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Roswell aliens theory revived by deathbed confession
July 01, 2007
From correspondents in Washington
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EXACTLY 60 years ago, a light aircraft was flying over the Cascade Mountains in Washington State, at a height of around 3000m.

Suddenly, a brilliant flash of light illuminated the aircraft.

Visibility was good and as pilot Kenneth Arnold scanned the sky to find the source of the light, he saw a group of nine shiny metallic objects flying information.

He estimated their speed as being around 2600km/h - nearly three times faster than the top speed of any jet aircraft at the time.

Soon, similar reports began to come in from all over America.

This wasn't just the world's first UFO sighting, this was the birth of a phenomenon, one that still exercises an extraordinary fascination.

Military authorities issued a press release, which began: "The many rumours regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc."

The headlines screamed: "Flying Disc captured by Air Force".

Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed their story and claimed the object they'd first thought was a "flying disc" was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch.

The key witness was Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who had gone to the ranch to recover the wreckage.

He described the metal as being wafer thin but incredibly tough.

It was as light as balsa wood, but couldn't be cut or burned.

These and similar accounts of the incident have largely been dismissed by all except the most dedicated believers.

Astonishing new twist

But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery.

Lieutenant Walter Haut was the public relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

Haut died last year but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.

Last week, the text was released and asserts that the weather balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.

He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.

He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about alien bodies.

Local undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to provide a number of child-sized coffins.

When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse (who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered.

But Haut is the only one of the original participants to claim to have seen alien bodies.

UFO pieces handed around

Haut's affidavit talks about a high-level meeting he attended with base commander Col William Blanchard and the Commander of the Eighth Army Air Force, General Roger Ramey.

Haut states that at this meeting, pieces of wreckage were handed around for participants to touch, with nobody able to identify the material.

He says the press release was issued because locals were already aware of the crash site, but in fact there had been a second crash site, where more debris from the craft had fallen.

The plan was that an announcement acknowledging the first site, which had been discovered by a farmer, would divert attention from the second and more important location.

The clean-up operation

Haut also spoke about a clean-up operation, where for months afterwards military personnel scoured both crash sites searching for all remaining pieces of debris, removing them and erasing all signs that anything unusual had occurred.

This ties in with claims made by locals that debris collected as souvenirs was seized by the military.

Haut then tells how Colonel Blanchard took him to "Building 84" - one of the hangars at Roswell - and showed him the craft itself.

He describes a metallic egg-shaped object around 3.6m-4.5m in length and around 1.8m wide.

He said he saw no windows, wings, tail, landing gear or any other feature.

Haug 'saw the alien bodies'

He saw two bodies on the floor, partially covered by a tarpaulin.

They are described in his statement as about 1.2m tall, with disproportionately large heads.

Towards the end of the affidavit, Haut concludes: "I am convinced that what I personally observed was some kind of craft and its crew from outer space".

What's particularly interesting about Walter Haut is that in the many interviews he gave before his death, he played down his role and made no such claims.

Had he been seeking publicity, he would surely have spoken about the craft and the bodies.

Did he fear ridicule, or was the affidavit a sort of deathbed confession from someone who had been part of a cover-up, but who had stayed loyal to the end?

The US government came under huge pressure on Roswell in the '90s.

In July 1994, in response to an inquiry from the General Accounting Office, the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force published a report, The Roswell Report: Fact Versus Fiction In The New Mexico Desert.

Weather balloon 'cover story'

The report concluded that the Roswell incident had been attributable to something called Project Mogul, a top secret project using high-altitude balloons to carry sensor equipment into the upper atmosphere, listening forevidence of Soviet nuclear tests.

The statements concerning a crashed weather balloon had been a cover story, they admitted, but not to hide the truth about extraterrestrials.

A second US Air Force report concluded claims bodies were recovered were generated by people having seen crash test dummies that were dropped from the balloons.

Sceptics, of course, will dismiss the testimony left by Haut.

After all, fascinating though it is, it's just a story. There's no proof.

But if nothing else, this latest revelation shows that, 60 years on, this mystery endures.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21994224-2,00.html

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EAST VILLAGE. New evidence has been uncovered that “proves” alien crafts crashed in the Nevada desert in July 1947, and were recovered by the military, a group of “alien abductees” and UFO investigators claimed yesterday.

The group made their case at the launch of “Culture of Contact,” a three-day festival of alien-themed films, talks and music at the Pioneer Theater on East 3rd Street.

“Skeptics, debunkers, get out of the pool. It’s over,” said William Birnes, publisher of UFO magazine. “This is it. Over.”

Birnes read from a newly released affidavit made in 2002 by Lt. Walter Haut, who was at the Walker Field base where the wreckage was allegedly taken 60 years ago. The memo describes a second crash site, 40 miles north of Roswell, where alien bodies and technology were captured by officials.

“Samples of the wreckage were passed around the table,” Birnes said, reading from Haut’s memo. “It was unlike any material I’d seen in my life. Pieces that resembled metal foil were paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings.”

This new memo is final proof of the conspiracy, Birnes believes.

Festival organizer Jeremy Vaeini hopes the event will keep UFOs on the agenda.

“This event is about listening to different perspectives, and seeing what in all of this makes sense,” he said. “And making it clear that it is OK to talk about it.”

Vaeini was inspired by personal experience.

“In October 2001, I woke up with a spectacular, diffuse white light outside my window,” he said. “To my right appeared three gray beings — and I know this sounds crazy — they were wearing tunics.”

He was frightened.

“I was standing in a dark room, with rows of tables with naked humans laid out. The beings kind of gestured, as if to say, ‘this is what we do,’ and my fear went away,” he said. “I heard a female voice in my mind, and it said, ‘This is because you’ve always wanted to remember what an abduction was like.’”

Vaeini welcomes skeptics to this weekend’s event, but hopes attendees bring an open mind.

“If I was not the guy going through it, I would be making fun of it, too,” he said. “I get the ‘anal-probe’ stuff — it’s funny. But in the end you just have to get the joke and respect individual experience.”


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Exactly 60 years ago, a light aircraft was flying over the Cascade Mountains in Washington State, at a height of around 10,000ft.

Suddenly, a brilliant flash of light illuminated the aircraft. Visibility was good and as pilot Kenneth Arnold scanned the sky to find the source of the light, he saw a group of nine shiny metallic objects flying in formation.

He estimated their speed as being around 1,600 miles per hour - nearly three times faster than the top speed of any jet aircraft at the time. He described the craft as arrow-shaped and said they moved in a jerky motion - 'like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water'.

A reporter seized on this phrase and in his story described the objects as 'flying saucers'. The age of the Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) had begun.

Soon, similar reports began to come in from all over America. This wasn't just the world's first UFO sighting, this was the birth of a phenomenon, one that still exercises an extraordinary fascination.

Then, two weeks after Arnold's sighting, something happened that was to lead to the biggest UFO conspiracy theory of all time. On or around July 2, 1947, something crashed in the desert near a military base at Roswell, New Mexico.

Military authorities issued a press release, which began: "The many rumours regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc."

The headlines screamed: 'Flying Disc captured by Air Force.' Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed their story and claimed the object they'd first thought was a 'flying disc' was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch.

Amazingly, the media and the public accepted the explanation without question, in a way that would not happen now. Roswell disappeared from the news until the late Seventies, when some of the military involved began to speak out.

The key witness was Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who had gone to the ranch to recover the wreckage. He described the metal as being wafer thin but incredibly tough.

It was as light as balsa wood, but couldn't be cut or burned. Some witnesses described seeing strange inscriptions on the wreckage.

These and similar accounts of the incident have largely been dismissed by all except the most dedicated believers.

But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery - which casts new light on the incident and raises the possibility that we have, indeed, been visited by aliens.

Lieutenant Walter Haut was the public relations officer at the base in 1947, and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

Haut died last year, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.

Last week, the text was released and asserts that the weather balloon claim was a cover story, and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar. He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.

He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about bodies. Local undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to provide a number of child-sized coffins.

When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse (who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered. But Haut is the only one of the original participants to claim to have seen alien bodies.

Haut's affidavit talks about a high-level meeting he attended with base commander Col William Blanchard and the Commander of the Eighth Army Air Force, Gen Roger Ramey. Haut states that at this meeting, pieces of wreckage were handed around for participants to touch, with nobody able to identify the material.

He says the press release was issued because locals were already aware of the crash site, but in fact there had been a second crash site, where more debris from the craft had fallen. The plan was that an announcement acknowledging the first site, which had been discovered by a rancher, would divert attention from the second and more important location.

Haut also spoke about a clean-up operation, where for months afterwards military personnel scoured both crash sites searching for all remaining pieces of debris, removing them and erasing all signs that anything unusual had occurred.

This ties in with claims made by locals that debris collected as souvenirs was seized by the military.

Haut then tells how Colonel Blanchard took him to 'Building 84' - one of the hangars at Roswell - and showed him the craft itself. He describes a metallic egg-shaped object around 12-15ft in length and around 6ft wide. He said he saw no windows, wings, tail, landing gear or any other feature.

He saw two bodies on the floor, partially covered by a tarpaulin. They are described in his statement as about 4ft tall, with disproportionately large heads.

Towards the end of the affidavit, Haut concludes: "I am convinced that what I personally observed was some kind of craft and its crew from outer space."

What's particularly interesting about Walter Haut is that in the many interviews he gave before his death, he played down his role and made no such claims. Had he been seeking publicity, he would surely have spoken about the craft and the bodies.

Did he fear ridicule, or was the affidavit a sort of deathbed confession from someone who had been part of a cover-up, but who had stayed loyal to the end?

Another military witness who claimed to know that the Roswell incident involved the crash of an alien spacecraft is Colonel Philip J. Corso, a former Pentagon official who claimed his job was to pass technology from the craft recovered at Roswell to American companies.

He claims that discoveries such as Kevlar body armour, stealth technology, night vision goggles, lasers and the integrated circuit chip all have their roots in alien technology from the Roswell crash.

Corso died of a heart attack shortly after making these claims, prompting a fresh round of conspiracy theories.

As bizarre as Corso's story sounds, it has support from a number of unlikely sources, including former Canadian Minister of Defence Paul Hellyer, who spoke out recently to say that he'd checked the story with a senior figure in the U.S. military who confirmed it was true.

The U.S. government came under huge pressure on Roswell in the Nineties. In July 1994, in response to an inquiry from the General Accounting Office, the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force published a report, The Roswell Report: Fact vs. Fiction in the New Mexico Desert.

The report concluded that the Roswell incident had been attributable to something called Project Mogul, a top secret project using high-altitude balloons to carry sensor equipment into the upper atmosphere, listening for evidence of Soviet nuclear tests.

The statements concerning a crashed weather balloon had been a cover story, they admitted, but not to hide the truth about extraterrestrials.

A second U.S. Air Force report, The Roswell Report: Case Closed, was published in 1997 and focused on allegations that alien bodies were recovered.

It concluded that any claims that weren't entirely fraudulent were generated by people having seen crash test dummies that were dropped from balloons from high altitude as part of Project High Dive - a study aimed at developing safe procedures for pilots or astronauts having to jump from extreme altitudes.

These tests ran from 1954 to 1959 in New Mexico, and the U.S. government suggested that sightings of these dummies might have been the root of stories about humanoid aliens, with people mistaking the dates after so many years, and erroneously linking what they'd seen with the 1947 story of a UFO crash.

Sceptics, of course, will dismiss the testimony left by Haut. After all, fascinating though it is, it's just a story. There's no proof. But if nothing else, this latest revelation shows that, 60 years on, this mystery endures.

UFO enthusiasts plan to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Roswell incident with a series of events. In Roswell itself there will be a conference partly sponsored by the city authorities. Thousands are predicted to attend. Roswell has become not just big news, but big business.

Ever since Kenneth Arnold's sighting and the Roswell incident, UFO sightings have continued to be made around the world.

In the UK, in 1950, the Ministry of Defence's Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Henry Tizard, said UFO sightings shouldn't be dismissed without proper, scientific investigation.

The MoD set up arguably the most wonderfully named body in the history of the Civil Service, the Flying Saucer Working Party. Its conclusions were sceptical.

It believed UFO sightings were attributable to either misidentifications, hoaxes or delusions. Its final report, dated June 1951, said no further resources should be devoted to investigating UFOs.

But in 1952 a high-profile series of UFO sightings occurred, in which objects were tracked on radar and seen by RAF pilots. The MoD was forced to think again and has had been investigating ever since. To date, the MoD has received more than 10,000 reports.

The best-known UK incident occurred in December 1980 in Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk. In the early hours of December 26, personnel at RAF Bentwaters (a base leased to the USAF) reported strange lights in the forest. Thinking an aircraft had crashed, they went to investigate.

What they found, witnesses say, was a UFO. They took photographs (which they were later told hadn't come out) of the brightly illuminated craft and one of the men got close enough to touch the object, which then took off and flew away. The stunned men briefed their bosses, including the deputy base commander, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt.

Halt ordered the men to make official witness statements, including sketches of the craft. The following night Halt was at a social function when a flustered airman burst in, saluted and said: "Sir, it's back."

Halt looked confused and said: "What's back?" "The UFO, Sir. The UFO is back," the airman replied.

Halt and a small team went to investigate. His intention, he later reported, was to 'debunk this nonsense'. As they went into the forest, their radios began to malfunction and powerful mobile searchlights cut out. Suddenly, Halt and his team saw the UFO and attempted to get closer. At one point it was directly overhead, shining a bright beam of light down on them.

After these events, Halt ordered an examination of the area where the UFO had been seen on the first night. Three indentations were found in the ground where the craft had landed. A Geiger counter was used and radiation readings were taken, which peaked in the three holes. Halt reported it to the MoD and an investigation began.

This was inconclusive, but Defence Intelligence Staff assessed the radiation readings taken at the landing site were 'significantly higher than the average background'. The MoD's case file on the incident has only recently been released under the Freedom of Information Act.

Another spectacular UFO incident occurred in March 1993. Over six hours, around 60 witnesses in different parts of the UK reported a series of sightings of spectacular UFOs. Many of the witnesses were police officers and the UFO also flew over two military bases in the Midlands, RAF Cosford and RAF Shawbury.

The Meteorological Officer at RAF Shawbury described the UFO as being a vast triangular-shaped craft that moved from a hover to a speed several times faster than an RAF jet in seconds.

He estimated that the UFO was midway in size between a Hercules transport aircraft and a Boeing 747 and said that at one point the craft had been as low as 400ft. He also said that it had been firing a narrow beam of light at the ground and emitting an unpleasant low-frequency hum.

The MoD investigation lasted several weeks and the case file - also recently released - runs to more than 100 pages.

The final briefing submitted to the Assistant Chief of the Air Staff stated: "In summary, there would seem to be some evidence on this occasion that an unidentified object (or objects) of unknown origin was operating over the UK." That is about the most frank admission on UFOs that the MoD has ever made.

Sixty years after Kenneth Arnold's 'flying saucer' sighting, pilots are still seeing UFOs. In April this year, Captain Ray Bowyer, a pilot based in Alderney, saw two bright yellow UFOs in the vicinity of the Channel Islands.

Some of his passengers saw the same thing, another pilot in the area made a similar report and some unusual readings were seen on air traffic control radar. The MoD and the Civil Aviation Authority investigated the incident and no explanation has been found.

Despite any number of hoaxes over the years, interest and belief in UFOs remains strong. Under the Freedom of Information Act, the MoD receives more requests relating to UFOs than on any other subject.

So what is it about UFOs that continues to excite our imaginations? To some people, the subject has become almost a religion and perhaps that gets to the heart of it. Those who study the subject are on a quest not just for the truth, but for meaning. It's a search for the answer to one of the most fundamental questions we can ask - are we alone?


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...isit/article.do

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DATE:  December 26, 2002

WITNESS:  Chris Xxxxxx

NOTARY:  Beverlee Morgan



(1)  My name is Walter G. Haut



(2)  I was born on June 2, 1922



(3)  My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203



(4)  I am retired.



(5)  In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer.  I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.



(6)  I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7.  I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.



(7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell.  I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.



(8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m.  Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance.  The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell.  A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town.  Samples of wreckage were passed around the table.  It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life.  Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion.  No one was able to identify the crash debris.



(9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery.  Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon.  Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed.  I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.



(10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters.  I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.



(11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world.  Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out."



(12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac.  Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside.  Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town.  It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape.  Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic.  No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.



(13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin.  Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features.  The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child.  At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.



(14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.



(15)  I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive).



(16)  Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation.  We would not discuss it again.



(17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup.  I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.



(18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.



(19)  I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space.



(20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.





Signed:  Walter G. Haut

December 26, 2002



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I was a believer after I heard the witnesses (local residents) who handled the "thin yet strong" metal, describe the metal and the subscecuent threats from the military who said, (paraphrasing)...
"You didn't see anything. This is a big desert and they won't find your bones".

One woman, who was just a young girl at the time, described one piece of metal that was like the alluminum foil from a cigarette pack that was put on her kitchen table by her dad and everyone got to play with it, but when you crumbled it up and laid it back down, it returned to its original shape.

It was what we call - "Memory Metal"

Today, we have memory foam, memory bread, memory plastics and more.

Yes, I believe that Roswell and the other crashes were real, and the occupants were frail and thin, 3-4 ft tall with large heads.

I'd like to meet them and offer them my friendship.

For those interested in more info...
Roswell Reports and photos
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3573

You can also use the FORUM SEARCH feature and discover more info.
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I would of at one time too, but a lot of unusual things happened following the crash at Roswell... There was a more sinister side to it that really hasn't come out yet... It was no accident... I suspect that the craft or crafts that crashed on that day were what we would consider to be a trojan horse... The alien, a drone with highly developed mental powers, was the perfect spy...

Following the crash or even prior to it, there were reports of military planes either disappearing without a trace or being shot down by UFOs... The Thomas Mantell case was one of them... His plane, one of 4, tried to pursue a UFO in 1948... Three in the flight were forced to turn back due to either electrical or fuel problems but Mantell continued to pursue the craft... the wreckage of his F-51D was later found in a farm field...

The Mantell Incident
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/mantell.htm

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Captain James F. Duesler, who was one of several military officers at Godman, was retired and living in England. In 1997, he stated that he and several other officers actually saw the gigantic UFO hovering over Godman field that day. Duesler, who was a pilot and crash investigator, stated, "the UFO was a strange gray-looking object, which looked like a rotating inverted ice cream cone." Shortly after the crash, Duesler visited the site, and made these observations, "The wings and tail section had broken off on impact with the ground and were a short distance from the plane," he recalled. "There was no damage to the surrounding trees and it was obvious that there had been no forward or sideways motion when the plane had come down. It just appeared to have "belly flopped" into the clearing. There was very little damaged to the fuselage, which was in one piece, and no signs of blood whatsoever in the cockpit. There was no scratching on the body of the fuselage to indicate any forward movement and the propeller blade bore no telltale scratch marks to show it had been rotating at the time of impact, and one blade had been embedded into the ground. The damage pattern was not consistent with an aircraft of this type crashing at high speed into the ground. Because of the large engine in the nose of the plane, it would come down nose first and hit the ground at an angle. Even if it had managed to glide in, it would have cut a swath through the trees and a channel into the ground. None of these signs were present. All indications were that it had just belly flopped into the clearing. I must admit, I found this very strange."

http://ufologie.net/htm/mantell48.htm

From some report that I've skimmed through, it was mentioned by the associated press that in July of 1947... "Military Planes held Ready To Chase Speeding Objects," and it seems that between July of 47 and Mantell's crash in 48, there were a number of other hostile incidents involving UFOs...

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1947 seemed to be the year when a lot of new technologies began to emerge... but it was also the year that the military began the long silence concerning their involvement with the UFO phenomena... and the formation of MJ-12...

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The "horrible truth" was known by only a very few persons; they
were indeed ugly little creatures, shaped like praying mantises
and were more advanced than us by perhaps a billion years.  Of the
original group that were the first to learn the "horrible truth"
several committed suicide, the most prominent of which was Defense
Secretary James V. Forrestal, who jumped to his death from a 16th-
story hospital window.  Secretary Forrestal's medical records are
sealed to this day.

President Truman quickly put a lid on the secret and turned the
screws so tight that the general public still thinks that flying
saucers are a joke.  Have I ever got a surprise for them.

In 1947 President Truman established a group of 12 twelve top
military and scientific personnel of their time.  They were known
as MJ-12.  Although the group exists today, none of the original
members are still alive.  The last one to die was Gordon Gray,
former Secretary of the Army, in 1984.  As each member passed
away, the group itself appointed a new member to fill the
position.  There is some speculation that the group known as
MJ-12 expanded to at least several more members.

There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940's: one in
Roswell, Mew Mexico; one in Aztec, New Mexico; and one near
Laredo, Texas, about 30 miles inside the Mexican border.

Consider if you will the position of the United States government
at that time.  They proudly thought of themselves as the most
powerful nation on earth, having recently produced the atomic
bomb, an achievement so stupendous that it would take Russia four
years to catch up and only with the help of traitors to democracy.
They had built a jet aircraft that had exceeded the speed of sound
in flight.  They had built jet bombers with intercontinental range
that could carry weapons of enormous destruction.  The post-war
era had brought economic prosperity and the future seemed bright.
Now imagine what it was like for those same leaders, all of whom
had witnessed the panic of Orson Welle's radio broadcast of "The
War of the Worlds" in 1938.  Thousands of Americans panicked at a
realistically presented invasion of earth by beings from another
planet.  Imagine their horror as they actually viewed the dead
bodies of these frightening-looking little creatures with enormous
eyes, reptilian skin and claw-like fingers.  Imagine their shock
as they attempted to determine how these strange saucers were
powered and could discover no part even remotely similar to
components they were familiar with: no cylinders and pistons, no
vacuum tubes or turbines or hydraulic actuators.  It is only when
you fully understand the overwhelming helplessness the government
was faced with in the late 40's that you can comprehend their
perceived need for a total, thorough and sweeping cover-up to
include the use of "deadly force."


http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/coverup.htm

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It was MJ-12, whose membership most likely already included peope whom I suspect were 50/50 reptilian hybrids and staged the entire meeting at Holoman AFB in the 1960's to introduce the Military Industrial Complex to their full blooded Reptilian counterparts...

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On April 25, 1964, the first official communication between these
aliens and the U.S. government took place at Hollomon Air Force
Base in New Mexico.  Three saucers landed at a pre-arranged area
and a meeting was held between the aliens and intelligence
officers of the U.S. government.

During the late 60's or early 70's MJ-12, representing the U.S.
government, made a deal with these creatures called EBE's (extra-
terrestrial biological entities, named by Detley Bronk, original
MJ-12 member and sixth president of Johns Hopkins University).
The "deal" was that in exchange for "technology" that they would
provide to us we agreed to "ignore" the abductions that were going
on and suppress information on the cattle mutilations.  The EBE's
assured MJ-12 that the abductions (usually lasting about two
hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring of developing
civilizations.

In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:
    (1)  Insertion of a 3mm spherical device through the nasal
          cavity of the abductee into the brain.  The device is
          used for the biological monitoring, tracking and control
          of the abductee.
    (2)  Implementation of post-hypnotic suggestion to carry out
          a specific activity during a specific time period, the
          actuation of which will occur within the next two to
          five years.
    (3)  Termination of some people so that they could function
          as sources of biological materials and substances.
    (4)  Termination of individuals who represent a threat to the
          continuation of their activity.
    (5)  Effect genetic engineering experiments.
    (6)  Impregnation of human females and early termination of
          pregnancies to secure the crossbred infant.

The U.S. government was not initially aware of the far-reaching
consequences of their "deal."  They were led to believe that the
abductions were essentially benign and since they figured the
abductions would probably go on anyway whether or not they agreed,
they merely insisted that a current list of abductees be
submitted, on a periodic basis, to MJ-12 and the National Security
Council.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/coverup.htm

Yeah... There were abductions, cattle and human mutilations and a surprising number of people who simply vanished without a trace... The Reptilians had gotten their foot in the door and were now able to do whatever they wanted and the military, whose security had already been compromised by that harmless looking alien spy, was powerless to top them... From what I have heard from my colleagues who work in the field of Ufology, a field that I was quite familiar with prior to my involvement with archaeology, was that the alien invasion was over and we had lost and were just waiting for the screaming to begin...


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This image was sent to me from a person who claimed to be an abductee, and this is what the abductors resembled.
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Preying Mantis type, insectoids with no emotions.

I believe it to be true as there are many different types of strange looking beings in our solar system and galaxy. Many tv programs and movies (Star Trek, Star Wars, V, THEY LIVE, The Arrival, Alien Nation etc etc) have tried to get us used to the idea that there are other types of beings out there.

For what it's worth, I believe that I am an abductee as well.




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Specialist Sergeant Clifford E. Stone clearly stated on May 9th 2001 at the Washington DC. National Press Club, that in 1989 certain intelligence agencies had cataloged about 57 different species of intelligent extraterrestrials.

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I have a friend that I haven't seen in a few years that was abducted more than once as far as I can tell and she saw all three types on the ship... And she positively identified the insectoids as the ones that were working on her... She was taken on board a ship and taken to a base somewhere in the Hudson Valley region of New York State not very far away from some school... I'm not sure about her genetic makeup but she is highly psychic... One of the aliens actually hated humans and made that fact clear to her... They considered us a rather dumb species that wasted so much time reading books, etc. Then he told her that they just inserted these probes in their children's ears and all the information that they needed was instantly given to them and showed her the probes...

Around the same time, there were quite a few abductions that were taking place in Greenwich, Connecticut with one of the Triangular UFO's actually appearing outside of a radio station that one of my colleagues just happened to be at talking bout the Hudson Valley sightings... Not sure but I think that the ships and creatures were using a modified natural magnetic anomaly in the area as some kind of a doorway... Not sure how it happened, but one of my colleagues figured out how to modify the anomaly so that they couldn't use it anymore... I did visit the site after the anomaly had been re-modified and did notice that the anomaly was just about the size of a manhole cover... My colleague lived near the site and had reported sightings of strange creatures as well as men in black suits showing up on his property and I guess he just got tired of it and decided to tamper with the anomaly a bit... After he took care of the problem, the sightings as well as the abductions seemed to have stopped... I talked to a few of the abductees and they were terrified of these creatures...

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Specialist Sergeant Clifford E. Stone clearly stated on May 9th 2001 at the Washington DC. National Press Club, that in 1989 certain intelligence agencies had cataloged about 57 different species of intelligent extraterrestrials.


True... There were at least 57 species, or what appeared to be 57 species, that visited the earth at one time or another... Most of them seemed to be tourists and seemed to be just passing through, but there were at least 2 or more humanoid species that took more than a casual interest... One group were called the "Oranges" because they had red hair as far as I can tell... Another species had large heads and actually offered to share their technology with us if we would give up our use of nuclear technology... There were of course the Nordics, but I suspect that they were sort of an albino species of reptillian hybrid... I'm pretty sure that I've seen a couple of them. They had more normal looking skin and were wearing regular street clothes but they looked like Nordics to me as well as one of my colleagues... We had apparently got a little too close to one of their Montauk-like research facilities and I guess they just couldn't resist driving by us a couple of times to see what we were up to... We were conducting a tour of some archaeological sites and had a large group of people with us so they didn't get too close to us... We then stopped at a small diner nearby and I could swear that half of the people there, including the children, were Nordic-looking hybrids...

Well anyway... There was supposedly another species that Billy Meier was in contact with that I think he said came from the Pleiades... but they didn't call themselves Pleiadians as far as I know... Billy never mentioned their name... rolleyesNEW.gif

But the most talked about species were the supposed zeta reticulans... They might of come from there but they were most certainly reptilians... and Zeta Reticuli was just one of their colonies as earth is... rolleyesNEW.gif The government is actually doing the channeling if anyone is interested... Just a lot of disinformation and propaganda... And as far as I know, Planet X, whatever it was, was destroyed in 2003... The Anninaki were just another reptilian race whose only claim to fame seems to be the creation of at least one race on earth whom were their personal slaves... The only good thing about them were that they were enemies of the reptilians that are here now... but because the majority of the human race seems to contain reptilian DNA, they might have been our enemies as well...



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