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> The Mars Records, Michael Remembers Being Stationed There

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Posted: Oct 28 2006, 05:24 PM
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(Note: You've got to be more than ready to know the truth of where these 'last of days' interference is coming from considering your interest in seeking it.

Why the secrecy and blocks interfering our learning the truth.
Not for the average person.

This story of Michael's experience isn't too hard to believe if you've been researching well roundelay the UFO community information and pieced together for yourselves, stories many others have risked their lives to share with you about their puzzling involvement's bordering many of the things Michael discusses in the below, experienced while serving on and off in the Navy.

It fits remarkably well together for me. I'm a contactee/abductee that has had to remove many denial veils in order to comprehend this kind of secondary world activity involving why the need for so many abduction's.

The kind of abduction's I'm told the higher would not conduct



As you know, thought creates reality. Instead of suppressing the people of earth, why not harness the ability of six billion people to protect earth?

Instead of dumbing people down, how about helping to raise people who can think and work together spiritually and metaphysically with synergy?

We could be the strongest planet in the universe if only all the psychic ability of the people is aligned and harnessed for good.

The following is an exclusive interview that conducted with Michael and Stephanie Relfe. Stephanie Relfe is the author of The Mars Records, a chronicle of biofeedback meter sessions where Michael R. regained hidden memories of military service on Mars.

During these sessions which began in 1996, the two discovered that while Michael was in the United States Navy he served for twenty years at a base that was established on the planet Mars.

Through the clearing sessions, a complex set of memories began to surface. Memories that included remote viewing, time travel, age recession of 20 years and on-going intrusive abductions. These memories were found buried beneath the false memories that had been implanted so that Michael would not remember.

The Book The Mars Records is a result of these sessions. It is available online and is free to download at .

Where possible, when certain technologies or people are mentioned in the interview, links to information on those subjects and/or people are provided. It is highly recommended that you follow these links and review the information contained there, as well as search out information on your own.

SURFING: Were the clearing sessions successful in retrieving the memories as well as diffusing the rage?

MICHAEL: Concerning the childhood memories, we haven't gone that deep into exploring that area. The internal rage I felt as the result of how I had been treated is mostly gone. Along with that was great physical pain (in my neck and back) that I had felt as a result of the crash of the attack craft. The way clearing works, it is easier to remember things that
contain a lot of "charge" on them. That charge is usually associated with pain or traumatic events.

STEPHANIE: Michael is a very different person now to how he was when I first met him. Eventually he improved so much that when he asked me to marry him, I accepted. We are now very happy together. And he becomes more of a "people person" every day, when previously he was pretty much a loner.

SURFING: Michael, when did you enlist in the U.S. Navy and how long did you serve with them?

MICHAEL: I enlisted in the Navy in 1976 for the Nuclear Power Program. That program requires a six-year enlistment. My time in the Navy was 6 years relative and 26 years absolute. That means 6 years in my "normal" life time line. Then some time after arriving at Great Lakes, Illinois for Electronics Tech School I was recruited to Mars. I stayed there 20 years, at which time I was age regressed and returned to Great Lakes about a week after I had left.

6 Years + 20 Years = 26 Years.

Remember that during the duration of my 6 year enlistment plus the next 14 years, there were two instances of "me", one on Earth and one on Mars. There was no "parallel universe" situation.

SURFING: Michael, you state that the time you spent in the Navy was " 6 years relative and 26 years absolute," and that there were "two instances" of you, "one on earth and one on Mars," can you explain what this means and/or how this worked?

MICHAEL: In the book, the visual representation of the time line helps clarify the matter. I was living my normal "time line" when I was recruited for the program. I was taken to Mars via jump gate where I served a 20 year tour of duty. During that period I was not allowed contact with any event, any thing or anyone on earth. At the end of the tour of duty I was physically age regressed 20 years and returned to my point of origin. (about a week after I had left). I continued to live my normal "time line". From the point of an outside observer I lived my normal time line (minus the week I was gone). At the same period I was also living on Mars,
totally isolated from earth. The key is ISOLATED. During the time on Mars I was never allowed to interfere with any event on earth. In addition, I eventually had to be returned to earth to live out my normal time line and accomplish my destiny.

SURFING: The "jump gate" that you refer to, is this technology that grew out of the Philadelphia Experiment?

MICHAEL: Yes. This is the same technology that Al Bielek describes in the Montauk Book series, although instead of being in the experimental stages, at the time of my enlistment, this technology was being used in everyday practice.

SURFING: Your first clearing sessions were because you remembered seeing "spaceships" as a boy. Can you tell me about these memories, and what you discovered about them in the sessions?

MICHAEL: I remembered that one night I was awakened and my parents were not in the house. So I went outside to try and find them and saw all the people of our neighbourhood outside looking up at the sky at a "rocket". I wanted to know if it was really a dream. Then I mentioned to Stephanie something about wanting to know if I ever saw "weird" things in the Navy. The meter started to read so Stephanie followed that line of thought. The Mars Records is the result.

SURFING: What was your first memory of your service on Mars? How did you both feel about this revelation?

MICHAEL: It was during the first session as described in the book. I was in Great Lakes, Illinois, in the Nuclear Power Program. I had completed Electronic Tech School but they supposedly did not have room at Nuclear Power School for me at that time, so I was assigned to be an "Instructor Assistant" at one of the Electronic Schools. My memory from that time
seemed "flat", like a cartoon or something. When Stephanie started questioning me about that time, asking if I was doing something else or if I was somewhere else, that is when the meter started reading. The word MARS came into mind and the meter went crazy. She continued with that line of research.
How did I feel about it? I was very surprised and astonished at this realization. I had no idea I was ever involved in anything such as this. You have to understand that I was very emotionally "bound up" at this time. I was "programmed" to be an unemotional loner and did not react emotionally to much of anything. My job was using my Remote Viewing "talent" to kill other beings (human alien and other) in excess of 70 times.
Other beings were just "targets". My world was one of fact and logic. I was a very cold person. I once mentioned to Stephanie that I must have been like the Psicorps Officer "Mr. Bester" on the TV show Babylon 5. She said "No, You were like his BOSS !" I have improved quite a bit since then.

STEPHANIE: I had a range of emotions and thoughts at the time.
However, a clearing session runs successfully only if the clearing practitioner is PRESENT. I was trained to be present, no matter what the client says or does. Once you are are in that state of "Here" and "Now", nothing affects you - because our emotions are a result of our past experience and beliefs.
Also, because I had done years of clearing and reading about
alternative type things, I had had my reality on many things totally changed many times in the past, so that one more surprise was not as hard to handle had I not been prepared by previous changes to my way of thinking. However, that aside, I guess I can say that at the back of my mind there
was a part of me that felt that the world turned upside down, so to speak, when I asked him "where were you at that time?" and he finally answered "Mars". Some how I just KNEW that his answer was going to be Mars. I didn't put that thought in his head. It's just that the reality of it was so much in the room (and because I'm pretty telepathic). It took him quite a
while to answer - not because he didn't instantly know the answer, just because he was reluctant to tell me. To me, he looked pretty astounded. After the session, as his answers sunk further into my mind, I became even more astonished. It would have been all right if I had heard of even ONE person having been to Mars (I didn't know at that time that Al Bielek
said he had been to Mars), but that I should find the first person to remember this was a pretty big responsibility. It took me a long time to get used to the idea. For quite a while after that I used to try different ways to get Michael to realize that it must have come from a past life or something
else, but I finally had to accept that it really happened and in this lifetime.

SURFING: What was your life like on Mars? Did you live on the surface or underground? What special life support systems, if any were required?

MICHAEL: From my memories in the sessions, I remember that most living was done indoors in a mixture above ground and underground installations. We have not looked at this subject fully.

SURFING: What was your "mission" at the Mars base?

MICHAEL: My service at Mars Base took place over a 20 year time span. During that time my job specialty changed at least twice. During one time period I was involved with Remote Viewing. During the remote viewing period, there was a time of initial conditioning (drugs to enhance metaphysical "talent" and surgery for the man/machine interface), training
and deployment. The missions that I performed at different stages varied from recon (data gathering) to defence to offensive.

Recon - Data Gathering, Covert Spying, etc. Remote Viewing can be shielded against. You have to have control and finesse to be effective against a shield.

Defence - Differing assignments according to the "power" of the talent. Ranges from lightweight, general "monitoring" of a region, to active defence of a region, to active defence of an installation, to active defence of a selected VIP target.
These regions can be on planet or in an area surrounding the planet. Sometimes the defence is "mental". Sometimes you are hooked into offensive and defensive weapons systems.

Offensive - Remote Viewing used as an offensive tactical weapon to terminate selected VIP targets (assassination). Even with the machines, this job requires a "talent" of high "horsepower" and low compassion for other beings. Most RV people never come close to this level. These jobs are a progression "upward". I remember being very good against shields. Later after gaining experience I became offensive and
proficient at termination. The final count was 70 targets terminated.

SURFING: What exactly were you defending on Mars Base, and who were you defending it from?

MICHAEL: During my Remote Viewing period, defence was provided for various targets, depending upon the operatives skill and experience. Some of the things defended were regions of space, installations, VIE equipment, weapons platforms and VIP individuals. We have not looked at the identification of the enemy(s).

SURFING: You mention "final count 70 targets terminated," who/what were these targets?

MICHAEL: These targets were humans, aliens and synthetics (I don't actually know what a synthetic is the name I give to the "thing" that looks human, but is a shell containing an artificial intelligence)

SURFING: What is the man-machine interface?

MICHAEL: The machine that amplifies your metaphysical abilities. It requires a direct connection to the brain. Candidates undergo surgery to implant an interface device so that the connection can be made.

SURFING: Earlier in the interview you mentioned great physical pain in your neck and your back as a result of the "crash of the attack craft." What was the crash of the attack craft?

MICHAEL: From what we have been able to piece together, I spent a certain amount of the 20 year Mars duty term in a specialty commonly known as Remote Viewing. I "know" that this is a very stressful type of procedure and that duty rotation is required. I also "know" that I was given a choice of other types of training and I chose flight training. In one session I recalled flying a single seat attack craft and while being on patrol in a certain area, I discovered a very large ship. It was deep space recon so I was supposed to return after reporting the position of the intruder. I didn't. I was too excited, gung-ho and bored for "action". I went as close as possible and launched my weapons. They launched some type
of missile, that when it hit my ship, it did not explode, but
penetrated the cockpit. It sent quite a bit of shrapnel into my arm, chest and leg. The suit I was wearing sealed the wounds and pumped me full of drugs that put me in suspension. I was later picked up and sent to the hospital for

SURFING: In the Mars Records you mention two specific groups of "aliens," The Greys and The Reptilians. Can you tell me more about these groups and what their connection to the US Military is?

MICHAEL: I can recall that they work together with certain groups within the shadow government. The greys seem to be technicians or doctors, always doing something to someone and neutral toward the subject. The reptilians seem ill tempered and we have had more than a few psychic attacks from some of them.

SURFING: How have your "monthly visits" (abductions) been? Are they still occurring? Do you believe these will ever stop?

MICHAEL: The "visits" continued monthly after the scars appeared. After the Mars Records was published on the net, we moved to another state. As per what usually happened when we moved, they took a while to track us down. Eventually, however, the visits started again. There has been an increase in psychic attack since then and if it were not for the
protection of God Almighty, I believe that things could be a lot worse.

STEPHANIE: A big reprisal happened on Tuesday 30 May. I woke up in the morning and immediately felt a pain in my right breast. I was VERY surprised to find a large, hard lump about 1.5" wide, on the right hand side behind the nipple. Nothing like this had ever happened before. I am very healthy, and constantly work to improve my health with diet etc. Muscle testing indicated it wasn't cancerous or a cyst - although I
believe it would have developed that way if we hadn't dealt with it. Muscle testing showed it was related to people associated with the Mars Records. Michael prayed for me (e.g. "In Jesus name I break every curse, spell and psychic prayer put upon Stephanie by any government group, MIB group,
witches satanists or masonic group, NWO group, illuminati group, NRO group, NSA group, CIA group, military group, army group, navy group, air force group, marine corps group, Mars Defense Force Group, Mars Program group, reptilian group, draconian group, grey alien group, insect alien group. In the name of the lord Jesus Christ I break every soul tie, communication link, insertion point, communication line, surveillance line, hook, radionics attack, death signal hook and disease signal hook put upon Stephanie by (the names above).

Instantly pain appeared in my breast, (especially when he mentioned radionics - which was added when I got an intuitive flash that it might be related to this) and I did a lot of burping, belching and yawning which confirmed the spirits were radionics (not cancerous at that time). We also got a good reaction when he prayed away spirits of "breast infection" and "breast inflammation". Also, something was hooked into the
breast itself which was associated with the Mars project and military. After this, the pain went away and the lump was immediately 50% smaller. We continued to pray a few more times, and the lump was totally gone within about 40 hours.
Up until this time the attacks were mostly demonic in nature, with energy being drained, anger thrown in etc. The radionics thing was a new thing. We believe that this may be the mechanism behind the MANY researchers (especially UFO researchers) dying of cancer and heart attack. (I once
read an article outlining how many UFO researchers had died, and it was an amazingly long list). This just goes to show that God's power is more powerful than anything the enemy has.

SURFING: At one point in the clearing sessions, you came to realize that "abduction/physical" changes had been made to your father while he served in the U.S. Air Force and that as a result of these changes "they" started "doing things" to you at age 8. First off, who are "they?" Secondly what type of physical changes were made to you and what was the effect of these changes?

MICHAEL: "They" were grey aliens. The changes made to me were
genetic. The effects of these changes were to enhance my natural "talent". It must have worked as they have been visiting monthly for the last couple of years to "harvest" tissue from my testicles. I believe that the genetic changes increased my talent "horsepower" as well as its depth and breadth of control and resolution.

SURFING: All during your experiences, you were subjected to the drug Scopolamine. Scopolamine is one of the most insidious drugs known. It has been stated that a person can be "programmed" in five minutes or less using this drug. My understanding is that Scopolamine was originally used on "double agents" so that if the double agent was subjected to
torture, truth serum or more Scopolamine the ORIGINAL programmers had to be sure that the double agent would not "crack." Scopolamine was combined with personality fragmentation and hypnosis so that no matter what the
interrogators did, if they did not have the original "code words" or "triggers" they could not penetrate the "cover." How were you able to locate and break this programming, and how can you be sure that you have completely "cracked" it?

MICHAEL: I give all the credit to GOD Almighty and The Lord Jesus Christ for breaking the power that these people had over me. The mind control technologies that these "controllers" use are composed of a demonic component, a metaphysical component and a physical component, all in one. An example is an implant that suppresses metaphysical abilities. A hardware device (physical) that generates signals that interfere with energy processes (metaphysical). Then a demonic entity is "assigned" to protect, maintain and look after the device. If the subject starts to think the wrong thoughts or probe too deeply into certain subjects covered by the demons assignment, it takes measures, within its authority (and what GOD allows) to try to distract and lead the person's thoughts in other directions.
Sometime pain, fear and uncomfortableness is used. So you can see that it is the power of Jesus Christ and the deliverance
he provides that gave me enough freedom to allow the clearing and kinesiology to help me. The idea is that the body and the mind records everything that has ever happened to it. It even knows the "code words" that the controller has used to "lock in" the programming. Clearing allows the therapist to "home
in" on the exact time that the programming took place. By looking at the memory pattern over and over, it is "worn away" and weakened. When specific commands are implanted, the wernicke's procedure can find and remove them. When drugs are used, the kinesiology will balance out (cancel) the effects of the drug. The deliverance removes the demonic component of
the equation and prevents interference by the dark forces.
Remember that these effects took many years to build up and it may take some time to undo. We have not completely "cracked" this programming, but with God's help, we will.

SURFING: Many "booby traps" were placed in you to stop you from remembering these experiences, including commands that were meant to make you fatally ill if you were to remember. I think it might be useful to others who may be experiencing these same things to explain a bit here about what Wernicke's commands are and how they were removed.

MICHAEL: The wernicke's commands are completely explained in the book. The procedure is outlined. The booby traps are dealt with slowly with God's help. We do a lot of extra praying when delving into this area. I am reading the Fritz Springmeier books at this moment to gain more information in this area.

STEPHANIE: It is generally known that research has shown that words are stored in a specific area on the left side of the brain. What is not so well known is that there is an equivalent area in the right half of the brain which is also involved with language. Both these areas are called the
Wernicke's area. Experiments have shown that if the Wernicke's area in the left half of the brain is electrically stimulated during speech, it will interfere with the ability to talk properly, almost halting speech. The same type of stimulation to the Wernicke's area in the right brain, however, causes a person to hear "voices" or "commands". These are usually of an authoritarian or dictatorial nature, and can be identified as the voice of one who was feared, admired or "looked up to" by the person being stimulated. The 'authorities' who might have put commands into this mind are anyone that we might have looked up to at some time. These can include parents, teachers, peers, politicians, and doctors - and aliens.
Have you ever been told to "grow up", "shut up", "eat up", "forget that" or "give up"? Have you ever been told "you're mad", you're bad", "you're stupid" or "you'll never make it"?
If somebody you thought was powerful or important said "you're too fat","you'll never change", "you'll forget", "you're a slow learner", "eat ALL your food", "don't trust anyone", "you're not good enough", "strong enough", "clever enough" "you'll go to hell" etc. etc. then they may have made an
'entry' in your right Wernicke's area, an implanted command, which is still influencing you to this day! In the case of people who have suffered an abduction experience, the commands have often been implanted INTENTIONALLY. Commands such
as "you will forget" and "this never happened" and "you dreamed all this" are one reason why the victims have no conscious memory of the event.

In 1996 Australian kinesiologist David Bridgman made an astounding discovery. He realized how to remove negative beliefs from the brain! The key to removing these beliefs is that they are stored in the brain as though another person said them e.g. "You won't remember". The brain then tries to make sense of a command and translates it, for example,
as "I won't remember". This command then interferes with the person. To get rid of the command you must find the EXACT wording of the command, which in this case is "YOU won't remember". The specific kinesiology procedure developed by David Bridgman enables a person to REMOVE the sabotaging commands from the brain. Instant improvement is generally noted in the person who has done this. This is a simple, revolutionary and very powerful procedure. If you are
interested, send an email to me at mentioning the Wernicke's video and I'll put you on a list to be notified when we have produced a video teaching this technique.

SURFING: Knowing all the disinformation that is in the mind control world, what measures do you take before you rely on someone else's information?

MICHAEL: I use prayer and ask God for spiritual discernment. I never totally rely on anyone's information except God's King James Bible.

STEPHANIE: I run my life by listening to my intuition. The more I do that, the more I can rely on the answers it gives me, as when I do it, it is always correct (although at the time it often may not seem to make a lot of sense). Also, I like to meet the person in the flesh (e.g. by going to Global
Sciences Congress) to see what they're like and what vibration they give off.

SURFING: Because of so much disinformation in regard to mind control information, have you found a way using any of the techniques, beyond what your faith and intuition tells you, that helps you to verify that the information is truthful and coming from a pure motive, rather than one of deception?

MICHAEL: Our experience with Kinesiology and Clearing has proven to be effective in our situation. Kinesiology allows the body to indicate what is wrong with it. The Clearing technology and the "truth detector" meter can't be fooled. Let me stress the importance of "faith". If you don't deal with the demons, you don't deal with mind control. As for other techniques, we are not familiar with any other techniques
that claim to "break" programming. Most people use hypnosis. So do the bad guys. Hypnosis doesn't cure hypnosis. Hypnosis does not remove the cause of the problem.

SURFING: After many years, The TV Program Alternative 3 has been released for viewing on the internet. The film which was produced by Anglia Television aired in 1977.Quoting from the website: "Alternative Three - to build a "transfer station" on the backside of the Moon, build an underground base on Mars and remove a certain limited "Noah's Ark" cross section of Earth's population, artists, scientists, engineers, writers, etc., to Mars as a survival colony in the event of "catastrophe" on Earth. They started this project in 1961 and may have accomplished most of this as well." Is this what you believe has been accomplished on Mars? A "survival colony?"

MICHAEL: The Mars Base project accomplishes that mission objective, however with the jump gate technology that is utilized by this group, colonization of other planets in other star systems is a reality. During one of the sessions I came to "know" that the mars base is a jumping off point to other bases on other planets and that it is used because of the
electronic "interference" here on earth to too great to use that technology effectively. Mars Base is not a survival colony. It is composed of several large installations located at different points around the planet.

SURFING: So, The "colonization" as described in Alternative 3 has taken place BUT on several planets other than Mars. Do you know what other planets are being accessed and/or colonized?


SURFING: It seems as if there are actually TWO governments at work here. One that we the public are told of and that operates close to what we as the public know as our current technological level of achievement. Then there seems to be a second "shadow" government that works at a much higher and secretive level. It also appears that these two government
factions are either unaware of each other, or are at battle with each other. Is this perception correct? Do you have anything to add to this?

MICHAEL: This is pretty much my conclusion, however there is some overlap in their operations, what with them keeping me under "watch" since childhood as well as the way I was "recruited" from training in Great Lakes, Illinois.

SURFING: PAGE 101 - The Mars Records - You speak of how Reptilians at Pine Gap Military Base in Australia put "metaphysical hooks" into you taking part of your "mind and heart" and keeping them at Pine Gap. You state the reason for this was so the reptilians could "siphon off the energy and use it for barter." What can you tell me about this?

MICHAEL: Only what came up in the session. That these reptilians had hooks into the energy centers of my body and that they were draining energy to be used by them as a "sacrifice" to the dark forces that they serve.
They seek out those individuals with metapsychic abilities. That is what the "metagene" is about.

SURFING: In the notes regarding the session on page 101 of THE MARS RECORDS Stephanie writes: "It was found by muscle testing that reptilians do not fit the term "alien." They have been on this earth for such a long time that they are considered residents by our bodies." What does this mean?

MICHAEL: Michael: This was an interesting discovery. Using muscle testing we ask our "body/mind/will/emotions" questions. Our body knows (genetic memory?) that these beings called reptilians have been on this planet for quite some time and they are not "alien" to it. It is interesting that the Bible describes a serpent like creature talking to Adam and Eve in
the garden of Eden. In addition, many societies have stories of snake or reptile like creatures and in fact these creatures demanded worship and sacrifice from those societies.

STEPHANIE: I first discovered this about 5 years ago. There was a group of people who were doing work with a man who was working at a house in the country outside Sydney, Australia, owned by a friend of mine. He was showing them how to raise their frequency to the "Love Universe". He said that the opposite of love is not hate, it is "no love", and some
people's frequency was in the "No-Love Universe", not the "Love Universe". (One way of getting into the No-Love Universe is to do a lot of work such as clearing where one is looking at negative stuff, without balancing it up by doing other positive work such as working to increase love). I saw a number of people have this done to them, and it was sometimes
quite amazing to watch. I saw a positive, physical change in one man who had once been a Catholic priest. They started finding that some people would get very sick once their
frequency was raised to the love universe. They then discovered that these people had "metaphysical circuitry " (wiring and other junk - presumably to block metaphysical abilities) on them, put there by aliens. From then on, the people would locate this junk (with muscle testing) and remove it before doing the frequency change. This worked for a few people. However, they STILL found that some people got sick. They then got the realization that the body did not label reptilians as aliens, because they have been here as long as we have. After that, they would muscle test first for alien OR reptilian circuitry. Sometimes they would get that one of these was present, some times the other, some times both, sometimes none. After that, no one got sick. Interestingly enough, one evening I was there I learned one way to discover the presence of a reptilian. Three women were in a corner
together when one said "What is that awful smell?" The other two could smell it as well. The man in charge of the sessions came quickly over, realizing that it was a reptilian (invisible, or in spirit), and commanded it to leave. The smell then went away. Since that time, I have noticed an awful
'rotten' smell a couple of times when there were negative emotions going on, and I have commanded it to leave (in Jesus' name if necessary), and things have improved. An interesting find was after I told this story to Michael. He asked that I
muscle test to find out what universe he was in. He was in the Love Universe. When I tested to find out when this happened, it happened when he accepted Jesus as his Lord and savior.

SURFING: You know that most people view your story as "unbelievable," I have seen comments on the internet stating it is everything from scientology to disinformation to something that should be seriously considered, what do you have to say, if anything, regarding this?

MICHAEL: "Black" projects of any type are not in most people’s reality. It is much easier to believe that those in power do not have this technology than vice versa. The ramifications of The Mars Records are startling. I possess metaphysical abilities of sufficient "horsepower" that "they" find it
necessary to "shut me off" as well as abduct me for medical procedures, all without my knowledge. They have the technology to easily accomplish this. If they can do this to me, they can do the same to you, your family, your government leaders, etc. No one is safe. Trust No One but God Almighty and The Lord Jesus Christ. Everyone else, get deliverance. As for the Kinesiology, separate the superstition from the technology.
Energy medicine is real and it works. The enemy knows about it and will use it against you. Learn to use it to nullify the attacks of the enemy and heal yourself. As for Clearing, separate the superstition from the technology. Clearing
technology is real and it works. It works outside of the influence of any organization. There exists a large group of individuals in all parts of the world using Clearing to help others. Many of these people have never been exposed to the teachings of any organization. The enemy will use mind control to enslave others. Clearing can be used to nullify the
effects of these mind control programs. As for the reality of The Mars Records, I can only say that this book was written for a very small percentage of the population. It's for those
people who are following God's plan for their life, to free themselves from bondage and to join the fight to free others as well. If you want to actively fight the enemy, learn deliverance, kinesiology or clearing (or all 3) and dedicate
yourself to the fight. God will send people for you to help immediately thereafter. At the end of the day, I have to look at the scars on my groin and wonder what they took out of me or put into me as well as wait for the next time. It’s not "disinformation". It’s my life.

STEPHANIE: I can't blame anyone that finds this unbelievable. Despite having read a lot of unusual stuff it has always happened to someone else,and so there have been times when I find it hard to believe too. But then all I have to do is add up in my mind the dozens of pieces of evidence that show that it is true. And they keep on coming! Most people are too much involved in day-to-day material living to worry too much about all this. I hope though that there are some people out there
who have been affected as we have who can use this information to begin to uncover answers as to why they are having troubles in their life, such as in their relationship, as we did initially.

SURFING: How does one live a "normal" life after experiences like this?

MICHAEL: There is no "normal" life. I live in a world where 98% of the population are "children" living in an artificially created state of consciousness resembling sleep. Daily they give away their health, their freedom and their souls to the god of this world, Lucifer. There is no "normal" life. There is the love of God, the love of my family and the love of
doing Gods will for my life. That is enough.

STEPHANIE: I guess in some ways we don't. Everything looks completely different. One finds that one's old friends drop off, as one goes from new reality to new reality. Although this had already been happening to me before The Mars Records. Thanks to the net we are finding new friends such as yourself with whom we can relate about the important things. And luckily, we have God and each other for company.

SURFING: What advice can you offer to others who may have also been victims of mind control manipulation?

MICHAEL: A personal relationship with God almighty and The Lord Jesus Christ is the first step. Without His help, there is no freedom. As a result of that new relationship, you are now entitled to the free gift of deliverance, that is having the demons removed from you. Next, use Kinesiology and good food, clean water and supplements to get your health back. Then use clearing technology and the wernicke's correction to remove the mind control commands from you. Then start helping others. That becomes YOUR ministry.

STEPHANIE: The first thing is to get a personal relationship with God. Listen to your heart and intuition - as that is where he will speak to you. Then ask God for guidance and take action when you get guided by your intuition. You will find out sooner or later if it was your intuition that spoke to you - or something else! In this way, you get to know better and
better when it is truly your intuition speaking to you.


Appendix II: Interview by Eve Lorgen

The Mars Records: Interview with Michael and Stephanie Relfe
By Eve Lorgen ©2000

The Mars Records, authored by Stephanie Relfe, is a 300-plus page document (See chronicling the biofeedback sessions of her husband Michael who discovered he had been involved in a secret black project while in the Navy. Michael was astonished to find that he had been living a double life as a covert operative for The Mars Defense Force.

Some of his assignments were covert ops, piloting spacecraft, remote viewing, psychic defense and even psychic assassinations.

Michael's recruitment, training and service for Mars Defense Force was carried out via sophisticated alien and military mind control technology.

This included implants, hypno-programming, dissociation of specifically trained alter personalities, advanced psi training, speed learning, psi enhancing drugs and time travel.

Michael's case is unique and very important because he is one of a very handful of persons who have been able to clear, recall and deprogram the sophisticated alien and military
mind programming. His success in memory retrieval and deprogramming is due to deliverance prayer and the excellent therapeutic skills of his wife, Stephanie Relfe.

She uses a combination of biofeedback clearing sessions and kinesiology.

Michael still experiences abductions by an alien and human military element working conjointly. But because of his level of therapeutic success with deliverance, clearing and kinesiology, Michael has a greater sense of personal control, awareness and is not as susceptible to the mind control that the abductors continue to try to use on him.

Many researchers in the field of Ufology, Paranormal and Mind Control have a tendency to view things as a black and white picture. Either all abductions are some military black project using aliens as a cover story, or it's all aliens, because we don't have such a high level of technology.

Such is not the case in Michael's experience, or in many other MILAB abductees that I have interviewed.

I strongly encourage the reader to read the full Mars Records document. If this is true-- and I think it is--we are dealing with such a high level of "alien" technology, that to gain control back into our lives, we need to do a lot of
soul searching work.

MR: - Michael R.

SR: Stephanie Relfe

EL: Eve Lorgen

EL: Michael, as a child did you experience any UFO sightings or signs of alien abduction?

MR: With the exception of the incident described in The Mars Records, I have no memories of any UFO sightings, alien abductions or missing time. That one incident (childhood UFO dream) has always "stuck" in my mind because it was so real. While growing up I asked my parents about it several times and they just said I must have been dreaming.

EL: Do you think that the surfacing of your Mars Defense Ops is somehow related to this earlier UFO "dream"?

MR: Yes, I feel that the emotional "charge" or energy associated with that incident eventually led me to accept a clearing session offered by Stephanie to see if anything could be discovered. Little did we know what we would find.

EL: Stephanie, can you tell us briefly how Clearing sessions work?

SR: Clearing uses (1) a biofeedback meter which measures one level below consciousness and (2) specific rules and techniques for communicating which enable a person's mind to uncover the TRUTH of what is the cause of their upsets and problems. The meter puts a small, harmless electrical current through the person's body. The mind and body interact. By measuring changes in the body's resistance, the meter measures changes in the person's mind. Emotional upset comes from things that happened to us in the past. The upset is stored as energy, "charge", in the mind. It is stored in a mind called the "unconscious mind" which is why we can't access these
memories normally. With the help of the clearing practitioner and the meter, a person can consciously get to find out what is in his unconscious mind. We get rid of this charge in clearing by creating a PERFECT COPY of it. Two things cannot exist in the same place at the same time. With the help of the bio meter and the clearing practitioner, the hidden memories
come into view. Once the person creates a perfect copy, the original charge vanishes. This causes their mind to be "lighter". This reads on the meter as an instantaneous change in their body. And the person realizes finally what has been going on.

The Mars Records is very different from any other book previously published in that it includes all the readings from the meter as well as an explanation as to what they mean. The readings back up the truth of this incredible story.

Also, the application of kinesiology muscle testing. The basis of kinesiology is that the body is an electrical instrument and the brain is a very powerful computer. The computer is sending signals to all the muscles and back again. Muscle testing isolates a particular muscle by putting an arm in a particular position. The kinesiologist can then "talk" directly to the brain and ask it different questions. Depending on the answer, the person being tested either will or won't be able to hold their arm up, which is how the brain communicates to us.

EL: Stephanie, why do you think this particular combination is better than hypnosis in recovering repressed memories?

SR: The problem with hypnosis is that is works by shutting the conscious mind down. This does not help the person to grow in spiritual strength and understanding. Rather, the opposite. Once the person is hypnotized, more "stuff" is put into the unconscious mind. We want ALL the memories to become conscious, and to clear the charge from them. This causes an increase in the person's spiritual strength.

EL: Have you ever worked with other abductees or mind control victims with repressed memories?

SR: Not with clearing. With kinesiology I have had about 10 people out of several hundred that had had experiences. Some of these people knew about it, others didn't. Some could handle what I told them, others couldn't. It is amazing what one discovers about someone with kinesiology. For example, I was working on one woman who had incredible sleeping problems. She was very "blocked" and almost impossible to test, which
is most unusual. I began to suspect abduction. It turned out her problems started the day she woke up at 2 am, and found her little girl outside on the doorstep (freezing cold), which was "impossible" because the little girl was too small to reach the door handle. Another woman I worked on had no problem accepting that she had been abducted. She was quite psychic. While working on a problem to do with a pain in her leg, an incident surfaced. She told me that she had 24 hours of missing time, when she and her boyfriend rode on a bike up north along 300 miles of deserted road in Queensland, Australia. They felt like lying down beside the road. When they go to the New Year's party they were going to, it was all over. They were a day later! Her boyfriend was in a huge rage, and left her then and there. Using the communication
techniques from clearing (but without the meter) she relived an incident where men in black clothes came for them both and took them onto a spaceship. Insectoids that looked like human sized praying mantises worked on them before returning them to the original spot.

EL: Michael, you mentioned in the Mars Records that you used
deliverance prayer sessions even before you met Stephanie. What made you decide to try this method?

MR: Deliverance is the "casting out" or removing of evil spirits from a person who does NOT want them there. Witches and magicians WANT to have evil spirits inside them, which is how they obtain their "power". Christians do NOT want evil spirits as they hinder and stop spiritual growth and progress.
Deliverance is a gift from the Lord Jesus Christ for HIS people. It is NOT for the unbelieving public at large. The Bible refers to deliverance as the "Children's Bread". In 1983 when I was living in Tulsa, Oklahoma, I believed in God but was not living a Christian life and did not have a close walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. In one of my newsletters that exposed the Illuminati, the author had a couple of tapes on offer by a preacher named Win Worley. One was titled, "Mass Deliverance". This tape was a recording of a group deliverance service at a small Baptist church near Chicago. When listening to this tape, I was unprepared for what happened. I listened to the sermon and explanation of terms. I participated in the
prayers that the preacher led the group through. I felt that
"something" happened but I did not know what. Then the preacher started calling a list of names of demons (lust, jealousy, hatred, etc. there were many of them) and ordered them to leave the people. Immediately I felt VERY strange
and "things" started leaving me. Burping, belching, tears, coughing, dry heaves, etc. I just kept participating and praying in my head for anything "bad" to leave me. This went on for about an hour. By the time the tape was over I felt VERY different. The initial session (and many more after)
enabled me to get free enough from the holds of the enemy to start walking a Christian life.

EL: Do you think that your Mars--mind control and abductions memories would have surfaced in the Clearing sessions if you had NOT done deliverance first?

MR: No. At the time of starting deliverance in 1983, I was too bound up and enslaved to whatever programming I was given in the Navy to ever consider that I actually needed help. It took 13 years of God working on me for me to be ready for clearing. You must remember that not everyone involved in TRV (Tactical Remote Viewing) is chosen for target termination. It takes a certain personality to be effective as an assassin. I was cold, hard and arrogant.

EL: Why do you think you were recruited for the Mars Defense Force while in the Navy in 1976?

MR: It appears that I have been a "lab rat" all my life. Modifications were made to my father, which resulted in me. Modifications (genetic) were made to me at a young age and while growing up. Somewhere along the way I was encouraged (programmed) to join the Navy. The government knew my psychological profile. My father was physically abusive and a
problem drinker (probably because of what they did to him). When I joined the Navy, I was very dedicated and "gung-ho". I substituted the government and the discipline and order for the lack of father figure in my life. I was selected for the Nuclear Power Program after missing one question on the entrance test. I attended basic electronics school at Great
Lakes, IL. During the waiting time for Nuclear Power School, I was assigned as an "instructor assistant". It was during this time I was awakened one night, led to another room and asked if I wanted to VOLUNTEER for a top-secret project. I accepted (they knew I would because of my "special patriotism"). The Mars Records details what happened next.

To answer your question, I was recruited because I have a genetically based talent for Remote Viewing that the government wanted to exploit for its own purposes.

EL: Michael, can you describe some of the training you went through to enhance your psychic abilities? In the Mars Records you describe a type of speed learning used on other Mars Base recruits too. What was this like?

MR: From what I have been able to recall, it was a structured program broken down into different phases. Even after being moved to active duty, training was still a constant requirement. It started very slow and easy in the beginning. There were a lot of different medical tests and collecting of
data to get an idea of my health, strength, etc. The preliminary tests were done and I was subject to certain drugs to enhance my talent. These drugs can kill and cause permanent damage so they are done slowly over a period of weeks. I believe these drugs made permanent changes in the brain and "opened up" certain energy channels, circuits, etc. After
surviving the drugs, more tests are given to see the results of the drugs. Then different speed learning techniques are used to program a lot of information in a short period of time. Then training moves on to "the machines". These machines are amplifiers of Psi abilities. There was some type of surgically inserted "interface" device implanted in my "third
eye" area to allow connection to these machines. There is constant training with the machines as well as calibrations, exercises and tests.

EL: Are you aware of any alter personalities?

MR: Clearing and Kinesiology procedures have uncovered 4
"compartments" each sealed off from the others that have various trainings and duties. We refer to the "real" me as Michael # 1. The others are Michael # 2, Michael # 3, and Michael #4. These compartments are sealed with various codes and passwords that we do not have.

EL: Do you think these alter personalities were created through trauma, as is described by other MC victims such as Andy Pero (of Project Superman-Montauk boy) and Bryce Taylor (Thanks for the Memories-- Monarch Program)?

MR: No. I believe that Psi abilities for these programs are rare and that any trauma could damage the ability. Trauma is old technology. The machines and techniques these people have are hundreds of years beyond that. Remember that I volunteered for this program. I was a willing candidate, serving my country as best as I could.

EL: Michael, your case is interesting in that there are characteristics of both alien abduction related symptomology and signs of MK ultra mind control. I think it's important for others to know that these "experiences" are not an either/or situation, but rather a combination of alien, military
and human involvement. Can you describe some of the "booby traps" you encountered before recovering memories? And importantly, who installed these booby traps?

MR: The outer layers of the "booby traps" were commands to forget, not remember, etc. Next were commands that were distractions that would try to lead us off on a tangent. The next layers were the traps that would hurt me, i.e., heart attack, stroke, organ failures, etc. These traps were installed by whomever did the initial mind programming many years ago.

EL: Stephanie, how did you help Michael get through these "booby traps"?

SR: We found them first by knowing that they would be there. (It only makes sense) Then I muscle tested to see if there were any "booby traps". The body told me that there were at least ten. We then used the "Wernicke's correction" to remove them. It is generally known that research has shown that words are stored in a specific area of the brain. What is not so well known is that there is an equivalent area in the right
half of the brain which is also involved with language. Both these areas are called the Wernicke's area. Experiments have shown that if the Wernicke's area in the left half of the
brain is electrically stimulated during speech, it will interfere with the ability to talk properly, almost halting speech. The same type of stimulation to the Wernicke's area in the right brain, however, causes a person to hear "voices" or "commands". These are usually of an authoritarian or
dictatorial nature, and can be identified as the voice of one who was feared, admired or looked up to by the person being stimulated. The "authorities" who might have put commands into this mind are anyone that we might have looked up to at sometimes. These can include parents, teachers, peers,
politicians, and doctors-and aliens. Have you ever been told to "grow-up", "shut-up", "forget that" or "give up"? Have you ever been told "you're mad", "you're bad", "you're stupid" or "you'll never make it"?

If somebody you thought was powerful or important said "you're too fat","you'll never change", "you'll forget", "don't trust anyone", "you're not good enough", "you'll go to hell" etc., then they may have made an "entry" in your right Wernicke’s area, an implanted command, which is still influencing you to this day! In the case of people who have suffered an abduction experience, the commands have often been implanted INTENTIONALLY with force or drugs to lock them in more securely. Commands such as "you will forget", and "this never happened" and "you dreamed all this" are reasons why the victims have no conscious memory of the event. Booby traps are
commands such as "you will have a heart attack if you remember."

In 1996 an Australian kinesiologist David Bridgeman made an astounding discovery. He realized how to remove negative beliefs and commands from the brain! The key to removing these beliefs is that they are stored in the brain as through another person said them, e.g. "You won't remember". The brain then tries to make sense of a command and translates it, for example, as "I won't remember". This command then interferes with the person. To get rid of the command you must find the
EXACT wording of the command, which in this case is, "YOU won't remember". The specific procedure developed by David Bridgeman enables a person to REMOVE the sabotaging commands from the brain. Instant improvement is generally noted in the person who has done this. This is a simple, revolutionary, and very powerful procedure. If you are interested, send e-mail to me at mentioning the Wernicke's video and I'll put you on a list to be notified when we have produced a video teaching this technique. In the meantime, the technique
is described in the Mars Records.

EL: I know from my own experiences working with abductees, that many distractions and even reprisals occur when they try to access their alien "programming" and abduction memories. How did both of you get around these roadblocks, and did you experience any major reprisals?

MR: We have received psychic attacks fairly often since The Mars Records were released. These attacks take the form of surveillance, monitoring and blocking of clearing sessions, energy "drains" being hooked into each of us, offensive attacks meant to hurt us using radionics, psychotronics and various "death signal" devices as well as RV and psychic attacks while sleeping. In addition, during the monthly "medical check-up" abductions different techniques are tried to discourage us. Such as multiple layers to mind control commands, multiple layers of drugs as well as a new thing,
putting the equivalent drug directly into the "etheric" body. This is especially bad, as most people don't' even know they have energy bodies!

EL: One of the most unbelievable aspects of your story is the age regression and time travel you experienced. What was this like?

MR: The age regression was pure boredom. Being kept in a dreamlike, semi-conscious state for weeks was very boring. That's the only memory I have been able to recall. The 20-year time jump back to 1976 was over before it began. Walking through the tunnel was uneventful.

EL: Tell me about the time travel jumpgates.

MR: I was not a jumpgate technician so I only remember things from a layman's point of view. This technology was a result of the Philadelphia Experiment projects as described by Dr. Al Bielek. It's one of those things that are "Ohh, Wow, Fantastic" the first time you see them, and then they
become taken for granted. I also remember that they were guarded REALLY tight and that every moment of use was accounted for and logged. I remember that there were several jumpgate stations on Mars Base. These stations were "hooked to" other places and they were defended against someone or something. I remember that RV technicians hooked to the machines assisted in that defense. Remember that Tactical Remote Viewing is not only used to terminate targets. Termination is a tiny percentage of all operations. It is used mostly to defend against the enemy. It is used to defend Very Important People (VIP's), Very Important Equipment (VIE's), areas and regions of the planet. In addition, some weapons systems require an RV operator to monitor and direct them.

There are physical weapons systems (example like a particle beam projector) and there are other types of weapons that are energetic (Psi) types of systems. Also RV operators are commonly assigned to monitor attack craft on patrol. The enemy also has Psi types of weapons systems that they direct
against our physical type static shielding. Static shielding doesn't change. It stays the same no matter what you throw at it. To augment the static shielding, you have RV operators that monitor and probe the shields looking for penetration. If penetration is discovered, an RV operator can trace the
source through space-time and deal with the intruder. RV operators on duty are not alone. They have backup operators in addition to supervisor operators, They can instantaneously get backup if the need arises. I have seen many ads for books and courses for remote viewing. Most of what passes for RV at this time is about the first 3 or 4 days of training at Mars Base.

And most people involved in this sort of thing would,
unfortunately never survive the training. The drugs would kill them quick.

EL: One has to wonder then, what could or would have happened if your future Michael, who was working on Mars, somehow came into contact with the present day Michael (on earth) before 1996?

MR: This would NEVER be allowed to happen. The program works the way it does because NO ONE on duty (who will eventually be times hot back to their origin) is permitted to interact with any time event (or person) of earth while stationed on Mars Base. That means that visitors and VIP's are OFF limits. Anyone visiting for a short period is "spending time" on
Mars and will NOT be time shot back to their origin. They will just be moved by jumpgate to and from Mars.

To clarify: Remember there are 2 kinds of people that I remember.

1. People visiting Mars temporarily (Politicians, etc.) They travel to and from Mars by jumpgate. They visit for a few weeks and return. They are not time traveled back. They are VIP's. They are OFF LIMITS!!

2. Permanent staff, They spend 20 years duty cycle. At the end of their duty cycle they are age reversed and time shot back to their space-time origin point. They are sent back with memories blocked. They are sent back to complete their destiny on earth.

EL: Did you recall any "future memories" or strange dreams (before your clearing sessions) of your Mars Defense Base deployment? (In other words, any signs of you being an operative via dreams, hunches, de ja vu's etc.

MR: Only one. Before ever meeting Stephanie, I had an ongoing "joke" that when someone asked about my military experience, I would say "...and I deny working on the Mars Colony". It would always get a laugh. I believe that this was one of the first and strongest mind control commands "leaking through".

EL: What could one look for if they suspect they are in such a position like you were. I mean there must be others involved who have had similar experiences?


1. Memories that don't seem quite "right". Memories that have a 2 dimensional "cartoon like" feel to them.

2. Interest in or understanding of technical things that you can't remember going to school for.

3. Military records showing duty at places that you can't remember.

4. Unusual rage as a result of abductions.

5. Abduction or missing time. Waking up extremely exhausted with marks or bruises on any part of your body.

6. Muscle testing showing that the body has been "taken".

7. Muscle testing showing emotions of "no choice".

EL: Do you think the Greys are working in conjunction with our own human military in the abduction scenario?

MR: Yes

EL: What about the Reptilians?

MR: Yes. They are racially related (Draconians, Reptilians, Greys,)

EL: Do any Greys and Reptilians live on the Mars Base?

MR: Yes, some are stationed there. I remember the Greys as doctors or technicians. I believe the Reptilians stay camouflaged (cloaked) most of the time. They prefer to appear human because they are naturally fierce looking.

EL: One of the more fascinating and disturbing aspects of your experience is the mention of aliens or "bad guy mind controllers" fra

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