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Posted: Oct 4 2006, 08:33 AM
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October 7, 2006 an exhibit at the Bosque Museum will open featuring the Horn Shelter artifacts and reproductions of the remains. Doug Owsley, who did the osteological studies for the Smithsonian will be featured at the opening. I was afraid these remains would be "buried" once the Smithsonian got ahold of them, but it looks like this is part of the big paradigm breaker which also includes Michael Collins release this month of a paper dealing with the PreClovis artifact found at Wilson-Leonard not far from the famous Gault Clovis Site and just prior to it. One of my forum members is currently turning up PreClovis artifacts eight miles from Wilson-Leonard which bear a remarkable resemblence to Solutrean ones from Europe. It looks as if the Old Paradigm is bursting at the seams here in Texas.
http://www.bosquemuseum.org/hornshelter.htm

Junkman, if you have the gas and time to drive down to Baylor University, by all means do so. I'm stuck up here on the Red River, low on fuel and options.


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Posted: Oct 5 2006, 08:34 AM
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Thanks TA!!!


WOW! That does sound fascinating. I bet Don would love to go. My daughter has been wanting to visit colleges and Baylor was one of the ones she might like to attend. We just might go for a visit. Waco really isn't that far from here, if you can get through the Dallas traffic.




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Posted: Oct 5 2006, 02:22 PM
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Click on the directions and maps the top of the link. It's actually in the little town of Clifton but it's almost a straight shot down I-35. Let me know how it was, if you go. Be sure to look at the press release at the bottom of the link for some photos of the skull reconstruction and the entire skeleton in situ as well as photos of the rock shelter itself.


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Posted: Oct 6 2006, 09:36 PM
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It looks like Oct. 7 isn't possible. Band competition!

This is a permanent display, right? Hopefully, sometime this Fall we can visit the campus and museum. I'll let you know if we do.


ETA: Did you ever find any more information on the Civil War name you were looking for? Don has decided to write his book about North Texas and the Civil War. I think! I usually try not to bother him when he's trying to decide what to write about. winkNEW.gif


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Posted: Oct 7 2006, 04:28 AM
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I hit a deadend on B. Silverman, so it will remain an eerie footnote in family history. We couldn't make the grand opening either due to having to attend to distribution of our paper that day but we will find an opportunity at some point to drive down with the kids since it's not that far and open Tuesday thru Saturday. There has also been activity excavating a herd of naturally killed mammoths near there on the Brazos. The city acquired the land to protect the fossils but access to the public is now limited to prevent looting of the fossils. They hope to make a park of the area but given the present state of the economy, that won''t be any time soon.


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Posted: Nov 28 2006, 08:26 PM
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Hey Tex!


We toured Baylor, but it was on a Monday, so we didn't get to see the museum! It's a beautiful campus, so I'm hoping if she goes there, we'll get to explore the surrounding towns a little further!


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Posted: Dec 13 2006, 05:56 PM
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l'm long overdue for a trip back to Nvdagi.

l'll have to check this out next time.



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Posted: Dec 14 2006, 06:04 PM
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l'm long overdue for a trip back to Nvdagi.

l'll have to check this out next time.



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I had to google Nvdagi! I just love this Ancient History Forum! I'm really learning a lot here!!! bouncemirror.gif


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I learned quite a bit too, visiting the Tsalagiye-Nvdagi site, including the part about the Tsalagi vs Taovaya war. Previously I had read about the Taovayas in connection with the defeat of Parilla on the Red River north of Nocona at a place mistakenly labeled Spanish Fort. It ended the Spanish Empire's ambitions north of San Antonio and indirectly lead to the granting of Moses Austin's colony which was merely to serve as a buffer between Spanish colonies and The Nations of the North, a loose confederation of Indians who would later push Anglo American settlers back hundreds of miles and reduce the number of families here in Fannin County to less than a hundred in 1838. It is evident the Spanish had similar aims for the Tsalagi with regards to English encroachments a century earlier. Wahya filled me in on even more obscure details of Nvdagi history. Thanks, Wahya!


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Posted: Dec 14 2006, 07:03 PM
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Texas is a very special place.

My friends among the Caddo and Alabama-Couchatta have taken me to some remote places deep in the east texas swamps and thickets.

l am sworn to secrecy about the locations and some of the things l have seen out there.

l will say this though - keep digging Tex.

You're right where you need to be.


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Posted: Dec 14 2006, 07:41 PM
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Texas is a very special place.

My friends among the Caddo and Alabama-Couchatta have taken me to some remote places deep in the east texas swamps and thickets.

l am sworn to secrecy about the locations and some of the things l have seen out there.

l will say this though - keep digging Tex.

You're right where you need to be.

Yes it is Wahya!!!


I was born and raised on the TX/OK border near the Red River (I almost drowned in it). My best friend growing up was part Native American. I loved and still do, going to the Wichita Mountains(even if some peeps don't consider them mountains anymore). Sigh, I'm getting homesick now!


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Texas is a very special place.

My friends among the Caddo and Alabama-Couchatta have taken me to some remote places deep in the east texas swamps and thickets.

l am sworn to secrecy about the locations and some of the things l have seen out there.

l will say this though - keep digging Tex.

You're right where you need to be.

Yes it is Wahya!!!


I was born and raised on the TX/OK border near the Red River (I almost drowned in it). My best friend growing up was part Native American. I loved and still do, going to the Wichita Mountains(even if some peeps don't consider them mountains anymore). Sigh, I'm getting homesick now!

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From what l have gathered from old legends, not only Cherokee, but from other Nations, Texas was always a place of high adventure.

Giants, epic battles involving not only native groups but also europeans and cannibals, rumors of Egyptians, Babylonians, Celts and others, lost colonies, paranormal and supernatural sites where people vanish...


The land is filled with ghosts and faint echos of events past.




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Posted: Dec 14 2006, 08:30 PM
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From what l have gathered from old legends, not only Cherokee, but from other Nations, Texas was always a place of high adventure.

Giants, epic battles involving not only native groups but also europeans and cannibals, rumors of Egyptians, Babylonians, Celts and others, lost colonies, paranormal and supernatural sites where people vanish...


The land is filled with ghosts and faint echos of events past.

WOW! That sounds fascinating Wahya! I would love to hear more about the stories! smileNew4.gif I love this stuff!!!!!!!


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