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|Posted by: Mark Oct 28 2005, 09:54 AM|
| More evidence of an ancient worldwide civilization.
This image, to me, resembles MagIndi's pyramid in his backyard view down in Queensland Australia.
|Posted by: Visiting PuPPs Fan Oct 28 2005, 06:10 PM|
|and who knows what else they will find, since the fae are widely believed in Europe to live under mounds and hills. Maybe these are gateways?|
|Posted by: uggliozzi Oct 30 2005, 03:33 PM|
| Logic suggests that there was a highly developed civilization before or during the last ice age.
This dig needs to be done by scientists with open minds rather than traditionalists who will distort evidence to support their long-held views.
|Posted by: JenThom Oct 31 2005, 10:17 AM|
Yes there was at least one worldwide culture PuPP. Maybe more. After some major event a lot of it was wiped out. I'm beginning to think that this is what Casey meant when he talked about Atlantis being discovered. It wasn't just one continent that he was talking about. It was a Mega Culture that left traces in all parts of the world I think.
I found a related article about the pyramid that goes into a lot more detail BTW.
There's also a report that was broadcast by Reuters TV.
Watch Reuters TV-report at Politiken:
|Posted by: Mark Oct 31 2005, 12:04 PM|
|Posted by: uggliozzi Oct 31 2005, 03:46 PM|
| The article mentions a causeway. It seems to me that the significance of causeways is being paid little attention. Many ancient constructions incorporate a causeway as part of the design. Giza, Stonehenge both have significant causeways. Central american sites have main avenues which play the role of the causeway. Causeways are consistent even though different designs and types of construction are used. Most causeways seem to lead somewhere and many people interpret them as ceremonial parade routes. But what about Stonehenge? The causeway seems to go nowhere.
I think the causeway is central to the sites rather than an add-on. Causeways lead from-to. From where, to where and who travels these causeways? What is the significance of the causeways? I think they relate to an earlier civilization who went somewhere or they are places for the earlier civilization to return.
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Nov 2 2005, 10:55 AM|
| I've looked over Osmanagic's Alternative Archaeology website trying to deduce more information from his photos since the site is in Bosnian or whatever language is spoken there. He seems to have a strong interest in the Maya civilization which may color his interpretation of what he has found. An advanced culture was found in Romania at Dolni Vestonice dating back 23,000 years but it was an early ceramic culture with no signs of advanced masonry. However there was a site in Siberia dating to about the same time which had stone foundations for what was probably a wood or mammoth tusk structure like the one in Romania. If the Bosnian structure is indeed a stepped pyramid I would be more inclined to think it was from the Old European Megalithic of about 5000 BC which also produced such structures as the temples of Malta. More interesting was the fact that stone spheres similar to the ones in Costa Rica have shown up in Europe according to one comment I read on a website discussing the Bosnian pyramid. Other pyramids in Europe such as the ones in Greece seem to be much younger dating perhaps to the Greek occupation of Egypt.
The problem I see with the Bosnian pyramid is that the excavation is being done by amateurs with no apparent skill in objective dating and other methods. This does not discount that the discovery may not be of great importance but unless verifiable evidence is presented this will just be another anomaly which the mainstream can easily dismiss. There is also the question of politics. Apparently this story was printed in a local paper which will print anything on the front page for a price and the owner was involved in the failed construction of an airport which was to rival that in Sarjevo. This is apparently how Reuters got the story according to Bosnian locals who were divided on the question of authenticity. It is something of an issue of nationalistic agendas wherein Bosnia seems to be in a struggle with Greece over cultural politics. All of this just goes to muddy the issue hopelessly for those of us in the West who do not fully understand all the political subcurrents surrounding the facts. It seems to me that if there is any substance to this, the Russian academics who have always been somewhat more open to controversial topics will rush in to show up the Western mainstream. Until more facts are available, I'd tend to take this with the same bags of salt I use regarding stories coming out of Pravda. I wonder if Hancock, Bauval, West or Schoch will investigate this one?
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 3 2005, 11:57 AM|
Causeways are an improtant feature in many sites including stonehenge, which I believe has about a 2 mile long one that is in three sections and leads to the river Avon. I was reading somewhere that such causeways are considered to be anomalies.
Well, the causeways that I have found that were key certain sites that I've worked with were primarily constructed for the dead to walk on as far as I know. I remember one site in particular that had two oddly shaped boulders that was bordered on one side by a pre-colonial stone row. North of the boulders, one of which had a curious stone ceremonial platform incorperated into it, was a two foot square hole in the wall. A few years ago, it was discovered that the hole marked the beginning of a causeway. I'm not really sure how long the causeway might have been originally, due to development, but it could have been quite long.
That is a problem Tex. Some of us amaeturs don't have a lot of skill in "objective dating" and other methods that the supposedly professional mainstream archaeological community has but then again, how many mainstreamers would even bother to look at such an anomolous structure and take they discovery of such a structure seriously? Even with verifiable evidence, the mainstreamers, due to their inane doctrines, etc., routinely dismiss just about anything that threatens their paradigm or their best to cover it up.
That is interesting. There's almost always politics involved with any potential site of archaeological significance, especially if it might stand in the way of development. Of course, for the right price, most mainstreamers that I know of, would look the other way.
They might just show up the Western mainstream. Who knows.
I think that there could be something there and don't dismiss the possibility of there being pyramids in places where there not supposed to be because we don't really know who built the pyramids in the first place or when the first pyramids were originally constructed or how many cultures shared their technology with other cultures.
I know who Hancock and Bauval and West are but who is Schoch?
OK, I answered my own question.
I've just begun to look into egyptology and who's doing the research, so I really don't know enough about any of them to trust their observations and findings if they were to venture to see the pyramid anyway. Hopefully they won't send Zahi Hawass to investigate.
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Nov 3 2005, 07:13 PM|
| That is a problem Tex. Some of us amaeturs don't have a lot of skill in "objective dating" and other methods that the supposedly professional mainstream archaeological community has but then again, how many mainstreamers would even bother to look at such an anomolous structure and take they discovery of such a structure seriously? Even with verifiable evidence, the mainstreamers, due to their inane doctrines, etc., routinely dismiss just about anything that threatens their paradigm or their best to cover it up.
That would depend upon the discovery and the professional who was approached. Most of the recent important sites here in Texas have been professionally dug, dated and reported due to initial discovery by amateurs who informed the right professional. A good case in point is the Gault Clovis site, the most extensive and important such site to date with its 10,000 year old inscribed stone plaques and hints at agriculture. This has not always been the case here and it is a far cry from what it could be but I am seeing and participating in a much more cooperative situation than it was even a decade ago. The project director at the site I'm involved with now went toe to toe with the City of Dallas for over a year and did delay the destruction of an Early Man site until it could be excavated and dated. The initial discoverer was an amateur who was persistent enough to keep telling people about this until he talked to the right person. It is more often the construction/commercial interests that have their way in destroying important sites because they have the funding and most archaeology projects do not. However, this same archaeologist I mentioned above has managed to get gas lines rerouted as well as roads due to important discoveries because his company has the county contracts for cultural resource management. Again, it varies greatly from person to person and region to region. I think the upcoming generation of archaeologists will set a whole new standard from their hidebound predecessors.
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 22 2005, 12:55 PM|
| Here in Connecticut, the state archaeoloist as well as the majority of the professional archaeologists here are corrupt. One that I had encountered publicly challenged my findings and went so far as to try to drag me through the mud in one of the local newspapers a few years ago. He was supposedly a professional and even taught at one of the local technical schools but moonlighted as an "archaeological consultant" who had been hired by a developer. I stood my ground with him and presented quite a bit of data and up to date references while he was only able to quote sources from the 1970's. Eventually he did lose his teaching position but it was only a minor victory since the whole state archaeology department was still intact.
We're sitting on a pretty major site here in Connecticut that spans over 250 acres with pre-colonial stone rows, perched bolders, standing stones, hundreds of ash burials, altars, at least one solar/astronomical observatory that appears to have been one major cermonial complex with influences by more than one culture and no one has done any real digging there. We spent over 10 years just cataloging what was above ground and looking for any sites that might yield artifacts. These are just two artifacts that were accidentally discovered.
Ever seen anything like them before Tex?
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Nov 26 2005, 04:05 PM|
| The lower one is a little out of focus but it is somewhat similar to the painted pebbles of Central Texas dating to around the middle to late Archaic. None of the ones I've seen are sculpted, though. Can you show some different angles on these so that we can get a better idea of what they look like "in the round"?
I'm familiar with some of the problems faced with regard to the megaliths of New England. Are you a member of NEARA? Also are any of the underground structures which the mainstream tries to write off as colonial root cellars in the area you are examining? And do they have a large quartz set in the back wall? What era do you think the ones you're looking at date to?
|Posted by: DarmonVing Nov 27 2005, 09:08 PM|
I was going to take shots from different angles Tex, but I've just got front and back. Basically it's a little more than an inch thick with a finger notch in the back and a worn spot where my thumb is.
This is another image of the other face. The other image of it was created using a modified b/w hand scanner BTW.
This one's composed of a type of quartz. Very difficult to carve.
Yes I just happen to be a card carrying member of NEARA but haven't worked with them in a while. Had some other problems to take care if but now I'm getting ready to pick up where I left off and work with them again.
In the area that I'm examining, there are no chambers due mainly to the type of terrain. Too many hills for a clear shot of the sun. However, one astronomical site was compared to a chamber site in the Hudson Valley region and the layout of both the sites was nearly identical with several similarities between the two. There were supposed to have been chambers somewhere around here, but they were said to havee been mis-identified as root cellars and destroyed a long time ago. However, a chamber site was located by NEARA less than 5 miles from where I'm doing my research.
I'd have to look at my notes but right off the top of my head, the walls of the ones that I've examined are composed of granite, quartz and limestone. The ceilings are composed of schist and gneiss.
Difficult to tell but I'd say mine seem to be older than the Hudson Valley sites circa 4 to 6,000 BC but it's difficult to say for sure. The main astronomical site does have charcoal deposits within its interior that could be carbon dated I suppose. This is what they built instead of a chamber. 13 stone slabs with the opening facing 220 degrees.
|Posted by: does it metter?? Dec 26 2005, 12:39 PM|
| [B][SIZE=14][FONT=Courier][COLOR=red]I'm tired of people that underestimate everything connected to bosnians! Half of you think: "It can't be truth, something like that can't be in bosnia and bosnian people are not capable to discovere something like that". You should first give someone chance to prove himself before you judge him! But no, you wouldn't do that just because he's a bosnian. Well you can underestimate bosnian people, but your atitude and behaving shows that only you here seem to be primitive
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Dec 27 2005, 08:06 AM|
|Osmanagic has been living in Houston long enough that we must assume he is a naturalized Texan by now. Why don't you just drop the Bosnian persecution gambit" does it matter"? It's not an issue here where the posters hail from all over the planet. The Bosnian pyramids get the same scrutiny any other site does and the jury is still out on the Bosnian pyramids. You are inventing a bias against Bosnia that does not exist here. Yeah, I'm primitive; I never denied being from Texas.|
|Posted by: DarmonVing Dec 28 2005, 12:01 PM|
I really don't doubt that there is a pyramid in Bosnia. Pyramids and similar structures have been found all over the world.
Pyramid Hill on the northern plains of Victoria Australia
I don't underestimate anyone... and he's certainly putting up one hell of a fight.
|Posted by: DarmonVing Dec 28 2005, 12:18 PM|
That looks like a puzzlestone to me... That's what I call them anyway... Got a few similar ones here... Never could figure out what they were for though but kind of suspected that they might of been some type of burial. Just seeing that stone there has piqued my curiosity.
|Posted by: uggliozzi Jan 19 2006, 06:25 PM|
| Australian in Bosnia pyramid riddle
Friday Jan 20 07:40 AEDT
Australian archaeologist Royce Richards is among a team preparing to look for the truth behind a theory that Bosnia-Herzegovina has an ancient pyramid.
Archaeologists from Australia, Scotland, Ireland, Austria, and Slovenia will begin excavation work in April on the Visocica hill, 32 kilometres north-west of Sarajevo.
The hill is quite symmetrical, and the theory that it was once a pyramid is supported by preliminary investigations.
If true, it would rewrite world history, putting Europe alongside South America and of course Egypt as homes of ancient pyramids.
Bosnian Semir Osmanagic put forward his theory last year that a 100 metre geometrically-shaped hill with evenly shaped sides and corners that point north, south, east and west is an ancient man-made edifice.
Osmanagic, who has spent 15 years studying the pyramids of the Americas is convinced the hill is a genuine man-made pyramid from an ancient civilization.
His preliminary excavations shows what he believes is evidence that the earth has been shaped to form a pyramid and covered in prehistoric concrete and stone blocks.
"We have already dug out stone blocks which I believe are covering the pyramid," Osmanagic said.
"We found a paved entrance plateau and discovered underground tunnels.
"You don't have to be an expert to realise what this is."
Osmanagic's assertions have been supported by experts studying aerial and satellite images.
Theorists believe the Illyrian people who inhabited the Balkan region before the conquering Slavic tribes overran them about 1,400 years ago had the sophistication to shape a hill into a pyramid.
Excavation work to test Osmanagic's theory will begin on April 14 in the Visoko region and is expected to continue until October and the rugged mountainous area has become an archaeological park.
|Posted by: DarmonVing Jan 23 2006, 01:20 PM|
| Semir Osmanagic has his own site now.
|Posted by: doesn't matter Jan 29 2006, 02:17 AM|
| I've never wanted to start a fight or something like that, but if you were me you would probably act the similar way. You see, if there is someone who should be sceptic about all this it's bosnian people because people in bosnia are not used to the fact that good things happen to them and it's obvious why, so if there is someone who is surprised with this possibility of having a pyramid it's bosnian people. But, whatever, I pass by that Visocica hill almost every day when I go to Sarajevo, and trust me, you would be amazed of how much it reminds of a pyramid....it's remarkable....
|Posted by: DarmonVing Jan 30 2006, 08:03 PM|
| I'm almost tempted to go there myself...
|Posted by: doesn't metter Jan 31 2006, 05:52 AM|
| you're tempted to go there yourself? well, where are u from?
|Posted by: DarmonVing Feb 1 2006, 10:16 PM|
I'd be flying in all the way from the East Coast of the US so it would take me a while to get there... and would probably cost me a few bucks too but I'd almost certainly find something there... if I did go there... I'll have to check on the logistics... That puzzlestone is just so interesting to me that I might just have to take a closer look at it...
It's calling me.
That one stone on the lower right side almost looks like it has a reflector basin carved into the front of it...
|Posted by: doesn't metter Feb 4 2006, 09:16 AM|
| well, it would cost u probably a few bucks, but if it appears to be pyramid 100% in a few months, than it will cost much more to spend time here....though in bosnia everything is so cheap now for foreigners....anyway....if u decide to come, there's much more to see in bosnia beside the possible pyramid .... :-)
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 14 2006, 04:24 PM|
| Looks like the Bosnian Pyramid is the real deal after all! Geologists, archaeologists and coal miners entered the tunnels beneath the pyramid today.
Congratulations to Osmanagic!!
|Posted by: uggliozzi Apr 15 2006, 02:54 PM|
| Damn link keeps trashing my browser.
Well is it a proper pyramid or a burial mound? Either way it will put the cat amongst the pigeons. How I wish I could afford to go.
Slowly - slowly - the truth is starting to emerge.
|Posted by: Mark Apr 15 2006, 05:37 PM|
| uggliozzi, that's why I don't go to many of the mainstream media sites, because they cause me browser problems.
The MSN link posted by Tex connected me to about 20 IP addresses. I blocked about 2 dozen cookies and Active X tried to run, but eventually the page opened for me.
Here's the article...
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 15 2006, 09:48 PM|
|I seldom go to any MSN story because it takes so long to load; I was not aware of all the things PuPP mentioned, going on in the background. My revulsion toward MSN is for other reasons, but in this case they had the most update information on the entry into the tunnel. Of course, skeptics are already focusing on the nationalistic and commercial motivations mentioned at the end of the article rather than in the geologist's and archaeologist's initial statement that the branching tunnel was artificial. Expect the mindscape battles to intensify as more information becomes available.|
|Posted by: uggliozzi Apr 16 2006, 02:30 PM|
| Two experts from Egypt worries me. Whatever the agenda of these two I doubt that it is scientific examination and revelation. Once they get their claws into the project I won't be able to trust any "findings".
A 3.8 Km tunnel does not sound like a burial mound or a traditional pyramid. This could be from the pre-ice age civilization that I have long suspected seeded our current history.
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 16 2006, 05:29 PM|
| Uggliozzi wrote:
<Two experts from Egypt worries me. Whatever the agenda of these two I doubt that it is scientific examination and revelation. Once they get their claws into the project I won't be able to trust any "findings".
A 3.8 Km tunnel does not sound like a burial mound or a traditional pyramid. This could be from the pre-ice age civilization that I have long suspected seeded our current history.>
Your suspicions seem reasonable, Uggliozzi.
|Posted by: Mark Apr 16 2006, 09:38 PM|
| Hey Tex, I got to thinking.... have you ever made a connection to wars and conquest in ancient lands?
I recall the Bosnia and Serb wars in our snooze media back in the 90s.
I wonder, are some of these wars fueled by what can be gained from recovering ancient knowledge?
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Apr 17 2006, 09:08 AM|
| You will find references to those places in Voltaire's "Candide" as well as cynical references to incidents that could as well apply to the recent conflicts of the 80's and 90's. Some places such as Vietnam, Afghanistan and the Middle East to name a few are in a state of seemingly perpetual conflict which I think has more to do with their geographical location as crossroads of culture than any search for ancient knowedge.
Needless to say, places like Alexandria, Nineveh and Anau just happen to be repositories of ancient knowledge as well.
|Posted by: doesn't matter May 8 2006, 11:14 AM|
|well, if you've red any of my posts you know I'm from bosnia and very enthusiastic because it's my country all this is about. I've loved my country even during living in basement because of war, how could I not love it now, but that's not the only reason I believe that what we have are pyramids. As I've said before they even started excavations, if u just see those hills with your own eyes you can't have any doubts so I truly hope you'll be able to come and see it, all of u! And if you can afford trip, you can afford and staying here because accomodation, food and everything else is really cheap for anyone coming from foreign countries because our standards are far beyond standard of other Europe's countries....so...hope to see u walking aronud Bosnian pyramid|
|Posted by: DarmonVing May 14 2006, 02:08 PM|
When the wars started over there, I was kind of wondering the same thing... I think that it is very possible that they could be looking for the ancient knowledge and technology but I really don't think they're looking in any of the right places for it...
|Posted by: doesn't matter May 22 2006, 09:50 AM|
|sorry DarmonVing, but you're not right, reasons for war are well known, and ancient treasure is not any of reasons for it...but we're still alive, we found a pyramid and we we had the best song on eurosong this year (thoguh we were third) and we're fighiting for better tomorrow....|
|Posted by: Black Jack Jun 10 2006, 09:08 AM|
|Posted by: doesn't metter Jun 10 2006, 09:49 AM|
|ok Black Jack, very nice statements you added here, but what's your belief? You believe it or not?|
|Posted by: Black Jack Jun 10 2006, 04:32 PM|
Not sure, I'm still reading up on this one. Just looking at the 'pyramid' from the pics it really does look like a man-made structure. I was reading about this on a thread at another forum, but your first hand experience with this has converted me to this version of the discussion.
|Posted by: Guest Jun 11 2006, 12:41 AM|
hope you'll get your own first hand experience, once you come and see it you'll have no doubts....you're welcome...
|Posted by: Mark Jun 17 2006, 12:36 AM|
| I believe that the truth will eventually emerge if examination is allowed.
|Posted by: Seralia Jul 31 2006, 07:49 PM|
| That UK expert is full of you know what. I am very confident that he knows that this is a real pyramid but not a lot of these ummmmmmmmmmm experts will admit something like that publicly. I do remember hearing somewhere about a UK archaeologist that traveled to New England a few years ago to see an archaeological site that was built by pre-Columbian European explorers and said that even though it was what our experts claimed it was, he said that he would never admit it publicly.
I took a look for an update and this one almost got away...
|Posted by: Mark Dec 28 2006, 10:49 AM|
| Here's the latest report I have come across...
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Jan 10 2007, 12:56 PM|
|Last week, Steve Nixon the owner of Astraea magazine introduced Sam Osmanangic to my website. A couple of days later I got an email from Sam saying he'd looked at the galleries and was surprised to find stone spheres up here in North Texas as well as the other anomalies in the galleries which were similar to those in Bosnia and other parts of the world. He said that since he was in Houston he might have a look at some of those personally in the future.|
|Posted by: Mark Jan 10 2007, 01:38 PM|
| Cool deal Tex!
Here's a snip from a post above...
|Posted by: Tex Arcana Jan 10 2007, 03:06 PM|
|Personally, I suspect the date was MUCH earlier.|
|Posted by: Wahya Jan 14 2007, 01:13 PM|
There is evidence to indicate there was once a powerful and widespread - perhaps global - civilization which existed before the ice age. Usually the traces of it are to be found in equatorial areas because the glaciers couldn't scour the earth there.
Perhaps during the ice age the remnant people were able to sustain the fragments of this civilization to a point, only to lose most of it due to the widespread catastrophic flooding occuring when the massive glaciers melted.
Pyramids. Stone Spheres. Anomolous artifacts found where they should not be found. Traces of roads and highways from great antiquity. Ruins found under seas and beneath the surfaces of lakes. Descriptions of atomic warfare, flight, and extraterrestrial encounters from ancient texts.
|Posted by: Mark Jan 14 2007, 02:47 PM|
I agree.... and most likely, many were of great stature and strength which allowed for easier building of the giant megaliths.
The best evidence for ancient civilizations before the last great ice age shall be found under water. The Mediterannean Sea probably contains many submerged and lost cities.
|Posted by: Wahya Jan 14 2007, 03:04 PM|
We have many ancient mysteries here in 0hio. l wonder what may be waiting on the bottom of the relatively shallow Great Lakes?
|Posted by: Mark Jan 14 2007, 03:43 PM|
| The discovery of ancient civilizations and the knowledge they possessed has always intrigued and fascinated me.
Back in the early 1980's, when I was at L.A.V.C. to compete in gymnastics, I had to take some courses in college. I chose ancient art and ancient history but back then they taught about only 1% of what we can learn today online.