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|Posted by: Mark Mar 11 2005, 11:31 PM|
I thought the above article gave much food for thought and soon I shall add to this thread my presentation of:
"What really hit the Pentagon that day?"
But we really could clear it up quickly if we were able to view the video tapes from the security cameras of the local businesses located around the Pentagon that had a clear view of what hit the Pentagon and which were all confiscated by the FBI later that day on 9/11.
Currently, all we have are 5 doctored???, spaced out, selected frames from the Pentagons security camera.
|Posted by: Signer008 Mar 13 2005, 03:21 AM|
| Check out this shockwave video file of a clip from CNN coverage on the morning of 9/11. CNN reporter Jamie McIntyre says he inspected the Pentagon site and it is obvious no plane crashed there:
Transcript from the clip:
|Posted by: Mark Mar 13 2005, 04:44 AM|
| Here's the Pentagon Strike Flash Presentation.
It could be so much better, but it has a few good points.
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/images/pentagon.swf - 3.1 MB
(Right Click on Link and Save Target to Disk or Click to View Online)
|Posted by: Ganesh2005 Mar 13 2005, 07:29 AM|
| Hoy PuPP, (2nd try at this, my hard drive froze up earlier)
Saw a doco the other night on ATN7 Sydney,(didn't catch the name of it) it was the full spin doctored job, fancy graphics etc.
Totally glossed over the missing frames from the surveillance tape. Didn't mention the confiscated tapes from the gas station and the Sheraton. Mostly it focused on the wonderful construction of the Pentagon & interviews with staff about their lucky escape from the abandoned wing.
Also claimed that the wings of the 757 did shear off on impact, but were buried under the rubble....anyone seen photos of this ?
I'm assuming this doco is on full rotation in the States
There's two scary aspects to this, if 9/11 was a total snow job
All the personnel involved in the cleanup and body retrieval must know what's going on here, and if so, then it involves fairly mind-boggling 'debriefing'
If all the planes involved in 9/11 were substituted, then what happened to the original planes...and more importantly, the passengers ?
Creepy stuff, dudes
Peace to all......don't buy in to the fear
|Posted by: Ganesh2005 Mar 13 2005, 08:10 AM|
| Hey PuPP,
Are you on drugs or something?....you made a spelling mistake in the first post !
it's CONFISCATED...not CONFISGATED !!
Still, I suppose one mistake per 50,000 words is pretty good going !
But go and fix it immediately so I can edit this post !
The other interesting thing about that doco was that it showed
a controlled crash test of a passenger jet
Which PROVES that these planes can be remote controlled
Looking forward to your theory on what REALLY hit the Pentagon, PuPP
|Posted by: Signer008 Mar 13 2005, 01:40 PM|
| An interesting analyses can be found at:
It's shows a piece of the landing gear that I hadn't seen on any other picture. Could it be that in order to debunk the story a picture is used that was taken from somewhere else?
Other than that the starter of that thread has quite a convincing story to tell, showing damage near the windows where the wings would have impacted, which I cannot explain otherwise.
|Posted by: Ganesh2005 Mar 13 2005, 03:45 PM|
| Hi Signer,
That Pentagon thread on ATS, was the reason I ran a mile from there, never to return.
There was an admin (Sceptic Overlord) buttin' in ev'ry 3rd post, tellin' people they were idiots for questioning the official version
I wouldn't worry about this guys convincing story....just ask yourself
Where did the wings go after they hit that wall ?
oh, that's right...they got buried in the rubble
See that bit of plastered on concrete that fell off near the window ?
That's what buried the 757 wing....simple innit ?
NEWS FLASH....Electrical fault at FBI Headquarters causes devastating fire....vital 9/11 video evidence goes up in flames......
|Posted by: Mark Mar 16 2005, 12:47 PM|
| Hoy Ganesh, I fixed my post. But you don't have to edit yours. I'm human and I make mistakes too ya know. Thanks for letting me know.
Now how do you spell yauht? (a large boat) LOL
It will be a while, but I will eventually post several photos for analysis of the damage to the Pentagon and well as my speculation.
Definitely some type of aircraft or missile hit the Pentagon and blasted thru several 18 inch reinforced concrete walls.
But if it was a large airliner, there should have been more evidence than the "movie" prop piece of wreckage we have all been shown.
Where's the burn damage on this piece?
IMHO, if a large airliner crashed into the Pentagon, there would be pieces all over the place.
But what is also disturbing is that everyone working on the site afterwards had to know what did or did not hit the Pentagon that day.
Were they all of the alien hive mind and kept silent for the good of the Queen?
Possibly... or were they threatened into silence?
|Posted by: Mark Mar 16 2005, 12:56 PM|
Remote controlled planes have been around at least since WWII.
JFK's older brother was supposed to pilot a plane toward one of Hitlers mountain bunker/factories, bail out and then it would be remote guided to its destination.
Remember, Nazi Germany also had many advanced saucer flying craft.
The bottom line is... America and other nations governments have been hijacked by a small minority.
The base of a Statue of Mary
The back of the US dollar bill.
The truth shall be found in what is not allowed to be discussed or debated.
|Posted by: Mark Mar 12 2006, 08:33 PM|
| Some people scoff at those of us who do not buy into the govts tale that a large airliner crashed into the Pentagon that was piloted by unskilled Arabs.
I look at the evidence of the impact and to me, it appears to be caused by a missile or smaller object which was able to pierce through several reinforced concrete walls.
How convenient that the area that was hit in the Pentagon was holding records regarding the 2.3 to 2.6 TRILLION missing dollars from the Pentagon budget which was 'coincidently' announced by Donald "Aspartame" Rumsfeld on Sept 10th 2001.
I smell a rat... in fact I smell a whole rats nest!
|Posted by: uggliozzi May 17 2006, 09:53 PM|
| The three frames from the last item of the previous post have been shown on Oz TV with the blurb that the images have been released by the PTB to debunk conspiracy theorists.
A white blur to the right of one of the frames is such that no one can postively identify it as an airliner or that it is not an airliner. From an evidenciary point-of-view nothing has changed.
What has changed is that the spin-doctors have released "evidence" which the mindless majority will not question or even watch a second time. Simply because the MM have been told, "this proves that it was a passenger craft", by a government spokeperson, they will believe.
The PTB have so much control that they can resort to this obvious vacuous ploy and get away with it.
|Posted by: Mark May 17 2006, 10:16 PM|
| I waited with anticipation for the NEW news release of more video images of what hit the Pentagon on 9/11.
I almost laughed, but wanted to cry as we were shown images on our tv screens that were grainier and blurrier than the original 5 frames released on the internet almost 5 years ago.
(as shown in my original post above)
Why not just show us some CLEAR IMAGES from the other locations -- like the Citco gas station located across the street from the Pentagon who, along with many other businesses, had their security camera surveilance videos confisgated by the criminal organization known as the FBI, immediately after 9/11 and were never shown to the public.
This article below sums up my opinion quite well.
|Posted by: uggliozzi May 17 2006, 11:20 PM|
| Yep, the populace is being played like a Stradivarius.
After the Oklahoma bombing, the police spent six days investigating and could find nothing to implicate McVeigh. Along comes the FBI which confiscates the same documents investigated by the police and lo! a paper trail leading to McVeigh appears seven days later. After four years, how much trust can be placed in ANY evidence released by the PTB? Four years is long enough to take any footage and doctor it up enough to prove that the Pentagon was actually attacked by Godzilla, the underpants Gnomes or anything they fancy.
Fuel does not explode but rather burns catastrophically. Compare the way the flames occurred on the towers and the pentagon. The towers were struck by aircraft (indisputable) which penetrated the structure before the flames appeared. The pentagon was struck by something which exploded at the moment of impact. Whatever hit the pentagon was tipped with high speed explosives.
|Posted by: Mark May 17 2006, 11:39 PM|
| You would think that after 4 years, TPTB would have produced a CLEAR image of what hit the Pentagon.
Yes, we are all being played for fools.
I can only imagine the amount of arguing and bickering that is taking place on govt (TPTB) controlled forums.
What makes me question the "official version" is the lack of plane debris in front of the Pentagon --- BEFORE the wall fell down.
Here's an image of the Pentagon BEFORE the wall came down --- Where is all of the plane wreckage?
Did it vanish into that small round hole in the Pentagon walls?
Other than the one infamous piece of wreckage on the lawn, I have only seen images of old aircraft parts that were stored in the Pentagon.
Does this piece of aircraft resemble something that was just blown up and burnt to a vapor?
I see no fire, smoke or burn marks on it... it must be a miracle!
Or does it more closely resemble a Hollywood prop, placed on the lawn for photo opportunities?
When you realize that the beings who control our government and also control the USA news media and Hollywood, you get a clearer picture of the deceivers.
|Posted by: Guest May 18 2006, 06:05 AM|
| crime syndicate
read the kratzer report & conclusions
custer is a strange dude
but, he sure does not like the bush clan.
|Posted by: spacie May 19 2006, 05:39 AM|
| so many links...
so little time..
or maybe we have been given all the time we need ????
i hope so.
spacie i am.
|Posted by: Mark Oct 23 2006, 10:37 PM|
| Pentagon Security? Camera Video from 9/11
3 Minutes 12 seconds
At minute 126 in the Google Video, you can see a speck of white for 1 frame.
Here's 11 frames I put together from the Google link of the new government released video from the Pentagon security? camera.
It appears to be a slightly different view than the original 5 frames.
Note: The video contained more than 256 colors so my animation lost some image quality, but the video is extremely poor quality to begin with.
(intentionally of course!)
The newly released video contained no more evidence to show what actually hit the Pentagon that day than the original 5 frames that has been online for 4-5 years. In fact the quality is even poorer than the original 5 frames.
Also, I see evidence of tampering as I assembled the animation frames.
Here's the original 5 frame animation so you can compare.
Here's an enlarged version of the original 5 frames.
|Posted by: Mark Oct 24 2006, 12:34 AM|
| Donald Rumsfeld stated, during an interview with a reporter from Parade Magazine, that the Pentagon had been hit with a missile and the "Let's Roll" plane had been shot down over Pennsylvania.
|Posted by: tyciol Nov 5 2006, 08:40 AM|
| Wow, I always just assumed there had been pictures, it's good to know...
Even so, who would have fired a missle? I think if the wound was self-inflicted they could have easily went to the trouble of using a plane to provide pics.
|Posted by: Mark Sep 21 2010, 10:34 AM|
| Here's a good video I just watched....
Government Confiscated 84 Camera Tapes
The implications are frightening indeed... we've been had!
Eyewitness Missile hit Pentagon on 9/11, No Plane,
Government Confiscated 84 Camera Tapes
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 19 2010, 09:13 AM|
| I've actually done some studying of the situation and have also been on both sides of the fence concerning this issue. Did or didn't a plane hit the Pentagon? And if one did, where's the wreckage? Wreckage? Well what most people fail to realize is that a 757, 767 or just about any other airliner is nothing more than a flying beer can. It's mostly aluminum... Aluminum melts. Put a beer can on the barbi or torch it. It burns rather nicely. Put Aviation fuel or even gas in that can and it's gonna burn really good... Ain't gonna be nothing left of it but maybe some white powder that's gonna blow away in the wind.
What would it look like if a jet crashed into a brick wall? Well I can show you what a military jet crashing into a wall would look like... Watch this...
Jet crash into wall
Images of Jet Crashing Into Wall
Now you see it...
Now You Don't!!!
Looks kind of similar to what was seen in the famous security camera animated gif that I will reference a little further down...
Images from this site:
ERROR: 'Aircraft Crashes Always Leave Large Debris'
Not much left of the jet was there? And in the case of the Pentagon, everyone says that there was just a 13 foot hole and that a jet could not of made it. What they fail to consider is that a 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in high. The length of it is 155 ft 3 in and is like a giant missile... It has some reinforcements since it carries a payload and has a weight of 255,000 pounds with the majority of the weight being in the main 12 ft x 13 ft x 155 ft body. But still it is mostly aluminum so there ain't gonna be much of it left when it burns...
Not sure, but I think that it would have been carrying a full load which would have been 11,489 us gal. And where is that fuel located? In the main body of the jet. So now you got a 1 thousand gallon beer can crashing into what is basically a stone wall... Not a concrete wall... Oh wait a minute... The Pentagon wall was a reinforced concrete wall... But it wasn't as thick as the one in which the fighter jet crashed into so there was some penetration which was a rather nice 13 foot hole and there were also two 52 inch diameter markings, that for some reason, they tried to conceal which meant that something about the size and shape of a commercial jet crashed into the wall.
What seems odd to me is that a lot of the evidence was covered up... There was a gigantic scrape mark that was on the ground which was immediately disturbed and covered which indicated that the object was sliding on its belly across the lawn... The landing gear would of been up... Some of the wreckage was purposely covered up by tarps or mysteriously moved. But there was evidence... In one of the photos there were pieces of metal which had a certain color scheme with paint and primer that matched what would have been used in the construction of a 757...
Photo Exhibit One
Yes members of Above Top Secret did their own investigation as I and also a few of my hard core government conspiracy expert colleagues did and most of us came up with similar conclusions... We also saw evidence of this with flight 800, but in that case, they were just covering up the evidence of a missile impact, which was either a purposeful downing of a commercial jet, which would have been a case of mistaken identity, since another jet, which was delayed, was supposed to be on that same flight path...
The jet that was supposed to be there was one that was carrying French diplomats...
The other scenario that I used was that 800 wandered into a restricted military missilte test area and was impacted by a NAVY missile that was intended to shoot down a drone and that 800 simply got in the way, between the missile and the drone...
Both scenarios would have been plausible and easy to defend, but since the Olympic Games were coming up very soon, the government chose to blame the whole thing on a short in the fuel tank... With that said, I'm no stranger to conspiracies. 800 was over a 1 year investigation for me and I still check any new data that pops up.
I did find it very suspicious that all the military ships did immediately leave the area and were assigned to locations as far away as possible from the area. where the crews could not be questioned...
Don't forget that there is more than one Illuminati family and not all are friendly with one another... WWI, WWII and many other full scale wars were simply little squabbles between some of these families... They're all power hungry, but not all of them were evil, just as not all of the fallen angels were necessarily evil... Some just went along for the ride and were just given the same sentence as the really evil ones were. They would rather play chess with us than just beating up on one another directly so one side sending a plane or two after one of the other families ain't so unimaginable, for lack of a better word.
OK enough of that...
Back to the wreckage. I did say that there were certain paints and primer colors that were used. The primer used on the inside parts was green. Here's a famous piece of wreckage that was found on the lawn, Notice the green primer...
Photo Exhibit Two
This is cool... I helped to distribute the famous ainmated gif from the images of the security camera, but never actually tried to break down the gif and try to match up the object pictured in it with a 757, but luckily someone did...
Animated Gif Comparison
One thing that I did do was show that if you carefully watch the original gif, you will see one of the wheels of the object bounce around... I had a little program called the microsoft gif animator which was a very useful tool that I actually used to discect and build quite a few animated gifs so I could break down the image frame by frame...
Well anyway... Let's take a look at the engine or one of them anyway...
Photo Exhibit Three
OOPS!!! - Green and Yellow primers were used...
The engine was positively identified as a RB211... Not sure but I think it was an RB211 535 which was used in 757's... Yeah that's right... The 747's used the 211-524.
RB211-535 Engine Image
RB211-535 Engine Schematic
Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
Here's another piece of one of the engines...
Photo Exhibit Four - Damaged Engine Part with Comparison Image
Photo Exhibit Five - Exploded Engine Schematic View
Photo Exhibit Six - Another Engine Part
And here is one of the dents that one of the engines made in the side of the Pentagon
Photo Exhibit Seven - Engine Dent
Well that's enough on the engines...
|Posted by: Mark Nov 19 2010, 09:31 AM|
| It would be easier for THEM to simply show us some of the video tapes from the over 80 cameras that captured the event.
I still believe it was a missile and not a large plane.
Here's a video released from a lawsuit...
Rare Pentagon 9-11 Surveillance Camera Video of Impact
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 19 2010, 10:07 AM|
| Back to flight 800 for a moment...
One of my colleagues just sent me this...
Check this out...
I was also told to look at this particular line...
Hell let's just blame 800 on Assganifstan or maybe even Iraq... Are we ready to go invade them yet... No NOT yet... Too early... Damn Olympics would have to be now!!! - Let's just say that it blew itself up... Are You Nuts? Yeah... Faulty wiring... Don't some fire marshals or arson investigators blame some house fires and crap like that on faulty wiring when they don't want to investigate it? Sure they do... So do it!!!
Just a little internal dialog...
There was also a book or novel out at the time that had a scene in it of a man in a boat or something like that and he supposedly shot down a jet with a stinger missile. Not sure when the book came out but it was sometime around the time of the event which was an impossible scenario because stingers just don't have tthe range... Had to be a ship or sub launched one... Much bigger.
Oddly enough there was an episode of a TV show "Lone Gunmen" or something like that which was a spin off of the X-files with the three brainiacs that had the scenario of a smalll plane being remote controlled that was being guided to crash into , believe it or not, the World Trade Center... This episode came out about a year or two before 911.. So there is evidence that they kind of send messages to one another about doing nasty things to people like let us crash something into some buildings or shoot a jet down with a missile... Of course some psychic people could also be picking up on some of these events subconsciously and writing them down in their story lines and novels.
Here it is!!!
It's the most important 10 minutes of video that you'll ever see...
The Lone Gunman, Pilot Episode (Air Date: March 4, 2001)
So it came out a few months before 911 and not a few years before it...
My take on it was that it was a very clear warning, but unfortunately... it was ignored...
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 19 2010, 10:37 AM|
Yes it would be easy if they showed us the footage if they had it... Not sure if the good guys confiscated it or the bad guys did. I fully explored the missile scenario and there were just too many holes in it especially the type of launch vehicle that would of had to be used...
There are some rather hostile factions of the government, including the families themselves and what I see here is that the Rothchilds or some of their relative off-shoots went after the Meravingians going so far as to not only cover-up the truth of the event, but also add incriminating evidence or twist it up so much as to make that family look like the ones that were responsible for it... The situation was so bad that we were a heart beat away from coming under martial law if the one family didn't knock it off. Thanks to the stupidity of that one family, there now exists an executive order that gives the President of the United States sole authority to institute martial law which means that if someone sneezes on any President, that President can immediately put us under a state of martial law. That's why everyone is being so cautious around Obama... Obama does belong to one of the rival families of the Meravingians or whatever they're called. The Meravingians were basically the royal family line BTW... House of Windsor, etc...
It was basically let us in or we'll blow you all into little bitty pieces and do worse things than we do in other countries under our influence... They're basically the uncivialized knuckle-dragging extremeists... Power and respect through Violence and Intimidation types and not the Bread and Circus types that we've been being manipulated by...
I know it because I feel all their emotions and it's in my blood... I could of gone down the path of destruction, but I was awakened to the light. I still have the urges, but have basically become civilized...
Though sometimes I must admit that I would just like to... and just see how much damage that I could actually do, but I have something that most of them don't...
A and a soul...
|Posted by: Mark Nov 19 2010, 11:58 AM|
| We are all blessed with certain gifts in life - one of mine is to be able to see through someones lies, or to be able to look into their eyes and tell they are lying. I make a bad juror, according to the judicial law.
If I believed the 'Official' tale of 9/11 -- this PuPP's Theories website would not even exist and I would not have lost my free stuff site 8 years ago.
I got it back in April and I created a thousand animated gifs
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 19 2010, 01:24 PM|
| Flight 800 was a dress rehersal for us...
Here we go...
The Sea Sparrow Missile
Primary Function: Air-to-air and surface-to-air radar-guided missile
Contractors: Raytheon Co. and General Dynamics
Power Plant: Hercules MK-58 solid-propellant rocket motor
Speed: More than 2,660 mph (4,256 kph)
Range: More than 30 nautical miles (approximately 55 km)
Length: 12 feet (3.64 meters)
Diameter: 8 inches (20.3 cm)
Wingspan: 3 feet 4 inches (one meter)
Warhead: Annular blast fragmentation warhead, 90 pounds (40.5 kg)
Launch Weight: Approximately 500 pounds (225 kg)
Guidance System: Raytheon semi-active on continuous wave or pulsed Doppler radar energy
Date Deployed: 1976
Unit Cost: $165,400
Navy: F-14 and F/A-18;
Air Force: F-4, F-15, and F-16;
Marine Corps: F-4 and F/A-18 http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-spro.html
Primary Function: long-range subsonic cruise missile for striking high value or heavily defended land targets.
Contractor: Raytheon Systems Company, Tucson, Ariz.
Unit Cost: approximately $600,000 (from the last production contract)
Power Plant: Williams International F107-WR-402 cruise turbo-fan engine; CSD/ARC solid-fuel booster
Length: 18 feet 3 inches (5.56 meters); with booster: 20 feet 6 inches (6.25 meters)
Weight: 2,900 pounds (1,315.44 kg); 3,500 pounds (1,587.6 kg) with booster
Diameter: 20.4 inches (51.81 cm)
Wing Span: 8 feet 9 inches (2.67 meters)
Range: 870 nautical miles (1000 statute miles, 1609 km)
Speed: Subsonic - about 550 mph (880 km/h)
Guidance System: TERCOM, DSMAC, and GPS (Block III only)
Warheads: 1,000 pounds or conventional submunitions dispenser with combined effect bomblets.
Date Deployed: 1986 - IOC; 1994 - Block III; 2003 - Tactical Tomahawk® http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-toma.html
The Harpoon missile
Primary Function: Air, surface, or submarine launched anti-surface (anti-ship) cruise missile.
Contractor: The Boeing Company
Power Plant: Teledyne Turbojet and solid propellant booster for surface and submarine launch.
Thrust: 660 pounds (approximately 299.38 kilograms)
Length: 12 feet, 7 inches (3.8354 meters) – air launched; 15 feet (4.572 meters) – surface and submarine launched.
Weight: 1,145 pounds (519.372 kilograms) – air launched; 1,385 pounds (628.236 kilograms) – submarine or ship launched from box or canister launcher.
Diameter: 13.5 inches (34.29 centimeters)
Wing Span: 3 feet (91.44 centimeters) with booster fins and wings.
Range: Over-the-horizon, in excess of 60 nautical miles.
Speed: High Subsonic
Guidance: Sea-skimming cruise monitored by radar altimeter, active radar terminal homing.
Warhead: Penetration high-explosive blast (488 pounds/224 kilograms)
Unit Cost: $720,000
Date Deployed: 1985 http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-harp.html
That's sub based missiles... Could they have been used against the Pentagon... Nope... All too small... The missile would have to be 13 feet in diameter... I might be going out on a limb for saying this, but as far as I know, there isn't any type of missile launched by any platform that would punch a 13 foot diameter hole in a building.
Any sub based or even ship based missile would have made a small hole as seen in this flight 800 image that shows the hole made by what we consider to be a missile with clear traces of explosive residue... The hole is marked in red.
Side of Flight 800 image
The largest missiles that we have are the cruise missiles and none of them have a 13 foot diameter. I think that the largest one is about 2 feet in diameter. And if we did have one that big, there wouldn't be nothing left of the Pentagon...
The evidence for a jet hitting the Pentagon and not a missile is that whatever hit the Pentagon slid into it on its belly... Some people say that there was no evidence of a skid mark...
Well here it is...
Not only that, but the object in question had wings that took out 5 light poles. Bear in mind that if you backed your SUV up hard enough into one of these poles, they would break rather easily... So not a lot of force is required to knock one down...
Light pole 1
Light pole 2
Some people also think that it was an Air Force A3 jet that crashed into the Pentagon, but they've all been accounted for... And besides, there's the Pentagon video gif that I really took a good look at and pointed out the Jet shaped object sliding into the Pentagon on its belly...
It would of looked something like this...
Diagram of scenario
This is the animated gif that I worked with made from the Pentagon security camera:
Look on top of the colum-like object and you will see the tail of the jet... and you will also see in the last frame what appears to be a wheel near the left side of the image.
Here's one of the wheels and it was definitely from a 757...
Pentagon 757 Wheel
757 Wheel Comparison Photo
Both wheels are identical.
10 spoke wheel
8 spoke wheel 757-200
Jet taking off image
Another 757-200 Wheel Comparison Image
I wish I could remember where my colleagues had posted the Pentagon crash information. In my first post I was pretty much doing it from what I remembered...
I actually supported the missile theory at first, but reconsidered it after looking at the actual evidence to the contrary. And it is as I said, there was a cover-up by one faction of the government to frame the other and proposed some pretty intense scenarios which included the missile theory. If Obama releases the missing security videos then it means that the family that he works for or is a part of were the ones who confiscated them in the first place, leaving the Merivingians with nothing much to prove their innoscense in the matter...
|Posted by: Mark Nov 19 2010, 01:45 PM|
| When I saw the lawn right after the impact, there should have been debris, lots of debris carried in by the low flying LARGE airliner, but there was not.
The piece of UNCHARRED wreckage, I have the famous photos of it, was not evidence to me that a plane was there, just a piece of uncrumpled uncharred airplane fuselage.
It's ok if you believe what you do - that is our creator given right -- and I've learned that no one can change our minds - except ourselves. Usually upon reflection and re-examining the events, we may come to a different conclusion.
We all know, the bottom line was something smelled bad and it was coming from our govt.
You know I respect your opinion, as you respect mine - Thanks Darmon Ving
But hey --- What did you think of that 'dirty' missile that was launched off of my So Calif coast last week?
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 19 2010, 01:46 PM|
It's still a conspiracy that was perpetrated by a faction of the ruling class or as Bush called them... His people... and us "The American People...
Or So He Thought...
It could still be an "Inside Job", but there's no reason to believe that they wouldn't use jets to achieve their objectives and kill thousands of what would seem to be their own people...
More easier to believe that the international bankers were responsible for 911, than some idiotic terrorist cell and even if a cell did it, someone bigger was definitely calling the shots.
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 19 2010, 01:53 PM|
Now that one I'm not sure of yet. Been keeping that one at a low simmer, but it's very possible that a sub from most likely China snuck in as close as they dared to come and fired a missile off over their shoulder as a warning to us... It's something that I would do. That was kind of in the back of my mind when I posted the missile sub launch data...
|Posted by: Mark Nov 19 2010, 02:37 PM|
|I was wondering if you were thinking about that, which is why I asked|
|Posted by: Mark Nov 19 2010, 02:45 PM|
| There's a you tube video showing a UFO in the CBS news video before it was edited out.
When I saw the video on CBS news of a plume rising from the ocean off of my so cal coast, I could tell it was a missile.
I do not know if it was China flexing its muscle or not.
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 22 2010, 06:21 AM|
| Not sure about a UFo. Might have been a large helicopter according to ane report, but it seems that there is some talk about the missile being Chinese.
|Posted by: Mark Jul 4 2013, 03:52 AM|
|Nah, there's no conspiracy!|