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> Blackwater drew weapons on American Soilders, Can you Believe it?

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Posted: Oct 13 2007, 08:05 PM
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How can this happen?
Who is holding them accountable?

Blackwater Is Soaked
An arrogant attitude only adds fuel to the criticism.
Oct. 15, 2007 issue
The colonel was furious. "Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers." He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad's Green Zone.

The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company. Asked to address this and other allegations in this story, Blackwater spokesperson Anne Tyrrell said, "This type of gossip has led to many soap operas in the press."

Whatever else Blackwater is or isn't guilty of—a topic of intense interest in Washington—it has a well-earned reputation in Iraq for arrogance and high-handedness.

Iraqis naturally have the most serious complaints; dozens have been killed by Blackwater operatives since the beginning of the war. But many American civilian and military officials in Iraq also have little sympathy for the private security company and its highly paid employees.

With an uproar growing in Congress over Blackwater's alleged excesses, the North Carolina-based company is finding few supporters.

Responsible for guarding top U.S. officials in Iraq, Blackwater operatives are often accused of playing by their own rules. Unlike nearly everyone else who enters the Green Zone, said an American soldier who guards a gate, Blackwater gunmen refuse to stop and clear their weapons of live ammunition once inside.

One military contractor, who spoke anonymously for fear of retribution in his industry, recounted the story of a Blackwater operative who answered a Marine officer's order to put his pistol on safety when entering a base post office by saying, "This is my safety," and wiggling his trigger finger in the air. "Their attitude was, 'We're f---ing security; we don't have to answer to anybody'."

Congress disagrees.

Until now, private security contractors working for the State Department, as Blackwater does, have effectively not been covered by either U.S. or Iraqi law, or military regulations.

A bill that overwhelmingly passed the House last week would close that loophole.

But the law would also require the FBI to establish a large-scale presence in Iraq in order to investigate accusations against private contractors.

Law-enforcement officials worry that this would draw valuable resources away from FBI efforts to combat terrorism in the United States. Also, whenever FBI agents venture into Iraq now they are guarded by ... Blackwater operatives.

The bureau has sent a team to Baghdad to investigate the Sept. 16 shooting in Nasoor Square, in which Blackwater guards are accused of killing as many as 17 Iraqi civilians. In order to avoid "even the appearance of any conflict [of interest]," according to an FBI spokesman, the agents will be defended by U.S. government personnel.

It is not an idle concern. Blackwater's staunchest defenders tend to be found among those whom they guard. U.S. officials prefer Blackwater and other private security bodyguards because they regard them as more highly trained than military guards, who are often reservists from MP units. A U.S. Embassy staffer, who did not have permission to speak on the record, said, "It's a few bad eggs that seem to be spoiling the bunch."

Late last week the State Department announced that it would increase oversight of Blackwater in particular, installing cameras in its vehicles and having a Diplomatic Security Service officer ride along on every convoy. But another State Department official, also speaking anonymously, says that DSS agents in Baghdad have not been eager to rein in the contractors in the past: "These guys tend to close ranks. It's like the blue wall."

Testifying before Congress last week, 38-year-old Blackwater chief Erik Prince vigorously defended his company's "dedicated security professionals" who "risk their lives to protect Americans in harm's way overseas." Prince probably had no reason to be as smug as he seemed to many observers. In deflecting questions about a drunken Blackwater operative who allegedly shot and killed a bodyguard for Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi in the Green Zone on Christmas Eve last year, Prince said that the employee, later identified as Andrew Moonen, had been fined and fired.

But on Friday House Oversight Committee chairman Rep. Henry Waxman released a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recounting evidence that Moonen was able to return to Iraq and worked there for another company. Moonen's attorney, Stewart Riley, told NEWSWEEK his client denies wrongdoing and is not facing criminal charges. Blackwater is no doubt in for further fire fights.

I dont know why they would need to draw their weapons and force the soldiers to the ground while they untangled their vehicals. Unless there was something in that SUV they didnt want the troops to know about.

Or a VIP they didn't want them to know about.


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Posted: Oct 15 2007, 03:56 PM
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The Blackwater paid mercenaries, I mean Security, basically have had a free license to kill, rob, detain, harm or torture anyone in Iraq and no one says a word for how many years now? 3 years?

I recall a Blackwater security person killing the bodyguard of the elected vice-president of Iraq. Another crime allowed to happen by the criminally insane who rule over us all.
How can this happen?
Who is holding them accountable?

Hi Darkraveness, the answer to your question is.... NO ONE.

The same goes for the criminal gang we've had in the whitehouse for the past several decades.

We seem to have no honest men and women in the US govt who will do the right thing with their positions of power.

Most of my US govt seem content with their 30 pieces of silver.

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Posted: Oct 16 2007, 05:26 PM
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If you have a look at ALL conflicts you will find that, whenever people think they are in a position without law, they generally behave with the utmost brutality and disrespect for decency. This applies to civilians and military alike.
Only a strong, successful moral authority outside of the individual can stop most people from falling into disgusting behaviour - it is a flaw in the human psyche. Most people have no intrinsic decency and must be kept under control by laws and punishment.

Blackwater operatives are merely following the example set by Genghis Khan, the Ottomans, the SS, the Serbs/Croatians, and many others.

Only those people with a genuine moral backbone refrain from becoming the devil's disciples in areas of conflict. These are few and they mostly are individuals with a genuine religious life. This religion is not necessarily Christian and genuinely moral people come from many other religions and even include some atheists. There are just so few of them.

As the internal decency factor is eroded by television and Hollywood, the likelihood of human morality improving is less than zero and we will see more and more obscenities.

When I was a lad, a fight at school was fair, upright and respectful. Take a look now....weapons, multiple assailants and, when one gets knocked down, out come the boots to the head. All to be video'd on mobile phones and posted on the internet to further humiliate the victim - never ending bullying. Our young people have become vicious thugs with no sense of proportion and no feelings for other people. Our military and security forces are mostly young people - young people with all the moral upbringing of Vlad the Impaler. Our society is sick, sick, sick and much of it is because so few people go to church/synagogue/mosque/temple anymore and the vehemence and brainwashing of popular "entertainment" is not moderated.

So many ferals - so few bullets.
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