to earth in a small moon, with other little creatures in silver suits.

The people I descend from the Wyandot, or Hurons..The clan of the bear, the rock and the cord, the Cree and Ojibwa
Here Bears are thought to travel, as little blue balls of light.
I saw a little blue ball of light on another Sunday night ( 27 days ago now) while having a smoke outside on my buddy's farm....

This is weird, this is close to another visit....little beings in silver suits...

I was possessed and snapped a pic of a being of light hovering in the bush.
This maybe illustrates the "ascension" and the "rapture"; well an interpretation of it anyway.
There is physics involved.
The Jayseuss folks may have it mistranslated. (IMHO!!! )

Its all about quantum inter actions. and DNA which is a helix and relies on Tesseracts too.

I am the conjunction of several bloodline families for certain, yet my brother is not like me...

Well there it is, I hope it adds to a solution.

Deganawidah, and Stalking Wolf I believe are the prophesies to pay attention to.
The I Ching parallels Deganawidah perfectly.
The Ice man found in the alps was covered in I Ching symbols and acupuncture point Tattoos.

I could be completely whacked, but this what I think.


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Posted: Apr 11 2005, 05:42 PM
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Well, still here...
The cable co. hasn't got to me yet...

I chose those prophesies because there is such a large element of something concrete about them.

Something I have always known is that fish ALWAYS die if the fish bowl doesn't get cleaned.

In a closed environment like planet earth there is a point where mans' population isn't large enough to cause enough damage, but past a certain point of no return and well...there is no return.

The two predictions though, show a sign of hope:

1. I KNOW there is outside intervention. ( I know you aren't sure that I TRUTHFULLY know that but, bare with me for thinkin's sake:

2. I was possessed and took a picture of a being of light, who I'm sure represents what Deganawidah forcasts for us...I have stepped out of time in miniature several times, and I have seen what that being sees...just a glimpse mind you, but enough to say I have seen it and I have a small Idea of what it entails. I have met someone who has SEEN the same type of being...and it is a famous family story so it has something as a verifier to qualify it. These beings exist in the realm Deganawidah forecasts that we are headed for.

We were always told in Catholic school, which was the public system in my childhood home town, That we each have a guardian angel hovering over us all our lives and if communication is open, the angel will protect you.
What ever happened to that Myth? The PTB don't want us to listen.
This parallels the Christian myth like so many other elements of this tale I've told to you, But it shows a slightly different TRANSLATION.

Also some others close to me have seen the Old Man From The Sky as well.
All this indicates something of the ending of Deganawidah's prophesy; Where we are headed.

Stalking Wolf gives the immediate signs to watch for and a timeframe.
IF we see them we will know.

This is my purpose:
IF we see the signs, we will know what to do.

The Hurons believed that the realm after death was like this one except without the hard ships...The happy hunting ground if you will.
Think of the creativity man will bring to that realm.
If a Huron went there he might picture and create a realm much like the last one he left.....Boring.

THINK OF WHAT WE WILL BRING. You have to admit man has developed one hell of an imagination.
This fits the Iroquois view that man is here to augment and continue the creator's work....what is man a master of beyond all else?
FICTION. ha ha

My advice:
Google ENOCH
His writings were SELECTIVELY chosen for the concept of sin and for Revelations in the bible.
They have been found complete in a couple of places in the world and are free for download in many places round the net.

If you read Stalking Wolf's teachings through Tom Brown's books you will get the hint of how to handle this chain of events IF it happens.
You will know what is happening, and you won't die or go insane from shock and confusion.
This will also prepare you if the state system crashes, the hydro goes out and the roads are blocked and all the systems fail.
It will also show you which type of characters have real access to the spiritual and can offer REAL guidance.

Get wild plant books, survival guides, and basic gear, and keep it handy.
If you file share there are many pdfs and word files you can snag, and many authors who teach the arts well.
Practice at least a little so you can see if you have WORKABLE INFO.

There is a Canada filmboard film, made in the 60s, where a Metis man goes into the bush friday night, and by sunday night, he has a canoe, a shelter, food, pots and pans, cutlery, everything he would need to be comfortable AND survive, in a spiritual manner.

Learn Zen, or any form of workable meditation, It's all about training your self to relax and shut up, which at its simplest, is just what words you train your mind to say to yourself, and practice. It's very simple.
From relaxation all things magical happen almost by themselves.
Focusing on desire LOCKS your mind so it isn't open.
Let go the ego. Mans' ego is his own worst enemy.
Let the will come through you and you act together with it.

The visits I have had, have had the constant theme to them of proving to me and the people around me who are open, that there is no doubt that this is happening to me. I KNOW you can't see this yourselves, so I only hope you will think on what I have said.

This is why I chose not to except all the gracious offers of help.

None of the pawnshops will take my survival gear or my mountain bike.
And other then my computer, which is something they also won't take, I wasn't actually using any of it.
I guess I'm being bumped down to what really matters.
And I am Ok with that.

I hope you all get to experience much joy.

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Posted: Apr 11 2005, 08:20 PM
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Hi Dabones,

Amazing story, about grandfather. I read it with great interest.

There are a lot of words written by a lot of people about the future.

My look on this:
There are two kind of persons doing this:
- the kind which is in need of attention and does everything the get it, even if that means to predict the end of the world (e.g. see glp)
- the kind which has definitely has some deep true feeling or vision that something is going to happen.

The writer of the message will do his/her best to detail the visions,so that nothing is left out. This is a good thing: For the reader it is very important... If the reader is ready to receive this message, spiritually, it will have great meaning and impact in his/her life. It might affect only one life, but then again, as told in your story, one person's deeds can alter the course of humanity. It also might affect a group of people, ready for this.They all might do little deeds to help and it could be as much as big deeds done by the one.

Then there is the issue about multiple futures. As long as there is free will, there are multiple futures. So someone can try to predict the future, but if there is someone which alters it (e.g. by reading your message and decide to put most effort into not letting this happen), it is still a true prediction. Even if it didn't come to pass.

The "gutsfeeling" I get from this grandfather story is particulary strong.... I guess it is time to get up and start action

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Posted: Apr 15 2005, 03:34 PM
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I've only read the first part of this, but I think it adaquately explains things.

Extra special thanks to Hidatsa-Ena Sa, who's excellent research skills dredged this up....
This goes along with everything I've said about Reps, Visitors, Old Man From The Sky, Deganawidah, and Stalking Wolf.
Slam it onto your hard drive.
I'm no bible thumper....but this guy re-translates things properly IMHO.
I'll be damned if it ain't all starting to make a twisted sort of sense.

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