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In 1993, Congressman Schiff had asked the Government Accounting Office (GAO) to determine if the U.S. Air Force, or any other U.S. government agency, possessed information on the alleged crash and recovery of an extraterrestrial vehicle and its alien occupants near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947.


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The GAO investigation was completed with the July 25, 1995, release of its report entitled Government Records: Results of A Search for Records Concerning the 1947 Crash Near Roswell, New Mexico. Eight months later, Congressman Schiff died on March 25, 1998 at age 51 after a long battle with skin cancer.

After his death, The Washington Post and Associated Press wrote: "Congressman Schiff gained headlines in 1993, reopening a federal investigation into the so-called Roswell Incident, in which extraterrestrial beings were purported to have crashed northwest of Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. Rep. Schiff asked the General Accounting Office, Congress's investigative arm, to seek Air Force documents relating to the incident."


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In June 1997, the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force responded to the General Accounting Office (GAO) inquiry with yet another Roswell Report subtitled, "Case Closed." The Air Force argued that a secret high-tech spy balloon (Project Mogul) crashed, not an alien spacecraft. Further, the Air Force said any reported bodies could be explained as wooden dummies or wounded or dead pilots in government research. All that was a new twist on the U. S. government's previous insistence for nearly half a century that the only thing that came down in July 1947 between Corona and Roswell was a weather balloon. Even the main stream media did some research, reported that wooden dummies weren't dropped out of balloons until the 1950s ­ not 1947 ­ and looked at the USAF's changing explanations with a more suspicious eye.


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FBI Memo, July 8, 1947

The GAO did receive a July 8, 1947, teletype message from the FBI in Dallas to FBI Headquarters in Cincinnati, Ohio, and stated that "an FBI spokesperson confirmed the authenticity of the message."

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July 8, 1947, "URGENT" teletype message from the Dallas, Texas, FBI office
to Director of the FBI and SAC Headquarters in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Released by GAO to Cong. Steven Schiff on July 25, 1995.

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1947 RAAF Outgoing Messages Destroyed Without Authorization

But the Defense Department did not, or would not, provide Cong. Schiff 1947 documents from the Roswell Army Air Field. The excuse was that messages sent from the Roswell base in 1947 had somehow been destroyed without authorization. That DOD reply so angered Cong. Schiff that he held a special press conference to express his frustration.

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Speculated reasons for why the U. S. government has lied and misinformed for more than half a century:

government insiders saw on radar and photographs "peculiar phenomena," advanced aerial devices, that could easily keep pace with our rapidly moving V-2 rocket tests;
government insiders were shocked that an advanced beam technology can lift up and lower animals and people;
government insiders concluded at least one non-human agenda is to harvest genetic material from animals and people transported by that beam technology;
and government insiders learned that the non-human intelligence has, and will, retaliate if attacked.


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Book cover of unpublished manuscript, Peculiar Phenomenon, © 1994 by J. Andrew Kissner, former New Mexico State Representative from Las Cruces, Dona Ana County, New Mexico.

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Andrew Kissner wrote: "At 4:11 p.m., Mountain Standard Time, Thursday, May 15, 1947, above the Tularosa Basin in south central New Mexico, the most highly classified episode in American military history began ­ a series of events, decisions and actions that ultimately resulted in the crash and recovery of at least two, probably three and possibly four, extraterrestrial 'flying discs.' This was accomplished by deliberate antiaircraft artillery fire and/or use of surface-to-air missiles by units of the U. S. Army National Antiaircraft Artillery School at Ft. Bliss, Texas and/or U. S. Army Air Force fighters based at Alamogordo Army Air Field at Alamogordo, New Mexico. The well-publicized 'Roswell' (Corona), New Mexico flying disc was one of these.
 
Historical research suggests, however, something even more controversial than the 'shoot downs.' The U. S. Army's actions either caused, or were a response to, offensive overt acts initiated by flying discs themselves. Even though unproved, it appears that flying discs might have been a contributing factor in the deaths of over six hundred military personnel and civilians in 1947 ­ over a two month period from May 9 to July 31. Whatever flying discs were, or are, they were not, and are not, defenseless. Their 'special weapons' were, and even now are, unconventional. Flying discs were immediately defined by the U. S. military in 1947 as an 'enemy weapons system.'
 
"A T-Force assigned to secure flying disc crash sites and collect debris."


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Dr. Vannevar Bush with glasses shaking hands with first Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal,
after Dr. Bush was sworn in as Chairman of the Research and Development Board on September 30, 1947.
From: The Forrestal Diaries © 1951 edited by Walter Millis.

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Andrew Kissner: "Once collected, discs were processed and analyzed for Dr. Vannevar Bush, Chairman of the JCS's JRDB and Director of OSRD, in cooperation with the Atomic Energy Commission's Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory and its Z Division at Sandia Base. Military support was provided by the Air Material Command and personnel stationed at the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project at Sandia Base, Albuquerque. Further analytical effort was provided by the staff members of the Department of Terrestrial Magnetism (DTM) at the Carnegie Institution in Washington, D. C., and by Dr. Detlev Bronk, Chief, Division of Aviation Medicine, JRDB. Personnel selected from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Brookhaven National Laboratory, the RAND Corporation, the National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics (NACA) and the Rockefeller Institute, appear to have played major roles in the months immediately following the 1947 crashes.
 
"It also appears likely that custody of flying discs was permanently vested in civilian authorities by classified Presidential Executive Order in July 1948. The relevant civilian authority was the Atomic Energy Commission and its national laboratories with participation of the Department of Defense's Air Force Systems Command, the Naval Research Laboratory and the Research and Development Board (RDB) of the Secretary of Defense, established in late July 1947. The Research and Development Board coordinated all scientific inquiry. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff provided military support. The National Security Council (NSC), newly formed in August 1947, served as overall program coordinator.
 
"It should be noted that within these major institutions, the investigations and retrieval operations of 'flying discs' were and are classified in 'compartments' that are very small. It is not the entire institution that has knowledge. Rather it is only specialized components within much larger complexes that have need-to-know access about the non-human presence.
 
"The May 15, 1947, incident has remained a special access, compartmentalized experience for the past 57 years with few, even in the relevant contemporary government, aware of how it all began."


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Page 1, Las Cruces Citizen, Las Cruces, New Mexico, May 22, 1947.

V-2 Rockets Mysteriously Veer Off Course at White Sands Proving Ground

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V-2 rocket, based on German Wasserfall technology, useed by German
scientists in Project Paperclip at White Sands Proving Ground (WSPG), New Mexico, after WWII.

[ Editor's Note: According to the U. S. Naval Laboratory website, "After World War II, parts of almost one hundred German V-2 rockets were brought to the United States. The U.S. Army undertook the task of assembling the rockets at White Sands, New Mexico, for research and experimentation by government agencies and universities. In 1946, the Naval Research Lab was invited to participate in the Army's V-2 rocket program. As an established group ready to carry out upper atmospheric research, the Laboratory became the prime agency for conducting research with the V-2 program and for developing the technology to carry out the missions. Eighty experiments were performed between 1946 and 1951." ]

The V-2 research program moved fairly quickly, with flights scheduled at the White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico. The first static engine test firing of a German V-2 on U.S. soil occurred on March 14, 1946. The missile used for this engine test became the first German V-2 launched in the U.S. on April 16, 1946. The U.S. V-2 series of launches concluded in 1952. Some of the launches employed V-2 missiles equipped with scientific instrumentation designed to study the upper atmosphere. These types of V-2 launches were managed by the V-2 Upper Atmosphere Research Panel, which was established in January, 1947 and evolved into the Upper Atmosphere Rocket Research Panel in March, 1948.

In the history of the V-2 rocket program, an internet archive called Encyclopedia Astronautica states: "1947 May 15 V-2 Flight Launched 16:04 local time. Reached 135.5 km. Carried cosmic and solar radiation, temperature, ionosphere, photo experiments for Naval Research Lab. (V-2) Landed east of the impact zone on the outskirts of Alamogordo, New Mexico."

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The May 16, 1947, edition of the Las Cruces Sun-News reported about that event:


"Lt. Col. Harold R. Turner, White Sands Proving Ground commanding officer, today blamed "peculiar phenomena" for the erratic test flight of a German V-2 rocket which landed only six miles east of Alamogordo yesterday afternoon."
But what actually happened during that May 15, 1947, V-2 rocket launch? State Representative Andrew Kissner says he learned from his confidential sources that the facts remain classified and off limits to public and media to this day.

There is a clue reported in the May 22, 1947, edition of the Las Cruces Citizen in a statement by Lt. Col. Turner, United States Army/Ordnance and Commander of White Sands Proving Ground:

"'Peculiar phenomena' was blamed by Lt. Col. Harold R. Turner, commanding officer of White Sands, for the erratic test flight. The rocket carrying a warhead installed by the Naval Research Laboratory, was spotted at its landing about 55 miles from the launching site where it was fired at 4:09 p.m. A crew was sent out immediately to retrieve rocket body and warhead."

"Peculiar Phenomena"

How was the "peculiar phenomena" described? Andrew Kissner says it was: "A radar target that instantaneously appeared next to the ascending V-2 missile" and immediately the V-2 rocket changed course. Andrew Kissner says his White Sands military officer source saw a photograph of a flying disc taken from a camera aimed through a V-2 rocket window.

What was the "peculiar phenomena" linked to? It was considered the cause for the V-2 rocket at White Sands Proving Ground on May 15, 1947, to "change course, taking a northeasterly track, one that brought the rocket crashing to earth two minutes later only six miles east and slightly north of the community of Alamogordo, New Mexico ­ 40 degrees off the V-2's projected flight path."

New Mexico State Representative Andrew Kissner also wrote after his personal interview with the Army officer at White Sands Proving Ground:

"Whatever had mysteriously appeared and vanished after observing a V-2 in flight in close proximity to the rocket, it apparently affected the rocket's trajectory. That event became an immediate priority within a very small, closed circle of highly ranked general staff officers and civilian scientists assigned to the Joint Research and Development Board (JRDB) of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) under whose authority weapons test ranges were established and operated and chaired by Dr. Vannevar Bush.

"The 'peculiar phenomenon' object was defined as hostile in that it appeared to have affected the V-2 rocket's trajectory. It was by every definition an advanced foreign weapons system. Effort would be expended to guard against further intrusions, and high priority was assigned to collect a specimen of the technology for further analysis, covertly if possible."

That phrase, "High priority assigned to collect a specimen of the technology," meant the creation of covert American government units to bring down the unidentified flying object that could pace ascending V-2 rockets and cause them to veer off course. Those retrieval units operated under Projects Moon Dust and Pounce which were assigned security of air space over White Sands Proving Ground. One of their classified missions was to aggressively bring down the advanced discs for study and potentially back-engineering.


American Military Aggression Against Flying Discs

I was first exposed to the idea that the American government might have aggressively gone after flying discs when I talked with UFO crash retrieval researcher and author, Leonard Stringfield, in the early 1980s. He told me he had personal knowledge about U. S. Air Force orders to shoot down foreign aerial discs at the end of the 1940s. But, he said, "we lost so many of our own airplanes that the order was rescinded in the early 1950s."

Did the United States deliberately use weapons to bring down one or more foreign discs? A 'yes' answer to that question was related to Andy Kissner by a good friend who had previously worked for the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL).

Andrew Kissner: "Back in the mid-1960s (while working at the NRL), he had been taken to a facility somewhere in the state of New Mexico that was underground. There was a warehouse and a flying disc inside the warehouse, inside this bunker. He noted visually and was told verbally by the briefing officer that this was one of several flying discs shot down at Roswell in 1947.

"What he observed and was told is that it was shot down with either 20 or 40 millimeter canon fire and he observed on the flying disc penetrations of the skin and exit holes through the top of the flying disc. He was told it was the product of 20 or 40 millimeter canon fire."
According to history written by the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, "In July 1944, the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance requested Section T of the Office of Scientific Research and Development (OSRD) to study anti-aircraft missiles to counteract the Japanese Ohka piloted bombs and other suicide weapons sent against the U. S. in the Pacific. The requirement was for a missile to shoot down a plane at a range of 20,000 yards at an altitude of 30,000 feet."

Four months later by November 1944, the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance assigned the Applied Physics Laboratory of the Johns Hopkins University in Silver Spring, Maryland, to undertake the development of radar-guided surface-to-air missiles. This project became known as Bumblebee which produced several ramjet-powered missiles which evolved from the 1945 STV to the 1951 Terrier to the 1958 Talos.

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America's First Surface-To-Air Missile Strike Against An Unidentified Radar Object?

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El Paso Times, El Paso, Texas, May 30, 1947.

Andrew Kissner says the truth behind a May 29, 1947, event in which a V-2 launched from White Sands ended up nearly falling on Juarez, Mexico, was America's first test of a surface-to-air missile strike against an unidentified radar object. The morning of May 29th, Lt. Col. Harold R. Turner, Commander of the White Sands Proving Ground, was planning a very secret V-2 rocket launch. But problems kept delaying lift-off.

Andy Kissner wrote:

"At 7:15 p.m. MST, on May 29, 1947, it is believed that at least one Wasserfall surface-to-air missile, complete with a 674-pound high explosive warhead, was fired at one or more radar targets hovering to the southwest of WSPG Launch Row. At approximately 7:20 p.m., at an altitude above 60,000 feet, the proximity fuse on the warhead detonated ten miles north and slightly west of Mt. Franklin.

"The explosion, was witnessed by Major General John L. Homer, Commander of Ft. Bliss from 1946 to 1950. The El Paso Times reported the next day on May 30, 1947, that the first explosion occurred more than ten minutes before a second explosion at least 25 miles further south. General Homer dispatched troops to look for missile wreckage and to investigate the first crash site ten to fifteen miles northwest of Ft. Bliss towards WSPG.

"The surface-to-air missile's mysterious target, possibly crippled by the explosion, continued to fly in airspace north of Ft. Bliss, eventually impacting within one mile of the new Buena Vista Airport only six miles south of downtown Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico, at 7:32 p.m. Local residents described "a blinding flash of light" followed by a tremendous pressure wave and the appearance of a mushroom cloud. The concussion of the blast was sufficient to crack windows six miles north of the crash site, while an electric clock stopped at the El Paso County Sheriff's Office, apparently due to the blast effect.

"Whatever the mysterious radar object had been was not apparent ­ it was totally vaporized by the explosion. Small shreds of 'burned, gray metal fused with molten sand and rock,' were found near a 50 feet by 50 feet by 24-feet-deep crater outside Juarez, Mexico. There was no V-2 rocket body at the bottom of the crater hole ­ nor anything else. (The El Paso Times, May 30, 1947) It was never learned what the security detail dispatched by General Homer found at the site of the first explosion on the west side of the Franklin Mountains east of Anthony, New Mexico ­ twelve minutes before the explosion in Juarez, Mexico.

"An effective cover story was immediately provided to the press that another V-2 launched from White Sands Proving Ground had gone astray, experienced a total gyroscope failure, flew 180 degrees off course and crashed in Mexico.

"The entire Juarez Garrison's rocket recovery efforts resulted in a small pile of debris that fit on top of a desk. There was no explanation why the launched missile vaporized."
That missile, according to Andrew Kissner, was actually a secret surface-to-air rocket attack on one or more unidentified radar targets.

Another mysterious and important visual detail was provided by the editor of the Las Cruces Sun-News who watched the May 29, 1947, launch and said there were two "first magnitude stars" near the missile before it headed down out of the daylight sky to crash.

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Andrew Kissner reports that within 72 hours of the "Juarez Incident," twenty-nine airplanes crashed around the world killing 198 people. The worst disaster was near La Guardia Airport in New York where a United Airlines plane took off, crashed and burned, killing all 38 people aboard. While government Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) investigators were returning from the La Guardia crash, an Eastern Airlines CD-4 went nose down and crashed, killing everyone aboard.

According to an eyewitness of the second crash, "I saw the plane in a steep glide and several gleaming things, like metal, fell away from the plane as it hurtled down." Were those "gleaming things" more of the "unusual phenomena" that appeared on radar along side V-2 rocket launches?

More than one pilot who survived airplane crashes in 1947 said their airplane was at high takeoff speed going down the runway, but there was no lift at all under the wings. (An advanced technology that could neutralize the force of air molecule lift beneath wings?)

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December 10, 2004 St. Louis, Missouri - Since I first posted the 4-part series about "Peculiar Phenomena" at Earthfiles that included former New Mexico Congressman Steve Schiff's frustration with the DOD claim that all 1947 Roswell Army Air Field outgoing records had been destroyed without proper authority, I received this week an e-mail about another famous destruction of military files that might also have included Roswell UFO crash information. The source has worked as an archive technician at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis, Missouri. That's where U. S. military personnel records have been kept since the 1950s.

He has requested anonymity, but here is an excerpt from his email:

"I saw your report on the Peculiar Phenomena on your website. What most attracted my attention was the part where you explain how Cong. Steve Schiff tried to get a GAO Report on the Roswell Incident.

When I started reading the DOD response mentioning the National Personnel Records Center, I was even more intrigued. ...I was assigned to the Records Reconstruction Branch (commonly referred to as Recon). On July 12, 1973, a fire occurred at the Center, destroying or severely damaging close to 17 million military personnel records from pre-WWI to post-Korea. The records primarily involved were all Army records up to 1957; and all Air Force records from the last name of Hubbard to Z, up to 1963. As you know, in July 1947, the Army Air Force and Army Air Corps combined into what is today known as the U. S. Air Force."
He agreed to talk on the record, but anonymously, about the July 12, 1973, fire at the National Personnel Record Center in St. Louis.

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Interview:

Former Archive Technician, National Personnel Record Center (NPRC), St. Louis, Missouri: "The fire that occurred on July 12, 1973, that destroyed so many records ­ it destroyed around 16 to 17 million records. These records comprised Army and Air Force records from 1898 around the Spanish American War to 1963 for Air Force and 1957 for Army.

The problem that has occurred since the fire is when we've had veterans come in, there is no way to truly answer a request. We have bits and pieces of information ­ we have entry dates we can get from the V. A. (Veterans Administration) to make a certificate say when they got in the service and when they got out and if honorable discharge or not. Then they use that for benefits.

But say if they got hit by shell fragments or pieces of bullets in their body. Now later on, things are affecting their health. What are they going to do? They go to the V. A. and it turns them down for any kind of benefits because they can't prove it was service-connected. That's one of the problems I noticed.

But the big thing also is that we really don't know how the fire started and how it could have destroyed so many records. Or even how it was allowed to occur. I had a friend who was a firefighter and still is a firefighter and he used to work with veteran firefighters who were at the scene on that day of July 12, 1973. He told me that some of the firefighters were not allowed to go into the building. Basically, it was allowed to burn. They cited security reasons, but you can make your own estimate on what that means.

The way the building is set up, they have these metal shelves where they stack the records. That perplexed me, too, because I wonder how the fire was not contained by some of the metal shelving? I thought it quite odd that the fire could travel so extensively and so quickly to destroy so many of the records.

People said there was a man who was crazy and he put cigarette packs in different spots, lit them up and that's what destroyed all those records. I'm thinking to myself, how does a couple of cigarette packs do so much extensive damage? We're talking about 16 to 17 million records! The fact that so many people really don't know how it happened. It's very perplexing, Linda.

THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FIRE THAT WAS DELIBERATELY STARTED BY SOMEBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT WHO WANTED TO DESTROY MILLIONS OF RECORDS FOR REASONS THAT MIGHT RELATE TO THE FACT THAT THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA Privacy Act of 1974) WAS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY WITHIN HOW MANY MONTHS OF THAT FIRE?

Actually, I'm not sure the month it came out in 1974, but it was in 1974 that the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA Privacy Act) came into play. You can see the dates are very close. I personally believe it had something to do with that ­ the fire ­ there's something more than we are led to believe."

Editor's Note: The FOIA Privacy Act of 1974 enhanced the FOIA by permitting individuals access to records about themselves, which are held by federal agencies. The law requires that each agency publish a description of its record system and forbids the agency from disclosing personal information except to the individual who is the subject of such information. Both laws permit the individual to request access to federal records regarding himself or herself and allows the individual to appeal a denial of that request.

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) became law in 1966 and guaranteed the public the right of access to information held by the federal government. According to the act, any individual may request and receive a document, file, or other record held by any agency of the federal government.
"Those records involved a lot of information ­ classified information, I believe ­ OSS, the predecessor to the CIA and personnel who were in that agency. It involved most likely information involving Roswell and other possible crash sites and the Freedom of Information Act Privacy Act was going to come out in 1974 ­ who knows what kind of a panic the government went in at the time and said, 'We have to do something to make sure people don't have a chance to look at this information.'

RIGHT, AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME SYNDROME THAT SO FRUSTRATED CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF ­ GETTING RID OF RECORDS.

Right. And the scary thing about it all is that we have so many veterans out there that are suffering and there is nothing that can be done because their records were burned up. It's a very odd situation in many respects.

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Anybody else find it odd the mention of “foreign” applied to the “discs”, like “foreign aerial discs” instead of “alien” or “extraterrestrial” as we are more used to re Roswell?....

1946 and 1947 were too close to the end of WW II and we all know about nazi “flying discs” ...

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Is this world for real???!!!!

Maybe it’s time to rescue the subject of a thread I posted at GLP sometime ago about “Extraterrestrial Beings” .... maybe there are none ... coming here I mean... lol!...

This is insane....

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Good point Thessa.

I'm still not totally sure about the ETs.... though I fully believe in several advanced races or civilizations and other biological entities that are here on Earth.

Saucer craft have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years as well as advanced technologies - though suppressed from the masses until the internet.

Currently it appears to me that there is a war of the worlds taking place.

I believe that the dark haired, dark eyed, dark skinned peoples of earth have been slaughtered for many centuries, their great civilizations destroyed and have been replaced with the white folks with many of the survivors being used to interbreed with.

I think we have a cruel, uncompassionate, unemotional race living amongst us that has interbred with all nations and emerged as their rulers after conquering them.

But of course, this does not mean I believe that white people are all evil, the same way I don't believe all black people are evil, though in my experience in Jr High school, the worst terror I received was at the hands of black kids which were bussed in (9 busloads everyday) from downtown LA (IMHO, just to torment, beat up and jump the white kids) and also there were the pale skinned hispanics whom ironically called me whiteboy although I had darker skin than them.

To me, many of them were like animals and I had no desire to lower myself to their level. So I took several beatings and never fought back.

What's the ole saying...

"Turn the other cheek"

Well, they punched both of them.

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Good going, Thessa! handclap.gif Lots of info in your posts that is very telling!

I'm thinking that because there were computers way back then, cumbersome though they were, it is possible that those records which were supposed to have burned up are stored somewhere...at least the UFO records. Maybe, maybe not.

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This is a good thread to "rescue the subject" of the thread you posted at GLP. If you still have it, why not!

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Rescued from cache...
http://tinyurl.com/4qpof

Sometimes I feel like starting a new thread here with that first post to see what comes up. This is really something I like to think about as I’ve being very suspicious about this whole issue lately.

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I suspect they are just staging the last monumental show...

But this is me thinking... one of the secondary nuts of the house....

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Posted: Dec 14 2004, 01:49 AM
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Thanks again Thessa & Parinthian for the Roswell info...well done!

I agree with PuPP, these discs have been around for yonks, as evidenced by the various Rennaissance paintings that accurately depict them.

The Nazi's were probably attempting to back engineer these craft, they may have had a crashed or captured disc, or maybe some secret ancient texts (Vedic ?) describing their construction.

I believe there's both man-made & otherworldly craft. The variety of craft & the ability of some to morph, divide and disappear would preclude a human origin. Some of them seem almost organic in nature (remember the STS-48 'Worm' footage ?)

It's understandable that they would keep the subject under wraps back in the 40's. I think the problem now with disclosure, is that those involved could be held culpable for allowing abductions, mutilations and the kidnapping of children etc.

Isn't it ironic, though, that the technology gleaned from this 'deal', could be their undoing. (internet, cellphone cameras etc.) Remember Rumsy huffing about this 'new fangled technology' (cellphone cameras in the prison)

Take heart, fellow truthseekers.

Remember that Edgar Cayce prophesied that the NWO would be short-lived.

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I don't recall seeing that one.

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Hoy PuPP, the NASA 'Worm' footage may have been the STS-52 mission.

I have it on disc, but there should be a link, I'll post if I can find, I couldn't see it on Iwasabducted.com's list.

It's quite amazing footage, they actually zoom in on this giant 'worm' as it wiggles through the upper atmosphere ! Worth looking for !

There's also footage from England from the ground of what could be the same thingy. It was called the 'Lewisham Sock' and it was orange.

Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

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I think you've already provided a wealth of knowledge and thoughtful information to rattle our cages and make us wonder and I thank you for that!
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Thank you sHydra for that link, it was informative. As far as the crafts recovered from Roswell in 1947 I would have to disagree on those being nazi made. I do not recall hearing of hitler or his slave scientists attempting to create 6 finger/toed smaller humans with enlarged heads to man the ship. Those crafts were from another world, another society that somehow survived the last global cataclysm that is once again knocking on our door, or from another dimension co-existing with us. I have a tendency to beleive the last one since these guys did'nt really come out in full force until we started to experiment with nuclear weapons. I am now coming to a theory that such weapons not only affect this dimension, but all the quantum signature dimensions occupying the same position. Example where we detonate a bomb out in the middle of a desert in our dimension may very well be a city in theirs, or an ocean. Whatever existed there in their dimension was destroyed as well.




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