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> ANCIENT NUCLEAR ACTIVITY, Evidence of lost Nuclear Technology


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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 05:33 AM
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The following pictures show the evidence of a nuclear reaction that took place in ancient times:

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Pictures are from: Virtual Travel Log

The above desription is accepted by mostly everyone. They agree that at some point in the past, a nuclear reaction took place in the Oklo mountain mines in Gabon, Africa.

The most accepted theory is:
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The Uranium ore body at Oklo is several kilometers long and contained pockets of highly enriched (up to 70% pure) uranium as UO2. The ore was buried underground and in places was thick enough to create a critical mass of uranium. Water percolating down from the surface through cracks in the rock was present in sufficient quantity to moderate the reaction, and finally there were no natural poisons like boron that could prevent the reaction. The reaction generated heat, which turned the water to steam, which escaped from the reactor and reduced the amount of water , which reduced the intensity of the reaction, until the rocks cooled enough for the water to return - and so on - until the reactor reached a state of equilibrium. This occurred in 15 separate places within the ore body and continued for hundreds of thousands of years. In all approximately 10 tons of Uranium ore was depleted in this way.


No one really knows what happened but I thought that this was very interesting indeed...

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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 05:45 AM
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I first heard of the following many years ago:

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Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous.
 
A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.
 
For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.
 
The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.
 
"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.
 
"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."

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For an area of the world accredited with the invention of gunpowder, would we really be surprised to discover that they had also experimented with more dangerous physical forces?

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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 05:54 AM
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The Mahabharata's description is of a weapon, that much is clear. Even a natural nuclear reaction wouldn't produce those effects. there would just be intense heat and irradiation. A slow death.

Nothing like the description of "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe, etc..."

Who made it? Who launched it (it WAS a projectile, remember...)? How did they do so? Why?

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  Posted: Nov 7 2007, 07:01 AM
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Some dates on the Oklo Natural Reactor:
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There is strong geochemical evidence that the Oklo uranium deposit behaved as a natural nuclear fission reactor in Precambrian times: Some of mined uranium was found to have a lower concentration of U235 than expected, as if it had already been in a reactor. Geologists found that it had been in a reactor before -- two billion years ago.

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Dates for Intelligent Life are always being pushed back. I wonder if it will ever go THAT far back...

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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 10:25 AM
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I think this is a good clue...

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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 10:53 AM
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What do you think their involvement is? I certainly get the symbolism, but to what extent and in what capacity?

I'm aware of Oppenheimer's efforts towards "discovering" the technology of Nuclear Warfare, and later Energy, and that the theory of such was in existance MANY years prior to that, but I'm still unsure as to a Jewish conspiracy stemming back almost 2 Billion Years.

Not to say though that I'm not open to new ideas. If you have a Topic explaining the theory, lead on!

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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 11:48 AM
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The ancient (2 billion yr old) nuclear reaction evidence is mostly likely caused by natural forces.

Now, the evidence for ancient nuclear warfare is another matter and most likely ocurred approx 6000-7000 yrs ago.

Just theories of course.


Recommended Reading...

The Evidence for Ancient Atomic Warfare
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(I have it in my archives somewhere.)




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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 01:21 PM
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While looking thru my archives I found this...

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ANCIENT CITY FOUND, IRRADIATED FROM ATOMIC BLAST
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Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous.

A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region.

Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.

The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent.

"A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe... An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendour...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.

"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."


A HISTORIAN COMMENTS

Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata.

"The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli.

"Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out."


ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION PROVIDES INFORMATION

Archeologist Francis Taylor says that etchings in some nearby temples he has managed to translate suggest that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city.

"It's so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. "The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare."

Construction has halted while the five member team conducts the investigation. The foreman of the project is Lee Hundley, who pioneered the investigation after the high level of radiation was discovered.






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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 01:26 PM
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Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology 
From The Anti-Gravity Handbook 
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The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until the second half of this century.

The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war: "...(the weapon was) a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its splendour... An iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.... the corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.... after a few hours all foodstuffs were infected.... to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment..." It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war!

References like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic array of weapons and aerial vehicles are common in all the epic Indian books. One even describes a Vimana-Vailix battle on the Moon! The above section very accurately describes what an atomic explosion would look like and the effects of the radioactivity on the population. Jumping into water is the only respite.

When the Rishi City of Mohenjodaro was excavated by archaeologists in the last century, they found skeletons just lying in the streets, some of them holding hands, as if some great doom had suddenly overtaken them. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on a par with those found at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is-fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.

Futhermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the streets were littered with "black lumps of glass." These globs of glass were discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat!




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Posted: Nov 7 2007, 02:17 PM
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To my mind there is no doubt that a very advanced civilization existed before and during the last ice age. They not only exploded nuclear weapons on the sub-continent but in the area now called the sahara. It is they who built the sphinx and laid the plans for the pyramids at Giza and Angkor Wat (and probaly more at 72 degree longitude intervals) and who seeded the Egyptian civilization.

I further believe that they expected the whole of the Earth to be obliterated by the ice age and fled the planet, taking their technology with them and letting the advancing glaciers destroy the evidence of their sophistication. They probably seeded some proto-civilizations to keep some of their knowledge alive should the ice not cover the whole planet. Without their infrastructure and teaching aids, it is reasonable to expect that the more complex knowledge would be lost in a matter of two or three generations and the scientific struggle would have to begin anew.

Some of our ET visitors might actually be their descendents coming "home" to see what happened back on the old farm. This would explain the similarity between Egyptian heiroglyphics and ET writings.




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Mohenjo Daro, or "Mound of the Dead" is an ancient Indus Valley Civilization city that flourished between 2600 and 1900 BCE. It was one of the first world and ancient Indian cities. The site was discovered in the 1920s and lies in Pakistan's Sindh province. Only a handful of archaeologists have excavated here...
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This general view of houses in VS area shows the color of the brick walls after the use of mud brick and clay slurry for conservation. The lower parts of the walls have the natural reddish color of fired brick and the upper portion is olive­grey mud brick.

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Did we do this to ourselves, or was this done to us?

Some would say we learn so much in the space of one generation to another, I don't think we learn the right lessons...

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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 02:50 PM
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It's been about a year or maybe more that an article came out showing how microorganisms initiated the nuclear reaction at Oklo, you can probably still find it on google. While I don't discount the idea that an advanced civilization (not necessarily human) may have achieved nuclear capability long before our present civilization arose, Childress' story is very shaky. Nobody seems to be able to find the archaeological context for it in all the work that has been done in the past century on Mohenjo Daro and except for the name, the archaeologist who supposedly found evidence for high radiation cannot be found either. The bodies pictured in the photo died of mundane causes (human violence with conventional weapons) when the city was overrun by invaders; that much is documented though much of the details of the Indus Valley civilization remain to be discovered. The mysterious Indus Valley script remains undeciphered though there have been several interpretations put forth much in the same way as those of the equally mysterious Rongo Rongo script. The type of nuclear attack such as that described in the Majabharata would have left traces as unequivocal as that of the Oklo natural reactor and you can best believe there would be shelves of books written on it from all the disciplines. Clearly the area is not so radioactive that people cannot go there, as archaeologists have continued to unravel the mysteries of Mohenjo Daro and its sister cities well into our own time. I think this is another case of Childress being sloppy about checking his facts, a common occurence in his prolific collections of old stories and anecdotes. I don't mean to be knocking Childress; I've enjoyed his works over the years but this one just does not stand up to scrutiny.

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I hate having my favorite theories debunked, sadoriginal.gif but I hate not knowing the truth more. Much more. clapping.gif Thank you for your thoughts on the matter. I assume from your picture/title/previous posts that you are an archeologist.

Hard to argue with credentials...

I'd been looking into the idea of an ancient nuclear weapon for years. The construction of such is not easy, and the detonation is even more difficult. I'd always wondered where the builders would have tested it? Why wasn't it used more extensively? Why did the technology just go away, or as you said:
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Anyhoo, thanks again for the insight!

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