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Posted: Jun 7 2004, 04:20 PM
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Thanks, Colonist, for the info.


Yes, we're screwed! They do as they will, and we can only guess, with no legal way of stopping them. Our elected officials aren't representing us, they represent themselves.

So, going back to what I was saying, we're screwed.

What can we do?

Change the world through our will of change. A start over, cleansing, whatever it takes. Aren't you getting tired of the rising levels of EVIL DOMINATION? Thinking you are helpless, is what they what you to think. Be part of the historical foretold changes. Will it. Just don't give up. Seek ways that you can be part of the historical foretold changes coming from the sky.

Also, magnetized water is EXTREMELY effective as an antitoxin. Research links available in the Homeopathy thread.




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Posted: Jun 7 2004, 04:55 PM
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Hi Colonist !!!
Right on!
this is excellent , and the verificational info you supplied adds a LOT to this
"getting to know and understand"
Jim Phelps.
I actually{ and maybe presumptuously} attempted on several occasions today,
to phone him, and there was an all day busy signal.
It looks like his old email address is effective, and that is how I will approach him , with questions and more, in the next few days!
I could not have hoped for a better contact reply , than yours in this forum Colonist.
The fact that you were there at Oak Ridge, and have experience with Phelps,
is exactly the shortcut in investigatory energy , i had hoped for.
Thanks!
I will have some juicy substance for him to respond to, if he cares to.


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Well, I have emailed this fellow , Jim Phelps with all the incredible info he presented.

Hopefully he will respond to the questions , if he has time.
I invited him here to PuPPs forum,
and let him know that Dr.P. , the famed astrophysicist, called him a crackpot.

His premise of fluorides in vast amounts environmentally as contamonants , and affecting human health as a major immunocompromiser, that facilitates pathogenic invasion of affected body tissues, make a lot of sense.

Below I have Concised the first half if his enormous document- the chemtrails overview.
Hopefully this will aid those that need a more scaled down assessment from the document.to just about each paragraph I have addressed questions to him.

Here is the concised report.

Jim Phelps is the inventor of the HAARP project

The protective effect happened when other metals were put into solution in the body or air that compete for the fluoride-metal complex, so that it can reduce the damage factor. The big three metal dangers in Oak Ridge are aluminum, beryllium, and mercury; each forming G-protein like signals in the body. One of the best choices for this technique was titanium. Titanium in the stomach, gut, and blood stream offset the formation of more dangerous metal complexes in the body itself.

The technique prevents destructive fluoride-metal complexes from forming and keeps the dangerous G-protein binding sites from being blocked. These get blocked in the long term due to the fluorine atom's high eletronegativity. This has the capacity to help countries like China, India, and the East African Rift zone avoid the crippling effects of fluorides and also to turn the tide against HIV infection rates.

The G-protein sites of cells are highly used in 60 percent of pharmacological medicine, and it is this basis that gave "air pharmacology" its name. It is this effect that also causes the fluoride- metal complexes to have so much damage potential.

My idea looked at the air pathway for the toxic's, and then placed a counter emission into the same air pathway. This came from looking at how! the nuclear plant's emissions often offset another more toxic effect.

The titanium dioxide technique is also used around nuke weapons labs with Sr-90 contamination, as this bounds up the isotope and made it less soluble in the environment and kept it from spreading

The massive deployments of the titanium techniques to mediate fluoride toxic effects demonstrates human experimentation on a global scale and the desperation of the corrupted fluoride industries to cover up the health harm they have caused the entire planet.

Titanium is distributed widely in the air of the US by spraying

changing man's effects on the weather and damage from storm intensities. The knowledge of the Earth's potential gradient shows us how this charge effect sets up the collection methods that form storms. It also shows us that if we can lower this potential gradient we can lower the number of storms and the severity of the ones that do form. The method to change the potential gradient is to make the air more conductive and this is done using the photoelectric effect from metals. Barium is one such metal with a low work function that will emit electrons into the air and make conductive ion effects in the lower atmosphere. This effect lowers the potential gradient.

The issues with UV-b triggering cancers is more one of fluorides in the environment affecting immune system tolerance and performance. The health problems connected to the ozone hole is more one with humans affected by fluoride, as well as in the upper atmosphere.

Unfortunately, all these special chemtrail methods were designed to conceal this effect on health

The East African Rift zone was the source of the Black Plague bacteria,
The volcanic pollutants entered the rodent food chain, through things like the bones they chew that concentrate the fluorides and metals. The rodents with damaged immune systems in Europe then became the breeding ground for the bacteria, just like regions in the African Rift zone

***Here the problem is the titanium techniques cannot be vectored into bird populations as well as into grass eating animals. The HF pollutants from coal burning damage the bird's immunity and the chemtrail techniques don't work well. The West Nile Virus can infect a certain number of humans and animals with weak immunity from the G- protein damages to immune cells. Those with severe immune damage will die.

The methods and techniques for chemtrails are ripe for abuse by the Mil / Ind Network. Chemtrails titanium method provides a strategic advantage against other countries that don't have this technology.

It is these issues that the White House is exploiting to enrich its Mil. / Ind. Network linked industries, while burying the real problems connected with fluoride health effects. The White House's basic direction is toward massive health effects and thinning the world population, while making pharmaceuticals and doctors rich in the process. The ideals for the GOP have become aligned with deception and those linked to dishonest practices.

In Oak Ridge we had workers whose lungs and bodies were loaded with metals, which needed to be removed. One of the experimental techniques to change this was to use synergistic cyanide emission from the local waste air release stacks. These techniques became called "air pharmacology."

*** The issues of air pharmacology were highly driven by the issues of one metals release being protective against another. Here the main issue was that of metals complexing with fluorides in the body. Many studies were done on the protective effects of uranium. Here the basic issue is that uranium could compete against metals like beryllium and aluminum and get a compound that caused less damage via G-proteins. This gave the clues to look for other safer metals that could be put into the food chain to compete against more dangerous fluoride-metal complexes in the environment. The best one was titanium. Titanium in the stomach, gut, blood, and lungs could compete with other metals to complex with fluoride and lessen the damage factor. It also helped in the air via landing on the ground and converting fluoride into a lesser danger. It was also protective against UV-b, so there were lots of positive synergism's for its choice.

*** Chemtrails ultimate ambitions are about human health, UV-b reduction, and removing HF from the atmosphere.

So, we quickly applied the "co-emission" technique to jet planes. Here a fuel additive similar to the lead additive in gasoline would carry a metal that would form a white oxide in the engine burn and correct for the black soot from jet fuels burning. This was the birth of the co-emission [now called chemtrail] idea using jets as global spray cans to offset global warming.

It helped that aluminum compounds burned in air would make a bright white oxide. Basically, in every city with a water treatment plant is the exact same mechanism used in the atmosphere to clean it of acids and pollutants. The Al seeds form a chemically hygroscopic material, while pulling sulfuric acid from the air. This forms aluminum sulfate, or alum, from the reaction in air. The basic single white particles of aluminum oxide idea was about "Rayleigh" type scattering changing to "Mie" scattering with moisture collection. One look at the "getter" material used in vacuum tubes found that barium could be converted by jet fuels burning into barium oxide. Barium oxide absorbs humidity and would gather moisture mass from the air. It was a cloud s! eeding technique and the added mass of the particle would change the scattering to "Mie" type scattering and have the same reflective characteristics as white clouds. This effect would greatly offset global warming. Mie scattering is highly directional and reflects the Sun's energy back into space. Putting such a lite weight system on commercial jet's flying around the globe could well be used to offset the global warming from rising jet effects, CO2, methane, etc. "Dual use" techniques could be used to hide the purpose of the system on the planes. This was the original conceptual idea for what is now called the chemtrail invention. It happened in 1986-87 at ORNL.

In the mid-1980's, the Oak Ridge DOE plant operators and ORNL had found massive health problems linked to hydrogen fluoride emissions from its' plants and coal power providers that was causing problems ranging from health damage to changing the local weather effects. The study of the Oak Ridge DOE and TVA system showed this was becoming a national effect. This is how the major DOE chemtrail operations came into being.

**There are always multiple synergism's in play for all chemtrail techniques.

The aluminum also tends to form with the HF and other acids in the atmosphere to precipitate them and get them out of the air. This effect cuts the damages from storms, but it has some downsides.

The downside on this particular chemtrial method is that is contributes aluminum-fluoride compounds into the air that get into lungs, water, and food. ...Al-F has a dangerous synergistic effect on thyroid hormones and cells due to the G-protein / Gq/11 effect. Experiments using EDTA chelation of aluminum and mercury often show these effects.

This is the main reason the DOE hides what it is doing behind the net equivalent of a Star Wars type national security classification. It hides these mediation experiments due to reactions that environmentalists will sponsor and because it will force changes in power generation and health,

Chemtrail techniques use the highly fluorine reactive calcium valence barium seeded into the atmosphere to react with HF and other acids in air and remove it from suspension due to the added mass of Ba. Barium does not have the high G-protein factors connected to thyroid, as does aluminum. It is the next generation method, past aluminum techniques.

Other chemtrail experiments use virus and bacteria seeded into the air to induce more beneficial cytokine effects in populations.

*** HAARP's main experiment is to look at inducing mechanical standing wave patterns in the Earth's crust. These low frequency, 2-5 Hz, waves are similar to the natural resonance ones felt in earthquakes. HAARP tunes to these natural resonant frequencies and induces them in the crust under the antennas. HAARP modulates the potential gradient and acts much like how an electrostatic speaker works in this mode. HAARP is intended to use the potential gradient to induce physical motion of the Earth's crust at these wavelengths and harmonics thereof to work the tectonic fault areas mechanically. The idea is these standing wave patterns can be made to remove the forces that cause earthquakes and volcanic eruptions via triggering many lesser magnitude ones. This being a way to do damage control from global warming and its expansion effects on the tectonic plate movements. This keeps things like new black plagues from happening. It is one of the ways to mediate the End- Time! s effects. HAARP has direct connection to Noah's Ark volcanic effects.

I was also involved in the "Dark-Star" and "Excalibur" names, both with some Star Wars connectivity. The Dark-Star idea came from my work on hot cell microwave linked robotic systems and that for Excalibur from my high energy physics work in Fusion Energy. This is where the ideas for barium-titanium-ferrite chemtrails to tap microwaves paths originated.


***Everyone needs to remember that Oak Ridge was the location of the world's largest industrial building [The K-25 building] and the world's largest coal steam plant [The S-50 process steam plant] for a very long time. The systems were powered by the largest federal utility, TVA, using mainly coal. The uranium enrichment operations used more power than that required for New York City. This with the plants own process emissions made the Oak Ridge area one of the early highly toxic exposed populations. Oak Ridge was the area with the highest density of power usage and generation in the entire world. It also stored the worlds supply of mercury and uranium, and stored and lost huge amounts of fluorine. What was seen happening in Oak Ridge was to be the harbinger of what was to affect the entire country in time

It would particularly get right down to the aluminum-fluoride synergism on the Gq/11 proteins and T-3 hormone effects on health. There is a similar synergism with fluoride and mercury, which might also be found. Beryllium and Fluorine have one of the most serious Gq/11 effects

In the AMA system, the entire art of pharmacology is about how to add one more toxic effect to mitigate another from industry or environment.

Simply put it is how to add one more pollutant that has some positive synergistic effect against another. "Air Pharmacology" was an idea begging to be discovered and I happened to find it in looking at weapons plants worker health effects.

Same basic deal with chemtrails, they make money from keeping the essential problem not disclosed to the public. Air Pharmacology does the same thing. Chemtrials are just another pill----another Band-Aid. The causes for illness and the bad weather is all pollutants. These pollutant effects have come on slowly, so many don't notice. But the root issue is pollutants, led in first place by fluorides.

In Oak Ridge, there was the issue of how one nuclear plant's toxic emissions did not do as much worker health damage as the other and looking at the plants other emissions yielded some ideas. One plant was high in cyanide compound emissions and this looked like the very same basic effect as seen used in the laetrile treatments for cancer. It is also connected to the Vit. B-17 effect.

***Aluminum methods were dangerous to health, as there is a dangerous synergism for aluminum, which will tend to pull the HF out of the air. Al-F is connected to thyroid hormone damage via Gq/11 proteins.

*** The basic chemtrail technique for jet engine burns making reflective oxides is simple, but concealed. The jet engine chemtrail techniques use fuel mixer techniques of materials like the Ethyl Corp. lead additive for fuels. The Al or Ti compounds are stored in the grey water compartment and injected into the fuel lines at altitude. These were installed by a secret program called "Project Cloverleaf."

The basic goal is to do experiments to cut the magnitude of the Earth potential gradient, which will directly affect these storm and damage factors and allow industry to pollute even more. It is also about concealing the issues of how badly our health is being damaged and to continue the AMA and pharmacy trends. In the process, this will also help balance the Social Security process, as peoples life-span won't grow, and many will die sooner from all the particulate in the air.





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Posted: Jun 8 2004, 11:28 PM
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I emailed the author of the chemtrails overview,
Mr. Jim Phelps,and asked several questions regarding the text.
One may have to reread the concised edition of the overview I posted in the last post to follow some of the answers.
I must say, this fellow is an absolute hero for taking the time to answer many of the questions , And my great appreciation can only be shown by posting his replies for everyone to ascertain , and learn with.

J Phelps:
" The protective effect happened when other metals were put into solution in the body or air that compete for the fluoride-metal complex, so that it can reduce the damage factor. The big three metal dangers in Oak Ridge are aluminum, beryllium, and mercury; each forming G-protein like signals in the body. One of the best choices for this technique was titanium.
**Titanium in the stomach, gut, and blood stream offset the formation of more dangerous metal complexes in the body itself."

Vianova:
The titanium bonds with the fluorides, as a primary metal that has a far
greater bonding capacity than Al,Be, and Hg?
{compete for the fluoride-metal complex}?
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J Phelps:
Fluorine is the most electronegative of the atoms,
and it sets what other atoms to which it associates.
It has high affinity toward the metals and their
free electrons.

So, the fluorine atoms tend to set up their own selection of the atoms they will adhere.
The metals are the top of the list for the spontaneous fluorine atom attraction. Fluorine is rather special in this regard and when fluoride solutions are put into even glass beakers, they will strip off some of the
silicon atoms from the glass.

The effect tends not to show much preference toward one metal or another, and the final disposition depends entirely on the total of each metal present.

If one wants to change the equilibrium of the F-metal complex, one adds either new metals or higher quanties of metals.

*Titanium is good because it does not form a fluoride compound that interacts
with the cell binding sites.

In the case for titanium, it complexes with the fluorides in the soils, body, blood and takes away complex with other dangerous combinations of metals.
It works strictly by competition for the fluorine atoms.
Lead, mercury,beryllium, aluminum
and lots of others make for the bad combinations because they bind to the G-protein signal sites of cells. Metals like magnesium, zinc, selenium, manganese, silver, gold all are ones that form the safe F-metal combinations and often aid in the removal of fluorides from the body.

The whole mess depends on the critical bond angles of the atoms in the molecules and if they can attach to the cell binding sites. One article below
speaks to the effect using F-Al complex.

Drug companies use G-protein cell coupling extensively----
the problem with fluoride
is that it sets up these same drug type actions with just its spontaneous combinations with the metals.

Titanium is cheep---so it was a good pick for air distribution."
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Vianova:
Then it is excreted as fecal or urinary components?
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J Phelps:
"Both and even sweat."

Here is an article from one of the leading Fluoride effects periodicals that
speaks to some of the F-metal complex and the mimic of G-protein.


Fluoride 2002; 35(4):244
XXVth ISFR Conference Abstract

Fluoride and aluminum: messengers of false information

Struneck‡ A.

Charles Univ. Prague, Faculty of Sciences, Dept. of Physiology and
Developmental Biology, Vinicna 7, 128 00 Prague 2, Czech Republic. E-mail:
strun@natur.cuni.cz

Intensive laboratory research on the mechanisms of signal transduction has
produced experimental data that could change our understanding of the action of
fluoride at the cellular level. After reflecting on these laboratory studies,
we suggest that some of pathological changes are not produced by fluoride
alone but by the synergistic action of fluoride and aluminum.

Heterotrimeric G-proteins mediate the transfer of information from heptahelical receptors to
effector molecules. The discovery of aluminofluoride complexes (AlFx) as a new
class of phosphate analogues has been followed by demonstrations of their
usefulness in laboratory investigations and their pharmacological efficacy.
AlFx complexes interact with all known G-protein-activated effector enzymes. G-proteins take part in an enormous variety of biological signaling systems, helping
control almost all important life processes. The family of cell-surface receptors
that require coupling to G-protein transducers for functional signaling is vast and diverse.
AlFx may clone or potentiate the action of numerous
extracellular signals. It appears probable that we will not find any physiological process which is not potentially influenced by AlFx.
The aluminofluoride complex
acts as the first messenger triggering processes of neurotransmission and
potentiating the action of various hormones. It is evident that AlFx are species that convey false information, which is then amplified by processes of signal transmission.
Many human diseases have their origin in the malfunctioning of signaling components.
Pharmacologists estimate
that up to 60% of all medicines used
today exert their effects through a G-protein signaling pathway. The synergistic action of fluoride and aluminum in the environment, water, and food can
thus evoke multiple pathological symptoms.
AlFx might induce alterations in
homeostasis, metabolism, growth, and differentiation in living organisms. An awareness of the health risks of this new ecotoxicological phenomenon, an increasing load of aluminum ions and fluoride, would undoubtedly contribute
significantly to reducing the risk of a decrease in intelligence of children and adults,
and many other disorders in the 21 st century.

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Vianova:
Does the Fluoride HAVE to bond with a metal to block the G-protein sites?
Or can it by itself? >>
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J Phelps:
Has to be bonded to bind to the cell site.
It is chemical compound bond angle dependent.
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Vianova:
The east african Rift is the source of all the flouride contamination you
talk about in Africa? >>
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J Phelps:
Not all in the world. It is a major source of the pollution in East African countries that have the high rates of HIV infection.

HIV infection is highly determined by manganese. Manganese stops the transcription of HIV.
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J Phelps:
"My idea looked at the air pathway for the toxic's, and then placed a counter emission into the same air pathway. This came from looking at how the nuclear plant's emissions often offset another more toxic effect."
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Vianova:
What is the limit of cumulative "counter emissions" before the whole thing
is just a non ending dust cloud? >>
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J Phelps:
Good question. I do think we know when the coal emissions begin to cause health problems these days.

I don't think there is a good handle on when the chemtrail methods cause more harm than good.

We are all the guinea pigs in the quest for that answer.
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J Phelps:
"Here the problem is the titanium techniques cannot be vectored into bird populations as well as into grass eating animals. The HF pollutants from coal burning damage the bird's immunity and the chemtrail techniques don't work well. The West Nile Virus can infect a certain number of humans and animals with weak immunity from the G- protein damages to immune cells. Those with severe immune damage will die."

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Vianova:
I read about bird dieoffs over western China , described as
10000 high altitude migrating birds dropping out of the sky
dead.
HF pollutants? >>
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J Phelps:
Could well be. China has a big coal fluoride emission problem. Lots of the Chinese get fluorosis from cooking and heating with coal.

Coal burning emits lots of HF.

The Rocky Flats plutonium factory in Colorado had an HF shed that leaked lots of HF vapors
when they opened the doors to the unit and the operators said the birds would literally fall out of the sky when they opened the doors and let
the HF into the air.
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J Phelps:
"In Oak Ridge we had workers whose lungs and bodies were loaded with
metals, which needed to be removed. One of the experimental techniques to change this was to use synergistic cyanide emission from the local waste air release stacks.
These techniques became called "air pharmacology."

Vianova:
Relates to the B-17?
How did the cyanide work against the fluoride? >>
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J Phelps:
B-17 is a cyanide based vitamin and some claim a cure for cancer.

CN- radicals bond with metals and render them soluble, so they can be removed.

Oak Ridge dumped all kinds of metals dusts into the air----uranium, nickel, beryllium and so on. The cyanide radicals help to remove these metals in
areas of the lungs.

So, the CN- techniques help to lower the concentrations of the metals in the body and to lower the number of F-metal complexes that can form.
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J Phelps:
"The downside on this particular chemtrial method is that is contributes aluminum-fluoride compounds into the air that get into lungs, water, and food. ...Al-F has a dangerous synergistic effect on thyroid hormones and cells due to the G-protein / Gq/11 effect. Experiments using EDTA chelation of aluminum and mercury often show these effects."

This is the main reason the DOE hides what it is doing behind the net equivalent of a Star Wars type national security classification."
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Vianova:
So Dr.P.'s nuclear breeder reactors can be built..?.
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J Phelps:
Breeder reactors can be built and this is the technique that France bases most of its power generation.

Certainly, a large number of the national lab types and the nuclear industry are going to be using this environmental mess as an excuse to push the US
toward more nuclear power.

I tend to think that cold fusion methods will the the better of the nuclear based choices in the long run. With lots of green power methods too. Even coal plants can be run with fluoride scrubber systems to take down the HF
emissions and other acids.
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Vianova:
Everyone is starting to wake up.
I was fishing in North Central Wa , at lake Sidley, at 4000 feet , watching the Whidbey Air base jets do maneuvers over the Aeneas valley ,
and lay out about 200 "cornrows" of high altitude trails over an afternoon.
I have some pictures .
But in any case , I stopped and asked an oldtimer , how the fishing was, and he just out of almost nowhere started talking about the jet trails that are getting everyone pissed off in the Aeneas valley.
Blew my mind. >>
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J Phelps:
I don't like what it does to the sky either. We get days like this here in Tennessee and it is depressing.

I like the clean blue skies best.

Chemtrails were only supposed to be a short term help, but the huge monetrary powers and national security types have decided to take the public hostage.

Freedom disappeared a little more with the secret
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Vianova:
The jet engine chemtrail techniques use fuel mixer techniques of materials
like the Ethyl Corp. lead additive for fuels. T >>
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Keep in mind that the DuPont company owns the Ethyl Corp. DuPont caused
this huge Fluoride problems with the inventions of Freon and other fluorine
compounds.

So, they have a lot to loose.

DuPont is also protected by th ----did not transfer in email...
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Vianova:
Its starting to make sense to me ,I went out with a toxicologist,
that said basically the same things, that the sewage sludge used on farms as fertlizer{biosolids}
was so inundated with fluoride, and that then bonded
with all the heavy metals, and then ground water with septic tank detergents surfactants carried the metals and fluorides to other locations ...
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J Phelps:
Yes-----very good. This is the typical affinity of the highly
electonegative fluorine atom. Even when bonded in other compounds, when fluorine atoms
get near a metal they will bind and spontaneously make F-metal compounds.

Lots of them are soluble and will change the mobility of the toxic metals.
This heavy metal effects with sewage sludge one prime example.
In farming, some of this raises the uptake into plants and the human food chain.

Perhaps this toxicologist pal is a good avenue to learn more for you. Just look at the methods of action of fluoride as a pesticide. It kills bugs by altering the metal metabolism of cells. If you live near a good research library at a university or such, you can likely read in depth on that effect.

Fluorides pesticides are used on many crops---like grapes and other veggies.
Phosphate fertilizers have fluorides-----they only cook off the fluoride in the phosphate deposites to a certain level. Lots of the fertilizers are loaded with metals. It makes plants grow faster----but is not good for humans and animals.

Fluoride acts on multiple destructive pathways. It has effects starting well below 1 ppm in water supplies. Most people in the US today are getting fluoride from multiple sources that adds up to well over 8 ppm equilavelent in
water.

Fluoride upsets the immune protection cells, screws up the thyroid, affects cell mitochondria, upsets the G-protein systems, alters essential trace metals in the body, and enzymes.
It is the main problem we have today and the one
item most wanted to be hidden by the 100 or so industries that use fluorides in their processes.


Thus, comes the secrecy for chemtrails and the need to use these mitigation techniques.

BUT, there are many problems and the chemtrail kind of things need to be done
well in the open, and not under Govt imposed secrecy.

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J Phelps:
"It would particularly get right down to the aluminum-fluoride synergism on the Gq/11 proteins and T-3 hormone effects on health. There is a similar synergism with fluoride and mercury, which might also be found. Beryllium and Fluorine have one of the most serious Gq/11 effects"

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Vianova:
Fescue grasses eaten by deer are contaminated with mercury, and suspect in deer wasting.Noone figured fluoride airborne depostional contaminants to be a
synergist...
In farm toxics studies of the fluoride from sewage sludge , it was found that 6 months later , almost 50-75 % of the fluorine was gone to air evaporatiion

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J Phelps:
Very good------this is one of the prime reasons for the Ti in the air from jet planes. Offsets these type effects in animals.

The fluoride in the sludge is likely going down due to change in solubility, rather than evaporation.
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J Phelps:
"In the AMA system, the entire art of pharmacology is about how to add one more toxic effect to mitigate another from industry or environment. "

Vianova:
The big question, is how much cumulative mitigational toxic effect can be
tolerated by the human system? over time?
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J Phelps:
Not working too well from many persons points of view:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.
20040603.wxhpicard03/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/ \


Thats the summary of email text.
There were many important questions that I posed, that he did not answer, but all in all, the response was an unexpected surprise, and a fabulous effort to inform us of his viewpoints with scientific expertise, and a valiant service to people that want to learn more, by exercising his time to even answer these questions..

Thank you Jim Phelps.



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Excellent reading.

Since you're talking about Dr. P,......hehe. As part of my fascination with the disinfo psyop community, I profile the Dr. P psyop, as well as others. (Kinda of a hobby.)

Dr. P. may only be a facade, in fact. He mostly reproaches and belittles. He takes time from his busy day for enjoyment to see how dimwitted everyone is, and does us all the favor of insulting the dimwits he determines as dimwits. Freethinking is his sign that someone is dimwitted. How is it possible to achieve a Ph.D and be so close minded? I don't think it is possible to be as closeminded as DP and achieve A Ph.D. That's why it's pretty clear he's a shill/stooge. How many technical discussions has he been part of? Evenso, how do you know it's him? Is he really real, or a front of some personal info that may be, or not, a real person? Ever read, "The man who never was"?

If Dr. P. calls anyone a negative, that in itself, is validation of "on the right track".
Dr. p is a shill/stooge. It's so blatant, it hurts to read his unimaginative disinfo drooling.


Just in case Jim Phelps stops in on this thread, a short accurate summary of the Dr. P. persona, Ph.D Astrophysicist (Who did attended and worked for Univ of Tenn [UTK]} working for Nasa at Birmingham, Al. Perhaps Jim knows Dr. P.? INTERESTING.




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Posted: Jun 9 2004, 07:57 AM
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Hello Survivalist,
Mr. Phelps may indeed know Dr.P.
as they are both from U Tenn, and live very near eachother.
However Dr.P. is very contrary to any of these claims or the concept of chemtrails,or of the fluoride-metals
immunocompromisation of body organs and tissues, and the use of Tio2,
air pharmacologically,
as a competitor to bond with the fluorides and alleviate the excess bonding of fluoride to the more aggresively harmful metals ,
particularly Aluminum, and mercury.

As far as Dr.P. is concerned ,
I exposed him in the GLP thread from the archives , if it is still there, a long but great read,
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/aite...chstring=Dr%20P.

titled Dr.P. "Portrait of a Debunker" by CoL
His complete resume can be found there.
Dr.P. will not answer questions regarding his 5 years working for the military and CALSPAN at Ft. Arnold.
I am convinced that he is responsible for the design or at least propulsion dynamics of missile sysytems that carry nuclear payloads.
he is an unholy knowledge of nuclear and all weapon impact phenomena.

He is Conley Powell,
narcissistic egoswamp of braggadocio,
of NASA/JPL fame, who worked with Harrington, Van Flandern etc,
whose name appears in the SETI directory of scientists,
who identified erroneously, Planet X in the 80s from faulty IRAs data.
On GLP,
Who claims that nuclear breeder reactors are the "salvation of mankind",
However,
he may be several people at times posting, particularly Duncan Kunz will use his name in simple derogatory replies,
however after severe observational effort to deduce when and where the real Dr.P. show up and talks, and via challenges to make him use his physics expertise, I do see a pattern of the true Dr.P. actually responding.
Here are some Dr.P. works...

http://scientium.com/diagon_alley/commenta...hip/rockets.htm

Starship Designs
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* Conley Powell, "System Optimisation for the Ram-Augmented Interstellar Rocket," JBIS vol 29, p 136-142.
* Conley Powell, "The Effect of Subsystem Inefficiencies upon the Performance of the Ram-Augmented Interstellar Rocket," JBIS vol 29, p 786-794.


Mr.Phelps had a comment on nuclear energy and , I had him look at the thread
Car Ran on Water.on GLP

"I took a look at this thread and not well impressed with the car ran on water thing.

If they wanna talk Sterling Engines----then maybe.

If one really wants Engines that use water----then look at Deuterium water
using cold fusion methods.

Breeder reactors can be built and this is the technique that France bases most of its power generation.

Certainly, a large number of the national lab types and the nuclear industry
are going to be using this environmental mess as an excuse to push the US
toward more nuclear power.

I tend to think that cold fusion methods will the the better of the nuclear based choices in the long run. With lots of green power methods too. Even coal plants can be run with fluoride scrubber systems to take down the HF
emissions and other acids."

I will now post Mr Phelps VERY interesting expose on DuPont.



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Posted: Jun 9 2004, 08:07 AM
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Vianova, LMAO! Yes, I remember those threads well, lol. I can't remember laughing so hard, and having SO MUCH FUN at his expense. I love those days. laugh.gif


The stooge brings it on hisself. You can't expect anyone to be proud and arrogant in their closemindedness unless it's an act, and part of the job. Really!




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Posted: Jun 9 2004, 08:33 AM
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They are chemtrailing the hell out of us here in Cleveland/Chattanooga/Dayton/Athens,Tn/Dalton/Ringold/Chickamauga/ Rossville, Ga area, today.
There's lot's of scattered showers and ample cloud cover. When the clouds part and allow a clear patch of sky, I can see many chemtrails above the cloud cover. Busy, busy, busy.




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Posted: Jun 10 2004, 01:48 PM
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Survivalist says,
"There's lot's of scattered showers and ample cloud cover. When the clouds part and allow a clear patch of sky I can see many chemtrails above the cloud cover. Busy, busy, busy."

This happens here as well.
The clouds part , sometimes quickly , and up above are the jet travel vectors to vancouver BC, full of paralleled chemtrails.
Once, when the clouds abrubtly parted, I saw ALL the trails literally stretch and "waterfall" downwards , dramatically fast into the remaining cloudbanks., or past them in clearer sections of sky , and then restabilize at a lower altitude with some dissipational factor, but still forming the long stretched out feathery clouds, that evolved quickly into more cumulus looking clouds..
My assumption is that the metals used in chem trail bonding with fluorine/ides,
then becomes a heavier layer of condensates that once massive enough , precipitates downwards eventually , or is incorporated into lower cloud banks, and then rained to the surface.
I think what is happening is that the chemtrail clouds form an additional layer above existing cumulus cloud banks , actually keeping them more intact from solar haet dissipation via evaporations.

On days of NO clouds , then the abrupt inclusion of multiple chemtrails, those chemtrails spread and become the thin clouds, and ALL those are chemtrail formed clouds, not one is a natural formation.

The cooling effect WORKS as sun shielding.

You can feel it, especially as the late afternoon approaches and the trails have spread into a uniform haze or blanket effect of high altitude cirrustype clouds in large numbers.
I assume that this is to mitigate the superstorm effects of pollutant buildups causing the interaction of rising hot air and cold air masses converging and the subsequent big storms.
the cooling effect of the chemtrails balances the temperature gradients out.


You know it is odd.Just a few days ago , on a warm clearer day here 45 miles south Of Vancouver BC,
Bellingham Wa , the chemtrails were out in full force for 2 days.
The GLP thread was posted by a Vancouverite screaming about this inundation.
a day later , in the exact same weather , it stopped.

Very few since.

The inconsistencies are too apparent.

Phelps seems to indicate that the amounts of metals needed to produce the clouds and trails, or mitigating "air pharmacology" is not that much in mass of substance deployed.
I also believe that a few days of chem trailing will produce steady but stable cooler,but wetter weather, over wide areas, and that global spread of the hazes is not hard to accomplish.
In the Aeneas valley 'Okanagon county, the Whidbey air force jets will make a serries of 100-200 runs, produce "cornrows " of multiple trails, and just hour or so later, the region most closely affected is under mild rainstorms, and medium force at best winds.


When the clouds part these days, the Suns heat REALLY becomes apparent.
sometimes a 20degree difference is experienced in a half an hour.




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Posted: Jun 10 2004, 01:59 PM
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I have also noticed that as we experience a heat wave, the chemtrailing campaign comes out in full force here in So Calif.

Lately, we've had some sort of haze covering the valley, temps are lower, not many clouds and no chemtrails for weeks here.


What really gets me is if this is a weather engineering program and it is not harmful, then why is the govt not coming clean on it? I have contacted my Congressman who had no comment. Many others have written Senators and environmental orgs to no avail.


Why are we being subjected to this bombardment of chemicals with no explanation?




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Posted: Jun 10 2004, 04:28 PM
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follow up emails from J Phelps

A question on mad cow disease to Phelps in relation to G-protein blocking

First the article:

"In the 1960s, Thomas Brock (University of Wisconsin/Madison professor) was taking samples of thermophilic (heat tolerant) bacteria in Yellowstone
National Park geyser pools, when he discovered a stable, highly heat-resistant thermophile he named T. Aquaticus.

This organism survived in the near boiling temperatures at the mouth of the geysers, and exhibited unique enzymatic properties that were later determined to be invaluable to several industries, including Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR), or the artificial, accelerated production of DNA from
a source. This is used to culture specimens in laboratory research, allowing observation of accelerated life cycles of organisms for analysis. Another use was to convert corn and grains (using their rapid enzymatic and high
temperature reactions), to fructose, allowing the development of a billion dollar sweetener industry for foods such as carbonated soft drinks. Many
food industries depend on this highly economical source of sucrose fructose in their production.

Thermophiles have several distinct characteristics that should be noted here. They are an ancient class of protein called Archaea, which are thought to be one of the first lifeforms on this planet. They are found in undersea thermal vents ,in high temperature petroleum bearing rock strata, and
possibly in the myriad of bacteria that make decomposition of organic life occur in nature post mortem. These are very stable protein strands, that are able to fold themselves up into impenetrably dense nodules, which then
apparently secrete a metallic shell or casing (this may be part of the metabolic process of the protein, or a protective reaction to environmental conditions). Various thermophiles are able to bind copper, iron, and gold.
The rapid enzymatic process exhibited by thermophiles seems to be connected to the presence of these metals, and accumulations of these trace metals in living tissue would be strongly indicative of the presence of these
thermophilic proteins.

In the manufacturing process for sucrose /fructose, corn is steeped in a solution of thermophilic bacteria, which, through the rapid and high temperature enzymatic reactions, allows the efficient separation of corn into corn syrup -in this case, sucrose and fructose. It is not known if genetically modified organisms are being used.

This product is then refined and used in commercial food applications. The residual material (corn mash, hulls, and enormous concentrations of these thermophiles) are also sold as commercial feed for cattle, poultry, and swine.

The group of prion-related neural diseases (CWD, CJD, Alzheimer's Disease,
Parkinson's disease, et. al.) seem to be related to the release of these thermophiles into the food chain. As it is widely known that these products are used as game feeds (deer bait, etc.) and that rodents and wild animals may have access to these feeds, the possible connection to the current
epidemic of CWD observed in North America may be significant.

The excess iron or metals found in the brain tissue of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and Huntington's disease patients may indicate high concentrations of these thermophiles in the neural tissue of these patients.

Since it has been determined by the scientific community that the prion proteins bind metals (in particular, copper and iron), and since the characteristics of extremophiles and prions are identical, there is very likely a connection between the dissemination of prions in the environment
and their introduction into the food chain via the sucrose /fructose extraction industrial residue that is sold as commercial animal feeds

Hypotheses for the origin and spread of BSE discusses prion related diseases. vectors and widely accepted but erroneous

WMA for a Manufacturer of Corn Syrup and Corn Starch discusses use of enzymatic process residue as animal feed
In hot waters this discusses Dr. Brock's thermophile studies."
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any ideas on how the fluoride -metals complex and the G-protein blocking
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Yes-----the fluoride and metals activate the Th-1 mode of the immune system and raise these cytokine levels, example TNFa. This increases the permeability of the BBB to allow transport of metals into the brain.

Mad cow is associated with use of pesticides [aka in UK screw-fly] on the backs of the cattle. This raising the cytokine levels. Add into the equation the refeeding of bone meal into the cattle feeds that is laden with both fluorides and metals due to the natural tendency of the bone to concentrate these.

Note: One of the ways to cut the mad cow effects was to stop refeeding bone meal----most important step. Cut the fluoride and metals pathway into cattle.

Then you get the equation that opens up the BBB in the long term and allows the transport of the metals into the brain that then go on to allow the prions to form.

Undersea volcanic vents cause the cause exposures----these will be rich in metals and fluorides.

Related effects in the Yellowstone caldera zones.

You are very very close. I am impressed with the details you have uncovered.

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Yes, it's proven a waste of time to deal with the politicians. Our congressman, Zac Wamp, was PETITIONED to make a formal inquiry of the spraying over our heads. His response was, TESTING and contrails. It was even broadcasted on the local radio stations due to the high concerns. Damn! Those Bastards!!! They do what they want, when they want, with no fear. They are all powerful. mad.gif




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"I have seen reports that lung cancers by cigarette smoke..."

They blame everything on cigarette smoke! That is nothing more than a smokescreen for what they are and have been putting in our air, water, and food.

According to several sources, cancer is a fungus disease, so we must turn to foods and herbs which are antifungal in nature. Here is a list of some foods:

Asparagus: Cooked, 2-3 Tablespoons 2-3 times daily. (For skin cancers, also)
Alfalfa sprouts: Good to stop cancerous growth.
Almonds: They have B17 in them.
Onion: Parboil them and use in salads, etc.
Macadamia nuts: Rich in B17.
Seeds: Flax, chia, sesame, clover.
Grains: Oat groats, barley, buckwheat groats, millet and rye.
Beans: lentiles, mung beans, and chick peas.

Herbs:
The Hoxey Red Clover Formula. There are several other herbs, single and mixed in combo.

Generally, we see flouride as a partner in cancer.

Sodium flouride reduces the effectiveness of lactobacillus acidopholus which forms cariogenic lactic acid, which is needed to manufacture your own interferon, most important to fight cancer. Cottage cheese mixed with raw oils makes your own interferon.

It has been found that manganese reduces the toxic effects of sodium flouride considerably.

Another big help against fluoride poisoning is a tea made from:

Calendula (Marigold)
Dandelion leaves
Elder
Nettle Red root
St. John's wort
Yarrow

I am sure there are many more. There is a tea made from different fruits that was very effective in CURING children of leukemia during WWII. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? A wonderful lady by the name of Hanna Kroeger wrote several books that I have, where she relates many of her own experiences in dealing with diseases and their treatment with natural substances. She died in her 80s a few years ago, but left behind quite a legacy!

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"There is a tea made from different fruits..."

Let me change that to read that there is a juice drink made from a combination of different fruits.

If any want the list, I will be glad to give it. It was used by a doctor in Austria with effective results in curing children of leukemia. Hanna Kroeger worked with that doctor.

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