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Posted by: Mark Oct 28 2005, 09:54 AM
More evidence of an ancient worldwide civilization.

This image, to me, resembles MagIndi's pyramid in his backyard view down in Queensland Australia.

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http://www.alternativnahistorija.com/AH8.htm#5.2


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Archaeologists find European pyramid 
Oct 27, 2005

A team of American and Bosnian archaeologists claim to have found two new pyramids buried under hills in Central Europe.

The scientists say they found ancient labyrinths and other sand stone buildings under two unusually shaped hills in central Bosnia.
 
They believe the ruins indicate the hills were once human settlements, probably built by a stone age "super" civilisation tens of thousands of years ago.
 
They are now trying to locate ancient stairs that would lead them to the entry of the pyramids.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/622605

Posted by: Visiting PuPPs Fan Oct 28 2005, 06:10 PM
and who knows what else they will find, since the fae are widely believed in Europe to live under mounds and hills. Maybe these are gateways?

Posted by: uggliozzi Oct 30 2005, 03:33 PM
Logic suggests that there was a highly developed civilization before or during the last ice age.

This dig needs to be done by scientists with open minds rather than traditionalists who will distort evidence to support their long-held views.

Posted by: JenThom Oct 31 2005, 10:17 AM
QUOTE (PuPP @ Oct 28 2005, 09:54 AM)
More evidence of an ancient worldwide civilization.

Yes there was at least one worldwide culture PuPP. Maybe more. After some major event a lot of it was wiped out. I'm beginning to think that this is what Casey meant when he talked about Atlantis being discovered. It wasn't just one continent that he was talking about. It was a Mega Culture that left traces in all parts of the world I think.

I found a related article about the pyramid that goes into a lot more detail BTW.

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Thursday, October 27, 2005

Pyramid found - in the heart of Bosnia!!

Near the city of Visoko, 30 km north of Sarajevo, there is a stone pyramid of monumental size, claims the Bosnian archeologist Semir Osmanagić, who lives and works in the USA.

After several months of geological and archeological research, Mr. Osmanagić concluded that under the present hill of Visočica hides a stairs-like pyramid, about 12,000 years old. Osmanagić, who intensively researched on pyramids in Americas, Asia and Africa for the last 15 years and wrote several books on the subject, says he's quite sure he found the first pyramid in Europe, which is quite similar to ones in the Southern America.

He believes that the project would completely change Bosnia's significance in the world of archeology.

On the top of "Bosnian pyramid of Sun" was a temple, built by pre-Illyrians, people who lived, according to Osmanagić, 27,000 years ago.

Mr. Osmanagić thinks he will solve the "Bosnian pyramid of Sun" in the next five years, but also prove the existence of "Bosnian pyramid of Moon", lying under the neighboring hill of Križž.

According to BBC, the leading Bosnian newspaper "Dnevni Avaz" writes:


"The pyramid is 100 metres high and there is evidence that it contains rooms and a monumental causeway ... The plateau is built of stone blocks, which indicates the presence at the time of a highly developed civilisation," the daily explains.

"Archaeological excavations near the surface have uncovered a part of a wall and fragments of steps," it reveals.

"Visocica hill could not have been shaped like this by nature," geologist Nada Nukic tells the daily. "This is already far too more than we have anticipated, but we expect a lot more from further analysis," she concludes.


http://dino.avdibeg.dk/blog/2005/10/pyramid-found-in-heart-of-bosnia.html

There's also a report that was broadcast by Reuters TV.

Watch Reuters TV-report at Politiken:
http://politiken.tv/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=384103&ExtID=344


Posted by: Mark Oct 31 2005, 12:04 PM
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On the top of "Bosnian pyramid of Sun" was a temple, built by pre-Illyrians, people who lived, according to Osmanagić, 27,000 years ago.


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Thanx JenThom!

Posted by: uggliozzi Oct 31 2005, 03:46 PM
The article mentions a causeway. It seems to me that the significance of causeways is being paid little attention. Many ancient constructions incorporate a causeway as part of the design. Giza, Stonehenge both have significant causeways. Central american sites have main avenues which play the role of the causeway. Causeways are consistent even though different designs and types of construction are used. Most causeways seem to lead somewhere and many people interpret them as ceremonial parade routes. But what about Stonehenge? The causeway seems to go nowhere.

I think the causeway is central to the sites rather than an add-on. Causeways lead from-to. From where, to where and who travels these causeways? What is the significance of the causeways? I think they relate to an earlier civilization who went somewhere or they are places for the earlier civilization to return.

Posted by: Tex Arcana Nov 2 2005, 10:55 AM
I've looked over Osmanagic's Alternative Archaeology website trying to deduce more information from his photos since the site is in Bosnian or whatever language is spoken there. He seems to have a strong interest in the Maya civilization which may color his interpretation of what he has found. An advanced culture was found in Romania at Dolni Vestonice dating back 23,000 years but it was an early ceramic culture with no signs of advanced masonry. However there was a site in Siberia dating to about the same time which had stone foundations for what was probably a wood or mammoth tusk structure like the one in Romania. If the Bosnian structure is indeed a stepped pyramid I would be more inclined to think it was from the Old European Megalithic of about 5000 BC which also produced such structures as the temples of Malta. More interesting was the fact that stone spheres similar to the ones in Costa Rica have shown up in Europe according to one comment I read on a website discussing the Bosnian pyramid. Other pyramids in Europe such as the ones in Greece seem to be much younger dating perhaps to the Greek occupation of Egypt.

The problem I see with the Bosnian pyramid is that the excavation is being done by amateurs with no apparent skill in objective dating and other methods. This does not discount that the discovery may not be of great importance but unless verifiable evidence is presented this will just be another anomaly which the mainstream can easily dismiss. There is also the question of politics. Apparently this story was printed in a local paper which will print anything on the front page for a price and the owner was involved in the failed construction of an airport which was to rival that in Sarjevo. This is apparently how Reuters got the story according to Bosnian locals who were divided on the question of authenticity. It is something of an issue of nationalistic agendas wherein Bosnia seems to be in a struggle with Greece over cultural politics. All of this just goes to muddy the issue hopelessly for those of us in the West who do not fully understand all the political subcurrents surrounding the facts. It seems to me that if there is any substance to this, the Russian academics who have always been somewhat more open to controversial topics will rush in to show up the Western mainstream. Until more facts are available, I'd tend to take this with the same bags of salt I use regarding stories coming out of Pravda. I wonder if Hancock, Bauval, West or Schoch will investigate this one?

Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 3 2005, 11:57 AM
QUOTE (uggliozzi @ Oct 31 2005, 06:46 PM)
The article mentions a causeway. It seems to me that the significance of causeways is being paid little attention. Many ancient constructions incorporate a causeway as part of the design. Giza, Stonehenge both have significant causeways. Central american sites have main avenues which play the role of the causeway. Causeways are consistent even though different designs and types of construction are used. Most causeways seem to lead somewhere and many people interpret them as ceremonial parade routes. But what about Stonehenge? The causeway seems to go nowhere.

I think the causeway is central to the sites rather than an add-on. Causeways lead from-to. From where, to where and who travels these causeways? What is the significance of the causeways? I think they relate to an earlier civilization who went somewhere or they are places for the earlier civilization to return.

Causeways are an improtant feature in many sites including stonehenge, which I believe has about a 2 mile long one that is in three sections and leads to the river Avon. I was reading somewhere that such causeways are considered to be anomalies.

Well, the causeways that I have found that were key certain sites that I've worked with were primarily constructed for the dead to walk on as far as I know. I remember one site in particular that had two oddly shaped boulders that was bordered on one side by a pre-colonial stone row. North of the boulders, one of which had a curious stone ceremonial platform incorperated into it, was a two foot square hole in the wall. A few years ago, it was discovered that the hole marked the beginning of a causeway. I'm not really sure how long the causeway might have been originally, due to development, but it could have been quite long.

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The problem I see with the Bosnian pyramid is that the excavation is being done by amateurs with no apparent skill in objective dating and other methods. This does not discount that the discovery may not be of great importance but unless verifiable evidence is presented this will just be another anomaly which the mainstream can easily dismiss.


That is a problem Tex. Some of us amaeturs don't have a lot of skill in "objective dating" and other methods that the supposedly professional mainstream archaeological community has but then again, how many mainstreamers would even bother to look at such an anomolous structure and take they discovery of such a structure seriously? Even with verifiable evidence, the mainstreamers, due to their inane doctrines, etc., routinely dismiss just about anything that threatens their paradigm or their best to cover it up.

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There is also the question of politics. Apparently this story was printed in a local paper which will print anything on the front page for a price and the owner was involved in the failed construction of an airport which was to rival that in Sarjevo. This is apparently how Reuters got the story according to Bosnian locals who were divided on the question of authenticity.


That is interesting. There's almost always politics involved with any potential site of archaeological significance, especially if it might stand in the way of development. Of course, for the right price, most mainstreamers that I know of, would look the other way.

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It seems to me that if there is any substance to this, the Russian academics who have always been somewhat more open to controversial topics will rush in to show up the Western mainstream. Until more facts are available, I'd tend to take this with the same bags of salt I use regarding stories coming out of Pravda. I wonder if Hancock, Bauval, West or Schoch will investigate this one?


They might just show up the Western mainstream. Who knows. sweating.gif

I think that there could be something there and don't dismiss the possibility of there being pyramids in places where there not supposed to be because we don't really know who built the pyramids in the first place or when the first pyramids were originally constructed or how many cultures shared their technology with other cultures.

I know who Hancock and Bauval and West are but who is Schoch?

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Author, lecturer, and guide, John Anthony West delivered a seismic shock to archaeology in the early 1990's when he and Boston University geologist Robert Schoch revealed that the Great Sphinx of Giza, Egypt, showed evidence of rainfall erosion.

http://www.jawest.net/

OK, I answered my own question.

I've just begun to look into egyptology and who's doing the research, so I really don't know enough about any of them to trust their observations and findings if they were to venture to see the pyramid anyway. Hopefully they won't send Zahi Hawass to investigate. cheers.gif




Posted by: Tex Arcana Nov 3 2005, 07:13 PM
That is a problem Tex. Some of us amaeturs don't have a lot of skill in "objective dating" and other methods that the supposedly professional mainstream archaeological community has but then again, how many mainstreamers would even bother to look at such an anomolous structure and take they discovery of such a structure seriously? Even with verifiable evidence, the mainstreamers, due to their inane doctrines, etc., routinely dismiss just about anything that threatens their paradigm or their best to cover it up.

That would depend upon the discovery and the professional who was approached. Most of the recent important sites here in Texas have been professionally dug, dated and reported due to initial discovery by amateurs who informed the right professional. A good case in point is the Gault Clovis site, the most extensive and important such site to date with its 10,000 year old inscribed stone plaques and hints at agriculture. This has not always been the case here and it is a far cry from what it could be but I am seeing and participating in a much more cooperative situation than it was even a decade ago. The project director at the site I'm involved with now went toe to toe with the City of Dallas for over a year and did delay the destruction of an Early Man site until it could be excavated and dated. The initial discoverer was an amateur who was persistent enough to keep telling people about this until he talked to the right person. It is more often the construction/commercial interests that have their way in destroying important sites because they have the funding and most archaeology projects do not. However, this same archaeologist I mentioned above has managed to get gas lines rerouted as well as roads due to important discoveries because his company has the county contracts for cultural resource management. Again, it varies greatly from person to person and region to region. I think the upcoming generation of archaeologists will set a whole new standard from their hidebound predecessors.

Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 22 2005, 12:55 PM
Here in Connecticut, the state archaeoloist as well as the majority of the professional archaeologists here are corrupt. One that I had encountered publicly challenged my findings and went so far as to try to drag me through the mud in one of the local newspapers a few years ago. He was supposedly a professional and even taught at one of the local technical schools but moonlighted as an "archaeological consultant" who had been hired by a developer. I stood my ground with him and presented quite a bit of data and up to date references while he was only able to quote sources from the 1970's. Eventually he did lose his teaching position but it was only a minor victory since the whole state archaeology department was still intact.

We're sitting on a pretty major site here in Connecticut that spans over 250 acres with pre-colonial stone rows, perched bolders, standing stones, hundreds of ash burials, altars, at least one solar/astronomical observatory that appears to have been one major cermonial complex with influences by more than one culture and no one has done any real digging there. We spent over 10 years just cataloging what was above ground and looking for any sites that might yield artifacts. These are just two artifacts that were accidentally discovered.

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Ever seen anything like them before Tex?

Posted by: Tex Arcana Nov 26 2005, 04:05 PM
The lower one is a little out of focus but it is somewhat similar to the painted pebbles of Central Texas dating to around the middle to late Archaic. None of the ones I've seen are sculpted, though. Can you show some different angles on these so that we can get a better idea of what they look like "in the round"?

I'm familiar with some of the problems faced with regard to the megaliths of New England. Are you a member of NEARA? Also are any of the underground structures which the mainstream tries to write off as colonial root cellars in the area you are examining? And do they have a large quartz set in the back wall? What era do you think the ones you're looking at date to?

Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 27 2005, 09:08 PM
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Can you show some different angles on these so that we can get a better idea of what they look like "in the round"?


I was going to take shots from different angles Tex, but I've just got front and back. Basically it's a little more than an inch thick with a finger notch in the back and a worn spot where my thumb is.

This is another image of the other face. The other image of it was created using a modified b/w hand scanner BTW.

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This one's composed of a type of quartz. Very difficult to carve.

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I'm familiar with some of the problems faced with regard to the megaliths of New England. Are you a member of NEARA?


Yes I just happen to be a card carrying member of NEARA but haven't worked with them in a while. Had some other problems to take care if but now I'm getting ready to pick up where I left off and work with them again. headbanger.gif

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Also are any of the underground structures which the mainstream tries to write off as colonial root cellars in the area you are examining?


In the area that I'm examining, there are no chambers due mainly to the type of terrain. Too many hills for a clear shot of the sun. However, one astronomical site was compared to a chamber site in the Hudson Valley region and the layout of both the sites was nearly identical with several similarities between the two. There were supposed to have been chambers somewhere around here, but they were said to havee been mis-identified as root cellars and destroyed a long time ago. However, a chamber site was located by NEARA less than 5 miles from where I'm doing my research.

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And do they have a large quartz set in the back wall?


I'd have to look at my notes but right off the top of my head, the walls of the ones that I've examined are composed of granite, quartz and limestone. The ceilings are composed of schist and gneiss. scratchinghead.gif

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What era do you think the ones you're looking at date to?


Difficult to tell but I'd say mine seem to be older than the Hudson Valley sites circa 4 to 6,000 BC but it's difficult to say for sure. The main astronomical site does have charcoal deposits within its interior that could be carbon dated I suppose. chinscratch.gif This is what they built instead of a chamber. 13 stone slabs with the opening facing 220 degrees.

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Posted by: does it metter?? Dec 26 2005, 12:39 PM
[B][SIZE=14][FONT=Courier][COLOR=red]I'm tired of people that underestimate everything connected to bosnians! Half of you think: "It can't be truth, something like that can't be in bosnia and bosnian people are not capable to discovere something like that". You should first give someone chance to prove himself before you judge him! But no, you wouldn't do that just because he's a bosnian. Well you can underestimate bosnian people, but your atitude and behaving shows that only you here seem to be primitive

Posted by: Tex Arcana Dec 27 2005, 08:06 AM
Osmanagic has been living in Houston long enough that we must assume he is a naturalized Texan by now. Why don't you just drop the Bosnian persecution gambit" does it matter"? It's not an issue here where the posters hail from all over the planet. The Bosnian pyramids get the same scrutiny any other site does and the jury is still out on the Bosnian pyramids. You are inventing a bias against Bosnia that does not exist here. Yeah, I'm primitive; I never denied being from Texas. winkNEW.gif

Posted by: DarmonVing Dec 28 2005, 12:01 PM
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I'm tired of people that underestimate everything connected to bosnians! Half of you think: "It can't be truth, something like that can't be in bosnia and bosnian people are not capable to discovere something like that".


I really don't doubt that there is a pyramid in Bosnia. Pyramids and similar structures have been found all over the world.

For example:

Chinese Pyramids
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"Great White Pyramid" of "Xian,China" is the "Worlds Largest Pyramid". It is reported to be about 300 meters high.

It is found in Tibet - located in the Qin Ling Shan mountains, about100 km southwest of the city of Xi'an, in the People's Republic of China.

Life Magazine had a picture of this Tibetan Pyramid taken in 1957. The first picture to be seen here was taken from a C-54 in world war II by a pilot who flew supplies through the Himalaya Mountain terrain as a volunteer helping the Chinese.

Hartwig Hausdorf, a researcher in Germany, sent over photographs from his collection, taken during his 1994 trip to the Forbidden Zone in The Shensi Province in China.

Estimates for an age are 4,500 years old. Hausdorf mentions the diaries of two Australian traders who, in 1912, met an old Buddhist monk who told them these pyramids are mentioned in the 5,000 year old records of his monastery as being "very old."

http://www.crystalinks.com/pyramidchina.html

Pyramid Hill on the northern plains of Victoria Australia
http://www.pyramidhill.info/


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Global Distribution.

Despite the prominence of the (Great) Pyramids at Giza, the most extraordinary concentration of large pyramids is not in Egypt but in Central America. In Mexico, Belize, and Guatemala, along with neighbouring San Salvador and Honduras, well over 3000 pyramids have so far been identified and the number keeps climbing as the fast-growing jungle vegetation reluctantly releases its secrets.


From Peru to the Canadian border, there are (at least) seven giant pyramids in the Americas comparable in area and volume to the Great Pyramids of Giza. Another of similar size is reported in Xian Province in southwest China, taking the number of these super-gigantic structures to 10. The Great Pyramids are twice as high and built far greater perfection than the others but they are all at least 200m square at the base, or larger, and many are far greater in total volume.


http://pyramids.nipl.net/pyramids/ch03.html

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11:30 2002-06-19

So, pyramids, or something else?

A joint expedition of Russian and Uzbek archaeologists has discovered several ancient pyramids in Uzbekistan.

According to the scientists, these 15-metre-high constructions concealed for human eyes may be at least 2,700 years old. The ancient pyramids were discovered in a remote mountains area, in Kashkadaryin and Samarkand regions, in the south of the country, BBC reports.

Archaeologists state that the discovered pyramids are similar to that ones of Giza, Egypt, though in contrast of them, Uzbek pyramids they have a flat surface.

According to the experts, thanks to their remoteness, the pyramids were not taken to pieces to serve as a building material for a later epoch.

Though it is not obligatory, that the Uzbek pyramids had the same purpose as the Egyptian ones. That could be religious constructions, all the more that they are almost two times younger. Pyramids were also built in Northern America, in Africa, by ancient Ethiopians, while Mesopotamian pyramidal towers are also sometimes compared with Egyptian pyramids, however in scientific circles this considered to be incorrect.

According to archaeologists, if the constructions are really pyramids, this is a very important discovery, taking into account that nothing of the kind was found in this area before. Now, the task of the scientist is to link the find with chronology and known local cults, to clear up what was the purpose of these constructions: tombs, temples, or something else…


http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/06/19/30639.html

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You should first give someone chance to prove himself before you judge him! But no, you wouldn't do that just because he's a bosnian. Well you can underestimate bosnian people, but your atitude and behaving shows that only you here seem to be primitive


I don't underestimate anyone... and he's certainly putting up one hell of a fight.

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Is Bosnian hill actually an ancient pyramid?

Archaeologists study mound — but hold off from conclusions

Bosnian archaeologist Semir Osmanagic and other experts are studying Visocica hill, the promontory in the background, to determine whether it could be the top of an ancient pyramid.

By Aida Cerkez-Robinson

Updated: 11:58 a.m. ET Dec. 5, 2005

VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina - With eyes trained to recognize pyramids hidden in the hills of El Salvador, Mexico and Peru, Semir Osmanagic has been drawn to the mound overlooking this central Bosnian town.

"It has all the elements: four perfectly shaped slopes pointing toward the cardinal points, a flat top and an entrance complex," he said, gazing at the hill and wondering what lies beneath.

No pyramids are known in Europe, and there is no evidence any ancient civilization there ever attempted to build one.

But Osmanagic, a Bosnian archaeologist who has spent the last 15 years studying the pyramids of Latin America, suspects there is one here in his Balkan homeland.

"We have already dug out stone blocks which I believe are covering the pyramid," he said. "We found a paved entrance plateau and discovered underground tunnels. You don't have to be an expert to realize what this is."

Osmanagic, 45, who now lives in Houston, is personally financing excavations at the Visocica hill, a 2,120-foot (646-meter) hump outside Visoko, a town about 20 miles (32 kilometers) northwest of the capital, Sarajevo.

He learned about the hill in April from Senad Hodovic, director of a museum devoted to the history of Visoko, which is rich in Bronze Age and medieval artifacts. Hodovic had attended a promotion of an Osmanagic book about ancient civilizations and thought he would like to see Visoko's pyramid-shaped hill.

When the pair climbed the hill, the sweeping view revealed a second, smaller pyramid-shaped hill. It reminded Osmanagic of pairs of pyramids he has seen in Latin America that together create a gateway into a valley.

15 anomalies found

After obtaining a permit to research the site, which is protected by the state as a national monument, the first probes of the main hill were carried out this summer at six points. Nadja Nukic, a geologist involved in the research, said she found 15 anomalies suggesting that some layers of the hill were human-made.

"We found layers of what we call 'bad concrete,' a definitely unnatural mixture of gravel once used to form blocks with which this hill was covered," Osmanagic said.

"The hill was already there," he added. "Some ancient civilization just shaped it and then coated it with this primitive concrete — and there you have a pyramid."

Small-scale excavations continued until early November, when winter set in, with the work focusing on what Osmanagic theorizes may have been the entrance to a pyramid-shaped temple.

Built by Illyrians?

Osmanagic believes the hill was shaped by the Illyrian people, who inhabited the Balkan peninsula long before Slavic tribes conquered it around A.D. 600. Little is known about the Illyrians, but Osmanagic thinks they were more sophisticated than many experts have suggested.

Nukic, who has walked up and down the hill several times, said she noticed symmetrical platforms in the slopes — indentations that Osmanagic believes are steps built into the pyramid.

A local businessman who bought a lot at the foot of the hill and brought in a bulldozer to dig the foundation for a house, meanwhile, unearthed manmade sandstone plates that the archaeologists think may have been paving stones.

Anthropologists say the Visoko valley already offers ample evidence of organized human settlements dating back 7,000 years. The town was Bosnia's capital during the Middle Ages, and German archaeologists working the valley recently found 24,000 Neolithic artifacts just three feet below the surface.

‘No fast conclusions, please’

Osmanagic is taking a cautious approach about the hill.

"No fast conclusions, please. The evidence has to be firm, at least beyond a reasonable doubt," he said.

"Not that I don't believe in a pyramid here," he added. "This place was always called 'Pyramid' by the local population. But we have to prove that this is not a natural shape."

He thinks, however, that the shape of the hill speaks for itself.

"God can make many things, but such perfectly geometrically formed slopes, pointing exactly toward the north, south, east and west — if he did that, well, that's phenomenal itself."

Posted by: DarmonVing Dec 28 2005, 12:18 PM
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Wednesday, December 07, 2005

A Pyramid in Bosnia?

There is no resolution to this story as of today, but it will be interesting to watch as this story unfolds. For now, let me say I am a bit skeptical, and I invite the readers with expertise (archaeologists, for instance) to chime in.

From BBC, comes this (a couple of months ago):...

http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/2005/12/pyramid-in-bosnia_07.html

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Sun. December 4, 2005

Bosnia hill may house pyramid

By Aida Cerkez-Robinson
Associated Press
 

With eyes trained to recognize pyramids hidden in the hills of El Salvador, Mexico and Peru, Semir Osmanagic has been drawn to the mound overlooking this central Bosnian town.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/12042005/world/76351.htm

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Monday, Nov 21, 2005

Bosnian Explorer Finds 'Europe's First Pyramids'

Bosnian explorer Semir Osmanagic is convinced he has found Europe's first pyramids which he says are a new world wonder dating back to ancient times.

"I was amazed when I first saw them. I'm deeply convinced now that this is the work of an ancient civilisation built many thousands of years ago," he said while observing an area he excavated north of Sarajevo.

The 45-year-old is so certain two pyramids are hidden in Visoko valley that he has spent some 16,000 euros (20,000 dollars) researching the area, located either side of a river about 30 kilometres (18 miles) from the Bosnian capital.

Residents of the nearby town of Visoko have long known about the presence of the two structures they always referred to as 'pyramids' but none of them was ever intrigued enough to investigate further.


http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit11212005/places.asp

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Unnatural hill gains attention

Archaeologist thinks dirt may be covering up pyramid in his Balkan homeland
By Aida Cerkez-Robinson
ASSOCIATED PRESS

Sunday, December 04, 2005

VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzego-vina — With eyes trained to recognize pyramids hidden in the hills of El Salvador, Mexico and Peru, Semir Osmanagic has been drawn to the mound overlooking this central Bosnian town.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/world/12/4PyramidMystery.html

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Semir Osmanagic shows excavated stone slabs


chinscratch.gif That looks like a puzzlestone to me... That's what I call them anyway... Got a few similar ones here... Never could figure out what they were for though but kind of suspected that they might of been some type of burial. Just seeing that stone there has piqued my curiosity.


Posted by: uggliozzi Jan 19 2006, 06:25 PM
Australian in Bosnia pyramid riddle
Friday Jan 20 07:40 AEDT


Australian archaeologist Royce Richards is among a team preparing to look for the truth behind a theory that Bosnia-Herzegovina has an ancient pyramid.

Archaeologists from Australia, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, and Slovenia will begin excavation work in April on the Visocica hill, 32 kilometres north-west of Sarajevo.

The hill is quite symmetrical, and the theory that it was once a pyramid is supported by preliminary investigations.

If true, it would rewrite world history, putting Europe alongside South America and of course Egypt as homes of ancient pyramids.

Bosnian Semir Osmanagic put forward his theory last year that a 100 metre geometrically-shaped hill with evenly shaped sides and corners that point north, south, east and west is an ancient man-made edifice.

Osmanagic, who has spent 15 years studying the pyramids of the Americas is convinced the hill is a genuine man-made pyramid from an ancient civilization.

His preliminary excavations shows what he believes is evidence that the earth has been shaped to form a pyramid and covered in prehistoric concrete and stone blocks.

"We have already dug out stone blocks which I believe are covering the pyramid," Osmanagic said.

"We found a paved entrance plateau and discovered underground tunnels.

"You don't have to be an expert to realise what this is."

Osmanagic's assertions have been supported by experts studying aerial and satellite images.

Theorists believe the Illyrian people who inhabited the Balkan region before the conquering Slavic tribes overran them about 1,400 years ago had the sophistication to shape a hill into a pyramid.

Excavation work to test Osmanagic's theory will begin on April 14 in the Visoko region and is expected to continue until October and the rugged mountainous area has become an archaeological park.


©AAP 2006

Posted by: DarmonVing Jan 23 2006, 01:20 PM
Semir Osmanagic has his own site now.

http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/

Posted by: doesn't matter Jan 29 2006, 02:17 AM
I've never wanted to start a fight or something like that, but if you were me you would probably act the similar way. You see, if there is someone who should be sceptic about all this it's bosnian people because people in bosnia are not used to the fact that good things happen to them and it's obvious why, so if there is someone who is surprised with this possibility of having a pyramid it's bosnian people. But, whatever, I pass by that Visocica hill almost every day when I go to Sarajevo, and trust me, you would be amazed of how much it reminds of a pyramid....it's remarkable....




Posted by: DarmonVing Jan 30 2006, 08:03 PM
eyeball.gif I'm almost tempted to go there myself...

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Posted by: doesn't metter Jan 31 2006, 05:52 AM
you're tempted to go there yourself? well, where are u from?

Posted by: DarmonVing Feb 1 2006, 10:16 PM
QUOTE (doesn't metter @ Jan 31 2006, 08:52 AM)
you're tempted to go there yourself? well, where are u from?

I'd be flying in all the way from the East Coast of the US so it would take me a while to get there... and would probably cost me a few bucks too but I'd almost certainly find something there... if I did go there... I'll have to check on the logistics... That puzzlestone is just so interesting to me that I might just have to take a closer look at it...

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It's calling me.

blinkNEW.gif That one stone on the lower right side almost looks like it has a reflector basin carved into the front of it...

Posted by: doesn't metter Feb 4 2006, 09:16 AM
well, it would cost u probably a few bucks, but if it appears to be pyramid 100% in a few months, than it will cost much more to spend time here....though in bosnia everything is so cheap now for foreigners....anyway....if u decide to come, there's much more to see in bosnia beside the possible pyramid .... :-)

Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 14 2006, 04:24 PM
Looks like the Bosnian Pyramid is the real deal after all! Geologists, archaeologists and coal miners entered the tunnels beneath the pyramid today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12320566/from/RSS/
Congratulations to Osmanagic!!

Posted by: uggliozzi Apr 15 2006, 02:54 PM
Damn link keeps trashing my browser.

Well is it a proper pyramid or a burial mound? Either way it will put the cat amongst the pigeons. How I wish I could afford to go.

Slowly - slowly - the truth is starting to emerge.

Posted by: Mark Apr 15 2006, 05:37 PM
uggliozzi, that's why I don't go to many of the mainstream media sites, because they cause me browser problems.

The MSN link posted by Tex connected me to about 20 IP addresses. I blocked about 2 dozen cookies and Active X tried to run, but eventually the page opened for me.

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"The People cannot be safe without information. When the PRESS is FREE, and every man is able to read, all is safe."
~ Thomas Jefferson, President of the United States 


Here's the article...

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Scientists begin dig at Bosnian ‘pyramid’
AP NEWS
By Aida Cerkez-Robinson
April 14, 2006
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History-laden hill contains human-made tunnels, researchers say


Workers construct a temporary office near Visocica hill in central Bosnia on Thursday. The office is to be used by an archaeological team that is searching for traces of an ancient pyramid.
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Danilo Krstanovic / Reuters

VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina - Archaeologists began digging Friday for what they hope is an ancient pyramid hidden beneath a mysterious Bosnian hill that has long been the subject of legend.

The Bosnian archaeologist leading the work says the 2,120-foot (650-meter) mound rising above the small town of Visoko resembles pyramid sites in Latin America that he has studied. It would be the first pyramid ever discovered in Europe.

Initial research on the hill, known as Visocica, found that it has perfectly shaped, 45-degree slopes pointing toward the cardinal points and a flat top. Under layers of dirt, workers discovered a paved entrance plateau, entrances to tunnels and large stone blocks that might be part of a pyramid's outer surface.

Satellite photographs and thermal imaging revealed two other, smaller pyramid-shaped hills in the Visoko Valley.

Friday's excavations began with a team of rescue workers from a nearby coal mine being sent into a tunnel believed to be part of an underground network connecting the three hills.

They were followed by archaeologists, geologists and other experts who emerged from the tunnel later to declare that it was certainly human-made.

"This is definitely not a natural formation," said geologist Nadja Nukic.

Weeks of work ahead
The teams descended about 260 meters (yards) into the tunnel but found the rest of the way blocked by a cave-in. The tunnel is thought to be 2.4 miles (3.8 kilometers) long, and the team found two intersections with other tunnels leading off to the left and right.

Other teams began digging 10 shafts at several spots to see if they will run into stone blocks below the slopes of the hill.

The work will continue for about six months at the site just outside Visoko, about 20 miles (30 kilometers) northwest of the capital, Sarajevo. Two experts from Egypt are due to join the team in mid-May.

"We expect the first raw results in about three weeks," said Semir Osmanagic, the Bosnian archaeologist leading the project.

Millennia-old legends
Locals have held many legends about the hill, but Osmanagic, who spent the last 15 years studying the pyramids of Latin America, was the first to suggest that Visocica could be hiding a pyramid.

Anthropologists say the Visoko Valley already offers ample evidence of organized human settlements dating back 7,000 years. The town was Bosnia's capital during the Middle Ages, and German archaeologists working the valley recently found 24,000 Neolithic artifacts just 3 feet (1 meter) below ground.

Osmanagic claims Visocica is a classic example of cultures building on the top of other cultures.

A medieval fortress used by Bosnian kings for two centuries sits on top of the Visocica hill. The fortress was built over a Roman Empire observation post, which was built on the ruins of an Illyrian settlement. The Illyrians inhabited the Balkan peninsula long before Slavic tribes conquered it around A.D. 600.

No pyramids are known in Europe, and there is no evidence any ancient civilization there ever attempted to build one.

Osmanagic believes Visocica is hiding one, though he has no solid theories on how old it is or who might have built it. Osmanagic quickly named the three hills the Pyramids of the Sun, Moon and Dragon.

Tacky souvenirs for tourists
The locals were quick to catch on to the excitement, offering a tacky assortment of pyramid souvenirs for sale to curious visitors.

An unemployed car mechanic from Visoko, Ensad Husic, 36, joined Friday's excavation work in hopes the team will eventually prove Visocica is a pyramid. He sees the project as a job opportunity. "One can already feel the town is busy. I would not be here if I would not believe it is one," he said.

The first tourists are already arriving.

Dirk Wientges, 39, from Rosenheim, Germany, discovered the story about the possible pyramid on the Internet and brought his family over Easter to Visoko.

"We were curious. This is a beautiful country, and I would be happy for it if it would prove this is true. For once one can see Bosnia being mentioned in media in a positive light," he said.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12320566/from/RSS/

Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 15 2006, 09:48 PM
I seldom go to any MSN story because it takes so long to load; I was not aware of all the things PuPP mentioned, going on in the background. My revulsion toward MSN is for other reasons, but in this case they had the most update information on the entry into the tunnel. Of course, skeptics are already focusing on the nationalistic and commercial motivations mentioned at the end of the article rather than in the geologist's and archaeologist's initial statement that the branching tunnel was artificial. Expect the mindscape battles to intensify as more information becomes available.

Posted by: uggliozzi Apr 16 2006, 02:30 PM
Two experts from Egypt worries me. Whatever the agenda of these two I doubt that it is scientific examination and revelation. Once they get their claws into the project I won't be able to trust any "findings".

A 3.8 Km tunnel does not sound like a burial mound or a traditional pyramid. This could be from the pre-ice age civilization that I have long suspected seeded our current history.

Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 16 2006, 05:29 PM
Uggliozzi wrote:
<Two experts from Egypt worries me. Whatever the agenda of these two I doubt that it is scientific examination and revelation. Once they get their claws into the project I won't be able to trust any "findings".

A 3.8 Km tunnel does not sound like a burial mound or a traditional pyramid. This could be from the pre-ice age civilization that I have long suspected seeded our current history.>

Your suspicions seem reasonable, Uggliozzi.

Posted by: Mark Apr 16 2006, 09:38 PM
Hey Tex, I got to thinking.... have you ever made a connection to wars and conquest in ancient lands?

I recall the Bosnia and Serb wars in our snooze media back in the 90s.

I wonder, are some of these wars fueled by what can be gained from recovering ancient knowledge?

Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 17 2006, 09:08 AM
You will find references to those places in Voltaire's "Candide" as well as cynical references to incidents that could as well apply to the recent conflicts of the 80's and 90's. Some places such as Vietnam, Afghanistan and the Middle East to name a few are in a state of seemingly perpetual conflict which I think has more to do with their geographical location as crossroads of culture than any search for ancient knowedge.

Needless to say, places like Alexandria, Nineveh and Anau just happen to be repositories of ancient knowledge as well.

Posted by: doesn't matter May 8 2006, 11:14 AM
well, if you've red any of my posts you know I'm from bosnia and very enthusiastic because it's my country all this is about. I've loved my country even during living in basement because of war, how could I not love it now, but that's not the only reason I believe that what we have are pyramids. As I've said before they even started excavations, if u just see those hills with your own eyes you can't have any doubts so I truly hope you'll be able to come and see it, all of u! And if you can afford trip, you can afford and staying here because accomodation, food and everything else is really cheap for anyone coming from foreign countries because our standards are far beyond standard of other Europe's countries....so...hope to see u walking aronud Bosnian pyramid smileNew4.gif

Posted by: DarmonVing May 14 2006, 02:08 PM
QUOTE (PuPP @ Apr 17 2006, 12:38 AM)
I wonder, are some of these wars fueled by what can be gained from recovering ancient knowledge?

When the wars started over there, I was kind of wondering the same thing... I think that it is very possible that they could be looking for the ancient knowledge and technology but I really don't think they're looking in any of the right places for it...

Posted by: doesn't matter May 22 2006, 09:50 AM
sorry DarmonVing, but you're not right, reasons for war are well known, and ancient treasure is not any of reasons for it...but we're still alive, we found a pyramid and we we had the best song on eurosong this year (thoguh we were third) and we're fighiting for better tomorrow....

Posted by: Black Jack Jun 10 2006, 09:08 AM
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British expert nixes Bosnia pyramid claim

By AIDA CERKEZ-ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Sat Jun 10, 7:08 AM ET

SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina - A British archaeologist on Friday rejected claims that a hill in central Bosnia is a man-made structure that many local residents insist is a pyramid.

Professor Anthony Harding, who is president of the European Association of Archaeologists, visited Visocica hill and said the formation was natural.

"Not any evidence at all has been found" to support the claim the site would be an archaeological site, he said.

No pyramids are known in Europe, and there are no records of any ancient civilization on the continent ever attempting to build one.

The pyramid theory was launched by an amateur researcher last year but it has been disputed by a number of local and international experts, who claim that at no time in Bosnia's history did the region have a civilization able to build monumental structures. They say the hill is simply a strange natural formation.

Nevertheless, Semir Osmanagic, the amateur Bosnian archaeologist who has been investigating Latin American pyramids for 15 years, organized excavations to Visocica, about 20 miles northwest of Sarajevo, in April.

His team — made up mostly of volunteers, found that the 2,120-foot hill has 45-degree slopes pointing toward the cardinal points and a flat top. Under layers of dirt, workers discovered a paved entrance plateau, entrances to tunnels and large stone blocks.

Egyptian geologist Aly Abd Alla Barakat, who arrived in May to check on Osmanagic's claims said the structure is "man made" and worth investigating.

"My opinion is that this is a type of pyramid, probably a primitive pyramid," said Barakat, a geologist from the Egyptian Mineral Resource Authority.

However, Harding, who said he visited the site briefly on Thursday and looked at the same stone blocks Barakat said were man made, said on Friday they were a natural formation.

"I've seen the site, in my opinion it is entirely natural," he told reporters in Sarajevo. Harding did not visit other sites in the area which Osmanagic and Barakat say are further evidence of the existence of pyramids in Bosnia, such as a tunnel leading to the top of Visocica or a stone pavement made of geometrically regular shaped pieces.

Harding said that although he had not seen the stone pavement, by looking at photographs, "I would not believe it to be archaeological. It looks to me as a natural stone pavement." He did not visit the tunnel either.

But Barakat, an expert in the stone blocks used to build ancient pyramids in Egypt, has recommended more experts visit the site. An archaeologist from Egypt is scheduled to visit the site this month.

The theory of a pyramid has sparked intense interest in Bosnia, with local residents seeking to cash in on the craze; restaurants serve meals in triangle-shaped plates, artisans make pyramid-shaped wooden key-chains, shopkeepers sell T-shirts saying "I have a pyramid in my backyard."

When asked to comment on Harding's statement, Mario Gerussi, the director of Osmanagic's team leading the excavations, said the team had not been informed of the timing of Harding's visit and that none of the staff at the site had seen him there.

Harding specializes in the European Bronze Age, and has led excavations in Poland and the Czech Republic as well as in Britain.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_sc/bosnia_pyramid_controversy;_ylt=As6TFkAU4hgOnpUamD0jzt6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-


Posted by: doesn't metter Jun 10 2006, 09:49 AM
ok Black Jack, very nice statements you added here, but what's your belief? You believe it or not?

Posted by: Black Jack Jun 10 2006, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (doesn't metter @ Jun 10 2006, 09:49 AM)
ok Black Jack,  very nice statements you added here, but what's your belief? You believe it or not?

Not sure, I'm still reading up on this one. Just looking at the 'pyramid' from the pics it really does look like a man-made structure. I was reading about this on a thread at another forum, but your first hand experience with this has converted me to this version of the discussion.

Posted by: Guest Jun 11 2006, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (Black Jack @ Jun 10 2006, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (doesn't metter @ Jun 10 2006, 09:49 AM)
ok Black Jack,  very nice statements you added here, but what's your belief? You believe it or not?

Not sure, I'm still reading up on this one. Just looking at the 'pyramid' from the pics it really does look like a man-made structure. I was reading about this on a thread at another forum, but your first hand experience with this has converted me to this version of the discussion.

hope you'll get your own first hand experience, once you come and see it you'll have no doubts....you're welcome...




http://www.piramidasunca.ba


Posted by: Mark Jun 17 2006, 12:36 AM
I believe that the truth will eventually emerge if examination is allowed.

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Bosnia "Pyramid" Is Not Human-Made, U.K. Expert Says - A war of words continues to rage over the alleged discovery of an ancient pyramid in Bosnia.
Sean Markey
for National Geographic News
June 13, 2006
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Bosnian-American pyramid buff Semir "Sam" Osmanagic claims a four-sided hill in the town of Visoko is Europe's first known pyramid, larger than any ever built in Egypt.

But in the latest salvo in this battle, the president of the European Association of Archaeologists said on Friday that he had visited the 700-foot (213-meter) hill and saw no evidence that it was human-made.

Speaking at a press conference in Sarajevo, Anthony Harding told reporters the pyramid-shaped hill was a natural phenomenon.

"My opinion and the opinion of my colleagues is what we saw was entirely geological in nature," the AFP news agency quoted him as saying.

"Further work of the same kind would simply produce the same results. I don't think it would change any view about what the nature of the hill is," he said.

Harding, an archaeology professor at England's University of Exeter, visited Visoko, 18 miles (30 kilometers) from Sarajevo, on Thursday.

European Pyramid?

In April 2006 the Houston-based Osmanagic and a mostly volunteer crew began limited excavations in the area and drilled exploratory wells.

The team uncovered what they describe as large stone blocks shaped by human hands and a network of tunnels fronted by a wide, paved entranceway.

Osmanagic has speculated that Illyrians-ancient ancestors of today's Albanians-could have built the alleged pyramid perhaps as early as 12,000 years ago during the last ice age.

Last month Osmanagic told National Geographic News that he was "100 percent convinced" that the pyramid was real.

Those claims have drawn near unanimous contempt from professional archaeologists.

Harding, an expert on Bronze Age Europe, has dismissed Osmanagic's theories as "wacky" and "absurd."

Balkan prehistory expert Curtis Runnels, an archaeologist at Boston University and editor of the Journal of Field Archaeology, joins the chorus of skeptics.

"Mr. Osmangic offers no concrete physical evidence to support his claims, despite the fact that they are fantastic," he said.

"[T]he area was in fact occupied by Upper Paleolithic hunter-gatherers with a Stone Age technology sufficient for building fires, tents, and simple hunting implements like bows and arrows."

"They were not pyramid builders."

Recent Twist

In another recent twist, wire reports quoted Aly Abd Alla Barakat, a geologist with the Egyptian Mineral Resources Authority.

Barakat, who visited the hill at the behest of Osmanagic's team, told the Associated Press late last week, "My opinion is that this is a type of pyramid, probably a primitive pyramid."

To the AFP, he said: "The white stuff I found between the blocks could be a glue. It is very similar to that we have found in the Giza pyramids."

Critics remain unswayed, and some have questioned Barakat's expertise.

Of the alleged Bosnian pyramid, the European Association of Archaeology's Harding said, "You'd be surprised how many natural stone formations can look as if they are man-made."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060613-pyramid.html

Posted by: Seralia Jul 31 2006, 07:49 PM
angryNEW.gif That UK expert is full of you know what. whistlingNEW2.gif I am very confident that he knows that this is a real pyramid but not a lot of these ummmmmmmmmmm censored.gif experts will admit something like that publicly. I do remember hearing somewhere about a UK archaeologist that traveled to New England a few years ago to see an archaeological site that was built by pre-Columbian European explorers and said that even though it was what our experts claimed it was, he said that he would never admit it publicly. sigh.gif

I took a look for an update and this one almost got away...

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Egyptian lends credence to Bosnian pyramid claim
Visoko, July 12, 2006
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An Egyptian geologist said on Wednesday (May 17) that a hill in central Bosnia appeared to be a primitive man-made pyramid of uncertain age.


Geologist Aly Abd Barakat was sent by Egypt's government to join the local team researching what Bosnian-born amateur archaeologist Semir Osmanagic says are three 12,000-year-old pyramids -- the Bosnian Pyramids of Sun, Moon and Dragon.

Barakat told reporters at the dig on the northeastern side of Visocica hill, where huge stone blocks have been found that it was his opinion that it is probably a primitive pyramid.

"It's difficult for the nature to create this type of rock and to repeat it in the same orientation for the whole area. It's difficult, it doesn't accept," he said, pointing to compact polished blocks. "It's artificial, an artificial structure, with pyramid-shape."

He added that sand layers between the blocks were the same type of artificial cement used in ancient Egyptian pyramids.

Barakat said detailed study was needed to determine the age of the excavated blocks and the type of the material used, and said more Egyptian archaeologists would join the team in Bosnia.

"We had a pyramid wall here," said Osmanagic, as he showed reporters around the site.

"As you can see, here we have, according to doctor Barakat from Egypt, concrete which was poured here. It's material of different stone materials, about five to six different stones. On the top of it was a layer of the same material but the fine granulation. It was on the top, it was polished in the ancient time so when the sun would shine it would reflect the light, tens of kilometres around."

Osmanagic's theory about pyramids in Bosnia has been denounced by local and European archaeologists, who say that ancient civilizations in Europe lived in caves and could not build such structures.

But the U.S.-based researcher has invited sceptics to come to Bosnia.

Osmanagic has announced the existence of two more pyramid-shaped objects in the Visoko valley, some 30 km (18 miles) north of the Bosnian capital Sarajevo.

http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?rep=2&aid=308528&sid=FTP

Posted by: Mark Dec 28 2006, 10:49 AM
Here's the latest report I have come across...

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Ancient pyramids discovered in Bosnia
By Mark Whitehorn
26th December 2006
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The Great Pyramid of Giza is the sole survivor of the Seven Wonders of the World. An Arab proverb says that: "Man fears time, yet time fears the Pyramids", a reference to the fact that the pyramid has survived for about 4,500 years and, in that time, has lost a mere 10 metres off its incredible 145 metre height.

Composed of two million blocks of stone, each weighing more than two tonnes, this was not erected by George Wimpey and Co in a fortnight.

For approximately 43 centuries it was the world's tallest man-made structure.

Or so we thought. Reports are emerging from Bosnia-Herzegovina of structures that make the pyramid of Giza look like a scale model (see http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/ , http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/ , and http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/ ).

At 267 metres tall, the Pyramid of the Sun blows the Egyptian opposition into the weeds.

If that wasn't enough, it is simply one of a number of pyramids located in the same region - there are also the Pyramids of the Sun, the Dragon and, most recently discovered, Love.

These revelations are not simply about who has the biggest bragging rights for historic civil engineering projects. Structures like these take colossal man power to create - estimates for a single Egyptian pyramid run into tens of millions of man hours.

Such a workforce means, in turn, huge logistical organisation - land cultivation, food transport, housing, water, waste disposal etc. The simple existence of these gigantic man-made structures in Europe means the entire history of the development of human civilization will have to be rewritten with Bosnia-Herzegovina at its centre.

All of which appears to be just fine by Semir Osmanagi? who is at the centre of these discoveries. He is referred to on bosnianpyramid.com as "Bosnia's Indiana Jones" which is either a reference to the hat and boots that he affects or his extraordinary archaeological discoveries. Not a man who appears to eschew modesty, he is quoted as saying: "My discovery will change human history".

As might be imagined, this is a very big deal in Bosnia-Herzegovina where it forms the focus of a nightly reality TV show. We strongly recommend that you visit the web sites and that you examine the other evidence that is accumulating daily on the web, such as this video, where you can see, and weigh, for yourself the evidence that this is a man-made structure.

Of course, the cynical sceptics amongst you may feel that claims like these are so fantastic as to be unbelievable, but that is not the case. We believe the reason the claims are unbelievable is more simple; they are wrong.

How can we be so sure? We have been talking to Professor John Parker of Cambridge University, the director of the Botanic Garden and also Professor of Botany at St Catharine's College. He's actually travelled there and seen the evidence first hand.

El Reg: How did you come to visit the site?

Professor Parker: I visited the site in August this year as part of a visit to Sarajevo with one of the professors there. My colleague in Sarajevo invited me to come and see this phenomenon so we made our way to the site and climbed to the top of one of the hills which was being referred to as the Pyramid of the Sun. As we climbed the hill we passed, as you would expect, Nefertiti's caf頡nd stalls selling little models of the pyramids. I must admit I began to wonder where we were.

The top of the hill was being cleared and they were digging away the surface to the depth of about a metre, exposing what looked for all the world like concrete spilling down the slopes of the hill. These inclined, flat sheets consisted of aggregate in a matrix and I gathered that these were being put forward as a man-made phenomenon. It was quite impressive: large slabs, some of them up to 50 or 60 metres long. It was explained to me as man-made concrete that had been cast as slabs with shuttering between them. This is exactly the way in which, today, we cover large areas with concrete. We use shuttering to limit the size of the slabs and the spaces left when the shuttering is removed allow for expansion.

So, having seen that, we went across the valley to the Pyramid of the Moon, a slightly lower hill, and again we went through a mass of little stalls selling this time, Mayan step pyramid models.

In contrast to the Pyramid of the Sun, where the slabs of concrete lie parallel to the side of the hill, the material that makes up the Pyramid of the Moon lies in horizontal sheets. The flat sheets of exposed material have a sort of ripple effect on the top and the whole surface broken by regular lines into what looks like crazy paving with most of the fracture lines of the crazy paving roughly parallel to each other. It is broken up into rough rectangular blocks but laid so closely together that they look just as if they have been laid by human hand.

El Reg: But you weren't convinced?

Professor Parker: Well, no, because I'd seen this kind of thing before. It is a perfect example of a fossilised beach, essentially little mud ripples on a beach which then becomes fossilised. What they were doing was cutting into the hillside to expose this beautiful raised beach.

As you looked at the profile that they had cut you saw the layers above it and every time they came to a slightly harder layer that showed that phenomenon, so they exposed it back. They were cutting the side of the hill into a series of steps, each one about a metre and a half or two meters. Hence the Pyramid of the Moon is described a stepped pyramid, as opposed to the Pyramid of the Sun where the sides are flat.

El Reg: So, what about the "concrete" on the Pyramid of the Sun?

Professor Parker: It is a natural material. When you looked at the whole site there was a very turbulent river which came down (and they are really turbulent in Bosnia) which had cut a deep valley through the mainly limestone area in which we found ourselves. However, the river rises in the mountains to the West which are mainly acidic. So the "concrete" is made of the embedded stones that were washed down from the acidic mountains deposited in an alkaline substrate.

El Reg: What about the marks of the shuttering?

Professor Parker: As the conglomerate formed and then subsequently cracked, the cracks were filled in with calcite which would be crystallised from the calcium carbonate and dolomite which makes up the matrix. If you looked at the cracks between the slabs carefully - and this is what told me straight away that it was natural - you could see that individual stones that were embedded in the matrix were shattered through.

In other words, you regularly find single stones, embedded in two slabs, cut neatly through by the "shuttering" lines. It seems highly unlikely that human beings would split stones and place the two halves neatly on either side of a piece of shuttering. But natural cracks will run through both the stones and the matrix. So the cracks are clearly a post-construction phenomenon, not a pre-construction one.

El Reg: Ok, that explains the materials found on the two hills, but how did it get there in the first place?

Professor Parker: Remember that turbulent river. You've got the aggregate which came from the acidic mountains and it came down into a calcareous lake where the big stones had settled out with the calcareous substrate to make the aggregate on one side of the valley. That explains the "concrete". On the other side of the valley the mud was left and was depositing out as beaches which were obviously a drying lake surface and I should think alternately wetting and drying. It was quite obvious that it was part of one kind of system, probably a delta type system.

Geologically it was absolutely fascinating. I've never seen a better example of this. At the same time one of my colleagues, Dr Mary Edmunds, found the most perfect fossils in the material they'd excavated on the Pyramid of the Moon.

They were simply beautiful - you broke open every piece of this supposedly man-made material and inside were things like pine seeds perfectly preserved with their wings so you could even identify the species of pine - Pinus nigra that grows there still - and also birch leaves: it was full of just wonderful sub-fossil material. That alone told us that it was clearly a post-glacial phenomenon, relatively recent - less than 12,000 years old.

El Reg: So, if the "concrete" is natural, and formed in a lake, why is it now at such an angle, forming the sloping sides of a hill?

Professor Parker: The way I was thinking about the conglomerate - why it looked like a triangle - was that if you think about the river constantly undermining soft substrate with a hard crust it becomes rather like a cr譥 brul饮 As soon as you take away the cream from below there's nothing to hold the upper material and it will collapse, and of course it will tend to shatter, if it is a flat plate, into triangular slabs. I think what you'd got is this material shattered into one of these triangular slabs which gives you the triangular shape and when you excavate it of course the conglomerate is now facing down the hill.

El Reg: So, the site is worthless?

Professor Parker: Absolutely not. I spent considerable time looking at the fossils because I've never seen any so good from a post-glacial site. It's very sad because you could have got the most detailed and intimate knowledge of the changes in vegetation patterns from the post-glacial era. It is so clearly a natural phenomenon that it should be investigated as a natural phenomenon rather than being shrouded in all this magic and mystery.

I am worried about it because the Bosnian people deserve better than this. They are a wonderful people who have suffered so much. In this site they have a fabulous natural phenomenon and the danger is that the people and the country could become a laughing stock if the site continues to be interpreted in this way.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/26/bosnian_pyramids/

Posted by: Tex Arcana Jan 10 2007, 12:56 PM
Last week, Steve Nixon the owner of Astraea magazine introduced Sam Osmanangic to my website. A couple of days later I got an email from Sam saying he'd looked at the galleries and was surprised to find stone spheres up here in North Texas as well as the other anomalies in the galleries which were similar to those in Bosnia and other parts of the world. He said that since he was in Houston he might have a look at some of those personally in the future.

Posted by: Mark Jan 10 2007, 01:38 PM
Cool deal Tex!

Here's a snip from a post above...
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Osmanagic has speculated that Illyrians-ancient ancestors of today's Albanians-could have built the alleged pyramid perhaps as early as 12,000 years ago during the last ice age.

Posted by: Tex Arcana Jan 10 2007, 03:06 PM
Personally, I suspect the date was MUCH earlier.

Posted by: Wahya Jan 14 2007, 01:13 PM
QUOTE (Tex Arcana @ Jan 10 2007, 03:06 PM)
Personally, I suspect the date was MUCH earlier.

Agreed™

There is evidence to indicate there was once a powerful and widespread - perhaps global - civilization which existed before the ice age. Usually the traces of it are to be found in equatorial areas because the glaciers couldn't scour the earth there.


Perhaps during the ice age the remnant people were able to sustain the fragments of this civilization to a point, only to lose most of it due to the widespread catastrophic flooding occuring when the massive glaciers melted.


Pyramids. Stone Spheres. Anomolous artifacts found where they should not be found. Traces of roads and highways from great antiquity. Ruins found under seas and beneath the surfaces of lakes. Descriptions of atomic warfare, flight, and extraterrestrial encounters from ancient texts.

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Posted by: Mark Jan 14 2007, 02:47 PM
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There is evidence to indicate there was once a powerful and widespread - perhaps global - civilization which existed before the ice age. Usually the traces of it are to be found in equatorial areas because the glaciers couldn't scour the earth there.


I agree.... and most likely, many were of great stature and strength which allowed for easier building of the giant megaliths.

The best evidence for ancient civilizations before the last great ice age shall be found under water. The Mediterannean Sea probably contains many submerged and lost cities.

Posted by: Wahya Jan 14 2007, 03:04 PM
lndeed.


We have many ancient mysteries here in 0hio. l wonder what may be waiting on the bottom of the relatively shallow Great Lakes?

Posted by: Mark Jan 14 2007, 03:43 PM
The discovery of ancient civilizations and the knowledge they possessed has always intrigued and fascinated me.

Back in the early 1980's, when I was at L.A.V.C. to compete in gymnastics, I had to take some courses in college. I chose ancient art and ancient history but back then they taught about only 1% of what we can learn today online.

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