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Posted: Mar 13 2004, 02:20 PM
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ANCIENT AIRPLANES

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Precolombian Airplane Models

"Is the concept of an airplane limited to Egypt? That doesn't seem to be the case. Gold trinkets were found in an area covering Central America and coastal areas of South America, estimated to belong to a period between 500 and 800 CE, but since they are made from gold, accurate dating is impossible and based essentially on stratigraphy which may be deceptive. However, we can safely say that these gold objects are more than 1000 years old."


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"Whatever this object is supposed to be or represent, its remarkable resemblance to a modern aircraft or spacecraft is uncanny."


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"As seen from the pictures, the shape of the sample object is rather ambiguous. The archaeologists labelled these objects as zoomorphic, meaning, animal shaped objects. The question is, what animal do they represent? When we compare these with other objects from the same cultures depicting animals, a curious facet of the comparison would be obvious: the other objects are recognizable, rendered usually with a great accuracy and attention to realistic detail."


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"There are several types of animals which fly—birds, insects, and several mammals, such as bats and some gliders, for instance flying squirrels, oppossums, and then there are some lizards; there are also some fish which for brief periods glide through the air. There are water animals which seem to fly through the water, such as rays, skates and some selachians. But how does the depicted object compare with these choices? All its features taken into a consideration, we have no match. Seen from above, the object obviously has no fish features, but seems to show rather explicitly mechanistic ones."


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"The structures just in front of the tail are strongly reminiscent of elevons (a combination of ailerons and elevators) with a slight forward curve, but they are attached to the fuselage, rather than the wings. In any case, they look more like airplane parts than like the claspers of a fish. If the two prominent spirals on the wings are supposed to be a stylized version of the eyes of a ray, then what are the two globular objects positioned on the head supposed to represent? To complicate the identification even more, the spirals on the wings have their copies positioned on the nose of the object, in the opposite direction. When the object is viewed in profile, the didsimilarity to anything from the animal kingdom is even more pronounced. If the zoomorphic explanation is supposed to hold, then why did the artist cut the head off almost three quarters from the body? And why is the nose is practically rectangular and the cut tilted forward, with eyes positioned at either side, when fish eyes are usually more near the center of bodyline and far forward on the head?"


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"But let's entertain several possibilities. If we imagine that the separation after the windshield is not a cockpit and that the pilot and the cargo were located somewhere in the main fuselage body, then we can envision the nose as something else. Let's assume that the nose is actually a jet. If the machine needs to slow down, the jet flow directed against the path of flight would accomplish just that. But how to redirect the jet into the opposite direction? If we envision the nose as a movable part of the plane, turning around the point located where the nose and fuselage meet, thus pivoting the nose downward to tuck it under the fuselage, that would enable the desired effect. What's more, it will re-adjust the center of gravity and the wings would be just in the right place for a high powered flight."


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"When all the features are taken into an account, the object does not look like a representation of any known animal at all, but does look astonishingly like an airplane. The photos and enlarged outline of the object has been submitted for an analysis to several people from the field of aerodynamics. One of them was Arthur Young, a designer of Bell helicopters and other aircraft. His analysis confirmed that the object contains many features which would fit the airplane hypothesis, but there were several ones which would not fit that scenario. Wings do seem to be in the wrong place—they should be further forward so that their 1/4-chord coincides with the center of gravity. The nose is not like anything on airplanes, as well. So, while the object is suggesting an airplane, some features would not seem to support this hypothesis."


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Posted: Mar 14 2004, 07:33 AM
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That's pretty interesting, thanks PuPP.... I still think we need more 'proof', such as methods of propulsion, creation (metals, alloys, etc...)... still, if we disregarded this in the past, there's more than a chance that we've simply looked over a big metal plate meant to be a wing; we don't know the proportions of these artifacts, the scale they are meant to represent... right?


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Posted: Mar 15 2004, 11:14 AM
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Hey Grim Rebel, there are lots of archaeological coverups going on.

Smithsonian Institution, Vatican and other groups have suppressed knowledge and technology for millenium.

Hopefully, one day, we'll all be told the truth.




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Do you have any references for these assertions? I would like to believe you, and probably - inside, fervently hope for such a thing, but logical proof would be a great help.

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Posted: Mar 15 2004, 02:49 PM
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There's evidence of Giants (bones discovered), but kept from mainstream public.

There's evidence of UFOs in art throughout the centuries.

The small gold sculptures resembling modern aircraft is some good evidence.

Of course, until you see it on tv, it doesn't exist.

Most of America is mind (controlled) programmed by those who control the airwaves.




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Posted: Mar 25 2004, 04:44 PM
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Yes i imagine that the smithsonian and national geographics probablyhas all the rest wink.gif




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Posted: Mar 26 2004, 08:45 AM
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Some engineers decided to use these things as model and make wooden airplane back in earlier part of 1900's. As far as I remember it they catapult propelled it, so no engine, but it flew beautifuly. Perfectly aero-dynamic.




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Posted: Apr 2 2004, 07:23 AM
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The ancient texts talk about air and space ships. The scholars reading them before ever having heard of this kind of thing, assumed it must have been fantasy. That assumption has not been reassessed.

Remember, the word Anunaki means "from heaven to earth" How could they do that without ships?



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Posted: Apr 24 2004, 09:27 AM
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In time, maybe more people will understand that advanced technology has been around for thousands of years. Most likely, The Wright Bros did not invent the airplane in 1903.

Ponder this... in less than 70 years after the Wright Bros "first" flight at Kittyhawk, America sends a spacecraft to the moon.

(I might add... the Apollo craft had less computer power than a modern day luxury car.)




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Cabrera believes that Gliptolithic man knew of existing life in distant stars and had technical devices for space travel without the use of fuel consumption as we know it. Several stones show images drawn on the plains of Nazca that Cabrera interprets as an ancient "spaceport" based on the harness of electromagnetic energy for propulsion of space faring vehicles. -end clip

I found an interesting site on the nasca lines and ancient runways
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Posted: Jun 24 2004, 06:45 PM
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Taken from the current issue of J. R. Church's "Prophecy in the News", July, 2004.


It was discovered in a 2100-year-old Egyptian tomb near Saqqara, Egypt, in 1898, and was stored in the basement of the Cairo Museum of Antiquities in a box marked "bird objects". ...

In 1969, Egyptologist Khalil Messiha stumbled upon it and noticed that it appeared to be, not just a bird, but an airplane! It was built of light sycamore wood and weighed only 1.11 ounces.

More than 2000 years after its construction, Messiha said, "It still sailed easily through the air with only the slightest flick of the hand."

Did the ancients possess the knowledge of flight? A Babylonian text called the "Halkatha" says, "To operate a flying machine is a great privilege...Knowledge of flying is most ancient, a gift of the gods of old for saving lives."

Another Babylonian text, "Sifr'ala of Chaldea", contains a fragmentary, but detailed account of how to construct and fly an airplane. It contains specific comments of copper and graphite airplane parts and describes the effects of wind resistance on stability.

Chinese records, dating from 2258 B.C., tell about the Emperor Shan building an aircraft and using a parachute to escape assassination. About 450 years later, Emperor Cheng Tang built a "flying chariot", then ordered the machine destroyed so that its secrets would not fall into the wrong hands.

*Note: Mr. Church didn't include his sources.


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Taken from the current issue of J. R. Church's "Prophecy in the News"
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It was discovered in a 2100-year-old Egyptian tomb near Saqquara, Egypt, in 1898, and was stored in the basement of the Cairo Museum of Antiquities in a box marked "bird objects". ...

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In 1969, Egyptologist Khalil Messiha stumbled upon it and noticed that it appeared to be, not just a bird, but an airplane! It was built of light sycamore wood and weighed only 1.11 ounces.

More than 2000 years after its construction, Messiha said, "It still sailed easily through the air with only the slightest flick of the hand."


"This object (shown in sketch) was found in 1898 in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt and was later dated as having been created near 200 BCE. As airplanes were unknown in the days when it was found, it was thrown into a box marked "wooden bird model" and then stored in the basement of the Cairo museum."

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"As a result of their findings, a special exhibit was set up in the center hall of the Cairo museum, with the little model as its centerpiece. It was even labelled as a model airplane."


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Thanks for posting the pics, PuPP. I am reminded of Solomon's words that there is nothing new under the sun. Think of where we might be if ancient airplane technology had survived throughout these lost millenia!

According to the same page of the magazine I quoted, they had electriciy working for them in the form of batteries! One was discovered among the ruins of a 2,000-year-old village near Baghdad. It became known as the "Baghdad battey", later replicated, generating about a half volt of electricity. It is thought that they were used to electroplate silver statues with gold.

This puts me in mind that a city called Nibru, later Nippur, housed a "bowl" that was used as a transmitter of info. It seems that this city, about 100 miles SE of Baghdad was/is (?) a stargate.

And we think we are so "modern"!

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I do believe that more than one ancient culture had the power of flight but it is difficult to say whether or not the egyptian model was a glider Working models were constructed and tested. And without a tailplane, one model that was constructed, wouldn't fly and even with a tailplane, it performed poorly. However, as a powered aircraft, it might of worked pretty well. rolleyes.gif THere must have been some kind of stick launcher or something similar that they mislabeled as something else.

Here is someadditional information on the model:

http://www.catchpenny.org/model.html

The part about building and testing the model is here:

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The model was flown outdoors on a calm day to check its flight characteristics and stability. Flight performance estimates were made from indoor flights so that air movements could not affect the measurements.

No tail and scale tail, no ballast.

The model will not fly without a tail or with the scale tail fitted.

The result is always a pitch up if the model is launched at its gliding speed and a pitch down if launched faster, followed by a tumbling motion. Adding ballast to the nose to move the balance point forward has no effect. The result is the same with either wing fitted, except that when the scale wing is fitted the model often tumbles laterally as well.

The model does make a splendid weather vane if it is mounted on a pivot set into its belly under the midpoint of the wing.

Big tail, no ballast.

Fitting the big tail enables the model to glide. Both wings require up trim on the tail, i.e. the rear of the tail must be raised. The result is a fast, not very flat glide.

As might be expected, the flat wing gives the best glide and the model is spirally stable because the high wing provides just sufficient lateral stability to prevent spiralling in if the model is thrown hard and high.

The scale wing is nearly as good in straight line gliding, but if the model is thrown hard and high it will slowly drop a wing and spiral into the ground. Both changes are expected; the scale wing section is rather inefficient and the anhedral built into it makes the model laterally unstable.

Even unballasted, the model's flying speed is fairly high. It does not soar and cannot be launched "with a slight jerk of the hand" (Atlantis Rising Issue Number 5). Attempts to do so merely result in the model flopping to the ground in a level attitude. It needs a full-arm launch at a fairly high speed to fly at all.

The best measured glide angle with the scale wing and big tail is 1 : 2.3, i.e. it flew 3 metres with a 1.3 metre loss of height in still indoor air. By contrast a modern sailplane manages better than 1 : 40.

Big tail, scale wing, ballasted to 21.35g

When the model is ballasted to 21g to simulate a model made from Egyptian fig wood its flying speed becomes so high that it is very difficult to make launches that are accurate enough for repeatable flights. In this configuration it flies more like a brick with fins than an aircraft.

When a satisfactory launch was achieved the glide angle was similar to the unballasted model. This result is in line with aerodynamic theory.


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Does that image resemble a helicopter to you?


Hehe, of course 19th century archeologists had no concept of air or space flight so they attributed everything to fairy-tale magic.




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