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Posted by: Mark Apr 24 2004, 09:46 AM
Here are some images in my archives of some mega structures found off the coast of Japan.


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I think this is a different location, but it's an awesome photo.

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Posted by: AceofBase Apr 24 2004, 09:53 AM
I want to go Diving! These things are cool! I wonder what they found inside?

Posted by: Dreamer/akaScully Apr 25 2004, 05:05 PM
Makes you wonder how they got to be where they are. Oceans rising, earthquake. They seems to intact to be anything other than rising oceans to me. though.

Posted by: Mark Jul 1 2004, 05:59 PM
No doubt, the same peoples who built those structures also built the other pyramids around the world or were connected somehow.

And yes Scully, it sure does look like either the land sunk or ocean levels rose.

Here's an excellant website full of more evidence and information about various sunken structures

http://www.s8int.com/water1.html

Posted by: Thessa Oct 9 2004, 04:01 PM
Holy Molly!! This thing is huge!

"YONAGUNI OVERVIEWS

Since underwater pictures have a limited range of visibility, it is difficult to get an overview of the entire monument. The ones that could be found have been collected below, together with maps of the island and its location. Note that there are substantial differences between the different overviews of the monument. The relation between the large scale structure and the detailed pictures is given on the link map page.

A schematic overview of the main monument."

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"This corresponds to the lower left quarter of the monument as depicted above. Most of the pictures are of this part, because it has the most detail, and even here the features are measured in meters. The even larger dimensions elsewhere are difficult to photograph due to the limited range under water. (sketch by Kihachiro Aratake, the discoverer of the monument)"

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"This is a slightly larger overview of the area, with the monument itself outlined in red. Features denoted as Gosintai, Nakagusuku, Minami sinden (South Shrine), and Stadium are not part of the main monument, and are featured on the Other submarine finds page. Iseki Point is the location of the site at Yonaguni, see below."

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http://www.physics.leidenuniv.nl/userwebs/ruud/xternal/index.html?backgrounds/editorial.htm

Details here http://www.physics.leidenuniv.nl/userwebs/ruud/xternal/index.html?backgrounds/editorial.htm

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Posted by: Mark Oct 9 2004, 05:10 PM
Awesome Thessa!
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Posted by: Mark Oct 18 2004, 06:08 PM
Stone Tablet retrieved from the megalith site.

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Posted by: Mark Oct 18 2004, 06:12 PM
Here's some more images of the face. It sort of resembles the giant statues on Easter Island.

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Posted by: BJ1 Oct 18 2004, 06:30 PM
PuPP and Thessa, these pictures are absolutely awesome! Thank you for taking all the time involved in posting them to share with us. smileNew4.gif

PuPP, the two pics you posted under the "rock faces" at 6:12 p.m. won't open. sadoriginal.gif

I just noticed you have some more posted. I hope they open.

BJ

Posted by: Mark Oct 18 2004, 06:40 PM
Hey BJ, they all show now.

I'm having the most difficult time uploading these images.

I have more coming, thanks for the bumps, I want this to go to the next page.

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Posted by: Mark Oct 18 2004, 06:52 PM
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Special Thanks to Thessa for providing the source for these images.

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Posted by: BJ1 Oct 18 2004, 07:23 PM
Excellent job of posting those incredible pics! I have to look them over twice each visit to the thread. It's almost like I was there, they are so likelike. Many thanks for the work that went into sharing all of this with us.

BJ

Posted by: Tex Arcana Oct 18 2004, 07:50 PM
I was fortunate to have encountered photos of Yonaguni at the Hancock forum before I made the discovery of similar megalithic rectangular stonework west of Wapanucka Oklahoma. I have incorporated one of these on my opening page at http://www.anarchaeology.com with myself descending into the structure ot give some sense of proportion, which I think compares to Yonaguni. More photos of this anomaly are in the galleries under "West of Wapanucka". Possibly the Oklahoma sites and the Japanese site are somehow related?

Posted by: Mark Oct 18 2004, 08:11 PM
Hey Tex, I finally visited your website. I see you standing there looking and I can hear you thinking - "Dang that's a big rock"


If you want, I can edit in a couple images into your post above. Some of those stones look like they were fitted together with great precision. Reminds me of the Incan or Mayan walls.

I believe all of the ancient stone monuments were made by the same root races of peoples and have been conquered by the various new arrivals.


Posted by: Tex Arcana Oct 19 2004, 02:20 PM
PuPP by all means edit in any images from my site that are appropriate to the discussion here. That is why I put them on the web in the first place; I want as many people as possible to see what is right here in our own backyard, so to speak. The kind of people who visit here are most likely to have some valuable insights.

Posted by: Mark Oct 19 2004, 04:29 PM
Hey Tex, thanks!

I just had an idea, if you have time, maybe one of these days you can make a thread titled "Wapanucka Oklahoma Monuments" with a Sub title "Anarchaeology.Com" and a little information from your site and I can edit the images into it and you can also get your link posted for more viewing.

Just a thought.

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Posted by: Tex Arcana Oct 19 2004, 04:53 PM
Sounds like a good idea PuPP; it will be "a little information" because that is all that is known about it. There are some cut channels like the one from Yonaguni but I was not able to find them during the last two times I went up there. A number of people who hunt deer there have told me about them and there is an intriguing "house of stone" somewhere near there. The place has changed hands and supposedly the new owners don't want anybody going in there. This may only apply to the old quarry on the opposite side of the creek. At any rate I have access to a "back door" if I'm willing to trek a few miles along the escarpment. I need to do that anyway as the man who owns the gravel pit from whence came the discoid stones came across the valley told me there were "all kinds of strange things along that ridge", had I gone a bit further. That is in the same vicinity of the other stone wheels and vertical shafts. That area is an anomalist's paradise.

Posted by: trista Oct 19 2004, 11:18 PM
Tex, I finally read your website. Very interesting work. I'd like to know how old those go back and it really disheartened me to read that the site was bulldozed off.

I'd also like to say that it's really good to be able to come here. This place is sharing incredible information without spamming and interruptions.

Posted by: Eclectic Spiritualist Oct 20 2004, 03:16 AM
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More photos of this anomaly are in the galleries under "West of Wapanucka".

Do you have a wider shot of http://www.anarchaeology.com/westofwapanucka/photos/1880.jpg photo? It looks like there are three "0"s in the lower right corner.

Posted by: BJ1 Oct 20 2004, 04:11 AM
Has anyone else noticed the strange orbs that look strikingly similar to the orbs posted in "Bizarre Photos", especially in the pics posted by PuPP on 10-18 at 6:49 p.m.? Some of these might be explained, but what of the others? Scroll up on this page and take a look.

BJ

Posted by: Tex Arcana Oct 20 2004, 05:39 AM
Eclectic Spiritualist, I think I have some of the other shots from there; the three zeros follow a one, so I assume they had something to do with the stolen money buried around there. To be quite Frank not to mention Jesse, the James Gang treasures are boring to me compared to the the other ancient mysteries in the area. I have also been told that some of the other markings in the area are Spanish warnings of traps and directions to buried loot. Formerly I placed no credence at all in the Spanish presence there but recently the discovery of a powderhorn from the late 16th century and some admissions by OU historians indicate at least a minimal Spanish presence in the area. Again I have next to no interest in treasure hunting.

Posted by: Sub-Genius Dec 2 2004, 06:02 PM
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Now here's a topic that's always fascinated me.

I was watching a show on the history channel where an archealogist was stating that there is a whole undiscovered world that the modern world has barely touched the service on.

And boy, he got that right.

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Posted by: Parinthian Dec 2 2004, 11:13 PM
Thank you all for those awsome sights and pics. I knew the Japanese underwater area was big but I had no idea they were that huge jawdropper2.gif

Tex I visited your site as well and gladly signed that guestbook. That area where the ownership traded hands...just be careful. If you have any e-mails that you send out I would be happy to be kept up to date on what you discover out there. smileNew4.gif

Posted by: researcher Dec 3 2004, 08:24 AM
holy crap!!

i've seen the reports of these structures (on the net...not in the mainstream..go figure..) but not seen the pics.

they are beautiful and yet soooo mysterious..

i'm with scully on the theory that the oceans rose suddenly as opposed to earthquakes and land sinking, as they look too intact to have survived such..

i'd love to find out what the glyphs on the stone brought back from the sight mean..

please keep us posted Pupp and keep up the good work!

peace

Posted by: Kyra Dec 3 2004, 12:19 PM
I saw these pics not too long after I got online, a couple of years ago. They are just as awe inspiring as the first time I saw them.

Great thread, guys. jam.gif


Tex, you are a handsome man.

The rugged Indiana Jones type, hanging off of those rocks.

Be still my heart.... inlove.gif

I envy you... your profession. When I was a girl and people asked me what I wanted to be, I told them a teacher or an archaeologist, or both. I didn't accomplish either one. I got sidetracked. I do regret it, big time.



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Posted by: Sub-Genius Dec 3 2004, 02:19 PM
More to whet your appetite:

This temple, in Mahabalipuram, India, is said to be one of seven that formerly stood at this site. New finds suggest that there may be some truth to the story that the other temples were destroyed by a flood . (They are believed to be 5,000 years old)

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A joint expedition by the Scientific Exploration Society of the United Kingdom and NIO revealed an extensive series of structures at a depth of five to seven meters. The ruins, consisting of masonry walls, rock-cut structures, stone platforms with steps etc, are probably the remains of six of the seven pagodas built by the Pallava rulers. There is a popular legend among local fishermen that the beautiful city was devastated by floods unleashed by some jealous gods which caused the six pagodas to be submerged. An account by British traveler J Goldingham in 1798 referred to the place as the land of the Seven Pagodas. It was he who also recorded the myth.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EE02Df02.html

A Sample Of What Remains...

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I sometimes wonder if Atlantis was what the ancients called this planet before everything sank into the sea.. or if Scully's right- before the land masses rose.

Now here's a sight one doesn't see very often:


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What do you make of this pyramid not far from Cuba?

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Posted by: Kyra Dec 3 2004, 07:47 PM
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I sometimes wonder if Atlantis was what the ancients called this planet before everything sank into the sea..


Hi S~B, waving.gif

I have read the theory that the earth was at one time called Atlantis. In the same article Atlantis was a one world order. Since history tends to repeat itself, it makes perfect sense. The same scenario is being played out now.


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What do you make of this pyramid not far from Cuba?


It looks like it is still in pretty good shape. At least from our view. Are those windows? It looks like it has windows. Are all sides still standing? Nah, they couldn't be. There is too much light in the water, in the windows. Help! lol I am confused. scratchinghead.gif


Great post and photos, thanks!



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Posted by: Sub-Genius Dec 4 2004, 11:24 AM
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It looks like it is still in pretty good shape. At least from our view. Are those windows? It looks like it has windows. Are all sides still standing? Nah, they couldn't be.


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Not sure what those are... it appears to be a reflection off the stones. (pat answer when scientists/media/ and other debunking types really know but won't tell) Hah hah.

I found that pic on Kent's site once upon a time and somewhere else when the article first appeared. Predictably enough I could only find one article about it.

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Zelitsky commented that the structures, presumably built on dry land before being covered by the sea, could have been sunk by volcanic activity in the area.

In July of 2000, ADC researchers using sonar equipment identified a great platform about 650 meters deep, where symetrically organized stone structures, resembling an urban layout covered in sand, were clearly visible. From above, these structures appeared to be pyramids, roads and buildings


But it's amazing isn't it?

Here's a site with more links:

http://www.abc.se/~m10354/uwa/sunkcity.htm

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Posted by: Tex Arcana Dec 4 2004, 07:39 PM
Parinthian, thanks for dropping by Anarchaeology.com; I don't send out newsletters but I do post updates on the forum section from time to time. You don't have to register to read it or post a question there.

Kyra, you are too kind (blushing); I had the same same ambitions when I was young too. Eventually I realized both, after a fashion. I am a certified teacher but I am an Anarchaeologist rather than an Ordained Minister of Archaeology. auroraborealis.gif

Sub Genius, do you recall where you found the image of the pyramid near Cuba? It is in remarkably good shape; so much so that I assumed it was an artist's conceptual illustration. Even restored pyramids in Mexico are not in that pristine shape. I have seen unexcavated ones in Honduras that were practically indistinguishable from the surrounding jungle and the ocean is if anything a more unforgiving jungle. I am reminded of the sunken pyramid off Belize which Gordon Cooper surveyed for NASA and dated nearly twice as old as the oldest Maya settlements on land. But as I mentioned the limestone blocks which compose most pyramids do not resist the ravages of the millenia well. The edges of the imaged pyramid would be rounded and the sharp profile softened by marine growth and erosion not to mention destruction from the cataclysm which immersed it.

I have followed the Zelitsky/Cuban story avidly since it broke but there is practically nothing since the initial articles. It is certain to me that the Cuban ruins relate to other enigmatic ruins above and below the Carribean/Gulf rim. The hints are turning up in Honduras, Nicaragua and Yucatan but they are reported as unrelated discoveries by the mainstream. miner.gif

Posted by: Mark Dec 4 2004, 08:43 PM
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What do you make of this pyramid not far from Cuba?

It looks like an artists redition.

Like Tex said, it should show wear, rounded corners and marine growth.

I'd love to see what's really below the oceans.

The Japanese Megalith photos are a good sample though. If anyone comes across any more decent underwater structures, please add them to this thread and/or make another for more exposure.

Or post a link and I'll retrieve the images.

Thank you

Posted by: Kyra Dec 4 2004, 09:19 PM
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(pat answer when scientists/media/ and other debunking types really know but won't tell) Hah hah.



LOL! S~G, so true!




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Kyra, you are too kind (blushing)


No, Tex. I wasn't being too kind. If anything, I am too truthfull. I get in a lot of trouble that way. banned.gif Just ask Sax. We are of the "proud to be banned" group for speaking the truth. (giggle) I am just being me. tinkerbellemoticon.gif LOL!


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I am an Anarchaeologist rather than an Ordained Minister of Archaeology.


All the more attraction! And, a teacher TOO! I think I finally found my twin flame! redbowsmiley.gif lol

Sax, I finally found him! (Sax told me I would.) I can now die in peace. angelsmiley.gif

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back to archaeology...

Posted by: Sub-Genius Dec 5 2004, 01:56 AM
Ahhh Tex, you devil, you.

Man! Fixed picture? Touched up? NO way!
I got the picture from the OOPARTS site
Mayhaps an interpretation? :::sighs:::
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I had thought about water erosion and all those other factors but.... but....
Okay I found another article with another picture of model of what seems like the site.

http://www.s8int.com/water1.html
One man's interpretation of Cuba's underwater pyramid located in the Yucatan Channel. This 3D image was created by Dean Clarke of Atlantisite.com after he studied the deep-sea sonar image released to the world.

You guys familar with this one?

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I tried opening the article and getting a close up of the picture on right hand side but couldn't open it.


Mainstream media.... I gave up on those guys ages ago. I get most of my quality info from guys like you


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Posted by: Sub-Genius Dec 5 2004, 03:27 AM
Ohhhh and found it originally at Kent's site and now predictably enough, the links don't work. It just seems like an awful lot of trouble to discard pictures that many scientists publically claim are natural underwater formations.
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http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/atlantis_found.html


Oh and PuPP, more Japan piccies....? looks like you swiped 'em all.

HOWEVER in order to stay on topic lemme offer you folks a perspective of where these locations of Japan are and the area that surround them: whistlingNEW2.gif
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Posted by: Tex Arcana Dec 5 2004, 09:16 AM
I was reluctantly about to agree with Robert Schoch, who is the foremost dissident in the mainstream (degreed) geology crowd, about Yonaguni being slip fault features until I began to read more on Mganthropus. Seralia had mentioned this HE variant on the skulls thread after the Flores Island discovery. The fact that Meganthropus was a tool using omnivore radically altered my perception of the gigantic humanoid from the vegetarian gorilla the mainstream had been pushing for most of the last century. This makes the proportions of Yonaguni much more reasonable. It also makes the parapet steps of the buried walls at Rockwall, Texas more reasonable.

What I see developing is more evidence of a very advanced form of Meganthropus in the Miocene. rotatingskull.gif

Posted by: Wahya Dec 5 2004, 02:12 PM
I cant help but think of H.P. Lovecraft and Cthulhu's sunken city when I see the images of the japanese site.

Lovecraft was writing about "Elder-Gods' (ancient aliens who came to earth, creating the human race and ancient human civilization, and setting themselves up as 'gods'.) back in the 1930s and 1940s.

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This seems to me the most plausible possibility.
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Posted by: Parinthian Dec 5 2004, 05:36 PM
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Parinthian, thanks for dropping by Anarchaeology.com; I don't send out newsletters but I do post updates on the forum section from time to time. You don't have to register to read it or post a question there.


Ok I'lll drop by more often then smileNew4.gif

Posted by: Mark Dec 5 2004, 08:11 PM
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Oh and PuPP, more Japan piccies....? looks like you swiped 'em all.

WHOOPS!
Thessa showed me the site and I just had to grab the all the images in case they disappear. I've seen too many sites go down that had interesting images or info, so I learned to save stuff.

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Sasquatch

Bigfoot

...and he still lives!

That's probably where the hominid root race of the giants comes from.

NFL films
Nefilim

Just mere speculation on my part, pay me no attention.
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Thanks for the images Sub-Genius, much appreciated!


Posted by: Mark Dec 5 2004, 08:22 PM
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This seems to me the most plausible possibility.


Yes, I believe this happened several times by various species to different hairy hominids over many milllenium.

There was gene splicing and the creation of the various human races ocurred.

I think the populations in the area around Japan are the result of one advanced species interbreeding/breeding/genocide programs.

This is merely my theory, I have no evidence.

Cool map, I never got to see that view before.

Amazing how close Korea is to Japan. Taiwan too.
(All sub colonies - IMHO)

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Ya know the sunken ruins outside of Japan, Egypt, India, Cuba, Peru, and elsewhere are SO amazing. These huge buildings and artifacts, stonehenge, the Easter Island monuments, the pyramids, Nazca Lines.... all point to a prior civilization.

But I'm talking to the choir, here. abduct.gif

The giants were the first to enslave us but they also left those incredible monuments.

Who else could have done it since it all happened prior to the invention of the wheel?

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Posted by: Sub-Genius Dec 11 2004, 03:03 PM
Here's a lil something that caught my eye and didn't remember it being posted.
http://www.clearharmony.net/articles/200402/17760.html

Here are a couple of quotes from the site but it discusses other sunkem sites as well.

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At the southern tip of Yonaguni Island in the Ryukyu Islands, approximately half a century ago, divers found ruins of man-made constructions in the ocean. The site included a square-shaped structure covered with coral, a giant platform with edges and corners, as well as streets, stairways, and an arched building. One could say that the ruins resembled an altar in the ancient city. It covered about 200 meters from west to east, and about 140 meters from north to south. Its highest point reached about 26 meters. 


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If one looks from above, there are streets and farmland surrounding the ruins. The largest ruin was 100 meters in length, and 25 meters in height, and was built with giant rocks. According to the UAET of the University of Ryukyu, a computer-generated model showed that the place might have been an altar of a temple, where the ancients gathered and held worship ceremonies. There were two half-circle pillar caves north of the temple. Archaeologists believe them to be a place for bathing prior to a ceremony. There was an arched gate east of the temple where two giant rocks overlapped each other. The top showed rectangular man-made holes in the rocks. Presumably, the rocks were shaped by machines and used as the city’s cornerstones.

In addition, under the ocean, around well-known “Lishenyan” of southeast Yonaguni Island, a statue of a human head several feet tall was uncovered. Facial features could still be clearly discerned. Later, near the giant human head statue, groups of hieroglyphs were found. This indicates the builders of the undersea ruins were a highly advanced civilisation.

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Posted by: Mark Dec 11 2004, 03:55 PM
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The giants were the first to enslave us but they also left those incredible monuments.


I think the offspring of the giants are still with us today.

Over 6 feet tall = Nefilim offspring.

It sure must be nice to play a sport and make multi millions of dollars a year.

Notice that the little people make jack.
Like Gymnastics for example. (my sport)

Nefilim offspring Sports

Golf,
Baseball,
Volleyball,
Basketball,
Football,
Tennis

Also, pay attn to the height of US presidents.
Lincoln was the tallest at 6'4"

JMHO, I have no evidence


P.S. Thanks for the japanese characters image.


Posted by: Nemo Dec 12 2004, 12:41 AM
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Looks like the top one could be a fake?

Posted by: Mark Dec 12 2004, 12:55 AM
Thanks Nemo for clarifying the artists impression of an underwater pyramid.

Tex Arcana and I both concluded that it wasn't real.

I think it's very important that we discern the truth from fiction.

A couple of days ago, I was watching the History channel and low and behold, they have a show on this Japanese sunken megalith at Yonaguni.

Graham Hancock gave some of his theories and thoughts. He's a wise man and I value his opinions very highly.

Robert Schoch (sp), (the geologist who predates the Sphinx to 10,000 BC due to water erosion), was also on the show and he went below the surface to investigate. I missed the end of the show and his findings.

Oh... and Welcome to the Forum!

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Posted by: Nemo Dec 12 2004, 03:51 AM
Thanks for the welcome, it looks like a great forum. waving.gif

I've got some of Graham Hancock's books, including Underworld. I just need to find the time to read them in some more detail.

Posted by: Vianova Jan 6 2005, 10:43 PM
PuPP
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"stone tablet from the megalith site"

could you clarify that with links?

this is from the yonaguni site?

Posted by: Mark Jan 10 2005, 07:13 PM
Hey V, the stone tablet came from the same site as the underwater megalith images.

Sorry if I didn't include a link. Thessa provided the source. I was doing too many things at once when I started this thread.

I always seek to include a source for everything I post.

Lemme check my original post.


EDIT: Yes, the stone tablet came from Yonaguni site, but I cannot find a link for the source image.

Here's some more images below. Hopefully I don't have any duplicates.

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Posted by: Vianova Jan 15 2005, 12:07 AM
Great pictures PuPP
but
I was born in Missouri
The Show Me State
Some people call this condition of "Show Me"
a state of Misery...
Ha!

I do not believe the stone tablet was found there,
and if investigated the claims are a fraud.

The tablet would be irrefutable evidence spawning a gold rush of divers and excavators.
It is a fraud.
Show Me.

Posted by: Mark Jan 15 2005, 12:47 AM
I'd be curious as to what the tablet says.

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I did not retrieve that tablet from underwater myself, but when I saved it to my HD, I named it Yonaguni as it came from the SAME PLACE AS THE UNDERWATER IMAGES.

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The tablet would be irrefutable evidence spawning a gold rush of divers and excavators.

Who's to say that many things that have been pulled up from the ocean or photographed have been kept from us???

Heck 10 years ago, the majority of stuff on my website was unknown to me and many others.

In another thread you demand proof of large amounts of copper wire from Egypt.

Like... if any large spools of wire were discovered, it would be displayed in a museum.

HAHAHAHAHA... that cracks me up.

C'mon, you're smarter than that. That stuff would be highly secret.

We're NOT allowed to know that there were advanced civilizations ahead of us.

And their civilzations and knowledge were destroyed and confiscated, only to be re-introduced to the new hybrids/clones.

Look at modern mans Observatories and then look at Mayan Observatories. See any similarities?

When Egypt was being raped for its antiquities, modern man supposedly couldn't even fly yet.

(But we know that is not true. The pale skinned ones have been here all along)

I'll bet Iraqs museum no longer has those Baghdad batteries either.

I firmly believe that technologies were rediscovered, kept secret, and then re-introduced into modern society.

Just like the Atomic Bomb

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Posted by: Thessa Jan 15 2005, 06:47 AM
Vianova,


I guess the link to the 'Okinawan Rossetta stone' that PuPP posted is this one http://www.altarcheologie.nl/index.html?connections/characters_01.htm or this one
http://www.altarcheologie.nl/index.html?underwater_ruins/yonaguni/tour_temple_of_mu.htm

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This tablet, known as the Okinawa Rosetta Stone, tells a story in ancient symbols. It describes a peaceful ruler and his castle on land, which after the occurrence of a catastrophic event, ended up under the waves.

http://www.templeofmu.com/tour01.html

But I found another one where the symbols are even clearer.
http://www.morien-institute.org/imk5.html


Also check this link http://www.physics.leidenuniv.nl/userwebs/ruud/xternal/index.html?connections/yonaguni_peru.htm to some interesting considerations about the similarities between Yonaguni and others places at Peru, namely Machu Picchu...

Seeing the pictures side by side... I wonder...

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There are a couple more.

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Thessa

Posted by: Tex Arcana Jan 15 2005, 08:37 AM
Great links Thessa! I've added them to my bookmarks. This stone technology made me think of the owl effigy a person brought in for me to photograph. It is carved from a single nodule of limestone and hollowed three quarters of its interior from a quarter sized hole at the bottom. It is not nearly as smoothly finished on the inside so there is no question of any high tech toolwork here; still it does remind me of an old world figurine. The image can be seen in the galleries at www.anarchaeology.com .http://www.anarchaeology.com/caney2/index.html

Posted by: Vianova Jan 15 2005, 08:57 AM
I did not dispute that the megalith may be ruins,
I questioned the stone tablet.

I have very little time as I have to drive to Seattle 90 miles in a freezing rain storm.

I only briefly reviwed Thessas first link

"These characters can also be found on tablets found on Okinawa, the largest of which is called the Rosetta stone of Okinawa."

So , there it is,
the tablet is from Okinawa, not the megalith.


PuPPsays,
"In another thread you demand proof of large amounts of copper wire from Egypt.

Like... if any large spools of wire were discovered, it would be displayed in a museum.

HAHAHAHAHA... that cracks me up.

C'mon, you're smarter than that. That stuff would be highly secret. "


I was aware enough with one glance at that tablet to know it did not come from the megalith site.
As far as wire is concerned,
not ONE strip has been found anywhere attributed to electrical usage, in Egypt or anywhere else including Baghdad, and the Bogusdad battery.
Secondly, it has been very well established and accepted that electroplating was accomplished in Egyptian times , so there is nothing to hide about wires.

"if any large spools of wire were discovered, it would be displayed in a museum."
Bullshit PuPP,
As I said in the other thread , long wire segments of hammered strips were unlikely, but shorter meshes of wire that may be linked together were a possibility.
See the link with the drawings I posted, of the
1.drawing with bulbs showing a cable with intermittent square sections ,
dark and light
2.drawing showing "metal workers" blowing? a similar feature between 2 men.
Might be glass tubing?


Thessas point is much more valid, with the melting down and reusage of copper found in Egypt by later peoples,
however there should be some evidence somewhere.

"... if any large spools of wire were discovered, it would be displayed in a museum."

Once again your idea of wire is all skewed.

DRAWN wire is wound in spools,
DRAWN wire is a post 12th century function, and not used in any quantity in Europe till the renaissance.
Hammered wire was most likely hammered together in small strips and lengths,
one to 3 feet, and longer sections were probably sewn together,
just like metal mesh or metal thread in antique rugs.
Imagine a cable of twisted coiled lengths of hammered wire sections,
virtually sewn or wound together.

Now if I missed something on the megalith and the tablet , someone correct me.



Posted by: Mark Jan 15 2005, 09:07 AM
Hey V, sorry if I had a sarcastic attitude in my post.

Some major stuff came down here at my place last night.

Not good. sadoriginal.gif You may not see me soon.

I apologize if I offended you and you should know that I respect your opinion as you are far more intelligent than I am.

Posted by: Vianova Jan 15 2005, 09:20 AM
http://www.morien-institute.org/imk5.html

this link from Thessan shows the one and only rock ,
in a picture,with a feeble at best
evidence of caligraphic stone evidence.
Also there is NO evidence that it was actually found there,
and untill someone photo documents a stone in the megalith site before extraction,
or is accompanied by witnessed documentation,
it is all sketchy evidence.

My point was,
that if a stone tablet of the magnitude of the Okinawa Rosetta stone
was found at the megalith site,
there would be nonstop archaeological diving going on there.

This is not to say that further evidence will not be found,
on the contrary a better financed expedition would probablty find better evidence,

but to helter skelter attribute Okinawan tablets found on land , when the megalith is miles away under water, is bad representation, and this is what allows the debunkers to trash and burn positive ideas on ancient cultures that are unexplainable.

My purpose is not to be a debunker, but someone has to play a devils advocate to
control errant conjecture gone wild.

There have been many errant gone wild conjectures in this ancient history forum,
some of my own perhaps to a degree, talking about possible caduceus staff attributes to the two snake bulbs,{review the thread and the debunker link},
I try to be careful though.

sorry to disappoint you all, and one of the pinned threads in this section is all wrong,
based on faulty evidence,and should be removed.... as far as I can see or search.






Posted by: Mark Jan 15 2005, 10:49 AM
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one of the pinned threads in this section is all wrong, based on faulty evidence,and should be removed....


Which thread is that?

Surely not this one.

The images are awesome and everyone should see them.

Posted by: Tex Arcana Jan 15 2005, 12:14 PM
OK Vianova since you are in a Missouri Mule frame of mind, here is the url of one of the most thorough skeptics of ancient high technology I ran across back in the days I used to post at Graham Hancock's forum. Frank along with Archae Solenhofen have demolished practically every claim of Ancient High Tech made in the last two centuries (at least to their own satisfaction). You can't make an omelette without breaking a few bulbs. Bon apetit' miner.gif

http://www.doernenburg.alien.de/alternativ/dendera/dend00_e.php

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Posted by: Mark Jan 15 2005, 03:33 PM
Thessa, thanks for the links.

Yes, I think the similarities between Machu Pichu and the Yonaguni monument are something to consider.

Most likely they were built by the same race and after a great war or global catastrophe, the people who built it are long gone and have been gradually replaced by a taller pale skinned race.

(Pale face who speaks with forked tongue and who has played GOD for thousands of years??)

I believe the only thing keeping the shorter earth inhabitants going is their prolific breeding capabilites givin to them by their creator.

There is no need for infertility drugs like the new arrivals use in order to have twins, triplets, quadruplets or septuplets while they try and raise their population numbers and as they gradually slaughter earths inhabitants and interbreed with the survivors.

Also, with Earths smaller inhabitants, there is no need for caesarean section births (ya know, where they slice open the womans belly to extract the nefilim hybrid) because their bodies were built for their own kind.

The new arrivals to Earths surface may need those infertility drugs as well as the stomach births to breed their species when they use the smaller earth humans as their birthing vessels.

Just my theory.

Here's the clearer image of the stone tablet from the link you provided.

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I wonder what it says?

Posted by: Mark Jan 15 2005, 03:45 PM
Just to let ya know, the spiral images are something special.

They mean something... though I do not know what yet.

In the early 1980s I ruined many of my personal art works by uncontrollably drawing spirals all over my drawings.

EX:
user posted image

One of these days I'll scan my art drawings and post them and the spirals I was compelled to draw.


Posted by: Mark Jan 15 2005, 03:50 PM
P.S. I'm not sure if my spirals were clockwise or counter clockwise.

I just made those 2 red spirals with my mouse in MS paint.

Posted by: Tex Arcana Jan 15 2005, 04:26 PM
Those spirals are found all over Megalithic Old Europe, Australia and the Americas. The most frequent interpretation involves the symbolism of the Serpent and the Cosmic Egg which some think involves an actual cometary event. Scara Brae features these spirals conspicuosly.

As far as the Yonaguni photos go, I've changed positions several times on their origin in the last seven years. Right now I favor modified artificial in light of the other dryland evidence. The Okinawa Rosetta Stone would be the most important linguistic artifact we have from that area. Yonaguni is not the only place these monuments are found and prior to "Underworld"s release Hancock stated that more of them were in Okinawa waters.

At any rate, no matter how passionate one is about a certain point of view, a certtain amount of diplomacy should be remembered in the choice of phrasing. I know I have experienced the law of unintended consequences for blurting out the first thing that comes to mind.

The reason I gave Doernenburg's url is because he is the most plausible of the naysayers and unless you have an unshakeable conviction in your ideas, people like him will shake the roots of your confidence in your own judgement. And even when you hold on to your convictions you are forced to concede to a certain degree of irrationality. Frank's one of the reasons i don't worship the Cult of Rational Materialism and Science. Rationality is vastly overrated IMHO. pinkelephant.gif beavisheadbang.gif

Posted by: Vianova Jan 16 2005, 01:42 AM
Tex says,

"The Okinawa Rosetta Stone would be the most important linguistic artifact we have from that area."

Exactly my point.
At first recognition of this artifact , one realizes its incredible importance.
Based on prior faulty supposition that it came from the megalith site ,
I had no choice other than to assume that if it indeed was officially claimed to be from the underwater site,
it had to be a fraud.
To have found this at Yonaguni would have been in the archaeological top ten , and there would be a flotilla of treasure hunters thereafter at the site.
Since this did not happen, it was safe to assume that the stone could not have come from the megalith site.....

I read the entire Doernenburg links.
I agree with a lot, and disagree with a lot.

Attributing it all completely to a barge is a stretch for me.

"a *symbolic sun barge*
a boat in which the sun floated across the sky. All this is written in the texts beside the objects.
Neither is the form of the barge shown in Dendera unusual. In many symbolic barge representations the boat only consists of a string like object which forms a bow and a stern."

Perhaps so,but here is a possibility of coincidence

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/ancient-egyptian-science-alchemy.html

scroll down to the black and white drawing of the 2 bulbs in one direction {of the carvings not photographed} and notice the "sectioned cable",
that is underneath the figures which Doernenburg calls the barge symbolic curve.
Now scroll further down to the metal shop drawing and very similar long sections are being made,
in the bottom center where the 2 workers appear to be blowing into the tube, and applied to a function in the frame to the right , and also represented in the center stele section.

Are they making a barge with metal?
or a "symbolic barge" with a light source...for ritual?

Aside from that

even in the debunk link by Doernenburg he mentions,

that the snake is symbolic of the sun,

"Garn sees one electrode in a flower like object on the small end of the bulb, the other electrode, which emits the light, is represented by the small arms reaching up from the "insulator pillar" into the bulb."

I pointed this out earlier as well, being unusual evidence that is pro-bulb.

"The Garn-lamp is very dim, and that something glows can only be seen in very dark rooms. Not much for a lamp, but nevertheless the construction works..."


My take is that the Egyptians attained a very rudimentary light source that was symbolic and/or complimentary to specific ritual energies and universal lifeforce applications of whatever function being practiced.

caduceus staff style energies is what I reffered to, and the bulb light
represented all that is providencial with solar{snake} emanting universal energies.

The "barge"
mentioned may just be the universal transport of soul by
solar-universal light healing energies...manifested in ritual
with a glowing symbolic light

http://www.spiritmythos.org/holy/HR/caduceus.html

"The serpents represent the yin/yang or dual forces of nature, also arising as two streamings of physical-spiritual energy from the base of the spine, which in Eastern mysticism is called the "Kundalini."

The wings on the Caduceus are symbolic of the liberation of consciousness from the warp and weave of dual systems, once it moves up the staff between the serpents and further, beyond their reach.

The Caduceus additionally represents the DNA helix, which contains the crystalline frequency of all morphogenetic fields. Morphogenetic fields connect all living being through a constant exchange of knowledge in the Language of Light."

or as I pontificated earlier on the other thread..

"infusing certain energies into capacity of soul,
via religious ritual incorporating perhaps some Egyptians beliefs
of universal energy source in tandem with,
earth lines of energy,
baptizing the pregnancy and marriage with unique
infused "gods" solar- electric powers...."

Once again I call these egyptian bulbs and snakes "Caduceus STYLE" energies,
early manifestations of this symbology.

The wall translations

Complete text of the south wall:

Bandeau de la frise:
Resomtus is alive with gloss in the sky (and) lives at the day of the New Year celebration. He lights up in its house in the night of the child in his nest, by donating the light to the country from the birth bricks. The sky is jubilant, the earth is pleased and the God chapels is glad, when he appears in his chamber in his procession barge at his beautiful celebration of the New Year.
The God with his disk has come to see him.
***Nehebkau gives him reputation, and the goddess with her disk,
with godly body, rejuvenates him in his sanctuary.***
Tchnt tpjt jnr (probably the goddess Thoeeris, a birth goddess) is content because of her majesty. She praises Re because of him with praise for his Ka, with wine from schfjt (wine area) and meat bits on the altar before him.
The "land-of-Atum" (= Dendera) is prepared with his most distinguished plan, as Hu and Sia are subordinated to him.
**He may protect the son of Re (empty king cartouche), forever.
Title of the south wall:

Bringing of the amuletts (Pektoral) made of gold.
Speak: To speak words: This is the protection of your majesty for the celebration, in ktmt gold.

Ihi: Words to speak of Ihi, the great, the son of the Hathor, the noble child with shining plait: I please your heart with glories for your person,
**and I drive rage out with spells.

King: The king of upper and lower Egypt (cartouche with the name of Ptolemaeus XII.), the son of Re (cartouche with another name of the same king).
Royal edge line

I came to you, to your place (destroyed section). Beautiful one, whose looks are perfect.
**I have the Amulet of gold (destroyed section) attached with live on the day of the celebration (destroyed section) of your body.

Isis: Words to speak of Isis, the great, the gods mother, lady of jat dj, who stays in Dendera, the beginning with whose arrival the earth began, turquoise skin and lapislazuli like head.

Harsomtus: Words to speak of Harsomtus, the great god who stays in Dendera. Gold, height: 4 hands.
**Made of metal the Day barge, the lotos flower from gold ...

Harsomtus: Words to speak of Harsomtus, the great God, who stays in Dendera, the multicolored-feathered who is on the Serech. Gold. Height: 1 cubit. (the falcon on the relief is meant)

Ihi: Words to speak of Ihi, the great, the son of the Hathor, Re in its shape of the great God, who appears with the diadem as a king of jztj (Egypt)and as a master of the Sed festival,:
**You reign Dendera millionfold from the nhh eternity to the completion of the Djed eternity. Gold. Height: 1 cubit.

Harsomtus: Words to speak of Harsomtus, the great, who stays in Dendera, the living Ba in the Lotus flower of the day barge, whose perfection the two arms of the Djed pillar carry as its seschemw picture, while the Ka's on its knees are with bent arms. Gold. All precious stones, height: 3 hands.

Harsomtus: Words to speak of Harsomtus, the great, who stays in Dendera, who is in the arms of the princes in the night barge, the noble snake, whose chntj statue carries Heh,
***whose crew carries his perfection in holyness, because of whose Ba the appearing (Hathor) in the sky appeared, whose shape is admired by admirers, who comes as unique, enveloped by his head serpents, with numerous names at the point of chw.n=sn (Gods with relationship with the Hathor), the sechm-picture of Re in the "Land-Of-Atum" (= Dendera), the father of the Gods, who created everything. Gold, metal, height: 4 hands.

Isis: Words to speak of Isis, the great, mother of the Gods, lady of jat dj, who stays in Dendera, the queen of the rchjt people, with pointed horns.
Edge line of the Gods

Come in peace, servant of his Lord, as the chw djeser priests are subordinated to you, and you protect my throat with your trusty behavior. I have myself pleased about the freshness of your character. Gold. Height: 1 cubit."

Though Doernenburg sweeps these translations away to his own desires,
which have merit,
his bulb of gold, is symbolic as well, for golden light,
and he continues,
"or at least accept the mention of the New Year celebrations as main theme."
And we know what happens at New Years thruout history- a celebration,
be it the solstice or what have you, often accompanied by ritual and light manifestations.


I still believe that light was produced as a ritual vehicle of symbology in
the Egyptian bulbs.
"the barge " is the Path of Life in Light..?

Once again just "wild conjecture " on MY part

***

Peace and love PuPP,

I had a tough day too,
driving back from Seattle ...90 mles took 4 hours of the worst freezing rain freeways ever imaginable...
Going 50 at an early stage of travel, a car in front of me careened across 3 lanes of freeway in a death defying 360, as I barely missed him, trying not to slam on the brakes as well.
All you see in the out of control
"barge",
was the wide eyes of the faces in total fear of death, disappearing off the freeway.
The freeway was completely stopped for 2 hours at times.
Wrecks absolutely everywhere.

My "barge"
of solar electric Love
made it home though.
My 2 solar snakes-headlights-shined the only safe path of travel,
thru the darkness on the slippery slopes of freeway life and inch thick ice,
Celebrate!
the passage from darkness to light!
The soul lives on in harmony and health !
Happy New Year !

Posted by: Minbari May 3 2005, 06:16 AM
Hey V

Remember I sent some of these Images to you via email back a few years ago as they where sent to me by an anomolous Japanese Lady?

The statue head was found southeast of the megalith city along with glyphs. Also in the video you will note that some of the glyphs have also been located on the surface of some of the rocks where the Yonaguni megalith was discovered.

This structure differers some what from the Machu, in that the terrace faces are flat rock as opposed to concaved to alow for soil fill??

Some of the perfect shapes carved into this rock is unimaginable in todays standards, they must of possesed equipment powerfull enough to melt rock like plastic.

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In addition, under the ocean, around well-known “Lishenyan” of southeast Yonaguni Island, a statue of a human head several feet tall was uncovered. Facial features could still be clearly discerned. Later, near the giant human head statue, groups of hieroglyphs were found. This indicates the builders of the undersea ruins were a highly advanced civilisation.


http://www.clearharmony.net/a_images/2004/02/2004-02-11-2003-6-29-japanundersea3.jpg
(Left) Statue of human head, several feet tall, on southeast Yonaguni Island - Professor Masaaki Kimura provided the picture.

http://www.clearharmony.net/a_images/2004/02/2004-02-11-2003-6-29-japancharacters.jpg
(Right) Groups of hieroglyphs uncovered from the undersea ruins - Professor Masaaki Kimura provided the picture.

Posted by: jafo Jun 15 2005, 11:49 PM
2 universities in japan (forget which ones) claim that the structures have hellenic (greek) id....

maybe the AINOU tribe in northern japan should ask their elders

maybe the hellenic key design found on so many structures/pyramids around the world, especialy south america for example palazio de las grecas in mexico,teotihuakan,chichen itcha would unlock the long witheld common origins of ancient civilazations.

im also told that there is a large pyramid in arizona kept under military control, also the ancient ruins found in the grand canyon have doric and korintian columns.

look for signs of the EL (3E)

so much to mention but better if you look for yourself...........

jafo


Posted by: Tex Arcana Jun 30 2005, 01:53 PM
Jafe, I like to hear more details on the Arizona pyramid, even anedotal ones. There are hill fortresses just below the Arizona border in Mexico and evidence of MesoAmerican connections with Chaco Canyon in more recent times. I've recently been sent photos of a semicircular formation with a concentric trench cut into it, from Central Texas. I immediately thought of Chaco Canyon and its semicircular foundations. I've been looking for substantial evidence of a formative MesoAmerican culture in the Southwest but have not found anything conclusive yet though my intuition tells me it is there somewhere. The best I've found are abortive Plains Village stone foundations in Texas and Oklahoma which seem to date to the late Prehistoric. A Hellenic influence at Yonaguni underwater is several millenia too late for a structure inundated at the end of the last glacial maximum. Some of the characters in the link provided do bear a certain resemblence to Old European symbols from the Megalithic though. These resemblences can be very deceiving and I'd be very leery of any claim of direct association. This is also a main problem with MesoAmerican architecture and that of the Old World; the dates just don't come close as in the case of La Venta which was an earth mound in 1000 BC. South America seems to hold much more liklihood; I've never been able to accept the mainstream claims that Tihuanaco and Macchu Picchu are that recent due to the nature of the stonework.

Posted by: jafo Jul 7 2005, 05:16 AM
tex i'm pulling my resources together to get some more info on the arizona pyramid (however laughable), it is rather sensitive since the black ops military has it under total info blackout.

interesting enough one is able to see what we call the signs of the EL as the hellenic letter lamda (Λ) appears all over the roseta stone. also the spiral is found traditionaly a hellenic symbol for the esoteric maze (esocosmos) that each of us has to conquer in order to see the exocosmos the cosmos of the heavens.

i would like to clarify that i am not reffering to the known hellenic culture but to the hidden hellenic culture which spans tens of thousands years back.

please be patient for more

ps the universities i reffered to before are tokyo and hiroshima

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Posted by: ShawnMcCaffrey(nli) Nov 17 2005, 09:10 AM
This is just a thought but of all the UFO landing sites i've seen they are mostly cut out of natural rock. Either that or mountain openings. Somehow it seems better to land their ships on rock or dirt that has been leveled, this is what I see in the pictures on the first page of this thread. If anyone knows of Red Elk you can go to his webpage I beileive it is either RedElk.org or . net one is his forums one is the main page and see pictures he has taken on flat spots carved into mountains on secret military instalations.


Also perhaps the reason for the steps being so large is because the people who used it were proportional? Just a thought. UFO3new.gif

Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 3 2006, 09:26 AM
This may have been linked earlier in this thread but I have not waded through all the pages for a while. Interesting article on the Patagonian giants with historical citations. Could explain the numerous giant skeletons found in North America.
http://www.patagonia-argentina.com/i/content/aborigenes.htm

Posted by: uggliozzi Apr 3 2006, 02:25 PM
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The Tehuelches inhabited from the Colorado River to the Magellanic channels. They were nomads, spoke the Ken group language and were hunters of guanacos and ostriches.


Ostriches? No ostriches in the New World - ostriches in Africa. Maybe he means Rheas.

Cave painting styles and tehcniques in South America match those found in Australia. One of the paintings shows an original inhabitant being leapt upon and killed by one of the later migration. The original inhabitants were pushed further southward until they reached Tierra del Fuego. They made their flight to the islands and were safe because the later migrants did not possess water craft technology. The last two members of the original inhabitants (sisters) are most likely dead now because they were in their eighties about ten years ago.

I suspect that there are many stone age sites as yet unexplored in South America which will yield much information.

As for a tall man. While much of Europe suffered from malnutrition and vitamin deficiencies resulting in short stature, many hunter-gatherer societies had excellent nutrition. Many explorers remarked on the height and manly bearing of native peoples. It may be that this report needs to be regarded as having a little poetic licence and and a lot of awe. IMHO any skeleton under 6.5 feet is just normal human variation.

Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 3 2006, 03:24 PM
I get the impression it was a translation from Spanish and that may account for some inaccuracies such as translating ostrich for rhea. But then I've seen Graham Hancock mention Aztecs in South America and he should know better. Non specialists get a little loose in their terminology as we all do from time to time. In fact, I meant to post that in the giants sections and wasn't paying attention to where I was when I posted it.

Posted by: Mark Apr 24 2006, 01:21 AM
QUOTE
The Morien Institute studies Yonaguni underwater monument

user posted image

http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html


IMO, this is an ancient manmade structure that was built before the ocean levels rose.

In time, many of our current coastlines will be underwater. I wonder what people in the future will think of our ruins.

Posted by: Mark Apr 24 2006, 01:33 AM
QUOTE
Aborigines in Patagonia
Their physical appearance was stout, their average height was 6 ft. 10 in., with a thin and elongated head. They were called Patagones because of their appearance.

http://www.patagonia-argentina.com/i/content/aborigenes.htm


Thanks for the info Tex.

I'll repost this in the GIANTS thread in the future.

Sorry uggliozzi, but I don't buy the diet thing to explain height variations. I believe it is genetic, just like the marshmallow (morbidly obese) people who seem to have invaded Earth and sadly, it is some of us.

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