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Posted: Jul 6 2007, 06:27 AM
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Is this good evidence of Africans In Central and South America?
Source: http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/african.htm

Take note of some of the elongated sculptures dating back B.C.

There is evidence that around 800 AD the Mayan people rose up and slaughtered the royal families with the long heads and it helped lead to the collapse of their sacrificial religious practices and the abandonment of their temples and cities. A mass grave was found with about 23 skeletons and they had larger than normal craniums and they were all killed and buried together with their valuables, signifying their royal status.

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Stone sculpture, 5 ft. high, from San Larenzo, Veracruz, dated 900-1200 BC (Kubler 1962).




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Stone sculpture, 9 ft. high, from San Lorenzo, Veracruz, dated 1200 - 500 BC.




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Ceramic sculpture, 1 3/4 in. high, from Guerrero, Mexico, dated 400 BC - 150 Ad (von Wuthenau 1975).




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Basalt, head of man, Central Veracruz, Mexico (10 in. high)-- late Classic (von Winning 1968)



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Ceramic figure, 7 in. high, from Oaxaca, Mexico, dated 900-1300 AD (von Wuthenau 1969).




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Stone sculpture of an old man, from the Totonac culture in the Valley of Mexico, dated 1000 AD o earlier (Simoni-Abbat 1976).




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Ceramic sculpture on a Mochica vessel, 5 1/2 in. high, from northern Peru, dated ca. 600 AD (von Wuthenau 1975).




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Ceramic sculpture, 3 1/2 in. high, from Veracruz, Mexico, dated 300-600 AD (von Wuthenau 1969).




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Ceramic sculpture, 4 1/3rd in. high, from El Salvador, dated ca. 600 BC (von Wuthenau 1969).


Many more images at source link...
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/african.htm




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Posted: Jul 14 2007, 08:54 PM
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Yeah they were in Central, South and North America and also in Ireland BC... and before Columbus...

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Olmec Origins

In the year 1883 B.C. an invasion of Spain took place from the confines of North Africa. Having become a civilized land and weathy due to changes in climate and the presence of many producing gold mines, Spain aroused the greed of Egypt and other North African nations. A king by the name of GERION or DEABUS, with a large army and many ships, conquered Spain and forced the inhabitants to dig gold for their new African overlords. Many Spanish slaves died from overwork under this tyranny.

Records Herman L. Hoeh --

The history of this period is as follows:

Gerion, the Giant                                    34                                      1883-1849
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Gerion was the seventh generation from HAM. He descended through Cush, Saba (the Saba of Gen. 10:7), Gog, Triton, Ammon and HIARBA (compare the last name with the Biblical "ARBA" of Joshua 13:14, who was THE FATHER OF THE ANAKIM GIANTS).

The Lomnini                                            42                                      1849-1807

The Lomnini were three GIANT SONS of Gerion. They were allowed to continue to rule in the land [Spain] after an invasion in 1849 by an Egyptian army under Osyris Denis (Dionysius in Greek). -- Compendium of World History, vol. II, pp.113-115.

The Egyptians slew Gerion in 1849, whereupon the part of his tribe that was left fled to sea in their ships AND SAILED TO THE NEW WORLD. A tradition found among the TOLTECS of Mexico, and preserved by the historian Ixtlilxochitl, declares that at one time there were GIANTS IN THEIR LAND.

Part of the remnant fled to Ireland where they buit strongholds on Tory Island and in the Hebrides.

Herman Hoeh adds that "one of the LOMNINI in Spain, meanwhile, was given to wife a sister of Osyris. A son of the union, NORAC, SETTLED SARDINIA and built the city of Norca. Sardinia is famous for traditionally being inhabited by GIANTS who left the MEGALITHIC REMAINS and GIANT TOMBS."



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Even the date of the arrival of these GIANTS [in Mesoamerica] has been preserved by the Toltec historian [Ixtlilxochitl]. It was 520 years after the flood. (Bancroft, Native Races of the Pacific States, vol. v, p.209). The year of the flood was 2370-2369. And 520 years after the flood -- that is, after 2369 -- is 1849, the very year a great battle was fought in Spain during which Gerion was slain and MANY OF THE GIANTS EXPELLED. Later Indian tradition records the perishing of these giants in the New World in a struggle with the Indians. (Ibid.).
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There are many oblique references to the presence of Black people in ancient Ireland. Ancient Irish mythology refers to the original inhabitants of the island as being a giant, sea-faring people called the Fomorians (Fomors), which means “dark of the sea”. According to the ancient lore, they were a cushitic people from the African continent. Often depicted as demons, they defeated the first few incoming waves of invaders, but could not defeat the Firbolgs, who settled the land and lived side-by-side with the native Fomors.

Those myths may have a factual historical basis. It is proposed that the Formorians were a real people who were in all likelihood sailors from the African continent.

Two more invasions, the first led by the godly Tuatha de Danaan, and the second by the Celtic Milesians, took control of Ireland, mixing together with the Fomorians until they were no more.

There are credible sources for the African association with Ireland. The most likely of these is that they were Phoenicians and/or Egyptians. The Phoenicians were Canaanites, which came from the line of Ham. Ham is the mythological ancestor of the Black nation.

The Phoenicians were also well-known for their sailing skills, and are said to have traveled to the British Isles, which they called the “Tin Islands”. Perhaps, before Ireland was a Celtic domain, which it wasn’t until a few centuries BCE, the Phoenicians colonized it. It is noteworthy that the name Fomorians sounds a bit like Phoenicians.

There is also a legend that an Egyptian princess, Scota, left Egypt with some followers and journeyed to Ireland. Legend has it that Egyptians left many ancient tin mines all over Britain but especially Ireland which was their major source of the valuable metal.
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The civilization of Africa developed very sophisticated vessels.  They built reed boats with a and without sails, log rafts lashed together, dugouts as wide-berthed, Viking ships, double-canoes, lateen-rigged dhows, jointed boats, and rope sewn plank vessels with straw cabins and cooking facilities.  These vessels could be found navigating the Nile and Niger rivers.  The vessels covered a distance of 2,600 miles carrying cargo from food and people, to elephants and building material.  Africa at it's nearest point is 1,500 miles away from America.  This point puts a possible voyage to the Americas in perspective.

    It has been documented that two different African civilizations made the voyage to the Americas.  The first one was the 25th Dynasty of Egypt (751-656 B.C.E.).  Any voyages made during this time would have resulted accidentally.  The Nubians quest for iron ore deposits took them up and down the African coast.  They might have journeyed into the Atlantic after iron ore deposits or a storm could have driven them into the Atlantic.  Once in the currents it would have delivered them to the Americas.  This would put them in the Olmec heartlands at the time of the founding of the Olmec civilization.  The second voyage was made by the Mandiga people of the Mali Empire in 1310 and 1311.  In 1324 Mansa Kankan Musa stopped in Cairo and reported that his predecessor, Prince Abubakari II, launched two expeditions to explore the limits of the Atlantic Ocean.  The first expedition he sent out 200 ships of men, and 200 ships of trade material, food, water.  One ship returned and told of the current that seemed like a river in the middle of the ocean.  The captain watched the ships get sucked away, and then returned with the news.  Prince Abubakari II, after listening to the captain, decided he would lead the next voyage himself.  He took 1,000 ships of men and 1,000 ships loaded with supplies. 

    Some of these Africans must have made it to the Americas, because there were sightings that indicated their presence in the New World.  Columbus himself reported that the American Indians of Hispaniola had told him that "there had come to Hispaniola people who have the tops of their spears made of a metal which they call quanin, of which he had sent samples to the Sovereigns to have them assayed, when it was found that of 32 parts, 18 were gold, six of silver and eight of copper."  These samples were sent back to Spain on a mail boat, and the proportion was found to be identical to what was being forged in African Guinea.  On his third voyage he journeyed to the Cape Verde Islands.  There he found that "canoes had been found which start from the coast of Guinea and navigate to the west with merchandise."  A personal friend of Columbus, named Las Casa, who traveled with him later left the following message:

"Certain principal inhabitants of the island of Santiago came to see them and they say that to the southwest of the Island of Huego [Fogo, or Fuego] which is one of the Cape Verdes distance 12 leagues from this, may be seen an island, and that the King Don Juan [Dom Joao II of Portugal] was greatly inclined to send to make discoveries to the southwest, and that canoes had been found which start from the coast of Guinea and navigate to the west with merchandise."

This travel must have been deliberate if these vessels were loaded "with merchandise."  Although much later, this would coincide with the stories of voyages out of Africa.  Later on Columbus's third voyage he noted the presence of Africans in Panama.  Even Ferdinand Columbus said that his father told him he had seen Africans north of Honduras.

    There were other sightings in the Americas that were reported.  One sighting was by Peter Martyr who reported that Vasco Nunez de Balboa in September 1513 saw two black men in Panama.  Native Americans reported to him that they were at war with a large settlement of these black men.  It was believed these black men were ship wrecked.  Another sighting was by Lopez de Gomara who described the people as identical to Africans seen in Guinea.  The next sighting by Labbe' Brasseur de Bourbourg reported two indigenous peoples in Panama, the Mandinga (black skin) and the Tule (red skin).  Also Fray Gregoria Garcia reports on blacks sighted in Cartagena, Columbia.  Michael Coe even reported that Alonzo Ponce spoke of a boatload of "Moors" who landed off Campeche and terrorized the natives.

    "Alphonse de Quatrefages, author of The Human Species, speaks of distinct Black tribes among the native Americans- Black communities like the Jamassi of Florida, the Charruas of Brazil, and a people in St. Vincent."

There had been many sightings of Africans in the Americas.  Over the years these have been written out of history as insignificant or incorrect.  However the proof cannot be altered.


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The place of origin of the pre-Columbian Blacks who inhabited the Americas has been placed in a number of geographical regions, including the Americas itself. Yet, based on the close similarities between cultural assets found in West Africa, particular during the ancient, pre-Christian Ghana Empire (3000 B.C. to 400 A.D.) and those of ancient Mexico, many anthropologists, historians and scientists such as Ivan Van Sertima (They Came Before Columbus, 1976), Alexander Von Wuthenau (Unexpected Faces in Pre-Columbian America), and Andrezej Wiercinski, the Polish crainologist who concluded that there was a significant ancient African presence in ancient Mexico. Studies conducted by anthropologists, historians and others on the Blacks of Olmec Mexico show cultural similarities not merely with ancient Ghana, but with West Africa in general. For example, Ivan Van Sertima’s quote of R.A. Jairazbhoy’s quote from the Quiche Maya book, the Titulo Coyoi, clearly points to a West African origin and influence for some ot the cultural contributions to Olmec artistic works which portray Black African types or Negritic features.

In his address to the Smithsonian (1992, p.45) Van Sertima points out that the Maya Oral tradition describes artifacts and materials brought Mexico by people who most likely came from West Africa. "These things came from the East (east of the Gulf of Mexico), from the other side of the water and the sea. They came here, they had their thrones, their little benches and stools, they had their parasols and their bone flutes."(3) These items are still very common in West Africa and are used by chiefs, kings, noblemen and their entourages. Such items are symbols of power and influence. In fact, golden stools or replicas are still carried by the Ashanti Nation of Ghana, along with large, multi-colored umbrellas, flutes of bone and ivory as well as trumpets and horns of the same materials

The period in which these observations were made by the Maya may have been anytime between 1800 B.C. to about 1000 A.D. This record may have survived from a very early period in the history of Mexico, when Africans and Native Americans met somewhere in the Bay of Campeche. During this period, whether it was as early as 1800 B.C., or as late as 1000 A.D., Ghana was in existence first as a prehistoric kingdom in what is today Mauritania about 8000 B.C. In fact, this very region may have been the home of one of the most ancient civilizations on earth. According to Mobetter News (South Holland, Illinois), a prehistoric empire called the Zingh Empire existed in the present location of Mauritania about 15,000 years ago. One of its most famous Emperors was Tirus Afrik who designed the African standard, the red, black and green flag.

There are three periods which covers the history of Ghana. The first period was a continuation of a prehistoric civilization which existed in the Sahara during the Wet Phase, when much of the extensive lake covered areas had given way to dry, fertile, forest covered terrain. A culture which practiced agriculture and were connected to the Mende Speaking peoples existed in West Africa. That same culture developed into a great civilization between 3000 B.C. to 400 A.D., and continued to exist up to about 1000 A.D. It was from this Ghana, during the periods mentioned, that most of the ancient Blacks whose likenesses still exist in Olmec stonework of Mexico, sailed from Africa to Mexico.


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