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Posted: Jun 10 2004, 11:22 PM
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Great post BJ
The cigarette smoking /cancer link was also linked to heavy metals buildup and contamination of lung tissues, and the smoking interacting with immunocompromised tissues of metals contamination..Most likely from airborne pollutants.
The fungal cancer connection would be from funguses colonizing weak lung tissue.
Be it from Phelps fluoride metal complexes to scarring from prior bacterial infections,
to bad living conditions with overexposure to molds/funguses,or biowarfare toxins,
once fungal infections take hold , they can be tough.
Scud missile aflatoxin was derived from fungal aspergillus , which is everywhere.

Often they are misdiagnosed and the medical practice in the US, always starts the diagnosis as viral , then after time to bacterial.
When the antibiotics don't work, only sometimes is a doctor aware enough to test for a possible fungal lung infection.
I think it was Bob Dylan that came down with a rare heart infection that was fungal.

Extremely nasty fungal antibiotics are used in heart infections.
Again , memory tells me it is the antibiotic amphoterracin.
4-8 weks of dosage,bad side effects.

Also for fungal- Lamisil, and Diflucan

the FOODS listed are obviously the FIRST course of action.
and the antibiotic as an emergency necessity.
The list intimates that B-17 foods are very good?
would that include all hih B-17 foods?
apple and apricot seeds?

***Do you know the oils , in the "cottage cheese and raw oils" combo ?
Just plain virgin olive oil?

The info on Hanna Kroeger is intrigueing.

go ahead and post the ingredient list of the mixed fruit juice !


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Posted: Jun 11 2004, 08:39 AM
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talking to Phelps, he asked about Dr.P.
and I sent him on a search.
he does not know dr.P.
but did this search and commented,

"I see His school vita now. He is UT - Tellahoma type. Arnold Engineering works, wind tunnels and such---UT space institute.

Berea College is a tiny little college in the coal country of the poorest part of Ky. They have one of the lowest tuitions in the country.
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M.S. in engineering science from the University of Tennessee Space Institute,
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Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the University of Kentucky.
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Sounds like he teaches down at UT Tellahoma, which is down in middle tennessee close to Nashville. I have some relatives from the area, but that is about the extent of my associations there.

I went to the Univ. of Tenn. Knoxville Campus, in Eastern Tennessee.

Never heard of C.P. before.

I am sure he knows nothing on fluorides or the human immune system---does not show in vita. But he does have some connections to the higher ranks.


One bit of trivia. NASA Cape K used to have the largest fluorine production
plant in the world because NASA once used F for rocket fuel. F was just too dangerous an oxidizer and they soon stopped using it.

**One other interesting tid bit, is that in the US the lead rates of HIV are
the Gold Coast Fla zone there, where there are also lots of phosphate stip mines and cookers that used to dump all kinds of fluorides-metals into the air and water.

I am not into the deep space much. more near Earth.

DOE does happen to own the land Area 51 sits on --- part of the Nevada Test Site properties. They have done considerable rocket and nuclear engine
research. Know a bit on those escapades. They have gone a lot further with space travel they they like to admit in public circles.

Area 51 is the highest level of classification for the DOE and they like to hide all their real dirty stuff down there behind a huge wall of security and classification.


No space aliens there----but lots of human experiments on little human guys they screwed up in chemical testing. Lots of the top crimes that DOE is involved with hide at Area 51.


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OK, Vianova, In response to your request for some more info concerning your questions regarding B17:

You asked, "The list (of foods) intimates that B-17 foods are very good? would that include all hih B-17 foods? apple and apricot seeds?

Yes. B17 foods are the cyanide foods. Mr. Phelps also spoke of the advantages of cyanide in treating lung disease. (Laetrile is B-17, recommended for all cancers):

"In Oak Ridge we had workers whose lungs and bodies were loaded with metals, which needed to be removed. One of the experimental techniques to change this was to use synergistic cyanide emission from the local waste air release stacks. These techniques became called "air pharmacology."

Another paragraph from Phelps on cyanide:

"In Oak Ridge, there was the issue of how one nuclear plant's toxic emissions did not do as much worker health damage as the other and looking at the plants other emissions yielded some ideas. One plant was high in cyanide compound emissions and this looked like the very same basic effect as seen used in the laetrile treatments for cancer. It is also connected to the Vit. B-17 effect."

"...Metals like magnesium, zinc, selenium, manganese, silver, gold all are ones that form the safe F-metal combinations and often aid in the removal of fluorides from the body."

"Vianova:
Relates to the B-17?
How did the cyanide work against the fluoride? >>
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J Phelps:
B-17 is a cyanide based vitamin and some claim a cure for cancer.

CN- radicals bond with metals and render them soluble, so they can be removed.

Oak Ridge dumped all kinds of metals dusts into the air----uranium, nickel, beryllium and so on. The cyanide radicals help to remove these metals in
areas of the lungs.

So, the CN- techniques help to lower the concentrations of the metals in the body and to lower the number of F-metal complexes that can form."
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The above more or less explain the benefits of cyanide in the fight against cancer.

Make your own interferon by mixing in a blender or by hand; 1 Cup of cottage cheese with 2 tablespoons of flax seed, walnut, almond or apricot oil.

B17 is especially found in bitter almonds and apricot seeds, but the gov't has outlawed both in this country, but not to worry. B17 is also found in millet, and all seeds show B17 in appreciable amounts The Chinese used almond tea for tumors 3,500 years ago!

A homemade B17 can be made from:
4 apricot kernels
2 pieces of dried apricots
5 tablets of Calcarea carbonica 6X homeopathic or lime juice.
Chew this 2 X a day.

Another herb used to remove heavy metals is Devil's Claw. Helpful is the use of added zinc and paprika.

A helpful remedy to kill off the cancer blood parasite, which is obviously a fungus, is to rub the following into the soles of the feet 3 X day, using equal parts of:

Oil of sassafras
Oil of wintergreen
Oil of spruce

Here are the ingredients used in the leukemia fruit drink as mentioned in my former post:

1 pt. freshly squeezed orange juice
1 pt. freshly squeezed grapefruit juice
1 pt. water with the juice of three limes
1 pt. water with the juice of 2 lemons
1 pt. of frozen pineapple juice, diluted
1 pt. papaya juice, diluted
1 pt. grape juice
12 whole eggs
6 egg yolks
Frozen raspberries or strawberries for added flavor, optional.

Beat eggs all together and mix into fruit mixture. The beating of the eggs prepared this way will remove avidin from the stomach.

The mix is a 1-day supply for an adult. For children, the amount is 1/3 to 1/2 the amount.

I would like to add this: Foods eaten after the A-bomb attack on Hiroshima were tomatoes and cucumbers to clear the fallout from their systems. It should be noted, also, that the aloe vera plants escaped destruction.

I am going to add this, too, as I just now ran across it in one of Hanna Kroeger's books: She states, "Statistically, it is reported that 40 percent of all lung cancer and brain cancer have their origins in the weakening of these organs by trichinosis." Notice, she said IT IS REPORTED. The main hosts for this dread disease comes through eating pork and pork products. It would seem to me difficult to tell one lung or brain disease from either cancer or "Alzheimer's"! Hanna's treatment to kill the parasite was to take 3 drops of Oil of wintergreen on 1 tsp. of molasses 2 X day for 3 months, then take 3 magnesium oxide tablets 2 X daily for 3 weeks to destroy the calcium houses the parasites erected.

For any who would like to know more about Hanna Kroeger's books, I think they may still be available. There is a wealth of information in them!

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Hi Vianova,

It's called Tullahoma, Tn. AEDC, Arnold Engineering and Developement Center. Located off of I-24, about 1 1/2 hours south of Nashville. I never worked there but have friends who were in design and engineering there. It's not far from Lynchburg, Tn where Jack Daniels is made, and Winchester, Tn where George Dickel is made. Still it's aliitle out of the way from the large mass of industries along East Tennesee and the appalachians by 2 hours from Chattanooga, 1 1/2 from Nashville, 3 hrs from Birmingham, AL. The University of the South isn't far from there either. Because of the strategic location of Tennessee, nearly all major transport companies' depots are here in this state. Tennessee also was/is a hub for trafficking of many products.

Tennessee is a "right to work" state, meaning an employer can fire you without even telling you why (excluding labor unions). ALthough there's a wealth of industry here, it's still a depressed state overall with moderate to low wages as a norm.

It's easy to control people when you have them under your thumb. An easily controlled state, with geographic advantages. hmmmm........

Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) is a joke. The US Forestry service rapes the mtns at will with no explanations offered when asked. The Forestry Service designates areas of the Smokey Mtns as off limits under the guise of tree cutting or other stupid reasons and of course, the locals can make no sense of it. Maybe it's because of the Transmitting towers they're erecting. Transmitting towers for what?

So you see, Tennessee is a resource and base operations for TPTB.




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"B.S. in physics from Berea College,
M.S. in engineering science from the University of Tennessee Space Institute, *
Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from the University of Kentucky.
Postdoctoral fellow at the University of Kentucky, 1971-1973;
member of the faculty at the Space Institute, 1973-1980;
member of CALSPANīs staff at Arnold Air Force Base, 1981-1985.
Currently with Teledyne Brown Engineering and teaching part-time.
Specialties in space trajectories and numerical analysis. Also conversant
with thermodynamics, gas dynamics, plasma physics, reactor physics, and heat
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Other interests: astro- physics, paleontology, and archaeology.
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Sounds like he teaches down at UT Tellahoma, which is down in middle tennessee close to Nashville. I have some relatives from the area, but that is about the extent of my associations there."


This is that same Dr. P over on GodDamnedProductions? If so, that sounds pretty impressive.

I always assume people on these forums who talk about their education background -- especially when they start to sling degrees -- are lying.

But if Dr. P has that kind of CV, he must be a pretty heavy hitter.


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Yes, OTS, Dr. P. has some credentials (although Berea College is wittle-bitty) which makes him allthemore a shill and stooge. How can anyone with a track record of learning be so closedminded to the obvious? Furthermore, what a waste of time belittling and berating people from someone with his credentials unless..................




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Posted: Jun 12 2004, 11:36 AM
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fabulous info from BJ , thanks!

Linking the cyanide-B-17 curative properties from food and herbal source to the applications that Phelps refers to in "air pharmacology" is good work!
I love the publication of natural food formulas! for health

On Dr.P.
Yes , he is the same one on GLP.
His name is used by other debunkers, and by those trying to show how Dr.P. is such an asshole.
He is NOT the one with the avatar,
that one is a counter psyop to thorn into the side of Dr.P.
by either acting like Dr.P.,
to show his awful personality,
or infiltrating counter informational data to debunk Dr.P.
Or to confront Dr.p. as he is defending things like depleted uranium and debunking chemtrails.or panning comets and catastrophism, or anything astronomically important that Dr.P. uses to infiltrate status qou govt. political stances for debunking or info control
Guess who?and don't miss Dr.P.s assistant.
Dr.P. is what I call a "civilian pop up spook"
There is NO REASON other than being semi-employed by the CIA or govt. for someone of Dr.P.s stature to be on GLP, to do the debunking he does.
Since when does an orbital mechanics PhD, that expertises in space rocket fissio/fusion propulsion systems, and is fluently competent in all forms of missile delivery systems in relation to impact blast zones of nuclear and/or any explosive,
hang out at GLP for "enjoyment"..?
Like Phil Plait , he is there for a function of information control, not for simple enjoyment of"having fun with crackpots " as he often says.

On Phelps and fluoride or HF releases from industry and consequent metals bonding by Fluorides is right on the money.
Doing side research. it is amazing the international studies in particular with the
AL-F complex.

recent net searches:

EDTA oral chelation can help remove mercury etc

The lethal dose of artificial flouride is 50 times smaller than naturally occuring fluoride.

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Fluoride, Mercury, & Allergic Diseases
http://www.fluoridealert.org/science-watch/10.htm

Hydrogen fluoride industrial release are often released in tandem with mercury and a host of other metals primarily aluminum

Fluoride is the most prevalent industrial release compound
Fluorine derivatives are the most aggressive among toxic compounds polluting the atmosphere.


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These links below are wild from fluoride alert

A WEALTH of fluoride info !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clearly supporting all of Phelps assessments on the fluoride-Aluminum complexes
review the huge amount of links in :

http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-pollution.htm

**"Airborne fluorides have caused more worldwide damage to domestic animals than any other air pollutant." - US Department of Agriculture. Air Pollutants Affecting the Performance of Domestic Animals. Agricultural Handbook No. 380. Revised. 1972. p. 109.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/HF-acid.gases.htm
Fluorine derivatives are the most aggressive among toxic compounds polluting the atmosphere. Moreover, the percentage of fluorides in industrial emissions is constantly increasing with the bulk of fluorides being emitted by aluminium smelters.

Addition describes the situation where the extent of damage caused by a pollutant mixture corresponds to the sum of damages caused by each substance. Synergism implies a greater overall damage than the sum of single damages,

environmental fluoride
http://www.fluorideaction.org/nrc-fluoride.htm

Cancer : Cancer researchers have found a 17% rise in 16 yrs of cancers in towns in the USA which are fluoridated in comparison with those which are not. A rise in a rare bone cancer, osteosarcoma, was recorded in men under 20 in fluoridated areas. This was confirmed in studies on rats in 1989 by the US National Toxicology Program.11

fluoride-industrial lawsuits
http://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/chemicals/cabot.html

http://www.fluoridealert.org/china-metallurgy.htm
Chinese industrial source

Bush Wants EPA to Remove Mercury as Toxic Substance
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/03/bush_wan..._substance.html

**Mercury{Hg} metal
reacts with fluorine, F2, chlorine, Cl2, bromine, Br2, or iodine, I2, to form the dihalides mercury(II) fluoride, HgF2, mercury(II) chloride, HgCl2, mercury(II) bromide, HgBr2, or mercury(II) iodide, HgI2, respectively.

Hg(l) + F2(g) HgF2(s) [white]


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"There is NO REASON other than being semi-employed by the CIA or govt. for someone of Dr.P.s stature to be on GLP, to do the debunking he does.
Since when does an orbital mechanics PhD, that expertises in space rocket fissio/fusion propulsion systems, and is fluently competent in all forms of missile delivery systems in relation to impact blast zones of nuclear and/or any explosive,
hang out at GLP for "enjoyment"..?"

"Like Phil Plait , he is there for a function of information control, not for simple enjoyment of"having fun with crackpots " as he often says."


Vianova, it sounds to me like you're hinting that no smart or educated person would be at GLP unless he's a debunker or a liar. In other words, all the people who aren't debunkers are a bunch of uneducated fools?

Well that's bullshit.

Just because someone doesn't have a college degree like you or any of the rest doesn't make them stupid.




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tenn...

http://www.sns.gov/

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Vianova is correct.

Certain people lurk at GLP for damage control.

THEY can't have all the sheople thinking for themselves.

Mustn't let anyone believe chemtrails are real.

To me, when someone debunks chemtrails as dilligently as those at GLP do, there must be an agenda.

ESPECIALLY when those who tell us chemtrails do not exist are of a higher education.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize somethings going on in the skies, but it does require that the mind controlled brainwashed masses LOOK UP and see for themselves.


BJ, thank you for all the info.... some interesting stuff indeed.

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"The SNS will be the first scientific facility to use pure mercury as a target for a proton beam".

hmmm
they connect to Brookhaven and Los Alamos...

http://www.sns.gov/aboutsns/source.htm

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First of all, thank you, Vianova, for gathering all of the information and presenting it to us. I would like to say that I have hated the idea of fluoridating our water supplies since 1968, after reading a Canadian article that exposed fluoride as the cause of death in dialyzing kidney patients, who were suffering heart attacks. What was found is that fluoride locks calcium in the bones and cannot be released when the pituitary calls for it. Heart attacks also followed after cities fluoridated their water supplies. And so did cancer. Statistics bore that out.

In 1968, Ipana was the only toothpaste on the ready market that didn't have fluoride in it, but it soon disappeared. It wasn't until I found some fluoride-free toothpaste in the health food stores that I was able to get away from the stuff. Parents should read the warning label on their toothpaste, then put it out for rat poison!

Here is some more info dug up in more recent days:

Sarin nerve gas is: ...Isopropyl methyl-phosphonfluoridate...Nerve deadeners and anesthetics like: .... Isofluorane and Halothane (fluorothane...)

This isn't about teeth, folks...its about specific areas of the brain that are damaged from fluoride toxins. This damage then causes / instigates a psychological apathy (like being anesthetized) , like many other drugs or chemicals do. ...

Arthur Evangelista, former FDA Investigator
Public Health and Medical Fraud Research
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The government, since Bush assumed "emergency powers" has once again acted in a manner that threatens our lives by mandating a level of 4 mg/liter of fluoride in drinking water, about TEN times what can safely be tolerated. It looks like we are facing "Fluoride Genocide".

Dr. James Bowen,
specialist in Biochemistry
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What I would like to do is tie in fluoride with fungal infections as there should be a connection, not that fluoride would necessarily cause a fungus infection, but aid in its growth.

It is a certainty that all cancers are caused by a fungus, aflatoxin (mentioned by Vianova) being the most dangerous, and found in our foods. Here are excerpts from an article I keep on file:

Fungal Infection Causing Cancer

Is Cancer Contagious?
By David Holland, MD

Fungal infections not only can be extremely contagious, but they also go hand in hand with leukemia -- every oncologist knows this. And these infections are devastating: once a child who has become a bone marrow transplant recipient gets a "secondary" fungal infection, his chances of living, despite all the antifungals in the world, are only 20%, at best.


And then the unthinkable thought arises: what if all of these children didnīt even have leukemia, but rather a fungal infection, just as this nurse did? If doctors, in the 21st century, could mistake a fungal infection for leukemia in this nurse, could the same fate have fallen upon these children?

Laboratories display the same difficulty in diagnosing fungal infections: current tests for detecting the presence of fungi are both terribly scant and sorely antiquated.

Despite these training and technical inadequacies, there have been at least a few good reports that implicate the role of fungi in causing leukemia.

Pre-dating that, Mark Bielski stated back in 1997 that leukemia, whether acute or chronic, is intimately associated with the yeast, Candida albicans. (2)

Finally, almost 50 years ago, Dr. J. Walter Wilson, in his textbook of clinical mycology, said that "it has been established that histoplasmosis and such reticuloendothelioses as leukemia, Hodgkinīs disease, lymphosarcoma, and sarcoidosis are found to be coexistent much more frequently than is statistically justifiable on the basis of coincidence." (3)

Histoplasmosis is what we call an "endemic" fungal infection. It is most commonly acquired in regions surrounding the Ohio and Mississippi river valleys in the United States. One becomes ill by merely inhaling the tiny fungal spores of this fungus. (For more information on histoplasmosis and other endemic fungi, you can visit: http://www.doctorfungus.org/). Three similar reports like this over the span of 40 years should convince us to at least study the role of fungi in cancers like leukemia a little more thoroughly.

The late Milton White, MD., did exactly this. He fully believed that cancer is a "chronic, intracellular, infectious, biologically induced spore (fungus) transformation disease." (4) Using the proper isolation techniques (involving saline instead of formaldehyde as a tissue transportation medium between the operating room and the pathology lab), he was able to find fungal spores in every sample of cancer tissue he studied. His lifetime work has been routinely dismissed as nothing more than an unproven postulate.

In his book, The Germ that Causes Cancer (http://iknowthecause.com), author and television host Doug Kaufmann asserts that not only fungi, but also foods play a role in the etiology of cancer. He has seen children become free of their documented leukemia once the childīs parents simply changed the childīs diet. Kaufmannīs diet is base on the widely-published problem of mycotoxin contamination of our grain foods.

Grains such as corn, wheat, barley, sorghum, and other foods such as peanuts, are commonly contaminated with cancer-causing fungal poisons, or "mycotoxins." (5,6) One of them, called aflatoxin, just happens to be the most carcinogenic substance on earth. If this is indeed a problem, Kaufmann asserts, then cereal for breakfast and soda pop for dinner may not be conducive to a cancer-free lifestyle.

A case in point: in a grain-based diet, we consume, on average, from 0.15mg to 0.5mg of aflatoxin per day. (7) Further, he states, it is not the sugar alone that is the problem in our western diet, but the fungal toxins that are found in the sugary grains. More than once has Kaufmann interviewed a caller (on his health talk show) who absolutely craved peanut butter and popcorn just prior to their diagnosis of cancer.

Fungi are such a nuisance in carbohydrate foods in particular because fungi need carbohydrates to thrive. Therefore, it is rarer to see fungal contamination problems in foods like vegetables and high-protein foods.

Kaufmann goes on further to explain how even antibiotics may play a role in the disease process. Antibiotics destroy the normal, protective gut bacteria, allowing intestinal yeast and fungi to grow unchecked. These internal, gut yeast make toxins, too. This can lead to immune suppression, symptoms of any autoimmune disease, or even cancer. "If the onset of any symptom or disease- cancer included- was preceded by a course of antibiotics," he maintains, "then look for a fungus to be at the root of your problem."

Doug and I will be talking more about the role of fungi in cancer and other diseases, such as diabetes, in our upcoming seminars. Check out our website (http://iknowthecause.com) to find the location nearest you.

David Holland, MD
Co-author, The Fungus Link, Infectious Diabetes.
20 May 2003
MediaTrition, Inc.


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Posted: Jun 12 2004, 04:36 PM
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Hello Pupps Board Folks,

It appears that a few of you have a good lock onto the problems with fluorides in the environment. It is a problem so severe that places like Oak Ridge and the fluoride related industry interests decided to hide the problems.

One of the key problems with fluorides is that they are on the rise from multiple sources and they upset the trace metal metobolism in the body. This effect drives the enzyme and immune system crazy over time. It is so systemic an effect that few connect the problem to fluorides and the fluoride damage mechanisms. The Govt. and industry like to keep it veiled, due to liabilty issues.

Fluoride is even on the rise in processed chicken from McDonalds due to the bone scrapings. It comes from feeding chickens bone meal, which concentrates metals and fluorides. And some comes from the fluorides in the "Cipro" antibiotics they have to feed checkens fed unhealthy foods.

It is Sat. and kind of rainy here in East Tenn., so I decided to drop by your list and say hello. As many of you know, "Vio" has written and asked many questions and he has passed some of the communications along via this list. I have been very impressed with some of the information connections that Vio has introduced. Such good bits of insight appear to have pushed along the abilities of the list to comprehind the causation mechanisms to the point of being faster than most other lists that I have observed.

I noticed some fellow Tennesseans hanging out on this list, who appear to share problems with politician Zack Wamp. Zack Wamp's stretched district includes Oak Ridge. Zack Wamp runs from all the sick workers from the gas diffusion plant here that poisoned the workers with metals and fluorides. They have illnesses that the DOE likes to ignore, even call unexplained. Their illness are like severe cases of CFS and Gulf War illness. Zack Wamp loves to help DOE and big industry hide the huge health problem with fluorides in Oak Ridge. Wamp runs from chemtrail issues for the same reason. Wamp does not want to be the one letting the cat out of the bag, because he will loose his big campaign funding and the next election. Wamp is worse than a used car salesman.

It is hard to explain the problems with fluoride in the biosphere, but there are some simple analogies that may help more folks to comprehind. Many persons know that one must use distilled water in lead-acid batteries, because the chlorine and fluorine in the public water damages the battery metal processes. The same type catalist effect applies to adding fluoride to humans, it highly upsets metal metablism in humans. It is akind to insanity to buy into the idea that putting fluorides in the public water supplies is good or to ignore the huge rise in the fluorides in the food and water chain.

A similar effect happens when one adds fluoride to the soil, and the uptakes in plants of benefical metals. There is an entire cascade of effects. Fluoride is a catalist that affects the solubility of trace minerals. It tends to make the toxic ones more available in the food chain and body retention and the benefical ones less.

One of the better ways to look at the effects is to study the solubility at pH-7 for metal-fluoride combinations. A good reference to look at to begin to study these many combinations is Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary. One prime example to look at is manganese. The fluorine atoms tend to react with manganese and render it insoluble. So, this lessens the uptake in plants and the food chain. WIth the fluoride in humans, the manganese is rendered more and more unavalible to cell processes.

In the case for something like HIV, the loss of manganese levels in cells determines the reverse transcription ability for the virus to multiply. In one little sentence here, most of you just learned the main problem with why HIV is out of control. It was an effect that I spotted in 1985, only a few years after HIV was prominently reported in the news.

In the national security systems, like Oak Ridge, we have known the problems of HIV directly track the problems with fluoride pollution due to this effect and a few others. Oak Ridge lost lots of fluorides to the environment, and the key to uranium enrichement is fluoride compound called UF-6. If the truth got loose in Oak Ridge that fluoride losses were connected to the HIV equation, that would be the end of Oak Ridge's uranium plant due to public outrage. That is one prime reason the cause and effect have been suppressed from public view.

HIV is caused directly by our world's energy problems mainly, as this connects strongly to the global warming equation. This warning aggravates the techtonic stresses and releases of fluorides in areas like the East African Rift Zone, where the problems of HIV infections are worst. Fluoride levels are very high in these regions.

In the US, the HIV patterns tend to track fluorides as the main causeation, but are modified by the patterns of pathways, and this gets into patterns of religion, sexual groups like gays, and drug use. One of the prime problems with HIV infection comes from the simple fact that seminal fluids tend to concentrate flurides and metals and these can be passed to others via sexual patterns. The worst case areas in the body for HIV infection is the area of the gut.

In the case for males and HIV, the pattern first erupted in large cities with large permiscous populations that also used drugs like cocaine. Cocaine highly shuts down the immune system and makes susceptabilty for HIV infections 200 times greater.

So, when some say that HIV is a Govt. related plot---it is. The national security groups of the US know this HIV equation. In the Reagan era, this was the style of Govt. to allow these populations to be uninformed.

Most of you can go on to get the the broader issues now. When one looks at the unexplained illness etiology for Gulf War Illness, one gets into the same metal and fluorides domain. Gulf Vets were put at increased risk of illnesses first due to the 10 or so vaccines they were required to take. These vaccines used preservatives like the mercury based "thymerisol" [sp] and many used vaccine adjuvants made of aluminum. They were overdosed on metals. These two bad metals put all these Vets at increased health risk. Add to the problems that many were exposed to fluoride based nerve gases, Fluoride based Cipro antibiotics, high levels of chlorine in water supplies, all kinds of silica dusts in the lungs, some DU dusts, etc.---then one can find these factors all go to raise the Th-1 mode inflamatory cytokine levels.

A Rise in the Th-1 cytokine levels increases the permeabilty of the Blood-Brain-Barrier, BBB, to metals. This then gets into simple mental fatigue similar to how folks with the flu feel, but in the case of GWI--can go on for years and even worsen.

In closing, Fluoride effects are very interesting to study and when one spends a little time and uses some common sense, many health and environment health risks become suddenly more clear.

This is why the chemtrail experiments and methods are so hush-hush. The Govt. does not want the general population to know just how badly they have failed to protect the citizens.

But lately, a tiny few have begun to add up what has happened.

Good Job on this list folks !!

JP


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Hi JEP, glad you could join us. There's much to discuss and hopefully many will read.

I live in Cleveland. Zac Wamp is a wussy-boy and can't even carry a good conversation. He's an excellent puppet as he hasn't enough gray matter to generate original thought. Par for the course. I can complain forever of the maleficence that goes on in "our area". It seems people don't know about the manufacturers (and what kinds) that are conveniently located in East Tennessee. Standing back and looking at the map, I see a clear pattern. Of course, none of it is good, expect maybe in respect to jobs, even if it kills us.

It is totally useless to expect positive results from our esteemed elected officials for any of the past, future or current wrongs. That's the sad part of it all. They have all sold their souls for alittle freedom for themselves now, at the expense of the backbone of the nation.




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The Spallation Source links
SNS
lovely stuff....
"formed into a pulsed beam and accelerated to an energy of 2.5 million electron volts,
Cooled by liquid helium,
Intensifies the ion beam for delivery onto the mercury target"

This must be the clueburger,
"Cold neutrons are especially useful for research on polymers and proteins."

Hi Survivalist,
The homeland security deployment of that industrial sector there in Tennessee, must be apparent,
"ORNL is responsible for the design and construction of the liquid mercury target."
as in noticably visible in its presence ?

I imagine that linear accelerators and ring accumulators that
"intensifies the ion beam for delivery onto the mercury target",includes a major security sector involvement.

"The SNS is designed with the flexibility to be upgraded to significantly higher powers to meet the neutron intensity needs of the science community
*** well into the next century."

I wonder what all those polymer uses mentioned, are for?
Special NASA or air force jet/spacecraft technology and construction materials?
The Proteins?
AIDs,Mad cow, general pharma research , etc?

Well into the next century ??!!!
Man they are looking ahead alright.
"..the SNS expects 1000 to 2000 users each year from all walks of science and industry"

The rest of the report reads like a propaganda booster.
It's that "feelin' good at Oak Ridge", high on military industrial science ramble.

Fungal infections/Cancer
On Bowen,
"...not that fluoride would necessarily cause a fungus infection, but aid in its growth."

Interesting that Phelps viewpoint is that the pollutants inhaled in life, primarily the fluoride-bad metals complexes, cause the immediate damges of lung tissue immunocompromisation via the G-protein bonding,
and then opportunistic pathogens invade.

Either way, if you have a bad fungal lung infection ,
aluminum fluoride compounds in the air,
are going to be a major bummer.
Not to mention mercury , etc.
Minor amounts of these compounds no doubt manifest as allergies to chronic sinus/lung conditions.
And as they say,
"A little aflatoxin goes a long way "...
so I am sure that fungal lung infections are very serious and lead to cancer,especially in lieu of,

"Laboratories display the same difficulty in diagnosing fungal infections: current tests for detecting the presence of fungi are both terribly scant and sorely antiquated."

"it has been established that histoplasmosis and such reticuloendothelioses as leukemia, Hodgkinīs disease, lymphosarcoma, and sarcoidosis are found to be coexistent much more frequently than is statistically justifiable on the basis of coincidence." (3)

Histoplasmosis is what we call an "endemic" fungal infection."
"Pre-dating that, Mark Bielski stated back in 1997 that leukemia, whether acute or chronic, is intimately associated with the yeast, Candida albicans. (2) "

Ready for this?

http://proliberty.com/observer/19990905.htm
Prion diseases may be spreading through fungal infected grains

"Indeed, a growing body of scientific evidence shows that yeast, or fungi, may carry the resilient, infectious prion responsible for Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease"


Also mentioned was the killing of gut bacteria by antibiotics, allowing yeast to proliferate and cause disease.
Well just eat acidophilus-bifidus as a compensator.
I get a real good Emerald valleys Garlic olive humus that is loaded with acidophilus etc..Great Stuff!

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Last but not least indeed,
Thanks Jim for showing up and summing some of this up.

The SNS stuff claims that there will a lessened amount of hazardous materials created.
Does the liquid mercury target ...wear down after time? would there be dissipational mercury into the air from
"an energy of 2.5 million electron volts,"
"Intensifies the ion beam for delivery onto the mercury target"
...My imagination runs with this being a large pool of mercury, that needs replacing just like any catalyst or fuel.

JEP says,

"Gulf Vets were put at increased risk of illnesses.....
A Rise in the Th-1 cytokine levels increases the permeabilty of the Blood-Brain-Barrier, BBB, to metals. This then gets into simple mental fatigue similar to how folks with the flu feel, but in the case of GWI--can go on for years and even worsen."

Well , they {GWI- Gulf War Illness vets} also had to take PB pills , phygistamine bromide.for nerve gas, under "forced health protection " guidelines , I think that was dr. Sue Baker for the Pentagon...that said that.

In any case, ALL the accumulative effects of PB, DU, Vaccines, nerve gas,chemical dump burning pollutants,Fluoride based Cipro antibiotics, high levels of chlorine in water supplies, all kinds of silica dusts in the lungs,
and then invasive mycoplasma infections as well,
also linked to the vaccines,
cause another round of CFS , chronic fatigue syndrome , as synergistic in the flulike feelings from BBB metals intrusions.

JEP says,
""If the truth got loose in Oak Ridge that fluoride losses were connected to the HIV equation, that would be the end of Oak Ridge's uranium plant due to public outrage. That is one prime reason the cause and effect have been suppressed from public view."

I am not so sure about that.
TPTB are so entrenched and powerful,
that "public outrage" will never get the job done quick enough to affect the outcome.
Public outrage is expressed everywhere in environmental testimonies of eco-atrocity,
but the process is long and slow, and the attorneys and legal system draw it out ad nauseum..
I thought for sure the public outrage would develop after Horowitz clearly identified vaccine contaminants, and AIDs type recombinant virus manufacture.
The Hep-B experiments with only gay men,coinciding with vaccination delpoyment in Central Africa....
Horowitz proved that certain monkey viruses that infected Senegalese prostitutes could only have come from American vaccine lot.
Not to mention SV-40 from polio, and mycoplasma incognitus with AIDs DNA{Nicolson}.

Connecting the fluoride losses to HIV, as an air pollutant
that exacerbates the human system into immunocompromisation via the G-protein bonding, and facilitates AIDs infections, etc.,
can be seen by many of us here , but selling iit to the public , with the propagandists yelling, "Crackpot!"
is a tough order.

But we have got to keep trying don't we!
The more that information is spread in meaningful dialogue, the closer we get to getting the truth out.


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