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| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jan 20 2005, 01:58 AM |
| These were sent to me from MagIndi of some objects observed and filmed at North Queensland, Atherton tablelands, Australia. I'll add a description later for this first image when I get more information.  2 UFO Videos  http://www.puppstheories.com/video/PineGap0007.mpeg .mpg - 2 MB  http://www.puppstheories.com/video/PineGap0005.mpg .mpg - 2.9 MB I assembled this animation from 6 still photos sent in. The Constellation Orion. This reminds me of my message in 2002: "Look towards Orions Belt for a sign"  More to come.... |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jan 21 2005, 03:05 PM | ||||||
| More from MagIndi Plasma??? Inter dimensional Entity??? Cloaked craft???  Orb  Enlarged Close Up 
MagIndi, check it out.... Here's another recent ORB from...
Also see the Bizarre Photos thread in our Paranormal Section for more amazing ORB photos. _______________________________________ I came across this image from a site WOWBOBWOW posted. http://thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/ufo_et.htm It reminded me very much of some of the images MagIndi has provided so I added it here.
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| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jan 22 2005, 11:42 PM |
More from MagIndi http://www.puppstheories.com/video/CnvforPupp.mpg .MPEG - 2.8 MB |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jan 23 2005, 01:59 AM |
More from MagIndi Here are some videos which I cannot view on my old pc. If you have a newer Windows OS you should be able to play them. http://www.puppstheories.com/video/25novufo.asf - 2.1 MB http://www.puppstheories.com/video/Cnv0014.asf - 1.9 MB http://www.puppstheories.com/video/Cnv0018.asf - 1.7 MB http://www.puppstheories.com/video/Cnv0019.asf - 1.5 MB http://www.puppstheories.com/video/Cnv0020.asf - 1.9 MB http://www.puppstheories.com/video/NodDave.asf - 4.5 MB |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jan 23 2005, 03:48 PM |
| A big thankyou PuPP and to all that visit the page as they wander through a world for free thinkers let me say PuPP is a man true to his word ,for the people and so again thankyou for the people of our town an any that may learn from or experience anything from viewing the content. i saw the iranian pics an was stunned when stunned aint something i get much anymore when viewing orbs etc,and sent you some stills that match so much so i was lookin 3 times to check,sent in both normal view an negative art view theyre a dead ringer match,whats surprising my partner an i is that it seems that all over the world craft have an are seen to a degree with each area having its type ,yet here its like the "hub",we witness often all ranges an types seen an easily compared to footage from all over the world,i believe the area is a portal,im not sure any would be interested in the detaills so ill refrain. having just gone to the bizzare link i would like to say i agree with prue,my observation of the/these portals shows strong consistencies when researching other places ,consistencies as prue wisely noted such as the country....the geographical layout ,atmospheric conditions etc are among some of the factors ,including and this should NOT be dismissed the flora /fauna/vegetation "imput"to the phenomena that intierests so many of us... so for prue if you ever browse through this page i wanna say to you,the "Redwoods"are ever so important to the orbs,the communication between the two interlocked in ways i havent the space to type here,i have a pic you might like to see,entitled the "kerubim" its a natural depiction of the living entities that reside in /around/throughout those areas,a place that those who gaurd the "seed of life"reside in there time of rest,the kerubim and the many various types an meanings can be found researching the "vedas"ill send if havent already this pic to PuPP and if you ever do read an want im sure he can ,or i can find a way to send it to you......i say this cause when you talk to the orbs...youre talkin to ,one of the faces or aspects of the kerubim an vice versa. ...among the other factors to these special places is the rock,rock type an formation /ageing over time aspect,not uncommonly the past or current volcanic areas crop up time an time again.....there is reason in this ,as we need to eat,sustain ourselves so do they need sustain at times the vehicles used,at times there own physical needs,some are both an one at the same time*winks* within volcanic areas are residual elements chemically that are produced at the time an produce over time around an in the high sulphur rich environments,isomorphic processes result in variations of what techs call "rare earth elements /minerals"rich in the ingredients needed for what our gov says isnt able to be done (organic cold fusion)a lie because one cannot observe whats the "theorized"by product from a supposedly impossible event . these trace/rare earth elements people are as important to those in our high offices as is gold ,for with these elements things like the spaceshuttles body an hull is made from!so without boring everyone further for now because its to easy to ramble on the things learned an shown to me since the ufo/phenomena made itself very known in my life ill say again thankyou PuPP for the platform that you have wich allows us all to "voice"ourselves an to those people that come to contribute an to those that come with enquiring minds i say to you,the power of the few IS strong,you all do make an impact in the world and surrounding environment more than most would believe so keep enquiring ,keep voicing an thinking for without it we as a whole have no future....and no past  peace all....  |
| Posted by: Ganesh2005 Jan 23 2005, 05:45 PM |
| Thanks heaps PuPP for posting the footage I just updated my members site with MaGindi's orb pics I can't post footage there, but have a look at the pics, http://members.optusnet.com.au/zormighty/ Peace  "In PuPP We Trust !" |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jan 23 2005, 06:30 PM |
| Hoy MagIndi, thanks for the kind words... I try my best. Hoy Ganesh.... Wow, I'm No. 2 in your links!!!  EDIT: I just reviewed your gallery. Some cool pics indeed! The rock faces are really intriguing. I can't wait for the best of the best. I'll add some more images to this thread soon. |
| Posted by: Ganesh2005 Jan 23 2005, 07:27 PM |
| Hoy PuPP, you know you're really No. 1 in my book! I only put Gilliland's site first because it's like a sister site to the MagIndi phenomena Feel free to post any of the pics you like from the site And thanks again for takin' the time...you're a champion ! BTW..does anyone know if 12DnAHelix's site is down ? I can't get on. Peace &  "In PuPP We Trust !" |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jan 23 2005, 08:03 PM |
Hoy Ganesh... stop... yer makin me  hehehe 12DnAHelix had several sites... which one are you trying to access? He may have stopped them or pulled the plug... I havn't spoken to him in ages. I posted one of his messages from the Alpha Draconians in the ET/UFO section. He says that the fall of the Rothschilds is inevitable. |
| Posted by: Ganesh2005 Jan 23 2005, 08:34 PM |
| Hoy PuPP, it was the Digital Spores site. I'll have a look for his other site, I'm just fixing dead links. Peace BTW I found I'd saved the thread of his discussion with Wahya on GLoP His info was quite interesting. |
| Posted by: Kyra Jan 24 2005, 11:52 AM | ||
MagIndi, I am very interested in hearing the details or any knowledge that you are willing to share with us, when you have time, please.  The orbs/ufos that were photographed in Iran, I frequently see them where I live, too. They look like large plasma balls, appear transparent, lightning flashing from within, through my telescope, but that could be an illusion. Could be an electromagnetic field around the sphere, giving the appearance of electricity/lightning from within. Without the telescope they appear to be stars, but they flash intermittent colors of red, blue, green, and yellow. My family/kids and I have watched them for about two years now. They dance in the night sky. Moving in little short distances. Sometimes, they will dim out completely, leaving you wondering where they went. Then a few seconds later will reappear in the same vicintiy, fading back into view and full light gradually. People on the net have seen them, too, and call them twinklers. I am amazed that more people don't see them. Sometime we will have from 15 to 30 of them around these parts in one night. I live within about an hour and half drive of Mt. Shasta and I have wondered if this is why we have seen so many around here. It is said that Mt. Shasta is a ufo hot spot. My family and I have seen other types of ufo craft around these parts, too.  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jan 24 2005, 03:36 PM |
| its funny you know kyra why we all call them "twinkles"or "twinklers"what your seeing are orbs,my 1st was a star i still call "lips"to this day an has an auric signature that is definable ,lips got me lookin,then as you i thought damn theyre just bright stars!,not knowing the area of mt shasta i cant really say much about the other factors till i browse for some specs but i can say that simply high up the skies depending on where you are to the equator and trade winds offers what we know as sunny days n clear nights allot of the time so the atmospheric conditions are favourable to see them an hence im sure the locals stories in your area are common. im not sure if u got the post i sent to you via mail in here but i was hopin to hear from you cause sorta knew you had em there ,having browsed through posts over dan in my interests in the particle ill say straight up there wasnt any stuff like remote viewin on my half but lets just say the twinkles talk in all sincerity. as im sure your level headed what you can do is simply use what newton an others have in the past ,observation and practical testing .the twinkling that ure seeing if we still think in regards to the solar system stuff were all taught is called magnitude.you might notice its really excessive an if you keep watching you'll actually see arcs of energy shooting out of them ,sometimes swirling(ill dig up some footage an mpeg for you if want) so stickin to the school of thought that stars are suns in other galaxys moving in eliptical orbits your best bet is to watch a couple of known "constellations" an with a lil research for your area youll im sure see quickly they dont hold to the ol school of thought.the fading in an out can be treated in the same way ,its relatively obvious if the clouds cover em or not but in truth what ure seein is them shifting back and forth ,at first i wondered how the hell it was happening ,possibly refraction off the atmosphere beeing so high up etc,and so as a rough gauge i chose an object and having the average size of the twinkle through the lens in mind fairly much stepped it out! i got a km , and thought it cant be,got 2 and went oh boy.... 2km put my twinkles too far away and it made it appear the object was far smaller! in all honesty by this stage of effort on your part the twinkles will have provided much more for you but its good to come at it level headed,it only gets weirder hunlol one reason some or most dont see em is cause they not lookin,either on there part or the worlds pace of life etc,the other is an actual eye /physical thing,i found my eyes changed,i mean really changed ,i had good vision but things became weird in ways that early on was hard to express,i saw shapes in things that i never did before etc,and so ,if the case arises for you or friends ill explain,..basically in the eyes are rods and lenses,the lenses give ya focus like hawks can zoom in ,an the "rods"give you contrast,horses have poor contrast an see shadow poorly so a showjumpers skill is to give the horse confidence by trust when it comes to jumps with shadow below it just before take off and so i found my eyes via the rods,was why the shapes were more significant apart from any "gifts" one may or may not have was because when the rods are good your actually seeing shade within shade within shades:))a shadow is more than light n dark,theres many layers in between wich i can show one day in a drawing that depicts what im saying.. elementals reside in these places allot ,in days of ol called many things ,touched on by the book "through the looking glass" known by those practicing magic as in between places.to meld the 2 ,left hemisphere(intuitive)an right hemisphere(logic) doctors today call it hypermetropia,(abnormal*lol*vision where distant objects are seen more clearer than closer ones,an even more defined NASA after a man for 4yrs screamed he was seeing radio spikes off some planet like saturn ,with Nasa's reply beein ya ya sure mate,until ol hubble got there an when sent the pics back Nasa took the gentlemen an kindly prodded him an tested in that oh so sexy way nasa do lol to call it something like DCMA(ill have to check ma notes for exact term)but basically to us common folk its known as digital vision. theres honest to godl lots to learn from our twinkles,much theyve taught me,ill not lie ,for whatever our past teaching of the universe its changing as our consciousness does an the twinkles are sentient ,ranging in forms an able to communicate theyre message comes through now as time grows closer,in fact what the mayans called the quickening and we see as damn the days are rollin by quick,xmas was yesterday is really an established fact when one looks to NASA's other friend the military who for quite some time have been having to change the mechanisms of the way they keep time ,well its our friends these twinkles in particular that are doin this wich falls into another area ,as is there style...but what theyre doing is --->compressing time<----wich is what we "feel" kyra..........the experiences i read browsing on burisch material that youve had where the craft change are the twinkles that "watch over you now"theyre not dark as we'd percieve and are taught things here in our level of consciousness but best described as having the attributes we see in nature ,im happy to share anything i can about that wich theyve shown me an hope to get to chat again one day ,ill make time an get some footage to puter format for you where you can watch the twinkles "morph" into the craft you had in your experiences in humble hope that it can validate for you even moreso whatever it was inside you were to learn/experience,a bit like when pupp had the experiences of orion yrs back,seeing it i hope helped there too becuase even though our inner strengths in spirit as strong as they are at times, are always aided by a lil validation:). "a fiery orange star quietly smiles over you an your family,there to protect and walk with you it brings a message when it whispers its love"....if ya find life gives the opportunity take a peek out there cause its really the same as looking within:) im not the best at wording whats been shown to me lately an hope it helped in some way hun but if theres anything you come across with em i can help with im more than happy to ,peace:) p.s sorry bout any spelling,grammar etc im usually pushed for time, only have to ask PuPP n Ganesh how shaaawwkkinnn i am but i thought what the hell,for once ill at least read ma post back quickly an fix the bad boo -boos lol |
| Posted by: Kyra Jan 24 2005, 05:01 PM |
| COOOOOOL MagIndi!! I'm speechless right now. I am going to have to read your post a couple of more times. About mail/pm here? I will have to check. I am so terrible with/about email and PMs. Thanks, so much for posting! Yes, please post again when you have time.  |
| Posted by: Kyra Jan 24 2005, 05:30 PM |
| MagIndi, I checked my inbox and I don't have a PM from you. There must have been an error. I usually get a popup...I automatically log in here at Pupp's so I don't think I would have missed it. Sometimes I don't log in at other boards, mostly just read there and I don't realize that I have a PM waiting for me. I am not very observant or dilligent to check for new messages, or my email. Don't get that many, actually. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jan 24 2005, 08:17 PM |
| ahh thats okies kyra its not unusual for that to happen with nofault to the forum ,it was just a dan burisch question a while back hun no biggie ill get that hurdle after getting some current stuff outta the way,was basically is dan around anywhere or a mythical ghost type thing lol,i dont know enough about the saga but i do know the particle an have something that probly few around could deal with ,dan maybe 1 of 2 so far with access to the tech id need to get something with the particle looked at,i dunno how the fine tunings around here work but maybe mail ya one day with some bits n pieces if youd like ,okies im goto run to be back in time for me night job,filmin the oddities around herelol peace hun |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jan 24 2005, 11:15 PM |
| Kyra, MagIndi sent you an email using the forum software and your email provider blocked it and kicked it back to me. excite.com =THEM and I stopped going there over 3 years ago - it is one of the domains who do not accept email from my domain and list me as a spammer although I never send out any emails. All of my longtime faithful members can testify that I never send emails or PMs to them. I don't like to bother anyone. I told MagIndi to send a PM (private message) next time or use his own email provider. ------------------------------------- More from MagIndi down under....  Rock entity???    Not a shooting star  More Videos of UFOs near Orions Belt  http://www.puppstheories.comvideo/OrionOrbNight1.mpg - 3.6 MB  http://www.puppstheories.comvideo/OrionOrbNight2.mpeg - 4.2 MB  http://www.puppstheories.comvideo/OrionOrbNight3.mpg - 3.0 MB |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jan 27 2005, 07:05 PM |
| worked out the pm an email difference man thankies there,thought id explain the 1st pic on the 1st page quickly wich is basically there are variations of ufo shapes here an varying types of entities ,some beeing both ,that particular one is an etheric style wich passes over often ,it has like this other sub-family style that are like etheric bird or bird shaped wich im not sure if i posted you or any would like to see.i will post shortly some day (early morning )pics took recently of some that look to me like floating jellyfish in the sky!lol only way i can describe em although they occasionaly change density an produce some emission like an intense spark from them.. The one on this page called rock entity?is what id call a straight up "elemental "once called spirit id prefer to call beeing as they walk around n stuff hes actually only little takin using my jvc with whats called telemacro shot wich allows extreme close ups,a cutey i think how hes lookin back up at ya an again represents what id call these repeatable shape/species ,id say i have about 15 that repeat that ill try to log one day in a form that people can read instead of ma scrappy notebook!lol...the one below the lil fella i like an took not long back ,the purple floaters it was well after lunch, i looked up an saw ,pulled the cam up n snapped off some shots ,james gilliland from ECETI commented on this one as a personally liked pic too along with these jellyfish lookin ones i spoke of earlier The not a shooting star was just that ,they do that left,right,up and down,sometimes 2 together,it was the 1st one i got like that cause theyre quick!ill send one i just put together in html form basically just a box set of 9 in thumbnail size that users can click an enlarge ,theyre just some i threw in showing various types of orbs for examples .thankyou again kyra for the interest an im hunting around now in some footage for one of the twinkles when they shoot out the electric red n blue type arcs that extend at times quite a ways ,also the arcs that wrap around them externally while they actually "spin"or wobble 360 degrees,ill get some still pics and vid footage in mailable form like 2megs or so meaning about 1mins or so free streaming footage of the arc/spin thing .,thanks again PuPP an i hope anyone passing through finds some of the visuals provided "food for thought" an if people want to come see this i welcome any to view em for themselves ,peace all ps love them icons,i swear im gonna make or find one that is a gif so theres a piccy of a casket with NASA on the front in a cemetary for background.......it starts to shake.............n BOOM !!!!........all these bones blow out an a skeleton does a lil dance LOL cause i reckon that mob have a few skeletons in the closet!lol |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Feb 1 2005, 09:39 PM |
| Thanks MagIndi, that first image is amazing! Ok, here's some chemtrail photos sent to me from MagIndi taken above his home near Queensland Australia. Operation Sunshield in effect... ...even Down Under!     |
| Posted by: MagIndi Feb 2 2005, 12:56 AM |
| operation sunshield? magindi betta look into that cause i spose one should know what our friendly gov has decided to drop on my familys head just cause we live with ufos in our life! pupp last night dude i had the best ufo yet man,for real ive had more than the av meetings with em but this one,omg man,she flew up the gorge ,in the gorge! ive had this once before wich ill send the footage but jesus man,she stopped an hovered less than 100 metres away,facing off she sat so bright ,the air lit up orange around me,the brightness so intense an with no sound we spoke without words.... its not long people ,the color was amazing man ,a neon orange almost undescribable,this one had no body man,or should i say it was her body,there animate beings ,possibly h3 hydrogen based but OMFG she was beautiful,took some snaps limited at time from condensation ,dead still theyre blurry wich ill post too ,on returning home best i could do was draw the shape,burnt into my mind from the encounter,.... she was big bro,mid size to me is compared to others seen but say about the size of ma house ,the difference was the closeness,o fookin boy was she close...so much was the experience i had tears im not afraid to say ,i want people to know that whateva these are that ive never felt fear,so i share this ,whereas whoever needs to turn the key to the ignition for the chemjets(gov/nasa)are the ones who inspire or try to (fear)... theres not much more to say than fook man,just fook,she was beautiful ,she was SO close ,an orb the size of my house that made the natural GORGE look slimish to fit her.....an when the time came that my mind asked "is it time"she flickered back an i knew ...not yet but soon.... she stayed another few minutes an we said our goodbyes an shared what we had to give until slowly she moved backwards after hovering near 10mins less than 100metres away (NO sound) and gently coasted out the mouth of the gorge 2km down where she entered an rejoined the others ,"twinklin"like the stars kyra an so many have an do see...all around me they moved ,3 star jets back n forth where 4yrs the normal is one tags another on direct flybys,as the other orbs danced in the sky an no shit ,so was the intensity of the magnitude flashes it was like beeing at the damn AC/DC concert LOL... so i share this for the ones out there who seek like kyra an so many others in the face of the gov bullsh*t were all told and taught to think an feel ,and because she was just so beautiful,this intense golden orange orb....... recently too man driving anywhere i have these "golden intense clouds" within them saucer shaped lines clearly visible follow the car for kms on end,at one stage a face appeared before me that looked like some aztec god,adorned in some head dress like sometimes we see on sun dials , it doesnt take much to realize when one finally gets time to finish the job going to an get home all with this happening trying to live in our govs "normal" cough bullcrap world that history speaks often of these golden clouds ,names written on sanskrit tablets in the vedas as "virmanas"or better known lately in the bible as the "chariots of the gods"..... lemme tell ya sometimes inside ya giggle cause knowin oneself ya think inside ,couldnt make this sh*t up if i tried lol ,that an more than often proven by others witnessing when showing them an digicams dont record hallucinations lol.. peace all n keep up the good work PuPP,also ill have to remail ya ,it seems the pics i sent got through ,not that fookin outlook express sais they did as my sent items box has suddenly decided it cant remember !lol |
| Posted by: Hoss Feb 2 2005, 04:13 AM |
| HI ALL Just a quike OO'II to MAGINDI. I got yourpm and did answer get back to me though my E-mail with specs and i will send you but i will need your adress. Oh by the way ya could quirey Mister Ganesh i did him too Hoss EGM |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Feb 2 2005, 04:23 PM |
More from MagIndi  Sketch by MagIndi  |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Feb 4 2005, 02:39 AM |
| Ok MagIndi, you can send them dancing girls over here now! hehehe A SoulArt Phenomena presents Ufos and Assorted Queensland Orbs http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/ |
| Posted by: MagIndi Feb 4 2005, 04:04 PM |
| <---Magindi dances in all seductive like,aww sh*t thats right i didnt pull that off last time either so spose i better gets to findin you a girly that'll lay a big wet one on ya!lol.ma pc did the jiggle on me last night again an a reformat(again)later i may have another shot,ill leave that proggy there i mentioned dude ,not only can ya do the multi image thing but itll link to its own slideshows wich is a hop skip an jump from linkin mpegs to pics in html wich im about to upload a test folder an hope not to R**T it too badly.lol peace man |
| Posted by: MagIndi Feb 6 2005, 07:42 AM |
| just converted about 30 plus mpegs from ma digicam to puter form basically to show or at least attempt to show the inner workins or auric signatures of each twinkle,some interesting stuff in amongst them an prolly worth a peek to any that maybe interested,when time allows ill dig up the real cool ones that shoot out the electric reds an blues from the outer bodies ,some swirl around themselves while they spin around an around ,for now this lot includes some real classic Orb shots,some with faces/images an some that are the Iran similar types but now in streaming vid ,i like the neonish bluey type an think its real purty .ill load up on site over the next day or so in case any may want to view an Pupp ill send ya a couple of sweet ones to archive here if u like as well.Also amongst them will be some imagery in vid form again of my surroundings ,basically pretty shots but some noteworthy factors to a keen eye looking for similarities in the orb field in terms of why they appear in certain places,this includes "Sylphs" to wich ive not really got anywhere near the best ofs yet to puter form but any that like unusual cloud pics with the odd face may find one or 2 mpegs snuck in there all uploaded via moviemaker this time it seems to allow more footage in for smaller megabytes plus most any using windows should have no probs beeing able to view them,okies Peace people |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Feb 11 2005, 08:51 AM |
| More from MagIndi from Down Under. A SoulArt Phenomena presents Ufos and Assorted Queensland Orbs http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/                  I've cropped the images, but kept them in original size. Full size images and originals can be found@ http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/ |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Feb 12 2005, 02:35 PM |
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| Posted by: MagIndi Feb 21 2005, 04:21 PM |
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| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Feb 21 2005, 11:59 PM |
More from MagIndi Down Under....                   A SoulArt Phenomena presents Ufos and Assorted Queensland Orbs http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/ |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 3 2005, 03:39 PM |
| number 3 an 5 on the latest ones man were my favs from that night,they looked as was,,5 had more definition in body to naked eye an really was fookin cool to be honest ,a real swish on the way past,of course theres magindi ,,nuffin but boxer shorts on,cold nips an me trusty cam on me roof top goin "gday again"lol,im compilin crystal stuff at the moment but will update the latest floaties as soon as i can,the full chemjet pics from over home are on page 7or9 or sumfin if any wanna see NASA explain away ice crystals forming off wingtips at low altitiude in the tropics LOL,thanks again guys ,ganesh,nodstar,pupp an the others in our lil team of diehard truth seekers ,peace all |
| Posted by: Kyra Mar 8 2005, 03:27 PM |
| Hi MagIndy, There is a golden orb/twinkler hanging out in our night skies. It responds to me when I ask it to move up or down, or sideways. It is a beauty. I did a quick google on golden orbs and I found this site with a lot of food for thought. So, I thought I would share with you, so that you could compare your findings with their's. Tell me what you think. http://www.awakenedhearts.com/orbs1.htm Love ya, xoxoxoxo |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 8 2005, 07:56 PM |
| coolies kyra:) ill check the link out now hun,the golden orbs are beautiful to watch an love to morph to the crescent shapes ufos in general from my observations ,im glad your seeing action/reaction (interaction)between you an it hun an if more people just looked up they would too really,country or city it doesnt matter bar im sure outrageous cases as the orbs go where they please. Looking at the country you live in on a quick browse though seems you got pearly chances of some good clear sightings :)hope pupp doesnt mind as im not sure of politics on link posts but i put one up at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/gallery2/goldenorb.JPG ill dig up a few more of that family type to post as well as find some streaming footage now this inline video thingy is goin ok an again to any that care to check the first one is on a page with the link http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/sylphs.html hope ya dont mind pupp but i am sending them dancing girls over with a lil something eXtra ,XXX tra but shhhhHHH dont bandy it about ull get all the cheapo friends suddenly arrive at the door for a beer with pocket fulls of coinage ready to slip god knows where to the dancin girlys LOL....okies goto jet but great to hear Kyra n hope ya get time to just sit back,relax n enjoy the twinkles for the beauty that they are,laters all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 21 2005, 04:59 PM |
| what a difference does it make to the dead,the orphans,and the homeless,wether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?..Mahatma Ghandi |
| Posted by: Danbones Mar 21 2005, 05:27 PM |
| Hi Mag Saw my first orb sunday night, flit through the clouds, across a snow covered farm field, while I was havin' an after dinner smoke outside. A perfect blue circle, it did some wickedly quick hoop-de-doos throught the moon lit clouds for about 5 secounds, and was gone. It went in and out of the cloud banks several times in that time. Up this way the the first nations folk say that bears travelled as little balls of blue light. The people here were called the People of the Bear, I am Metis myself. I claim to have been visited all my life, but that was my first sky anomoly, or UFO. What are these orb thingies thought to be down your way? |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 21 2005, 06:35 PM |
| Dan i take it ure american indian or have bloodlines tracing back too?id never heard of the bear cultural story about the orbs an would love to hear the defined version,down here the stories on orbs are only related to what we call here the "min-min"lights..aboriginals known of them long time ,europeans since colonization having seen them also the min-mins are thought of to be cheeky,sometimes leading people astray with there allure,not necessarilly regarded as harmfull or malevolent though.size wise the min-mins are seen mainly as smaller orbs much like fairy-lights wich spin an whirl along pathways ,roads,tracks ,around homes ,generally thought of as elemental types but the min-mins have been known to change size to that wich we nowadays call orbs....i recently heard of a young man who in his backyard held these orbs in the fairy form in the palm of his hand,his mrs walking outside came to see them where they stayed for sometime being observed by the couple until gently spinning upwards to the skys..having had personal experiences ranging in all scenarios i can say the larger ones are no different,still cheeky in nature just larger,the neon blue type i lurveee!real pretty things i have some on site in streaming vid form an still shots ,the streaming vid footage on blue orbs is worth a peek ,you can see what iive come to call there "auric signatures"but basically the orb u saw from a distance shot on fixed tripod,fixed apperature an focus very close up,the incandescent flickers of the inside of them is both beautiful as well as being a way of identifying them,like i dunno,how a marine biologist can name a shark or whale from a nick,graze,old scar on the body so can the signatures of the orbs show individuality,what interests me is if u had the chance to film it close up,would it be one i recognized here etc...james gilliland an i currently share views in regards to these similarities etc,allot being similiar,some things varying .if you research "min-mins" though im sure ull find enough in folklore an more to specify the aussie meaning of thed orb/lights an thankyou for sharing ,theyre coolies hey:)i find can never get enough watching them really,standing before your eyes are things that defy teachings deep grained in us as people from as early junior science.peace |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 22 2005, 05:11 PM |
| heres a quote with depth from an ol aussie hero from times past "ned kelly" ...........*Ive seen raindrops turn into stone that defy gravity*............... big *smiles*theres a man that spent time in nature an even if wasnt directly his,hot damn the writer knew hes sh*t  lets mesh that with somethin biblical for fun , ..........Raindrops are Arc-Angels ,messengers from the heavens that bring love to our world................ see whatever we call god ,the "all that is"i suppose ive always named the big fella/lassy...left us gingerbread trails of truth along the path since time began ,even when the scum that we know as the subtle oppressors lead us astray they cannot but help to unknowingly leave traces behind themselves,for what are they but serving a role ,all beit a crap one in this grand plan of the "all that is",an so its up to us with all the vigilence we can muster with what energy we each individually have to pick up the pieces an slowly but surely walk the long an sometimes lonely pathway back home )years ago i met a man called "grandfather morning owl"a ceremonial indian teacher an formerly a vedanta monk 28yrs where he spent his time researching christs real grave,an amazing man obviously but i asked him back then if he had anything to say to people what would it be ,he replied an i quote directly for his "Message to Humanity".........in answer to the question what do you think is the most important message for our time ?....i would have to say a return to sacredness and an awakening of the compassionate heart,starting with the individual emotional healing ,is the hope for rebalancing planetary ills.Societies are made up of individuals and everything starts with the spiritual and emotional healing of each person "...GrandFather Morning owl..... having been fortunate enough to share time with this soul i thought maybe those here at pupps may like to soak his words in,an as you all walk the path to the true reality i say its not to quibble as to how each individual reaches that goal ,but to give thanks to the many ways were able to get there:),peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 22 2005, 10:41 PM |
ok hope ya dont mind Pupp i just uploaded a really good piece of footage,7mins long the orb morphs into the starjet,the footage of course not dvd quality as is here from original but it gives more than the idea it aint quantaslol...quad style or 4pointed it flys direct over my head ,the first of 2 one after the other,so big it actuallly took a couple of weeks to soak in ,roughly twice the size of a jumbo jet(747)the 1st,its 11meg but inline video means that instead of fully downloading for us poor people on dialup the video mini loads from the website to the browser page so make a coffee an wait 5 or ten its VERY worth it people ,some shorter vids of portions from the larger footage will be ready soon but i really urge any that like a decent what the fook was that vid to take a peek. ...the image here is one takin from the streaming footage an i hope any that like a decent weird ufo /orb like this ,in the future workin on clearer stuff but its not often any get to see the orb morph to starjet in any form so again to those interested take a peek its worth it an i hope it stimulates the questions:) the link is http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/ThroughStars.html or its on front page of site under through stars ,a short term home just to get it up,if any want the smaller mini clips just holler an ill try get them goin quicker ,peace all... |
| Posted by: satchmo Mar 23 2005, 10:42 PM |
| Since the Mount Ida Vortex started on February 17, 2005, the strength of the vortex has varied between ten degrees and four degrees deviation. The period of the variation is about four days, I will need more cycles to plot a more accurate graph. It is not a sine wave. On February 27, 2005, the deviation increased three degrees in five hours and remained at eight and nine degrees deviation for forty hours. During that peak three earthquakes happened off the west coast of Vancouver Island. The strongest earthquake was 4.9. On March 1, 2005, the deviation dropped from 8 to 4 degrees in less than an hour. That minimum lasted a day and returned to eight degrees deviation on March 2, 2005. On a rough graph, the cycle looks like a "square wave". In electronics, a square wave is a simple on-off-on-off cycle, but since the deviation is never turned "off" there is a more complex action happening. There are also smaller cycles buried within the four day cycle. The Okanagan/Shuswap has a large fault line underlying the lakes, but there are few earthquakes. The largest are about 4 on the Richter Scale. Mount Ida is an old volcano which at one time many have stood as high as 10,000 feet but is now less than half that height due to repeated ice ages rounding off its cinder cone. The highest point is the 5400 foot west peak which is a basalt/pumice dyke two miles west of the volcanic ash east peak. The east peak, composed of softer material, is now 4900 feet. The vortex appears to be four miles in radius centered on the magmatic plug beneath the east peak. I initially guessed that the vortex was smaller, one hundred yards in diameter, similar to the Oregon Vortex in Gold Hill Oregon. Performing a Google search on the Oregon Vortex, it still exists and covers about 3/4 of an acre. Tom Brokaw of NBC News reported on the vortex in 2003. Without surveying equipment and sensitive magnetometers, it is hard to plot the extent of the Mount Ida Vortex. My house is located is nearly four miles due north of the east peak and on a bench on the edge of the mountain. The vortex "wall" is just north of our house. The fluctuations in magnetic intensity also makes the plotting of the "wall" difficult. The Adam's Lake First Nation's tribe have much to say about Mount Ida. There are legends about a doorway opening up to the inner world once every Fall and people of the inner world coming out and telling tribe members about the coming winter. Also green orbs of light are seen when the doorway is open. Most UFO sightings in the Shuswap Lake region are at Notch Hill near Tappen BC, fifteen miles northwest of Mount Ida. Several years ago, a man saw a number of green lights coming out of Mount Ida. Brian Vike of hbccufo@telus.net , reports the southern interior of British Columbia has had a great increase in UFO sightings over the past couple of years. As this vortex event started in late winter, it may or may not be part of the Fall doorway to the inner world legend. Regardless of the UFO reports and Indian legends, there is an extremely strong magnetic field pulsating from Mount Ida. I have no idea on the dates and durations of previous vortex events. No doubt the current magnetic anomaly is not unique. This sort of magnetic phenomena is unexplained in textbooks. It is a magnetic tornado totally different from magnetism used in electric motors. As this vortex cycle started spontaneously and there is no apparent seismic/magmatic activity under Mount Ida, it is most likely either a tributary affect of the planetary magnetic field or a hyperdimensional free-energy event. MagIndi, I thought this seems similar to what you've been experiencing so I posted it here. Have you taken any compass readings in your area to see if there are anomalies? Mount Ida looks very much like a pyramid too btw.Heres a link to see mt Ida, British Columbia,Canada. http://www.bivouac.com/MtnPg.asp?MtnId=547. Also some interesting native legends abound in the area.  satchmo. |
| Posted by: Ganesh2005 Mar 24 2005, 04:45 AM |
| hey satchmo, nodstar here... corrrr! you do live in a nice place... beautiful pic!!! Yep! sure does look like a pyramid formation, only gindis has gum trees all over it,not snow.... Funny you should mention magnetic vortices,I was going to mention it on the orion thread.... not far from magindis, theres a place called MT HYPAPAMEE, known to the locals as ''the crater'' due to its being, the remains of an ancient volcano. Whilst visiting, last year, a mutual friend of ours,was giving me a lift home one nite,and pulled up at the intersection at ''the crater'' an said 'check this out', put the car into nuetral gear and proceeded to roll UP the hill! Whatcha think nod?? Well it had been a holiday full of events, that defied explanation.. The only answer i could think of,was that,maybe it was something to do with reverse magnetic polarities.. It seems, satchmo,that the info in your post, goes a long way, towards an explanation. I can just see magindi now..digging out his ''acme magnetometer kit" and heading off into the wild blue yonder to ''take a reading''! Thanks so much for the info, an keep us posted! peace, love, n, mungers..... nod  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 24 2005, 10:14 AM |
| *waves to noddy* an wispers i wanna one a them Magnatmoeter thingys ,i heard they make ya last longer in bed!*scratches head*or ws that ,uh...LOL YA man i see specs where you live again show the necessary conditions for the annomlies ,thought u mighta had more but my question is do you have extreme volcanic activity of large proportion,lavatubes etc under ya?or just average activity?it factors in fairly big on a few levels from mineral deposits washed out an or formed over time etcetc,including basalt ,granite etc ,heres one for fun,find a good clump of basalt/igneous rock man,grab a sledgy(lge hammer) an give it some ,as the piece inevitably gives up an splits take a peek inside the guts carefully ,dont be surprised to find things like (eg from my observations)single or sometimes up to a few ,an only a few!tiny tiny hair like strands of moss,whats say for a guess that moss has camped quietly waitin for the day to come when it breathes the air an returns to active life/duty...not just incredible given the fact our asses cant hold breathe 30secs in the bathtub let alone thousands of years in stone ,but wander over to NASA our caring friends of humanitylol an refresh yaself on the microbrial research nasa actively study an ask yaself why would they,well its cause without tellin the cattle(thats us apparentlylol)theyve twigged to the truer reality of these single celled lil fellas havin as much noggin as our much raved tesla;)an these lil "unobtrusive"an unsung heroes;)ull find are as much a factor in the magnetic annomolies as anything ,with further research im sure linking folklore stories back to these quiet lil treasures.the folklore /legend stuff unfortunately livin in this world weretaught to not really respect those views but in all reality an our heart of hearts knows we should cause they wernt sayin it for no reason,even at times if the storys there to only teach the faint lesson it is still always the quiet teacher:)now as im knacked today an didnt get as much time as woulda liked to scan ure country the other factor that will clinch it is water,running water ,both rainfall produced an artesian well stored?if thats the case an you have runoff forming enough to give mouth end of the water some descent movement at ill bet coinciding periods in the year then the forces at work are crystal orientated ill bet my ol dears titties on itlol,tie some of these things in to be brief an obviously ure no slouch with the thinkin cap;) what ya got is a magnetic force "naturally"lol occuring giving rise to a base that renews on cycles due to ya earthy forces ,an at times other phenomena being able to tap these sources freely an cleanly as is there unique understanding an communication with.....to produce via polarization of opposing crystal faces partly as necessary to generate initial force also to act as a "dampener"for some byproducts that chiefly represent problems only via the visual phenomena more than anything as would give it away to the commonfolklol (auric lights not at the ice caps might start lips talkin an brains thinkin;)ie polarization of well placed crystal faces will act much like our camera lens an apperature settings effectively dulling the "reaction period"..bear with me lol,to the actual real process of creating the free energy giving string of elements we know as H3o,using a magnetised polarization process to initiate what wed call organic cold fusion to produce the wanted result being aformentioned H30.......by products left behind are safe as ,minimal residue ,source components still active ,healthy an reusable infinately with nothin more than at times the odd waft of ozone an a lil photoflash lightning night without any real weather to give reason for it;)....side tangents also worth mentioning are the "names"of surrounding places,areas an industries ,none of wich will be coincidence when the similarities an knowlegde/truth start to roll with momentum just like water plummets over the fall with ever growing force,its all linked man,were all linked even geographically,the outside medium of the material trully a living expression of the inner left hemisphere ,spiritual concepts an thought,damn man wish could talk more bout the lat/long details but im sure ive raved n prattled on enough madman babble for now from the now very leepy magindi,thanks man for the post is very helpfull connecting dots on my trudge through the murk to clearer waters:)maybe one day if havent bored ya brainless we may get time to match some thoughts on the specs of degrees an minutes as without doubt another clue lays waitiin there for us to possibly understand,so cheers dude an thanks again!to cut the mustard man ure a fuellin up depo for life thats been here well before our folklore was a baby in nappys,an they got a thirst for h30 :)this said only if as mentioned earlier the water source factors are there as described or somewhat like,ive takin the gamblewith me mums ol titties(not a big gamble ,not losinmuch eh) an thrown the dice you do to bet its fair to assume a lil research in the direction proposed is valid enough to ponder,okies gotoooo goooooooo,an ya know a tired magindi is a norti magindi lol ,peace all |
| Posted by: Kyra Mar 24 2005, 09:57 PM |
MagIndy, you are such an interesting person. You have so much to share that I/we can learn from.   Dan, Nodstar, and satchmo....very cool!  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 26 2005, 08:11 AM |
aww thanks hun but ims just a widdle magindi ,shy an unnasumingly trying to make my way through this Norti world lol..im glad if anyone gets anything from these pages even if an mainly im sure from the subconscious recognition of the shapes that translate to messages from within the orbs representing our inate yet genetic knowledge an links of communication that inherently comes with or as a byproduct from that,id just like to get the expressions they have here out to any that wanna listen to there subtle yet strong messages for us all,...i have thought more than a few times to put all thats been shown in near 5yrs down in abook,but naww it seems im best just doin what im doin although the atlantis /lemurian story thats come from sharing time with the orbs /ufos is damn interesting from the viewpoint thats been shown to us here....anyhoos i thought id leave with a cute orb takin back a lil while,not one of the better ones of it but my impressions see the shape within as a cute smiley face,i get a giggle ,now theres a true orby smiley face!!:))peace all  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 26 2005, 08:19 PM |
| Orion still really activated i decided to go through some footage around the series of the 3nights in a row ,a single snap of a ufo buzzin about as one other flew through the centre of orion took my eye an so i just made a quick page of the original pic with an enlarged view underneath where within that ive zoomed/magnifyed it 2wce more ,an interesting craft,seen it before over the years now.nothing more than that bar the page also leads to the footage where ive spliced all3nights together in one video that plays inline ,or on the webpage to shorten downloads for us peasant modem /dial clients...the separate videos of each night 1 ,2 an 3 can be found here at Pupps on page one of this queensland ufos subject page . http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/orionzoom/zoomvieworionufo.html above link will navigate you to the above mentioned page to any that find these ufo/orbs an the orion interaction at all interesting ,peace all. |
| Posted by: Vianova Mar 27 2005, 11:39 PM |
| Satchmo Your link actually states that Mt Ida is 10400 feet high. I could not find info on a volcano there, but I am sure that you know this to be true. Regardless, I am fascinated that the "vortex" appeared on Feb..17? this year, "over the magmatic plug" as I go in the mountains around the Okanagon fishing , south of that area. Did you have instruments that picked it up, or is it something that you see? The reports of orbs form Mt Ida, could be possibly a ball lightning phenomena stimulated by the "magnetic intensity " you reffered to? I remember the Mexican jet that was chased by 12 orbs that appeared on radar only. Ball lightning is a real phenomena that travels, moves, glows, etc. Alien lifeforces that are exhibiting life as light energy, may be another possibility indeed. Ball lightning is a phenomena that Russian scientists are investigating in relation to cold fusion. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 28 2005, 12:43 AM |
you can bet ure ass its fusion,organic cold fusion to be clearer,heres a sketch just wacked together to give some clues ,its all about,geographics ,geology,atmospherics etc etc,thats why the russians study it,cause its real an valid study,not the impossible theory some physicists claim.the pic attached u may notice as a classic over the years,heres an idea why........sorry to intrude just damn glad too watch people stick it all together ,an want to add what i know all will find along this particular path of realization,because its all the same truth so to speak ,no matter where along the pathways we come from,the same truth,the same resulting answers,peace having forgotton to add that (in relation to pic/organic cold fusion) as the process is changed in the final steps the polarity of the electric screen around the chamber is reversed ,allowing the molecules to reassemble an in a nut shell the origninal hydrogen an oxygens reforms so we see the "woosh"as it falls back to the source it came left without damage an reusable time n time again...cool stuff really ,damn shame NASA continue to bullsh*t us its impossible.now if yas thought that a lil off the subject i can only say i added as its a few that use the technique,one mob beein the Orions |
| Posted by: MagIndi Mar 31 2005, 11:06 PM |
| within the next day or two im about to upload something that people can believe or not ,but i feel that time will tell our story here regardless of if others have the wisdom to listen now,for over a year weve had a variety of "visitors" ,ranging in physical forms the first an strongest still really hit home when up the road talking to a friend one night his young lad about 13 at the time opened up a convo about a dream he was having that reoccured,now a day before this id said to my partner shi*t ive been putting this one thing off but a female entity had been visiting now a long time,deeply inground into the country,an much older than what one could term a ghostly spirit her form is expressed literally on the rocks an in the landscape of the immediate country around me an these ufos,an as chance would have this was the lady in the young lads dreams ,the connection blew me away as i was featured in this dream strongly also an so it gave me the strength to take the time an step through some fear to open to this being . intense murals at times over 15ft high of such purity artists have told me from the things ive shown them its unbelievable an would take them very long amounts of time to reproduce such is the complexity of the pictures.she talks,she walks ,an to date ive stood close to her but not touched ,for 2 reasons ,one its obvious ,2 i dun wanna flinch when my hand feels whats very obviously there....im not claiming im a telepath but she speaks from this point via a clear mind contact even though she has lips to breathe.my interpretations of these events an stories shes told i havent expressed to anyone but a handfull of people,less......but i can say this being is older than our history goes back,one of her many forms in the feminine shes also known as many other things through our historically documented past ... choosing to be recognized at least for now to me as one called "..morenee'.."i will post a series of pages to introduce another aspect to the orbs an ufos,one thats as hand in hand with ufos like our friendly gov ops. with nodstars help weve put together enough to get any interested started on this tangent path of truth ,the rest of the story an understanding comes as one walks the path of remembering ,suffice to say for now another of morenee's forms was what our history once remembered as "The fates" or "The furies",our history remembers this one from times as far back an further than greek mythological legends.until now ive refrained from expressing the other aspects to this phenomena,these annomolies in our lives here but i feel regardless of peoples judgment that its time to give some of this story been told here now nearly 5years,if only for one person who may read this an who i may never meet to find some meaning in this an continue the task at hand ,so when complete wich is very soon ill post the links to pages an something here to allow any that find themselves drawn to sit ,listen an remember if they so choose,morenee is what one would call a "tri entity"an the introduction is narrated by another tri-entity ive known many years in my life named "Damascus"i force none of this on anyone an only offer to any that are drawn in interest a viewpoint from outside of our own earthly perspectives, peace all.  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 1 2005, 08:47 AM |
just popped in to add some preview pics of a new gallery of the venus family Orbs,Earth lights or ufos ,whatever label makes people comfier lol,morenee's body of work in the form of an introduction ,some starter topics ,info an addies where one can take a walk down our forgotten history while understanding this unique tri-entity..no world breaking stuff sorry pupp,hell i could have a living 100ft dinosaur here an couldnt get the local pound man to collect it let alone dare i say help in the form of those that advertise themselves shamefully as australian ufo "researchers,or investigators"for the truth that happens daily here at home.but...take a chance,an just in case that magindi isnt too far off the ball take a seat an ride the wave as the story itself guides us somewhat closer to the bigger truths,in understanding maybe not the things people want ,but what is needed along the path to it:)  Original Image at Link Below http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/images/Picture%20503.jpg ya know all that ive ever posted both here,soulphenomena or anywhere is less than 30%of only the total footage takin in the last 6mnths really,theres material dating back to around 2002when first got a cam,before then standard photos.,to date for an unknown i cant find anyone close bar james gilliland to equal the sheer volume or body of material,so thanks pupp for a place to air it in the thought someone,somewhere can make use of the sitiuation here at home. http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/venusgallery/venusgallery.htm is a new gallery to check out of some good ,vibrant snaps with some info in text attached to some of the pics within gallery  ----------------------------------------------------- EDIT: Resized image to fit forum text field ~ PuPP |
| Posted by: Parinthian Apr 1 2005, 10:29 AM |
Truly some incredible photos you got there Gindi. Ever try to approach them even closer? How close are you to them when you are snapping the shots?  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 1 2005, 12:33 PM |
| mostly when able to due to layout of country when approaching them they back away at an equi-distant rate....an on the same theme when u back away,they move back in at that same equi-distant pace....can be frustrating but they are an have always had this cheeky sprite-like nature about em,i mean i stopped following the stars like a good scout 3yrs back when fixing on the southern cross got me a good 4km off the track to realize u gammin feckers,an to boot copped an nice 2hr time loss even givin the factoring in of being led off-course, more times than can count though i spose ive gotten anywhere from 30,to 100metres away,theyve ranged in size from orbs the size of medium cars (thats intense light,,the glow projecting further outwards)all the way up to the size of my house at around 100metres.starjet wise the biggest was about 2jumbojets 747's in length ,that one flew direct over me head 12,oclock,it has a few times but ull find some vid of it on front blue page at soulphenomena site under the title "through stars",i slipped it in under another title recently just to get it up,itlll take about 5mins to load via the web page an is only webcast quality but worth a peek,the first time it did that took me 2weeks to really,realize how freaking big it was,,an even on the webfootage its clear its not far over me at all,yet it coasts by soundless,cows fart louder lol an the cam at the time (sony nightvision)is extreme for audio ,hear the grass crunch underfoot yet nuffin ,the star jets make sound or not ,at there leisure wether less than 100metres or more ,same with electronics like phones,they can be right there an im on phone to mrs describing it with picture perfect quality so to speak,an again on opposite hand they can screw ya phone ,drain the battery or change settings within ya cam itself from 2kms away like there damn fingers are on the buttonslol....weve had things like AAbatteries seriously MELT in my car....in my work box.....in my carport lol weird stuff when there close include the classics like animals such as frogs go rank,the chorus so loud it almost hurts ,umm ive been behind my back shed filming,we have a rain tank on top the shed roof that can pump water up to for gravity feeding down (garden stuff blah blah)yet while filming the overflow starts to run with water from top down past me ,yet er,the tanks near bone dry,ask me how dunno but can even hear it tricklin on the cam footage playback,......trees when theyre close an this is a constant actually freeze from half way.....up....underside of leaves like *flick with finger*snap frozen solid*an again,err were in the tropics lol,...my all time fav freaky moment was one early on in the game,almost now thinkin in hindsight like *pegleggin home sorta like a lame horse*i watched from out the back underneath the shed near my horse stables,whilewatching i notice drips start drippin on my head etc....turnin on ma torch i see all the galvonised iron sheets are bar slight moisture bone dry....but the damn sheet im standin under is like near rainlol.,at that stage i do the runner from one side of shed to other thinkin couldnt be could it....an less than 30secs later that damn sheet of galve overhead starts the same thing ... on one night of 2 that ive filmed them in a cane fiield zippin around at wich i can only think they were crop circlin it (alas no suger-mama to pay for me to chopper overhead to verifylol) i was at the 30metre range,even gaming it to enter the 10ft high cane but it played run away come back games,so sittin on the edge of the field i sat in the 30mtre range ,it was the med car size style in its intense light size,with further softer light still exuding yet further,whats weird is to the eye an on close inspection of footage later the internal view of the intense light shows the source not to be round like first impressions but shapes like octagons etc,clear cut straight lines forming geometric shapes more than the circular they appear to be. obviously if they freeze the tops of trees when close yep,they freakin cold an yet as the exterior skin temp is an feels freezing theres an odd warmness inside ,sometimes still an early on it would trick me an the result is you stay longer,nowadays i try to bear it in mind becuase the warm feeling is basically you getting ure ass fryed ,an i mean "fryed",as ive noone to compare with as far as hrs logged under these things i can say it ends up really hittin home the next day when waking up,very lethargic,radiated in some fashion ,its consistant an not a mind thing rather than just plain physical,to finish one of the last bloody pearlers i posted back on this page with a drawing as my cam did the *bling bling*on me an was limited to 16%zoom an memory card still pics,but this girl was huge ,i stood at the edge of a gorge on a flat granite base...she flew in the gorge from star level an entered about at least akm down ,floating silently up she pulled short 100metres away(marks left behind an knowing country was def 100metres tops)...it was the size of my house without doubt ,the damn sides of the gorge she made look like a snug fit lol yet heres the thing.......as she hovered in front of me soundless,i was illuminated clearly ,looking down to see my chest n legs the colour of the Orb(orange that one was)yet the REAL trip was the sides of the gorge wernt illuminated??the light these things emanate at times is just freaky ,internally it was beaming like beein down town tokyo ,illuminating me yet not the things one would have thought for sure it should have,dont ask me somedays,im just the stupid bugger this crap happens to loll but its how it is... attached is a properties picture from an original that ud a seen in the gallery just posted to show some stats ,all my pics have that detail an more depending on puter settings,the last gallery i can say i never pushed the zoom over 80 degrees an im allowing some,somewhere between 60-80 a fair average to say,givin it goes to 700 u get the idea ..  just a rough pic but hope good enough to make out the figures... Ive just finished another gallery of sequential shots from the blue vivid orb thats on the web pages front page,its up an goin at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/bluorbgallery/bgallery.htm really soft to start if you click the thumbnail size pics they enlarge where ull find ive occasionaly added comments,an as tired look for the stabs about the aussie investigators"helpfull comments" ,a combo of im tired /naughty an damn sick of ignorance lately lol so forgive me if took some strips off there tired asses this time having to cruise yet again apologies for my normal type like a madman an run style with the customary cant be fooked typo checkin crap but to any that like a good shape game i ran across a nice subtle yet striking pearler of what i see in it as the freakiest ghosty luminous face/skull ,,with a faint outline of neck to shoulders,the luminous qualities make it worth a peek alone but im open to hear anyones impressions of what they see in it if anything as im always interested in others interpretations of the shapes,so if anyone looks an sees whatever in it take the time n post up guys theres nothin to lose,ure safe ,how can ya look nutty next to da crazy magindis posts lol so add to the pool of knowledge an peek at this ghosty found at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/images/ghostface.jpg peace |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Apr 1 2005, 04:29 PM |
| MagIndi, when you post images please make them NO WIDER than 580 pixels so that they fit the forum text field. Thank you! http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/images/ghostface.jpg I see it - dang that is freaky! At first I didn't see it... but I can make out its right eye, forehead and nose clearly. Gonna give me nightmares for sure! |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 1 2005, 05:45 PM |
| lol it is a lil freaky when the image shows itself to ya dude,ive got some real classics hiddin here in the magindiXfiles lol,cool on size dimensions i was waiitn on the word,dun forget im runnin screen resolution at 1600x1200 kick ass graphic card n software as this puter is a made for graphic designers an engineers,with super vga monitor sometimes the freakin pictures damn near start walkin around the screen for ya ,goto check theyre Not gifs. lol,although *sobs* i was contemplating the ful screen layover from site to site lmao ,wait n see what that ol crazy magindi digs up next from the MagindiXfiles,i have the damn time now ma fookin cam is in the shop again, oh ya this life is a walk in the freakin park here lol...waiting on last of the morenee research to load up so can finish the intro on that but for now heres the link below people to the preview page an intro on an entity as old as mother nature,an one of the true sources of where we came,an so i leave the word out there for people to mull over,judge or critisize away ,wrap ya noggin lids around the possibliities of those universal beings that words here can only begin to describe as the "worldbuilders" ,those that gave our mother earth life itself.<----wonders just who if any feel ancient whispers tickle along the hallways of their minds hearing that word http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/images/moreneestory1.jpg |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Apr 1 2005, 06:50 PM |
| http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/venusgallery/venusgallery.htm Cool Gallery! Amazing images! |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 1 2005, 08:46 PM |
| thanks man appreciated makes the work worth it,ive got one more up in relation to the quad ufo footage where it goes over my head 12,oclock style,i over compressed the footage a lil to much as im dial up to get it up on site so the still pics in this gallery are less vibrant an grainy from the compress rate but.....never the less some shots at start to middle show the configuration basics from the lights positions,from the middle of gallery on it gets to close ups of almost orb lights but its the star jets ,trying to get what i could as it flew over yet as normal its right there!an the cam fails to really ge the "body",most wanna see,still worth a peek though ,when my cams fixed(again grr)im gonna make the time an upload the shots i filmed of about 30/50secs tops of one flying by at "predawn"well light but not sunrise yet.....at its clearest (even viewed on a home tele widescreen tv)it still looks like you can put ya hand through it !!an trippy thing sorta eluding to the fact of the interdimensional aspects of things....only beaten by the fact that the footage is clear enough to show it has no wings!its a straight up saucer ,peace all n thanks again Pupp. http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/quadgallery/quadwebpage.htm ps stay tuned for the updates on the MagindiXfiles LOL |
| Posted by: Vianova Apr 2 2005, 01:03 AM |
| I could not see a thing in the ghost face image. Organic Cold fusion.. I will post this again now High voltage erosional water discharge http://balllightning.narod.ru/hvewd.html Formation of plasma column and/or mushroom-shaped object Now check out the reference Emelin S.E., Pirozerski A.L., Egorov A.I., Stepanov S.I., Bychkov V.L. **Ball lightning modeling via electrical discharge through the surface of a weak water solution. Submitted to the 10th Russian Conference on Cold Nuclear Transmutation and Ball Lightning (RCCNT&BL –10), Dagomys, 2002, and to international conference ** "Abnormal effects in physics of high densities of energy (macro and microcosmos)", Yalta, 2002. then go to http://balllightning.narod.ru/wdemf.html and you will see little dome shaped lightnings from a test tube {Minbari reported giant dome lightning oiff the waters of NZ} So would assume that the enormous dome lightning you saw , was on a parallel to this science experiment formation , but in nature on a grand scale. Russian Conference on Cold Nuclear Transmutation and Ball Lightning http://balllightning.narod.ru/golub02/mw/wires11e.html "Investigation of long-living plasma formations...The burning of metal wires by electric current of medium magnitude, at proper choice of the discharge conditions, results in generation of long-living plasma formations. " |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 2 2005, 05:45 AM |
| ahh thankies Vianova ,see people Pupp an Vianova just proves that wether or not you see ,or dont see,symbology or anything makes none the better or worse ,nor does it take away from the validity of the inherent shape dialouge /communication process inbuilt within our cellular memory ,the great point is they had a damn go,an were honest about there response,i respect that ,also like parinthians post back a page or 2 on orbs...good stuff an thanks Vianova an Pupp:).....ok ,just got a basic version of an inline slideshow up yayyy! an in true aussie style i think i yelled out sumfin like "F*cK my Brown Dog! LOL ,its temporarily on the front page at soulphenomena under "Magindis skull"on the right embedded with a song from J.Lennon's "imagine" ,also the latest gallery exetending on from the same arvo pics that came out nice n vibrant,its on the link http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/galleryonevenusfamily/galleryoneof200.htm the first pages posted earlier were shot at around 4 through to 5 ,this page (link above) is takin later at 10pm same night ,wasnt a bad night really of movement ,okies all peace an thankyou Vianova ill check all links when can ,quick peeks were spot on the knocker for tech answers that apply an connect to the earlier posts on organic cold fusion ,thankyou:) |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 3 2005, 03:51 PM |
| still workin on the finer points but theres about 15more vids n slideshows up,go through em any that wanna see some good orb/earthlights....some ufos through stars stuff an a couple of just plain pretty stuff http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/soulslidetwo.html the above link is to "sunset in magindis backyard"pretty stuff with some scenes of the ufo active areas. http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/blueslide.html as titled above this one is really good i reckon,the blue orby featured in one of the better galleries an the phenomena front page picture this slide show is set in still shot sequences from the night i filmed it ,day actually it was 4.30 in the arvo http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/soulinlineslide.html the first one made this isnt too shabby with a backing picture of a being i drew early on in the piece from the scene around home here,i always found this one interesting from the fact he had crystals embedded into his palms,peace all oops as a last note to any that view em ,right click inside the video screen itself an options to zoom in or out are available as well as raise or lower the sound on some of the clips that have sound with it.. |
| Posted by: Vianova Apr 3 2005, 10:14 PM |
| Reassessing 'organic cold fusion" are you basically saying that tthe ball lightning like phenomena are lifeforms ? Comets contain millions of tons of organic matter, and arguably lifeforms therein such as spores possibly , but the generation of an "organic" with Intent, is another consideration viewing your graphs on earth -atmosphere inter-reaction.. Interestingly enough , the 12 orbs that followed the Mexican jet, visible only on radar though , traveled with Intent. Could the generation of a ball lightning phenomena by natural Earth forces be birth of Existence for some form of Life? Or just random generation of ball lightning as a cold fusion of atmospheric charge derived light and earth elements with naturally occuring organic compounds ? |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 4 2005, 12:20 AM |
| theres no short answers to the complexity,scope an range of the types of phenomena...now that said nor to F*ck around after 5yrs nearly now ,watching,not makin quick decisions,an letting time tell through trial an observation.............yes.....some are alive.......oive worked as a farrier near 10yrs or more an if we consider horses alive ,well these have to be given that level. They share similarities to not only animals/responses but human reaction /actions.....im not sayin all are or have the same probabilites but i have no probs standin by that certain types of these orbs/earthlights ,whatever we need to "label"them with to analyze/cope an all that have some definate observable signs of what we deem life. Prob is what we Deem life really ,is a damn arrogant form of "deem"......take spores ,we deem them to be what ,nothing more than single celled building blocks at best,single building blocks that "happen"to function in a colony ,working together to do some mazing things actually,so amazing that NASA take the time to study them with huge resources in there budget devoted to the off shoot resulting programs .......and then ya think ok single cell workin in /with a colony,christ allmighty to take a step off our 1ft high barstool for a minute one asks ,what the hell are we as humans!!bar single (beings) working with /in a colony!!......the brain still a world of learning in the field of undestanding......the mind noones come near giving the world a bearable excuse of existance,lol since pythagorus weve developed no further than acedemics pointing with a finger or stick where they think the soul or mind mayyyyyybe lol............as far as environmental existance in this place lordy ,were in bloody eden still.....having discovered rock eating microbes needing no air to breathe nor water to nourish they would an have surviived places aurthur conan doyle couldnt dream of....found hundreds of metres under an proven without doubt it alone shows there durability...personally ive cracked open igneous rocks(volcanic)the size of like 2 basketballs to find one,or two SINGLEspore hairs or nodules ,still green!totally encased in the centre of the rock,for thousands of years,waitin for the day to have another crack at a suntan!lol as u said previously the 12 seemed to travel with some will with the airforce......well one can be played off ,2 ,even say 100.........im sittin so past those numbers its crazy in not havinf to consider it as theyve 360 degreed around you,....shiftted in path from left to right,...been spotted.....an moved off right to left.........,sometimes they even have a caughtout (oops)sorta body language....other times the buggers WILL lead you astray(this well known in aboriginall folklore much like i spose elves or other cheekily known spirits) im not sayin i have total faith in that alone but it stands to more than good reason to be more discerning than just oh the were top dog n "they"are not fluff under our human shoes.......let me remind any/everyone again it wasnt until around 1960!!!!!!!!!that the aboriginals were granted human status!!until then i kid not they were under the commenwealth gov books as freaking Flora an Fauna!!!!!i dont think with our record we shoulde still be so quick to judge in the face of new understanding s an breakthroughs in many areas.......recently i saw a lady from SETI ,who after being asked had said she prefers not to delve there,taking her task an focusing on the message out,but if to speculate would hedge somethin like "hydrogen" in a combined gaseous form wouldnt be an unlikely choice with current knowledge on the atom! personally i cant say enough about things like "halogens"an i wonder how many if ever read this will trully know why the "beast "fears lilttle ,but it does fear "halogens".....we cope with genetic heritage/memory an yet shirk at chemical?oh its ok to accept the "bonding basics"after that (head in sand,head in sand)lol.. i can with a ten dollar tandy/electricshack bargain tool show in seconds things like certain woods have properties to hold charge,the benefits an Unfortunately "exploits" are quite broad......... basically the minimum that ive observed is it woul;d be sooooo FOOLISH not to at least observe with some vigour an understanding ,lets not rush in our understanding to find life under our noses ,in the outer or inner universes,,,,,or we might rush right past the satisfaction of the eventual conclusion an miss what could be a valuable step back towards the beings we could really be instead of just aspire ./..human beings utilizing what we do have,god gave etc,weve tried the rest i say,lets try the best!lol gawd theres no quickk wayof discussing ,or bringing up the complexity is there of those questions/statements /thoughts posed ,all ican say is what ive observed now with i hope a level head ,finding reason in some abmnormalities,an other times,still left pondering with no reason we can see or COPE in sight......funny though ,step of the ego block ,an its really not that out there,just like the dark ops at times,its all unbelievable some days,ya couldnt dream the crap up......an as much as u fight to wanna be noirmal in thinking,nothing makes sense.......when fitting the possibles of it being real...........the pieces fall into place smoothly ,the jigsaw fits.....its only when trying to duck/hide/ignorant/whatever the withering effect expresses itself as that ure really FORCING it to fit the jigsaw.............funny hey,cause the worlds set to look the opposite......ya nuts if look that way,dont try n make it fit some say.....................lets be honest at how many topics what ive just said relates or can too.. so again im only sayin how seen it ,past worrying about others judgements on the subject,they got around 500hrs of study time to take a stab at the theory,james gilliland an i spoke only today about the hours under these things an observations,yet just beein the magindi i am if by chance we find a pure science nothing but chance reason wich im doubtfull but ,will remain open ,then ill eat my words on toast ,not allot to sacrifice for the real answer hey ..........but i tell ya,the answer wont be accepted by some arrogant tech whos allacedmics n just says it is cause i said so!!we all left home years ago now didnt we:)dont need that crap fed anymore than we do already in the world now...........gots-to scoot ........woulda loved to have spat out my thoughts an actuall sightings /experiences of what i can "label"meself as what appears to be semi organic tech (in relation to ufo/craft)to wich is it not possible the generation an production of h30 an the overall organic cold fusion process ,actually be "feeding"the tummmys of a hybrid vehiicle to wich again is a debate as to what point is "life"considered"intelligent...........an again i say our track record as human shows we shouldt be too quick to judge.the generation of lightning balls wowo were not near the background work at all to asses it bar exp here with these things somehow how says its as easily the glimpse of an existance long evolved as much as the birth,peace all n ya Vianova the concept of life within the processes of things like cold fusion begs the question hey.................its the same with this crystal growth stuff n projects ive had goin here quite some time apologies for typos as per norm,dinners on ...later n peace |
| Posted by: Ganesh2005 Apr 4 2005, 02:24 AM |
| Hi Vianova, There's another interesting correlation between MagIndi's footage and the Mexican orbs.... In some of MagIndi's footage there's 3 orb/light entities that form a particular 'one up - two down ' formation...I noticed this exact formation occuring in the Mexican footage...it does seem to be a particular characteristic...maybe Gilliland's noticed the same formation happening ?... Peace |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 4 2005, 08:44 AM |
| your right dave ,good to see ya back by the way,but yeap ,or sometimes 3up n 2 down although you just reminded me how long its been since even thought of the split formation ,when it gets over that just pre public zone its been so long so tight is the formation ya forget could be separate cheeky ones,but hey il tell ya as much as the formation similarities from here to brazil,,it was the "twinkles n sparkles",ull prolly remember me talkin about the day the black flat trianngle job was coastin behind the smaller plane silently an i kept describin the air around it "fizzin like lemonade"well was like that man ,just a lil more all over n round .....ive also seen it one other time n that was with the kerubim in the side paddock that night dude........not only was the air sparklin off the halogen torch but it was audibly fizzin christ that thing was so damn fast that is all i remember vividly ,just so fast an silent ,so dave news on the side,after retiring chalky from the job before he fellasleep an hurt imself hittin the floor from chair this other lad has it,already edited 1hr down to 20mins of pure sweetness including the floaties around me that night you liked where ya heard me yellin out for the mrs to come see,hes reckonin man what we thought........in regards to quality n sheer bulk of material theres been nothin like it documented before in australia like this an im on da countdown for his arrival to swim through the other 50hrs of vids |
| Posted by: Ganesh2005 Apr 4 2005, 09:09 AM |
| Yo MagIndi, I was thinkin' it'd be good to do a side by side comparison with the Mexican footage and those ones that invaded your backyard....the similarities really struck me...maybe ask Gilliland if he's seen those formations... So keep up the good work...I'm glad this new guy is on the ball...seems like he's done more in a week than those other Mufon clowns did in 8 months... Judge them by their fruits...eh ? Peace |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 5 2005, 02:49 PM |
| ya man ill see what i can do for a side by side when can ,yep gillilland knows the config,his sites been down a week an when we spoke 2days back for the ol "for some reason" it seems ECETI has been locked to within america only,its fine there,just seems his message is restricted to the rest of the world lol http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/sunsetstars.html this link is to a slideshow i thinks nice by the way an ya new bloke is good,sees it for what it is ,its impossible to think how chalk says what he said an didnt see nothing,shit even the other 2 vids i gave that were made for you guys not investigators he reckons is hot shit,restating that without doubt the footage he has now in hands exceeds australias combined total in at least 10yrs ,if not completely ,,,but aust MUFON sat on there hands 8 freaking months while the action still so hot that batteries melt in the car in carport lolo http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/blueslide.html this link is a slide show of stills in sequence of the blueorb featured on the phenomena front page,a good slide show,worth a peek too,peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 8 2005, 03:54 AM |
just a couple a pics thought might add as a friend liked,this 1st one i like,sorta dragon-like arcing downwards from the clouds... next one is a pic took prexmas,one of quite a few that day,spose one could say refractory if couldnt see it with nakid eye too!also my lens on jvc is housed in a casing thats "set back"inside itself ,the fact is "they like hidin around the bright spots cause (it dont take a bright spark to see)that its hard to see em there eh!lol,heres the second pic  im a sucker for the softer more subtle cloud stuff,but hey thats just magindilol hope yas like people,peace |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 9 2005, 11:15 AM |
| it rounds closer to 5am,as i look from my front door i see the first orbs activating in preparation for the morning run home to the familiar valley nestled in country with the uncanny name that translated means "the written word of god"funny name for a tiny country town known only for its timber,no camera to document i stand and watch the first float by ,predawn will be soon,another fact that doesnt seem to bother them,the latest logged from memory around 8am in the well an trully sunrise,......quietly feeling the first "nonlocal"car about to come i find myself thinking of the morning not long ago i watched a triple moon scene between the hrs of 7/8am ,3 orb moons hung openly in the skyline northerly ,a pretty sight ,still shots never bring out the fullness of the phenomena no matter how good the camera or conditions.........an woosh,the 1st car slides by....both a sensitive feel an a rythmic cycle ,but neither one or the other could after these years now take precedence still,seemingly a fine mixture of both ,almost boring if deep inside it wasnt some what scary ,so many without hesitation would judge"i wouldnt be",my reply ,u wouldnt be human if wernt ,the constant wonder of why,an how does this connection link to me never recedes,an so few to help understand why........ James gilliland from ECETI now back from his lil server lockout from the "unseen ones"has posted a beginning page on the down under link,without doubt james the only true mirror ive met so far in the face of so many who think theyd like to ,or do have the same extreme phenomena,to be found at http://www.eceti.org/newphoto.htm at the bottom of the page is soul phenomenas material,up top the northern hemispheres mirror/match .......to add is a link to a slideshow page made in macroflash,worth a peek to those with settings to view as the pics tend to be somewhat clearer via the different viewer,also functions to stop an resume make scrutiny a lil easier without losing track.the link to this is http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/SphenomSlidegood.html peace all ,back to bed for this lil magindi ,some days ill still be buggered why im awoken when no obvious reason shows itself but as we all know there always is a reason,even if one doesnt see at the time or even this lifetime,laters freethinkers.. a vid of one in the gorge behind me from where the starlayers pics came from is up on the main blue page under ministarjet i believe to any that may find it interesting also ,hopefully by xmas a dvd might be out with some Serious footage hand edited by the first reporter interested in coming an who will be here soon to document what can an preuse the other 45or so hrs of overall footage,he seems extremely sure an verifies my feelings that this case is unmatched for documentation before australiawide again james an i find ourselves equal in hrs of footage an time under the orbs/ufos so ill keep updates on its status as best as can to those wanting to see some sh*t hot footage to get the mind really questioning ,an for dan an parinthian heres a link to the canadian researcher whos been archiving material from home here at http://www.hbccufo.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2402 .... peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 9 2005, 08:39 PM |
| last year returning home from work 3hrs away from home i was pulled up 4times by the ufos along the roads home,one place (the second stop)was in a cane field id seen them briefly in before ,at 1st thinking they were spot fires at the end of yr burn off i glanced then returned to driving,a second flash lit the corner of my eye an i knew it was one ive called "lips"from day 1...a fiery orange earthlight .....i pulled up determined not to fall for the games but realized they were ground level an like the sucker for an unknown phenomena i drove in the trucks road they use to haul the cane away from the railway cars used to store the cut cane......a slide show in macromedia flash consisting of 170pics in order no edits takin on the replay of streaming footage later is up at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/phenomslidecroporbs1.html give or take voodoo it looks fine my end an the flash medium does bring the pics up better in whatever medium or camera used ,shot on a sony night vision this lot is grainier than my jvc for resolution quality but its no real concern,as any who take the time will see ,at closest i got 30metres away from lips before the ol darlin shimmied back into the cane,at one point tempted to walk into the 10ft high uncut cane field i though bugger ya ive done enoughlol....filmed em that night for 30/40mins,when leaving the field they followed me along the road travelling parrallel to the car for at least 20kms only pulling short less than 1km from the next main town ,just another link people but some interesting shots,if any hassles lemme know but as said seems fine my end ,peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 10 2005, 09:10 PM |
| Pupp i tried the ifran view u made mention of a while back,its was good advise,now in case any cant see the flashmacro slideshow of the crop circle orb/earthlights ive made a whomping big gallery of 170pics all takin in sequence from playback view later ,some pics arent much chop but kept to show the sequence but all in all its a reall Def check out job man ,use ya zooms on the bright one that hovers n moves around,over some structure.....at 1st glance it appears circular,on close inspect its actually on certain frames clearly an OCTAGON!shape !just in case im prattlin away to noone here is any one interested if i made slideshows to download /screensavers of some of the better pics n themes etc?if so yell out an ill work on someway of doin it so its an easy thing,i use the format at home here often an the views really are great with the different frames of perspective an even the odd tune,peace all.the link to gallery of crop circle orbs in the cane field is http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/gallerycroporb/index1.htm if ya get some time Pupp,Dan and Parinthian id be interested in ure views particularly on the close up hovering orb shape deal guys ,laters |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 15 2005, 08:21 AM |
.jpg) .jpg) believe it or not the flora an fauna are involved in phenomena repeatably an obviously observable ,its only people need take the time or interest too watch,this type being one ,from snakes to butterlys the breeds remain constant for the job-type each does,mind you im never ,well its takin along time to get used to the classic creepys,there wasnt much zoom in this pic,i was so close i flicked to telemacro shot for the detail,having posted on another thread here at pupps this one as she periscopes up to check me out,peace .jpg) |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 15 2005, 06:37 PM |
.jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) these were takin early april before cam broke again,although its fixed n back i only ran across these last yesterday/night ,i thought nice n remember that night/also know this one well |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 17 2005, 11:03 AM |
| heres a link to a short inline vid people might find interesting,quite often while filming ufos these elemental type things float around you visible to nakid eye,mostly they look like lil squid thingsto me ,sometimes luminous etc,an investigator having gone over it cant call it refraction as the light actually appears to somehow at one point come from inside the lens,i dunno i just film emlol heres the link for the vids short term home till seat it iin proper http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/minijetfive.html also some good news for the people in regards to some form of media attention to let the public know about the phenomena here at home is the "UFO connection" a radio show hosted by Barb Cambell in canada is happy to have the story aired on the show,set up via conference calling an details to come during the week im hoping to have both myself an james gilliland from ECETI on air to release what we can to whoever in the public wants to hear whats happening at our respective places,yet to confirm on these but all bar the major voodoo it should be a small win for the people Vs those that would oppose.barb says at the moment we'll be broadcast on the second show ,the date supplied is May7 2005,((ooo interesting date just noticed astrologically)) okies peace to any that visit through these pages an to any that dont!lol <--runs off to try sumfin diff an take some true "infared"snaps using a Pentax still shot camera graciously provided by Nodstar,so who knows ,we'll see if it brings up nuffin,or some more Rock-a-hoola cool stuff!laters All |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 20 2005, 11:06 AM |
 .JPG) .jpg) I came............I saw.........I came again lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 22 2005, 09:46 AM |
.jpg)  "whistles to self"........ECHO..........ECho.............echo...................lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 23 2005, 07:46 PM |
| Welcome to Sydney Morning Herald Online. Skip directly to: Search Box, Section Navigation, Content. Agile US military of future eyes northern Australian bases June 7, 2004 New strategic plan may help spread the latest technology, Mark Baker writes from Singapore. The United States is close to deciding whether to spend tens of millions of dollars establishing permanent joint training facilities in northern Australia for its military forces. The Defence Minister, Robert Hill, told the Herald yesterday that he expected a decision in principle next month on a plan that could bring thousands of American soldiers, marines and air force personnel to train at upgraded Australian bases. This would place the largest number of US troops on Australian soil since the Vietnam War, further underscoring the depth of the alliance with the US. US forces would bring in the latest computer systems, which would vastly enhance the training capabilities of Australia's armed services. Senator Hill, at a regional security conference in Singapore at the weekend, said he was optimistic a decision to proceed with the joint facilities would be made at next month's defence ministers' talks in Washington. US military teams that have inspected military facilities across Australia are believed to favour bases in the Northern Territory and ((((((((((((((far north Queensland)))))))))))))))))))). The plan is part of a global review of the deployment of US forces to reduce the number of personnel in fixed locations and develop more mobile and flexible capabilities. The US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, who met Senator Hill at the conference, said the US was streamlining the deployment of its forces around the world. "We don't want to be in a static defence mode," he said. "We want to be in a more agile arrangement. "Some of our forces are where they were left over from the Cold War and where it was reasonably easy to know where a threat might come from. "Today a threat can come from any number of directions, so we need to have the flexibility and agility to deal with that." He stressed that the US would maintain its presence and capability in the Asia-Pacific region, even if that meant fewer military personnel on the ground. Senator Hill said the plan for joint training facilities was backed by the commander of US forces in the Pacific, Admiral Thomas Fargo. "The starting point is the enhancement of the capability of one or more of our training facilities . . ," Senator Hill said. "It's an opportunity for us to utilise the most sophisticated training assets that exist in the United States." The US is believed to be keen to use the space available at bases in northern Australia for complex rapid deployment training between air and ground forces and for amphibious operations. "The Americans have sent teams that have had a look at all of our facilities," Senator Hill said. "They are staggered by the amount of room that is available, which is becoming harder and harder to find in most parts of the world." He said the joint facilities would extend the support Australia already provided in military joint exercises and allow the US Navy to rotate ships crews through Australia. "It's just another aspect of a long and deep and important relationship . . . It's to enhance mutual capability, ensure inter-operability and to assist a critically important ally. Copyright © 2004. The Sydney Morning Herald. Childhood memory may lead to army war bunker IN THE steep bank of Merri Creek in Westgarth is a tunnel that brings to mind the opening sequence of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Dug over the past four years, this passage runs deep underneath the suburb. It is pitch black, rocky and eerily quiet. But if the tunnelling continues, a find worthy of Raiders may emerge - a World War II bunker bearing wooden crates marked "US Army". The Age 16/04/2005 Cost - $2.20 869 words nuthin happenin at ol magindis though eh!lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 24 2005, 09:26 PM |
 in dec abouts i downloaded the mexican footage from pupps forum here,it was the small file version as im dialup ,ill add to this post when time but at a certain point in that footage its difficult to tell the difference from these pics of a glowing orb in the daytime takin at home here last year,i spose to the skeptics the reflection was comin off the military jets windscreen eh?lol,the similarities are there an i can say this wasnt reflection from my windscreen or anybodys,having walked close enough to the area where it appeared there was nothing there but trees an refraction from that distance ,that intense i rule out knowing my camera although hey kodak out there,come test it ,say diff an ill eat my words,will you come test it though is the question lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 25 2005, 08:10 PM |
 34sec mark of the short version available through a link at pupps on the mexican footage is the match to pics posted above this reply.these pics just posted are of an orb at ground level in a cane field one night while others zipped around |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 26 2005, 03:21 PM |
.jpg) ,peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 29 2005, 06:59 AM |
 if for no other reason than to note the fact during the end week in middle of this month the US military shows up on site stats ,following that within the week results show United Kingdom ,Israel ,Russian Federation ,now soulphenomena is incredibly small in as far as being marketed via search engines due to the fact i do this by meself an of course its all just that OOllllll "coincidence" but worth noting the fact that i wonder ,if,or when will we see china enter to make the obvious Big 5 ,(a big 5 that spend so much time sayin theres no interest)but hey im sure theyre just american soldiers that after a hard days work for them an pilliging for bush sit down by the campfire,hook up the laptops an browse for ufos in there spare time lol below a multi pic from the other nights ufos that the vid link can be found in my sightings here on pupps ,the moon prior movement that night was incredibly beautiful rising ,to note there the final pic was takin at 40degrees zoom with a cam that can go 700,wierd ,i wonder why observatories were built then if my home handy cam can make out the moons surface lolpeace all.  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 30 2005, 03:15 PM |
 anyone home?............home ...home(echo)(echo)(echo)..............<---thinks wow theres as much interest here as there is in frickin australia ,..................BAM oi ma ears, that (pindrop) hurt lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Apr 30 2005, 08:14 PM |
 last year in the mid arvo i shot some footage on my sony handycam of a Glowing orb that hovered in the bush out front,carefull inspection of the vid shows small sparks shooting out of it an flying off on their own accord/journeys...also reminding me of the flat black triangle i saw at lunchtime one day behind the house tailing another small plane,except this one had sparkles coming off it ive always described as like opening a bottle of fizzy drink...seeing the mexican footage was not even eerily similar,it was just spot on,the central black n white pics in this picture are from the 34sec mark in the shortened mexufo vid from the link here at pupps ,the others surrounding are from the one i took at home ,some may seem black instead of green an that was me changing modes to negative art an vice versa trying to get diff views on it.. neg art means it turns white to black ,an black to white as a cam function an ive found over years only slightly usefull,not much brings them up lessin they wanna be brought up!,but hey im sure lets just say a hypothetical name like "b.chalker"an many other so called "investigators"coff............would say to me its smudge on me lens ,coff again,im sure thats what it was for the brazil jet pilots too eh? thats right it was the maintainence crews left over spittle as they polished the front windscreen on the brazilian airforce fighter jets hey chalk an Co. lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 2 2005, 12:04 PM |
glad ya gettin better by the way pupp,anyways heres another one takin last night direct over the house peace  |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 3 2005, 11:58 AM |
 Above pic the 2 orbs in back are the originals,cut ,pasted an slightly enlarged are the extra 2 in front all pasted into the original picture takin in the last couple of nights filming. These are what appear to be the tail lights on the starjets afterburners,cept the jet morphs from an orb first,at times the process lasting anywhere up to 15,20mins . below the link to a gallery worth checkin but hey im just a mere magindi ,who would ever say i knew ma ufos eh ,laters,hell i even typed a paragraph, those lessons must be payin off lmao http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/albumsjet/indexmetalorbs.html when the page comes up,top right set the slideshow timer to your choice,kick back an let the magic of the puter scroll for ya |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 4 2005, 03:35 AM |
 WOOOOOOOooooooooooHooooooOOOOOOOOH LOL |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 5 2005, 12:04 AM |
 heres a funny one,in my local paper come handy firepaper starter is an cute insert .it states as follows ................ADVICE FOR IDIOTS........... "an actual tip from page 16 of the HP "environmental,health an safety handbook for employees"........." blink your eyelids periodically to lubricate your eyes" lmfaoo well gollllllllly gee i better carve that in the side of my corncob smokin pipe lol |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 7 2005, 11:51 PM |
| Hoy MagIndi, dang you are in a definite hotspot of activity there! Thanks for sharing and keeping us updated! Remember this, even though you don't have many replies, your thread has the most views of any thread in the UFO section.   P.S. Please be sure to post images at the forum that are NOT MORE THAN 580 PIXELS WIDE.  |
| Posted by: Ganesh2005 May 8 2005, 11:22 AM |
| Hoy MagIndi, good one ! Was that the same newspaper that reported; "the woman was bitten on the funnel by a fingerweb spider".....heh Reminds me of a funny book; 'Guidebook for Extraterrestrials Visiting Earth' which says, "Blink your eyelids occasionally or humans might get suspicious"....heh Hey, that triangle footage was amazing... you can see the red 'sparks' arcing back from each corner ! you should edit out that bit with the lights and get PuPP to post it here...  MagIndi in his workshop, proudly displaying his recent project  MagIndi's House....he designed it himself !! Peace |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 8 2005, 12:28 PM |
| lol man ure missin my head lamp!...ta Pupp i thought for a while my notifier was stuck or broke at the no response thingylolpic wise i try i just need that secretary pretty bad so remind me occasionaly until i set a preset converter for ure forum specs .thanks for the response though it means allot when somedays its like most seem to enjoy speculation rather than pure reality via the images posted. nearly all uve seen that ive posted here or phenomena is daily activity ,ive barely managed to get glimmers of the main archived stuff goin back 4yrs up ,it really is active ,undescribable ive now come to realize so all i can do is put it up there as i believe very deeply some one ,some where in the future will take the snippits of truth i post here an add it into the whole to i hope click to larger issues that will aid humanity. http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/albummay8/indexalbummay.html is a link to a gallery of some allsorts ,close ups not seen before an a few extras of the starjet that i liked from last week with some commentary,at the index page in top right just set ya time to ure leisure an the album will slide show to the number you set ,either full view or pic view the options make it a bit more personal ,some good ones early on in there man u would like i reckon ,okies peace an thanks again guys the feedback makes the daily struggle a bit more worth it,laters an hope ya back better dude:) |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 8 2005, 02:57 PM |
Ganesh, that is a good one! But yeah, MagIndi is missing his miners hat.  Can't wait to see if his ship will fly..... chuckling. Hoy MagIndi, Sorry for not respondng to all of your emails, I was overwhelmed while not being online as much recently. Still chuckling about MagIndis workshop. He looks much older than I imagined - hehehehe |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 9 2005, 01:45 PM |
| ahh tis cool Pupp ,hell who wants to listen to my rants anyways !hell what could i have possibly learnt in these years with annomolies around my life that would benefit the many an more educated,wise an knowlegable souls that enlighten this world with such meaning full coffee table talk as "i saw a ghost once"lol jokes i try to honour anyones experiences. i wonder if that ufo house is up for rent ,we may need it soon !lol its really gettin difficult our end of the world here man an i appreciate the forum to express what until recently couldnt in regards to the documentation of the phenomena ,i hope u had time to check the slideshow galleries man an that your backs feeling a lil better each day ive been recently scripting up macromedia flash web pages ,an although some wont like the active x aspect the image quality rocks ,the main reason is one final push at the bigger end of the media front an so ive made a flash player from scratch (due to the fact im a poor bugger)lol an have embedded the videos direct into the page itself,coincinding with adverts written in the language of the intended viewers im hopin it streamlines the last surge of my push on the going down but screamin hard path lol the vids are in the webpage itself an download in like a freakin blink even on dialup an then play in what the tech heads called progressive downloads,as its feeding to ya its watchable ,ill post some links just finished an any who have flashplayers,shockwave type plugins are welcome to check out the content as the quality is cool,oh also the radio gig is very soon an i plan on mentioning u an site for the help an support man ,its not allot but something for helping me get the word out ,okies heres the links n gotta fly ,peace, ****************************************** edited insert ******************************************* just replacing the links for now with new gallery of some closeups of a day annomoly worth peekin at to any that are interested.umm just finished the radio interview with a canadian radio show ,will post the links to it when barb the presenter has finished the finicky bits so its worth a visit to check plus she has some great stuff in the military aspects on the area shes researched out,quite freaky stuff really for our lil patch of beautiful up here in north queensland...i made metion of pupps forum as a top place if any find themselves in a situation like whats happening here at home an also mentioned where not to go for those to save the same pain we went through ,thanks to nodstar for always beein there too:) peace all link to gallery.... http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/albumday/index.html |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 16 2005, 08:01 AM |
| for any interested ,"looks around,only to hear the wind blowing the tumbleweed "lol n smiles chewck this link to hear a radio show about the phenomena around home http://www.ufo-connection.com/ browse for the audio stuff an peek at soulphenomenas interview....thanks to barb for the making it a not to uncomfy thing for a bloke whos not a good speaker lol...also to note the researcher currently going through the footage is without doubt confident theres nothing documented like this in australias history ,possibly broader ...hes still got 9 sony 8 tapes ,9or 10 mini dv's an vhs stuff to go yet too lol,peace all |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 16 2005, 02:19 PM |
| Hoy MagIndi, I hear crickets chirping. Congrats on radio interview!!! |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 16 2005, 03:23 PM |
| lol man thanks for that ,"gently moves a cricket onto a nice safe spot,so it can sing for them while pondering the deeper things in life such as nubian breadmakers lol"....its 11meg the file so ig ya dont hear it just know i got in the forum here as being a good place to be if need to voice things like this etc an also the link on phenomena ive made pretty with ure banner to personalize it ,peace man i plan on a lil more but im only one mere magindi ! thanks again pupp,im still spinnin a bit though this researcher is dead certain the footage here is incomparable to anything seen before,..he calls me a greedy greedy man ,after flickin through some stuff 2days back thats like soso he stops dead ,calls me over an goes,without doubt uve taped the longest free streaming ufo clip thats gonna ever be seen in the world....greedy greedy man i am,id call it something diff,but swearing isnt allowed lolololol |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 16 2005, 04:19 PM |
| WTF??? He called you a greedy greedy man? What did you ask for? 10 million in gold? |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 16 2005, 08:11 PM |
| lol he was jokin ,said in good spirit,the dudes blown away Pupp ,its gonna round out to 1 an half hrs of no shit absolute pure gold,thats cutting out say 4/5 hrs of other so so stuff man ,an so on an so on,he just cant believe the amount ive takin, you wanna hear what he says over me dubbing over stuff cause had no choice ,money etc lmao obscene an other words are thrown around ,as far as money its funny pupp if it wasnt our life,were probly gonna lose the house man ,lifes been so that it got behind from various things as u can imagine!an its serious the "bank"wants to take it ,yet if ya mention money its been takin to one news/media crew an the dollars mentioned arent millions ,but they are tens of thousands,the funny thing is (not) is we'll prolly lose the place,or very close(i cant even hope) before we see any of it ,but no,no millions lol ..truth is bro i face like always have,going down ,losing the lot for the faith of pursuing the phenomena ,with the kicker being that "physically"its seen as oh he shoulda done more,worked harder,blah blah,an the other side of coin being ive documented more than any australian ,an its yet to be seen but possibly up there with the other well knowns wether real or not like billy meir,.....shit man more than him even ,theres allot of footage dude ......an all this will prolly be unrecognized until too late as its been for many before me ,lol whats new ,ya goto die before they go hey,that dude wasnt so bad,may have lost his house but took the best ,real an most active documentiation anyones ever seen lol.............it sucks ,but i wish my family got something even if i eat the dust an look the mad magindi until the day its recognized ,hes still sittin in my couch at home ploughing through tapes ,the worst of its over i spose ,just my mini dvs (jvc) tapes,9 or so an 12 or so vhs tapes lol..............he dun wanna see the pics,i think mainly after going through so many freakin vids ,8000 pics is a big hole to be thrown in an climb out of lololol,peace man |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 17 2005, 01:54 AM |
| Dang MagIndi, I sure hope you don't lose your home. I wish I could help, but I don't have a pot to piss in. Maybe one of the elementals can expose some gold for you. :::crossing fingers::: |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 18 2005, 02:17 PM |
| tis the way the cookie crumbles an the taste of the roman sh*t biccy man lol,seems most tryin to do the righty tend to find them selves on the "omg murphys touched my butt n now hes rapin me path"lmao....maybe it was my typos an not enough oomph to "raise above" those things in life,,ahh well i had 5mins spare a day,was either them or lose my fav norti bum songs,i made my choice,hell the freaks will never take my nortis,maybe just the home,friends,car ...etc LOL,peace dude ,keep up the battle ,someone has to. for some inspiration to them quiet listeners who follow any phenomena ,id like to play a lil balled called "its pretty playin orbys in the cane field....,most want, but couldnt handle the bits that one finds rough,one minute ure almost somethin special,an the next everyone respects the work like dust"LOL http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/cropcircleorbvid.WMV  (above pic is from the night ,the link above it again is a download an temporary so to any that see this ,i have to move it later so grab it if ya wanna see stuff that blinks so hard ya flinch just watching itlol) its a temp file of a night where i was in the cane field with 4 or so ,2 in back overseer like,one far left an one ive known now since day one ,still shy im allowed only in range about 30metres at closest before they back off ,an in reverse u back away an they come forward to peek,ive never seen any blinks like what ull see on the vid either from anyone elses stuff anywhere,nor from me since that night ,at home when they come close the light pulses softly. in the field that night each blink was radical,the viewer will see strong flashes of intense light,to me there in front of em it was with no exxageration for the seconds the blink existed a 2dimensional translucent doorway,circular (4/5metrees diameter)would appear between the orb/ufos an me ....very trippy to watch on vid ,an of course real life ,but hey cant everyone just casually flick between roman rule an elemental heaven with a snap of their wise an enlightened fingers?this is what i hear round the coffee table ,but out here in front of em maybe its just me,cause i find it difficult ,thank god for the orbs an elementals ,they hang it in there longer than anyone else around them lightning rod magindi types!lol laters pupp ta for the reply it means allot ,if unable to view the vid yet ,its possibly worth ure time to check out a slideshow picture gallery of a day glow orb with wicked activation,at one stage wich ive marked it seems to drip or throw out these lil green fireballs,if relection ive never seen it drip or spit stuff lol but im open to anyones opinions. http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/2003DayGlow/index.html the later shots are in negative art,black to white an white to black,,it was while camming it i tryed the function to see if it showed anything up,it didnt as norm but sorta did,take a peek at how the small branches of trees an such "pierce"the orb like shards or swords through its belly ,ive posted a smaller gallery of it,but this ones longer with high resolution ,i know u like ure ufos hot ,but will luminous floating green in the daytime do?lol peace man:) |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 20 2005, 07:25 PM |
| Crack in a US Airways DC-9 window frame > > > >Crack in a US Airways DC-9 window frame..... >Fliers beware of the sub standard maintenance on the airplanes that you > fly on. You won't believe this when you see it, this is an actual crack > that was found in the window frame on a DC-9. This could have caused a > major in-flight problem. lol was just to funny not to add for a giggle |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 20 2005, 08:27 PM |
| LMAO MagIndi...good one...I was looking all over for the crack and then I saw it. Please remember, images NO WIDER than 580 pixels. |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 21 2005, 08:19 PM |
lol man that took a while,mind you ill send you one dad sent yesterday,oh god its freaky an a laff all at the same time ,peace n hey i posted in that other lil room an animation i made earlier for fun ,laters  |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 21 2005, 08:46 PM |
| Hoy MagiIndi, have you ever tried to get a news crew out there to film the phenomenon? If I was you, I'd get a camera that can produce quality tv video so it can be sold to various news broadcasters that may be interested. But I'm sure the beings who control the news media do not want this type of information known to the general public. We're infected with Reality TV shows and fear of those arabs who hate us for our freedoms - yeah right! The Arabs don't hate us for our freedoms, the Arabs hates us for killing and maiming their children. We are NOT the good guys over here, or down under either. European bloodlines and those who claim to be jews are what is wrong in the world today and have spread their inhuman bloodlines into almost every country, thus blending in. THEY are a sadistic, cruel species which thrive on pain, suffering and torment. |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 22 2005, 01:28 AM |
| yeah its a shame the people are trained to hate or learn to hate the people when its not them at all,both our leaders have agendas that obviously dont warrant a care for life family an feelings of the average person ,opportunities for development an changing tack on the obvious future seems to be running out for the generations ahead. ..im not going to waste what poor typing i have on the media thing bar after 5yrs i ran out of ideas an resources after ringing everyone from my country ,ures an others around the world ,it appears the media prefers sticking with covering neighbours fueding over dogs in backyard disputes over obvious environmental changes an of course the ever growing awareness of the possibilities that there is maybe other forms of life that exist apart from our own superior minds an egos *chuckles* if you read above ull find that nothings changed from previous posts ,my material now heads back to sydney,having alternate people contributing in the video as well who are already established in the ufo world it will either end up being as have already stated,one it hits the media wich is possible after early genuine interest was shown ,the hard part with them is the fact of how its expressed Vs the contract hassles,recently though having advice from my first Real decent source ,they having been an done this stuff had me speak to their tv producer who offered some solid an non conflicting advice ,this is about the best one can do when dealing with media .....the other option a definate ,there will be an australian DVD out within 2mnths ,it will be 70/80mins long,an unlike most that chuck everything they have in it to fill (an this is the good ones!) we had the opportunity to actually cream the gold from gold,with 5yrs worth of footage that actually,noone has seen but the researcher who made the time to actually sit down the near 50hrs an go through it all,at best before then a few had flicked through a 3hr vid id made 4yrs back,hell i dunno if anyone ever really watched that end to end , an anything posted here wich is all stuff thats happened daily in the last 6mnths ...mainly choosing material from angles of perspectives that will make the skeptics have to really work hard to deny it ,wich they will.....they always do with real stuff...we stuck to the best angles of vision,field of view,frames of reference so that we can hopefully actually flush out maybe even one answer from these twats that have the hide to call themselves "researchers"..breaking the footage up with local accounts from alternate witnesses from the town an showing the clear history of the area ,along with reference shots of footage takin in the day from the areas filming the ufos along the lines of the "layers pictures"ive already made for the hopefull day any would want to possibly see ...yesterday i went back to a place i had some close an lengthy footage of them to again show frames of reference ,besides the fact it was slightly emotional on some aspects(none of wich im sure any would have interest or care about)i hope that it will fullfill the task of making sure our area here was not "unrecognized" if only for the fact that in the future it /the info will be there for the interested souls that may be open enough then to understand what these annomolies are already trying to comunicate with us now.....i hope so because by chrsit no one is now an its right in front of them!,instead it appears for any work ive done in this is overshadowed by possibly say karma ,that possible basically materially expressing as we have contact here in forms that are physical,i have documented without doubt more than anyone in australia at least ,with an including ufos vids so long that it wont be surprising if its a struggle to find one world wide in the length of just one of the clips takin here ...,this i find funny ,already the shallow will think the ego arises ,an maybe that im too arrogant or dumb saying such a thing,yet having no need to explain anymore to the people so backward in there own superior intelligence that could it not be possible that none of whats happened to me an family would have happend if i was thinking money,having ego......instead ill just live with the fact that its easier to be seen as the lesser ,rather than the real virtues i applied in all of this thats happend , the only thing to sweeten the salty taste of ignorance ,the loss of who we thought friends,an possibly our work from yrs before this like home etc ,even clients ill miss from simple hassles like our phone tapped,causing loss of business ,not the fact of not listening ,not the fact of holes in head like swiss cheese,but from something that ill let time an the material 5yrs spent documeting tell the people now an as the future plays out,combining with the work of others ou there to one day maybe,just maybe point our arrogant ,ignorant heads out of our asses to i doubt "suddenly find the meaning of life"but to at least get back to really frickin lookin for it,instead of swimming in the murky waters of a trumped up feeling of superior intelligence an dominance that we so clearly dont have an yet could have,in fact should have by now ......history here has us believe the emergance of light souls from the denser realities takes quite some time,the facts one day WILL show it quite the opposite ,due to the even more lengthier topics an Speculation on why the "shepards"have guided this world to think that,an having not the typing skills to dream of thinkin i could express that clearly im sure many around have the necessary skills to pen down the truth ,the real reality ....hell i wish i could ,im only privvy to glimmers of the truth ,an then sadly im leftto ponder an absorb the experiences back here in our similtaneously separate an yet shared existance ...so yeap ,i went to media,4yrs back or more when had already enough to ask the question.....maybe one day soon there will be so much ill actually see the skeptic sweat when forcing out the reasoning whatever an however stretched it maybe when unable to give the real reason, will do what so pitifiully hypocritcal as it is(surprise..not) that when they dont have the REAL answer to phenomena will offer us what back as the public mark???????........nothing but there own fookin speculation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!so high an pompous are they that theyre supposed "acedemics"supercedes the common mans "speculation"!(laff) ,ask einstein what he thought of light or any of the wondrous simple things we take for granted as he developed over the yrs a knowledge base many aspire to,or even dream of having..........an he woulda an did reply.........the more he came to understand ,the less he really frickin knew !.......somehow i think id put a bet on einstein not disregarding the average or dare i say less aparently intelligent man when it came to learning ,somehow i think he was well aware of the losses if he did ........... ....so soon all will have the chance to rave on how theyve seen better,how they woulda done this or that,how they woulda been this or that ,an lets not forget those that will without doubt when unable to answer the questions the phenomena raises will then claim its hoaxed ,all fabricated by that who?what was his name?the bloke ya know,with a lil house crumbling around him ,not a pot to piss in an a brain like swiss cheese....feckin hell ,when will the world decide what us lightning rods are,...are we socially adept at misleading the public ,or are we socially inept,are we lettuce leaf meditating hippies,or junkies off the street,are we illiterate an slow,or are we forward thinkers an revolutionaries ......i know im just mere magindi ,someone who whatever the world around thinks will move on one day with a knowledge i contributed ,wether or not recognized or valued ,theres not much more one can do ,an have been able to do .....as saddening as it is to see people across continents hate others with an unjustified an unreasonable emotion,is as sad as the days im asked have i done the things that the even the most uninspired ,would have already done an run to the media for eg....with there One ,...One pic of a blur takin from a mobile phone....(laffs)u realize dont u mark that the media.....would have an do air that stuff man:),becuase it offers no reason to those that oppose our humanity an its divine right from flourishing as it should ,in harmony with the universal life we all are,live an breathe in everyday ................. hell if the shepards hand wasnt so close to my life maybe the one of hunfreds an hundreds an hundreds of calls ive made might have gotten a response that didnt end up the Voo-Doo we live through ,maybe my mrs wouldnt have the "Books"of unknown numbers that call through my modem line ,(an impossiblity normally)let alone the "books"full of other misplaced calls an unresolved issues such as our phone line being corrupted (as told by the phone worker)an that weve been linked to emegancy services around 8/to 12 mnths ,thats like me calling 911 in america...am i hoaxing i ask,no,.im telling ya an have said this before,ya cant dream thiis sh*it up if someone paid me ,nor would i want too,an as you see with phoenix,gilliland an a few others who have been "lucky"enough to surface its not an uncommon story yet it comes from people never seen each other,live continents apart,diff ages an races,with what thing in common?the phenomena.....blow me down maybe one day people will believe it ,hell i wish so many of the people weve seen fade from our lives did now an it wouldnt hurt as it does,better just knowing that in the end the dirt will come out in the wash so to speak,!an a lil bit of the average ol normal me somehow feels a lil better instead of scratchin this block head ive got that damn it blocks me from forming a post properly lol ,goto go tape the ufo comin soon azs it does an has for 5yrs ,before the rest come to follow it,*smilin*for the loss of somethings its still gonna feel good getting the phenomena out in this one last push i got to give,so much is my drive to become a famous nobody ,so much have i sacrificed for the fame *looks around *Pupp mate hold back the surging crowd ,as you can see the fame is overwhelming lol..........i post here in ure forum as i have a while ,how it feels ,whats it like to live with,in ,around here......i post at phenomena what is the phenomena ....the phenomena all important to inspire the questions we need to be asking ourselves again ,very soon.....this place my forever thanks for the opportunity to release,the good,an the sad,sometimes bad.....,in the face of opening up here i hope to with whatever words said maybe one day save someone from just one crap feeling one may have if experiencing P.K on ths level,as for the rest judge away ,speculation over an around the coffee table always needs another sh*it biccy to dip in the tea,by all means let it be mine ,instead of someone elses,that unecessarily needed the "loving" judgement too ..... ps to note,having come back from filmin the 1st ufo from my front door,ok 3metres in front of my front door,i check the phone,just 16 calls through my modem line to enter this puter when Normal people get engaged ,of course though ahh thats nuffin people say ,till they get even a taste "looks over to noddy who he Knows will read this" an when u get a Taste ,if ure unlucky enough to be thankfull thats all it was people ,maybe thats just one refraction neceesary an i drew the short straw ,regardless its the straw i got in my hand an so peace to any ,if any bother to read through the im so very sorry poor type but forgive me as i have to put my sone to bed now ,somedays i wish the time to go over posts so i too can sound as enlightened as the fortunate ones that can do so,laters ,lol my sons funny though,gets me through ,drags my hand sayin come dad twinkles finished for now,come bed .....god love im:) |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 23 2005, 01:43 PM |
 this image i did a while ago ,enlarge it to read but basically layered a picture of a ufo in the gorge at night over the top of a pic of the same area in the day,matching the mountains to make sure then slowly layer by layer peeling off darkness from the night shot,exposing where the ufo/orb was that night i filmed it ,its clear theres no houses,nothing but bush ,the ufo came further up only a lil more than the pic shows that night but was still cool to watch.  this next pic is of a stone found out the back in ufo country,extremely rare to found its a one off to find for a longgggg way in the country here,so long in fact the best quote i got from anyone in the physical/science way was some sydney university archeologists that came to the house to have a look at it an various other pieces,after checking it out ian checking its backside for "poc marks" they could only say that theyve only seen this type of rock before in tully/south johnstone tully is 3000ft below us here an a whompingly well known ufo spot,also connected here my neighbour living on this road 13or more years saw 10years ago out of the blue a football field size ufo go over my house towards tully,running inside he calls his bro,an sais hey guess what i just saw!his bro replies a football size ufo?cause it just came over here.....funny thing is tully being 3000ft below us is at least 2 or more hrs drive if ure lucky an no traffic by car! at least 4 times now ive shown this stone to others will more alternate gifts,all of them with absolutely no prompting from me in any form touch this stone an say "Lemuria"this stones lemurian ,an i think theyre right ,due to many more factors that are appearing ,like solid bricked like sections on hills funnily shaped like pyramids,so perfect that even the mirrored reflection in shadow,completely upside down appears as a "perfect"equilateral triangle as an upside down shadow!a final note is the stone under most conditions remains cold,even in ambient sunlight or mild warm spots it refuses to absorb the warmth ,yet with only a few now both my partner an i have seen it grow not just warm but quite hot to the touch after certain individuals have held it on there laps only minutes....an interesting rock for an interesting area that seems to have found itself 3000metres an quite a few hundreds kms away from home in the middle of nowhere!super smooth its like a big black lava drop ,some may notice though a golden shine here an there now,it was all black when found,the gold is coming out slowly with no contact from any humans really to cause this type of change .there appears to be a strong lemurian an pleidian bond along with quite a few other species types if any are open to the more metaphysical angle as were quite a few years away from the tech-heads copin with a culture pre existing babylon(now iraq),funny our road name is aboriginal for "the land between two waters".....exactly the same as the alternate meaning for iraq....peace |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper May 29 2005, 02:35 PM |
| Hoy MagIndi, I think you are being upstaged by this self-proclaimed Prophet Yahweh. You are a true lightning rod for phenomenal activity and you deserve recognition!!!! I hereby dub thee Prophet MagIndi |
| Posted by: MagIndi May 31 2005, 10:52 PM |
| hey hope ya got the vid file an it worked this time man,if its right ill know how to send em to ya so that you can see some of the cooler stuff ...the crop circle ones i recently got told an electronics guy an not skeptic but really rational fella said after seeing the vid from the night i was in the cane field with them , i quote from the bloke that showed the guy ..... the strobbing light effect in the cane field impressed him alot.besides the fact that a flashing light shouldnt be in a cane field at night etc , his exact words were "the double flash effect is a very expensive/complicated light pattern/luminosity". and we all should know by now just how rich i am LMAOOO "turns out pockets,finds some lint,torch battery,and sweet fook all else lolol lol thanks for the "knighting" Sir...  but i dont think anyone wants to hear ol magindis prophetic words,noone wants to hear me normal rant  but maybe when ive got daisys planted on me someone might scroll through these halls an pick out what ive left behind to the reader that actually gets past my typos cause theres already a message written into it all via the pages content alone,it reminds me of a title for a book title i once thought of called...."Reader ,if you need a moment .....Look around you." heres a gallery of the vid i sent you wich hopefully worked at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/deltaalbum/deltaalb.html as far as Yahweh goes i bow,i dont care about those with ego that think whatever,yeah i am a lightning rod an one knows one when they see one,man ,25 years...the poor bastard,but you can bet ya balls hes tried an tested,an the truth is the orbs do come on calling a very high percentage of the time,say 90%plus ,although im not game enough to do it for anybody but the mrs,i aint got 25yrs!just 5 .notice too how he mentions the things many would in ignorance(understandably) like to those that wish to 'lets just say,squash his candle flame within'....hes not kidding an if one takes a breathe of time to look at the common factors with lightning rods one will see the common trends an traits ,one of them is represented in the "those that oppose" factor. anyhows peace man an if ya couldnt see vid lemme know ill retry,or check out the gallery above ,it came out good ,i also added some pics of the same config iufo in lighter conditions,diff ufo,diff day ...same config,laters:)   lol almost got that hardhat on the lil aliens head |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 2 2005, 07:01 AM |
| a quick gallery of still pictures takin from the like pre edit version of the upcoming dvd of australias ufos ,some of the lil floaty things that cruise around while filming the ufos are on it an some good delta shaped stuff,peace all http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/capturealbum/index.html |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 9 2005, 10:44 AM |
hey i just popped in quick an will post on that comment of submitting stuff to that site mentioned in other room,by the way the nasa footage was fook me,why are we even here??its a crap world of hypocracy when were debating the obvious,one minite they let that released an the other were still fighting to say theres more to life than us!!!...the footage was like lookin at exactly what i see from the top side instead of the bottom,thats the only diff!!!<below image,not bad for a bloke that cant find his spell checker eh no special proggy ,just me ol noggin lol > ill delete this image soon but whipped this up when makin other banners ,thought id post it for team support............<magindi waves his pom-poms>go team...............<looks around>............team???........  lmao......oh well just me ,the wind an the orbys outside,not much has changed lolol heres a short paste from a longer article people should take a squiz at ,its not long people ,seems like forever sometimes,but its not long... **********Paste************* Filer’s Files #24 – 2005, Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Director MUFON Eastern Vice President of Skywatch International June 7, 2005, Web: www.georgefiler.com Webmaster: C E Warren www.cewarren. Sightings continue at high rate The purpose of these files is to report weekly the UFO eyewitness and photo/video evidence that occurs on a daily basis around the world and in space. Many people claim it is impossible for UFOs to visit Earth, I ask you only to keep an open mind and watch the evidence we accumulate each week. These Files make the assumption that extraterrestrial intelligent life not only exists, but my hypothesis is that of the over one hundred UFOs reported each week many represent alien craft. Assuming UFOs are real, then much of what we know in science is wrong, that it is quite likely they had a profound effect on the development of Earth. This week's files cover Mars anomalies, Earth microbes may survive on Mars and UFOs in the movies. UFOs were seen over Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, and Washington. Sightings were also reported in Brazil, Canada, Mexico, and the United Kingdom. *****end paste******** peace all ps let me remind any that run across this qld ufo link at pupps an then read the full article from the glimmer posted.......its all about the microbes an microbrial life ,its goes further but please look at the evidence an think for ureselves,why does nasa repeatedly pour millions into the study of organic microbrial life........because nasa are bloody well aware of its sentience.!!!....although im unable to disprove those that believe dominance is about the "observable effect"on the physical life around an its impact on,dont under rate the impact of these microbes....they are our true ancestors an they never died,never left !!whats more powerfull,the stronger or the subtle??either way the effect can be significant....common colds can halt a persons day at work an therefore effect in that seemingly insignificant act ones life path itself!... |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 10 2005, 12:47 AM |
| Hoy MagIndi, cool banner! Orca - orca!!! heh I've been watching some more "UFOs Then and Now" on the History channel recently and when they mentioned the "Foo Fighters" of WWII - ya know, those orbs that circled the planes of both the allied and axis forces - I got to wondering, if they are the same things you are seeing and recording down under. From your descriptions of their shyness, they seem to be intelligently controlled indeed! |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 10 2005, 11:02 AM |
| dude theres so much ive been not able to say yet for various reasons ,yes they are the same ones ,theyve been here far longer than we concieve ,cause our taught conceptions of time are bullsh*t ...without doubt after 5 years im sayin straight they're inteligent ,i still now look an check all,some can be sattelites if watch carefully ,but the orbs are the orbs,there signatures recognizable as soon as you get a lock on em with camera,other objects just dont have the signature man.. ive had em 360 me around my house,my diameter of my turning circle less than 1metre round to spin 360 camming em,man made objects dont do that unless they are workin in the iraq war right now lol ,its to the minute,to the second ,.....sooooo manny times ,were connected deeper than any chip the gov ever once hoped to make could do....were connected via the microbes an what i spose we should call organic nanotech to the extreme,an always have been,,here is one to share with you,i chat with a blokein spain that is another lightning rod ,sometimes the translators dont get it all perfect ya,an today when re-reading the penny dropped to his words wich were something like ,the big orb pipc id recently sent him he had seen before....at lunch a couple a weeks back,he at the time was feeling alone,and out of sorts (because we run in 2 zones at once dude,living with these things)...he continues they are with us.....they insist on this....although materialistic people have fun kicking our pearls/(the gem things in life that happen around our types...............) do you know how f*ckin sad that made me for moments,because he was so damn right,they come to me when im sad too mark,so many times coincidence is a honest to god absurd joke,you cant fake it,you cant force it,but when your low (an we get so due to circumstances,some of us are validated,others cant be pupp,our physical circumstances an tasks take priority)this can be hard to cope with when you damn well know your task ,who you are,much more than others with coffee table talk can understand,understandably.......this we know an yet still have to cop the stiffy from those very types who cut us down for the light theyre aware enough to see ,but not accept because its not them!...........an when things are hard ,they come mark,it dont matter where,or when ,if theres people there,or not....im not preaching ,im just trying to share a lil more about what is happening to us,an is going to happen to all here on earth.....currently were changing on microbrial levels in waiting for a transition that needs to come,more for the earth herself than us.. the intelligence i can say for now shows at least 3 forms...a highly mechanised type ......a semi organic / tech hybrid type(eg life on board but the craft itself is organic for the most part an is alive witha consciousness we humans are to ignorant mostly to recognize even when in front of our faces...the third....the most connected to lightning rods are the orbs/earthlights........there is on a pure ball of energy an matter (wich is compiled of the same atomic an chemical elelments we know in the periodic table )absolute sentient life unto itself,you will see no "metal bodies " you can tap with a knuckle,no dials an knobs,they are alive,that is them,there bodies,just like we have ours,the ignorance of our past in so many ways to think it ,to allow it to be thought ,things like opposable bloody thumbs to manipulate our environment,gawddd,i wont give that the energy to break down ,common sense an a lil thought answers that Q. if ive said this before an repeated sorry but ill say it again anyways ,think about the ufos an activity we see hapening around the world to all cultures an creeds,as a kettle on the boil,watching it ,the damn things takes forever(hence the saying a watched pot never boils)....you turn around an while dilying with something else the whistle suddenly sounds off !!!...it may cause at times a lil jump,fright ...but in the back of your mind your not afraid really because you know what it is... this transition is being done like this ,we know its there,even the straights....watching the pot all day proves useless,but when the time comes,and it will,we will all know mark what it is an thats its ok even if we dont understand it all,(hell break open an electric kettle ,follow the circuitry,do most of us know how the frick it works?nope ,but we know it heats the water...just like we know the real ones wont be here to harm us.....all of this said i am sure of ,they show us , now this bit is my feelings,so ill eat my sh*t biccy if wrong,i hear all sorts of raves about the future an the evil ones gonna make us slaves ,we will be in galactic wars n ra ra....although not denying validating those peoples impressions i feel that when it goes down from what ive seen an been shown iin these 5yrs that its like a forked path ahead,i doubt we'll find the middle road as its not good on our stats in the past finding it as the human race goes lol, so the transition will occur regardless of any ones perceptions of the future,but i feel after the transferrence its either ure left in some bad rerun of a mad-max X running man flick.....or ure flickin on over to the other side of the veil,not unlimted but mind blowingly deeper than has been allowed here for a while..if im wrong i eat my sh*t biccy an who have i hurt,i dont force views on people,hell like they listen anyways to ol magindi!but for all its worth one of the reasons lightningrods are what they are,is were built to channel,were built to forsee ,its coded in us,everyone on earth has coded talents,an the reason those that like to take our pearls only is the factor they cant see there own coding an beauty .....a real shame a shame that i knew the spanish mans feelings when it dropped oh too damn well,the last of my "friends"fell by the wayside ,someone id stoopidly thought could beat the voodoo,so when this spanish lad said alone an out of sorts ,i knew he too watches what friends he had dwindle ,usually all the while paying you out to what they know inside is the truth,an fail to see that we see an feel damn near it all,through this a job remains ,each task an person built ,devoted without choice ,regardless of personal out comes........i miss my friends,the last to go ripped through my heart terribly ,only as ache-ingly equal was the sensation of seeing this through for altruistic reasons,even though most will never believe that only as theyre just built diff,for diff reasons ,an before i go,going back on the sad /common bond on close encounters (an thats what they are),i believe if any scroll back these pages to the night i posted on the orb the size of my house coming up to me ,ull read the same common theme as the spanish man just wrote ...it cant be jag ,time an time again,continents an racial differences apart,its cause it aint,so i can say there are the types that oppose ,then the typpe that care,so connected are they to come close an share in the pain if only to relieve for the moments it takes to regather,an keep going on.wich is more than can say for the human friends we thought were there,an ive called the orbs much,oh much worse!! loololol,peace mark again i write only to share here the inner human side of this phenomena,its ure an everyone elses choice to absorb any or none ,but its logged for any that do want the choice too.....peace man an thankies on the banner ,nick it off the screen if ya want it ,*magindi* watches another tumble weed go by,damn i should clean this place up,no wonder noone speaks in here bar Pupp and magindi , the toothless an homeless crack whores lol what a sight that must be as the visitors pass through town  |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 10 2005, 12:39 PM |
| LMAO MagIndi, ole toothless and friendless over here. Thanks for the confirmation on the "Foo Fighters" of WWII and your orb sightings.... it seemed to be connected to me.... so curious and yet, benevolent. What really saddens me is that I know the basic roots of our problems today and non of my former friends or family care. They are too wrapped up in material possessions and self gratification. If there is another dimension, parallel world or existance, I think I'd rather be there than experience any more pain on this hell hole. Maybe I just need to smoke a big ole fat doobie and not think so much.  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 10 2005, 08:08 PM |
.jpg) heres a pic takin not long back as the blue orb is mid-morph,notice the global /circular field still cocoons the orb as it flattens inside to form the saucer ,sometimes crescent shape ,when complete the field is less tangible . lol ya ol toothless is me over here,"throws a pebble into the pond" no one has to worry about me gettin an ego,with all these fans im nearly suffocating LOL,singin softly from the dolly pardon 9 to 5 movie....."workin 9 to 5 ,whorin just to make a livin............tryin ,...to get by,...cause the rent bill needs a payin!! but my ass is so ***** ,i wonder how i keep my **** .innnnnnnnnnnn LOLOL*grumbles the voodoo had his way with me one night n never left * in one of the visitiations last year PuPP, a very physical being during the daycame in the house ,he stood only 3ft tall an slender,human body type ,except he flew in my open window from a ufo over house as 5 spinning stars,at first im like ehhh....here we go again ,then it transitioned from these spinning stars to a bodily form,that was diff,this lil guy spent about half an hr explaining from theyre views some of the reasons on why were the way it appears right now,much like as you said,held in money an sex,i understand that its had to happen this way ,it sucks but others will too soon enough,i wont bore ya with the details sufficed to say when finished he changed back into the 5 spinning golden stars,flew back out my "open" window (thats how physical the being was man) ,up to the ufo that hovered away above the cloud line audibly,im Sure it sounds nutso but i ask again,the diff is who provides evidence to ask the question daily via documentation ,an who is around the coffee table too busy talkin crap to notice a visitation lol ,again who wants to believe crazy toothless magindi when theres perfectly good tea-towel wearing proclaimed gurus that know f*ck all about the orbs preaching to the wanting blind masses of things they know not,to people who know not enough to realize it lol,peace man |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 15 2005, 08:00 PM |
| time an time again im reminded/near haunted in a returning kinda way by this post of danbones a while back Danbones Hi Mag Saw my first orb sunday night, flit through the clouds, across a snow covered farm field, while I was havin' an after dinner smoke outside. A perfect blue circle, it did some wickedly quick hoop-de-doos throught the moon lit clouds for about 5 secounds, and was gone. It went in and out of the cloud banks several times in that time. Up this way the the first nations folk say that bears travelled as little balls of blue light. The people here were called the People of the Bear, I am Metis myself. I claim to have been visited all my life, but that was my first sky anomoly, or UFO. What are these orb thingies thought to be down your way? ********** ive seen things stepping out of the orbs now near 3yrs ,some of the first was the night in the cane field,ive also had it in reverse where ive watched orbs the size of say basketballs for reference hover close,an front on enter my chest,i see my body illuminate in the chest region,for seconds after this i see myself from the outside in,an later i return to conscious memory ,i never pull back the memory of what happens at those times but thats what happens.... why i cant forget the post of dans is the first time i saw the blue orbs i saw a sentient being come forth from the orb,some are tall,some short,some slender,there are all types but the rocker for me is the fact that coming from australia an never having seen a bear really live,these ones looked like baby bears,very smooth but more snouts than jaws as we know .....its nothing,but it still blows my mind someone said that,there can be no coincidence in this situation,the similarities are to full on .....the bear people still visit,they're calm ,powerfull in presence yet still gentle.....theyre eyes like the kerubim in a ways, sometimes glow from theyre own luminosity,they glow blue/white....time will come sooner rather than later for people to realize natures true sentience in the forms all around us,an the ties that bound us to star brethren ,there is no difference between the insect,or the bear an those weve come to think as starbrothers ,bound by the same elements of this universe,the same strands,threads of life , we will always be peace |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 15 2005, 08:39 PM |
| Dang Sir MagIndi, Both of your posts are amazing. Thanks for sharing those encounters! Did you see something like this?      |
| Posted by: Impetuosity Jun 16 2005, 08:21 AM |
Oh my goodness, PuPP. What in the world is that??? It is sooo ugly, and yet somewhat vulnerable looking...  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 16 2005, 07:44 PM |
| no man i havent seen any round faced ones like that real life yet,(i say yet as ive learnt to say never say never with this phenomena)although round faced typed faces appear all over the house an country over the last five years along with all the rest,inscribed in living or "dead" trees,along the rock shelves ,either carved in or drawn literally in mould to a degree of quality artists spin too,nor have i seen tracks like it but there are tracks of feet sorta like it but with 4 toes like that i see often ,maybe more rounded toes at the end though ,but small prints ,not as large as many ive found . the vunerability aspect is one of the biggest things of all an that wich nature expresses to us always,just because we appear to have dominance over the land in wich we live doesnt necessarily give us power over it as some would like us to believe,i cant dismiss the theory but would only ask others to think more laterally than dominance = our percieved effect on the country an physical aspects of things around us ,as ive said before a common cold can alter the daily happenings in our lives like going to work,so it too can alter the shape of our life paths if neccessary ,an so that particular virus/life shouldnt be as easily dismissed as non sentient as easily as we do , heres the deal ,standing there face to face its very clear theyre physically in front of you ,but in that position they are as vunerable as we are in ways an whoever says oh "i could do it easily "is no closer to understanding as i am to taking a swim in the queen of englands private pool lol....im working towards reaching out in open-ness but im afraid that when i feel the inevitable "touch back" that auto reaction may cause me to flinch an in that action cause unwanted damage ,i feel its vice versa too.its like a spider ok,depending on personal issues you know it can bite you ,an you can hurt it ,but if left alone with clear surroundings we each can cruise around each other without issue,but if circumstances unseen arise an the spider is say knocked off the branch ure looking at it on ,an it falls towards you,maybe even lands on ure collar ,natural instinct is to brush it off or more,sadly it means normally someone is either bitten ,hurt or worse ,human or insect (by the way were closer to the arachnid family than most would want to concieve) ...its the unseen circumstance im working on over time to adjust myself too so that the unwanted situation described above doesnt happen an ruin the work weve all put in to get this far,(if any one gets that lol),theres been lots of these meetings of "getting familiar with each other" to date its gone ok,i hope when the times right we can take it further an i hope not to f*ck it basically ...so no i havent seen that type dude yet,an the ones drawn around in the various elements are slightly diff still,ill see if can dig one up to show you , lol i wish ,ill try to convert the vid i have here of a spider that was on me maybe km's man ,when i got home i realized an took it off me,the only unusual part about it man was that turn the lights off.........an the 2 large fangs it had glowed auric red in the pitch black,eeery but one of the hundreds of freaky animal/insect/flora an fauna things that happen around me it seems,heres another ,my mrs can confirm having seen it multiple times,branches actually "popping "from the trunks of trees when i walk past ,not snapping ,popping ,leaving a rounded end on the branch an a rounded indenture in the trunk of the tree it self.its in the smaller annomolies that ground work for closer encounters come,the natural annomolies by far diff from physical meets with sentients an yet the common bonds remain an so each steps(in understanding) to another step etc,peace man ps its too thank you for the place to express what happens here at home an in my life lately PuPP |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 16 2005, 08:28 PM | ||||
Some type of being, not sure myself. It looks like it's wearing a suit that has been melted... notice the tubes sticking out of its chest? I agree, it does not look menacing to me. G. W. Bush, the NEW pope Ratberger, Richard Perle, Ariel Sharon... those beings look much more menacing to me. I fully believe there are other beings who do not look human who are on or above Earth and I am not afraid of them. Unless they wish to eat me of course. I recall reading or seeing a report on a tv UFO special, years before my internet research, of the US militaries inhumane acts when they had found a disk and its occupants. According to the eye witness report, one was still alive and clutching some small box in its diminutive hands. The soldier slammed his rifle butt into its head to make it release the box. One day you may realize that what lives among us and rules over us IS inhuman and inhumane and have been here for thousands of years spreading their bloodlines while slaughtering the good loving peoples. THEY thrive on pain, fear, suffering, torment and torture.
Cool, thanks! I wasn't sure if the photos I posted were of something you've seen before. Speaking of spiders... while in high school, waiting at the bus stop, a black gal behind me says "Boy you got da biggest spidah I ever did see on yer back." I turned around and gave a look to one of the dark skinned mexican guys behind me, he brushed it off... it was a huge black widow spider. I graciously thanked him! MagIndi, your websites looking great, but remember, the more info you add (page links), the harder it is for anyone to get a quick gasp at what you have seen. You need to put a couple of HOT images on your main page - IMO. Remember, some truth seekers online do not have hours to go thru a website and you can make a bigger impact by displaying a couple of HOT images. Just a suggestion. Peace, Mark |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 16 2005, 08:47 PM |
| most saddening to hear the rifle-butt bit,maybe that soldier could do with a few around his noggin to feel how it feels eh,sad sack of a greeting we give isnt it . the spider thing is no chance stuff Mark,an those signs sometimes going years back but (notice how it stays in the memory).ill say this to the grave but an awfull lot of stuff started for me after being bitten by a 5inch long centipede,wether bites ,scratches or many other scenarios its still sharing cellular memory. ta for the site comments,means allot to a bloke that couldnt lay the first brick/or page a few months back lol thanks for helpin me there with that too,now why u chose to help a simple ol toothless and friendless crack whore like meself i dunno but thanks never the less lol,ill take the advice on site, its something i need to address as im getting the vibes it might be the case,especially in regards to the gallery pic star links?,maybe after my next job if i hold back on the crack, i might be able to pay for help,nawww who am i kidding ? LOL ill just have to do it meself as usual lmao. |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 16 2005, 09:27 PM |
| Us ole toothless crack whores gotta stick together! http://www.asoulartphenomena.com |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 17 2005, 05:57 AM |
 lol@crackwhores ,gets me everytime.. .hey going through the filers files ,a weekly ufo report from an ex us airforce vet now logging peoples sightings since his experience chasing one over england (an interesting rave as is) ,i found this pic from a sublink there at canada ufo ,the pic takin pre-50's is clearly marked ....i pasted it directly onto a picture i took jan this year in the mid arvo (around the orion nights man) ,it overlays top right onto my pic 50 damn years apart an yet look at the similarities,even down to the subtle contrast where both of these ufos seem to come from a subtle eye/saucer like disc shape.....nothing more ,an no surprise as this isnt the 1st time ive noticed similar instances but as a good scout goes i never seen the pic top right until 20mins ago tops now as said above where found...... one day some one is gonna work out what the hell is going on ,ill be long buried but by friggin god ill keep screamin until im pushin the daisies up loll ! p.s how rooted is this when 30mins back i say to the mrs ,"the ufos comin bub"she nods ,.......2mins later the ufo comes,......if it was friggin quantas/TAA,commercial airlines it isnt normal to tell there coming from the subtle compression on ya body like i feel combined with natural /animal /insect signs ...time ,after time,after time......a shame the ones that claim to wanna know ,actually dont,an the ones we dont want them to know(those that oppose) do know via hack crap,cause trust me they listen .peace man p.p.s i took the photo not 2metres from my front door,2 metres would be being kind,turned to my left an arced up around 45/60 degrees ,unless my eyes are jvc camera lenses it aint refraction cause i could see em with my nakid eye lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 18 2005, 08:22 AM |
 some of the various shots from last night ,peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 21 2005, 05:26 AM |
| glad to see ya back PuPP an wb Gandesh2005 you were noticeably missed.peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 22 2005, 06:07 PM |
yo PuPP recently i write to filers files an forward some material ,the report this week shows a bloody beautiful rescript of my message written,my one typo not fixed lol,an not even the site addy !!!poooooooor form to rescript anybodys words without consent ,ill happily show you the original mail (paste here if like) for any that wanna see someones words re-tweaked!!!then to cap it slaps me slap bam in between 2 of the other aussie investigators that one waylayed me over 8mnths doing nothing!!the other is abroad gathering info for an aussie documentary  logic there eh when she lives in brisbane ,in less than one hrs flight way lol to see genuine aussie ufos instead of reporting sightings in denver lmao ps oh to add........ROFLMAO@mufon.....when will i learn eh forever doing nothing for the truth an a great job at airing the old an now historic bullsh*t lol |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 22 2005, 07:30 PM |
| MagIndi, please post your email to Filers and show us the script and how they changed your words. If you notice, I don't post hardly any Filers reports here. Or MUFON reports for that matter. I get Bad Juju - Bad Vibes from the Filers reports, though I am sure some are authentic. I feel most of these popular online UFO reporting services are backed by THEM and I would never share my experiences with THEM. But yeah, please share both: ...your email and the re-script of your message for us all to see. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 22 2005, 07:54 PM |
| sure ,it "appears" that hes takin bits from 3 mails ,the main though from the original an 1st sent to him ,heres the mail pasted direct from my "sent" box in email proggy ****************************paste**************************** -------Original Message------- From: soulart Date: 06/09/05 14:05:02 To: majorstar@aol.com Subject: hello im australian and have been documenting ufos over home five years daily and would like to contribute we had a friend after witnessing ufos over home help us get a site to show people whats happening,sir you are welcome to any of the material on there if it interests you,we have around 1000 still pictures online an 30 or more short videos from earthlights to delta shaped ufos,saucers etc. http://www.asoulartphenomena.com it is difficult to report any more than to say it is everyday/everynight!!! ill attach a video of early this year where 3 nights in a row the ufos flew through orion!ive been documeting them 5yrs an its not normal to see ,im unsure of the message but it was def trying to say something.. having been in cane fields as close as 30metres away from orbs/earthlights the size of medium cars with footage that techs say would have cost tens of thousands to reproduce wich trust me were broke an dont have a dollar,if ud like to see the clip ill send you . just a quick mail to let you know its happening in north queensland australia an has been for 5years sir,multiple witnesses ,covert military(also have footage) ,i write as a friend mailed me your latest report(mary rodwell from acern aust),peace ps attached also is a blueorb that visits over home,shes very big,house size ,a short video and still pic is included ,the orion clip is all through nights in one vid,if you would like all three separate please dont hesitate to mail. ********************end paste*************************** i feel thats the poorest form out there to change someones words,i wasnt notified of any rescripting nor has he replied bar once a while back even though ive sent him some good stuff man.so much for the "investigators"again ......it was chalker who waylayed me 8mnths before mike came ,someone who stuck true to his word of actually investigating!!.....chalk has contributed much to the lack of interest at home here via what he "doesnt say" an the fact that he doesnt like vids!what twat investigator cant like video,oh sorry its "safer" to report on material that cant be contrary to theyre opinions i suppose....i feel again let down by trust to the people were "meant" to goto with these types of reports ps now heres what he wrote in latest report *****************paste from filers ******************* ATHERTON, NORTH QUEENSLAND – Ross writes, “Just a quick e-mail to let you know UFOs have been happening here for five years. Sir, there are multiple witnesses; even covert military have footage. My friend Mary mailed me your latest report from Acern, Australia and wanted me to notify you. It is difficult to report one particular sighting because we see them everyday and every night!!! I’ll attach a video of early this year where 3 nights in a row the UFOs flew through Orion! I’ve been documenting them for five years and they often seem to try to communicate, but I'm unsure of their message. I have been in cane fields with UFOs as close as 30 metres away and I have seen orbs or earthlights the size of medium cars with footage that techs say would have cost tens of thousands to reproduce. Trust me we're broke. Attached is a blue orb that visits over our home regularly, that is a very big house size. A short video and still picture are included. The Orion clip is all through nights in one vitrify. You are the FIRST in five years to ask or show interest in the propulsion systems! You are welcome to post the pictures and I thank you for asking for these, since there is no need to write fiction This is not fiction, it's very real, and very current, these things are flying over my family's home for five years on a daily basis. Thanks to Ross *****************end paste of filers number 26********** ps.s note the scripting glitches when i copy/paste,or goto reply,or forward.also the fact that mary didnt say send on to im,nor the fact that hes missed out the site addy ,it goes on. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 22 2005, 08:00 PM |
| see now why in the other room i made the crack ill paste the mail to the other place here 1st then see the reply,ive copped stuff like this from day one!!!!2nights back the mrs an i watched a pearler ufo,so weird ,red an blue alternate strobes that appeared to come from no fixed position ,it was juttery,stopped n started,flew very slowly,reversed an then preceded forward,so disheartening have been the responses from these a-hole types that i never even bothered to pull out the camera even though we never left the front porch to view it over 5mins . |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 22 2005, 08:06 PM |
| Hoy MagIndi, I can see editing some of your typos and forming what "we're taught" are complete sentances, but man.... they seemed to twist your words as they totally rewrote them. That's not cool! Oh well, let's look at the bright side: You may get more people looking at your site and increased interest in the phenomenon you have on display and still observing nightly. I for one am just itching to come visit you and see it for myself! |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 22 2005, 08:14 PM |
| One of these days, I'm gonna go through this thread and make a PHOTO Gallery (That no one can post to) of your images for the forum. I'll bet hardly anyone will ever go through 9 pages of this thread and not many look at the original posts of the awesome stuff you sent me that I cropped, resized and posted. Hang in there MagIndi, and please don't stop video taping when you see some goodies in the night sky. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 22 2005, 08:21 PM |
| mate ill set up a frickin candlelight dinner ,carry the beer on my back to the spot where i took noddy the first night an maybe we can watch them alltogether as we crack a toast to those that oppose for doing such a great job as the 1st set of ufos fly by lol,ure very more than welcome,especially you,hell ive welcomed any investigators,anyone at all!!,only one named mike from strangenation actually showed who to his word like you ,actually did what he said an came!.....the report above my rescripted now bullsh*t report is from a chick that i welcomed months back,who chose to goto denver colorado first to gather info on an aussie documentary????????????? lol u tell me.poor form from george ,but old hat now to any that happen to be sitting on the truth.the mother of all doobees awaits you on arrival,so big we will need trumpet bearers to carry it an a torch lighter assigned to lit the fricker up ,note how those that oppose slowly win via this sh*t when i cant be bothered camming another classic ufo flyby,its how they work,they dont like wiping you quick wich is easy,no they like the slow grind,in this way they can characterize our types ,sadly so the next gen like us are one step behind the 8ball before they even get a start,as were we. ps man it is so notttttttt coolllllllllll,to retype someones words like that,the obvious apparent issues arise just as those that oppose wanted.....id be gratefull as would the phenomena im sure if one day u did that gallery thing,an <sighs>i will keep going next flyby basically because theres still someone out there that wants to see it ,for that thankyou . |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 22 2005, 08:35 PM |
| you can bet ull be one of the few to receive a free copy of the dvd when its out wich by the way is easily less than a month away ,the addy to the page with all the active x free gallerys featuring hell,at least 1000pics is http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/home.html down below that page is 2 rows of stars ,each star leads to a sep pic gallery ranging in all types of ufos an more. |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 22 2005, 08:47 PM |
| http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/home.html When you get some time, please add that link to your main INDEX.HTML page. Or another suggestion... RENAME Home.html to INDEX.HTML and RENAME INDEX.html to NAVIGATE.HTML I could use some doobage, it sucks being without! Thanks for the offer! |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 22 2005, 09:08 PM |
| ya an we'll be there ,watching as they fly by,2 recorders running an the wanks will say the video cams were stoned lololol,ya ill rework the index name pages when vid stuff is finished,im halfway through a big push to overseas media an the page mixups are a necessary hiccup until im done wich isnt long ,peace |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 22 2005, 09:10 PM |
| Oki Dokie...Sounds cool. I got my flaming candle for that doobage!!  |
| Posted by: MagindII Jun 22 2005, 09:59 PM |
| ok changed the index page sorta to accomodate ,if you go direct to http://www.asoulartphenomena.com theres a spinning 3d animation of a soul art phenomena ,click that image takes you direct to the photo gallery navigate page ,as i have the voodoo gods on me back ill not know if it works till anyone clicks it an goes there so ill wait with the wind an tumbleweed here till someone does lol |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 22 2005, 10:17 PM |
| Ok, I clicked! It works! Cool! |
| Posted by: Visiting PuPPs Fan Jun 23 2005, 12:39 AM |
| Hey MagIndi You're pictures are great and you're doing humankind and more importantly Nature and Earth an important service by sticking with what you believe in. I hope you still have horses with you. Your trade is sacred. The one who tends to the feet of horses is very important and the one who works metal is of magickal understanding. I put a post in the dreams thread of a dream that I had back in 1998. You might like it. I think that THEY really mean to take horse away from us. That would be very bad. Take care and look after your body  lots of fluids and vitamin B. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 23 2005, 03:22 AM |
| ta PuPP means allot when getting the outside view in all the while being in the coffee cup if ya get that lol.....thanks also to PuPPs fan ,i see you know the background a bit on farriers,ya ill always have horses in my life,my real name even means horse in german ,since this started though 5 yrs back those that oppose have done so much more than just aid in taking my livlihood ,so much more,i hope to any i care for an PuPP will understand you never have to even meet the ugly tail of the beast that controls those that oppose those that would seek to do good in areas that make the beast shiver/is vunerable ...but thanks again for your support an i do hope you enjoy going through any of the stuff on that site an letting the phenomena talk to you as it does in the visualizations alone ,peace hun an thankies PuPP. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 23 2005, 07:37 PM |
 heres a pretty pic ,since the ufos started i get strange animal stuff like never before,butterflys land on fingertips,wild birds eating chicken drumsticks from my hands etc etc,this pic takin with like 2 degrees zoom,it was close .posted just for the pretties peace all |
| Posted by: Orions Belch Jun 24 2005, 08:10 PM |
| I am in awe at the images posted in this thread. If they are for reals they are incredible!!!!! I saw this James Gililand guy on the History channel and his website has many of the same type of orbs as Magindi. How come Magindi isn't on the History channel? |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 24 2005, 08:27 PM |
| thanks for the post orion and im glad you liked the orbs,its very real an happens everynight ,sometimes daytime for 5yrs that my family is aware of!weve been documenting it on video camera via streaming footage an still pictures,if youd like to see more goto http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/home.html on that page down the bottom youll see 2 rows of stars ,each star leads to a gallery of pictures that show all types of orbs an more...lately,i personally like the daytime one that can be found at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/2003DayGlow/index.html peace man an thanks again for the post,as for the history channel ,you tell me,james is well aware the phenomena rocks at home here an has a down under section of some of my footage but to date no interest from those in the media is shown in australia,it would be nice one day to see the phenomena here validated . ps oh with a name like orion you might like to view the video at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/orionseries.html where january this year ufos flew through orion 3 nights in a row |
| Posted by: Orions Belch Jun 24 2005, 08:37 PM |
| Thanks Mag, I've been following PuPPs posts for a while and he's talked quite a bit about the connection of Orion. Yes, I saw the videos on the first page of the thread and I checked out your website. You should be famous!!!! I wish I could see what you have seen. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 24 2005, 09:07 PM |
| wow thanks for the interest orion ,the orion connection in january was def something special ,after all these years watching them it def wasnt normal an to this date im sure correlates with the numbers that appear around our house.as for famous lol no that isnt my karma so it seems but im only interested in having the phenomena validated that its happening here so that it can be plugged into the bigger picture. weve just put together a dvd of some of the best of stuff,its gonna be called "australias orion connection!"i get the final edit hopefully today in mail an then once checked were gonna print some up to get out there ,its got some cool stuff ,ufos flying into gorges towards me ,skyline clearly visible with ufo in frame ,um the night i filmed em in a cane field where 30metres was as close as i was allowed before they backed away,daytime orbs ,basically some really good stuff as we didnt just throw what we had on it,theres oooodles of material so we chose the stuff that really gets the skeptic having to work hard on their excuses lol i have had some damn good experiences man that not even the cam can pick up but i do hope u saw the vid of the lil floaties that float around while camming the ufos some nights ,that is always trippy lol,peace man heres some pics of the delta shape job,the orange ones are no night vision,it even shows what appears to be it entering our atmosphere or something like it.the 3rd pic is not in sequence,my mistake making the multi image is all.   |
| Posted by: Visiting PuPPS Fan Jun 24 2005, 09:41 PM |
| Hey, MagIndi, I looked up the German word for horse - "Pferd"? The Collins Gem German Dictionary is my only source for German Linguistics close to hand. Funny though, the German word for crater is "Krater"  |
| Posted by: MagindII Jun 24 2005, 10:06 PM |
| my name is Ross |
| Posted by: Orions Belch Jun 24 2005, 11:13 PM |
Hello Ross, you must be one of those who are connected to the elementals of the ancients. The things you have videotaped are astounding! Please make your videos available to any who are interested. You are performing the work of someone special. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 25 2005, 07:50 PM |
| im not real good at compliments but thankyou very much orion ,those comments keep ya goin when somedays i wonder why bother...hey Pupp dont ya love when ya wake up in the morning to find a new internet connection made in properties with a number thats not to ya normal internet connection,to boot weve got military choppers everywhere today,...somethings going on out there (in the ufo hot spot) |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jun 25 2005, 09:41 PM |
| VooDoo Spooks hacking away at ya again MagIndi??? Hang in there! I think someone's/something is getting restless... the time is coming. The deceitful ones have had their chance to change the brutal inhuman, destructive path that they're on, but continue to lie and deceive and cause great suffering and environmental destruction instead. Repent I say - Repent! hehehe Orions Belch - good name! |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 25 2005, 10:05 PM |
| yeuppp,an as usual i call my provider who can offer no help bar say its an international dial code to some bullsh*t website.....hell as usual if its porn they still never share with me!!!lol ,not even porn the stingy a-holes lol..... army cars passing down the road today,military choppers flying around the hot spot earlier,somethings happened or going down out there today thats for sure ,but hey ,what could be happening at magindis eh,the closest army barracks is 4hrs away but im told i should be the one to walk up an ask em as well as document the covert crap,ufos,then upload to site,be the webmaster ,scrub the dunny,an all that jazz,oh then theres my family life LOL,id be quicker doing a uni degree,becoming a crappy o-level scientist an writing my own damn paper bro . it is happening,sooner than we think,its the kettle analogy i spoke of earlier ,our backs turned the whistle blows,we jump.......but inside we know what it is an its ok......this the powers that be cant stop an they know it,all they can do is what theyve been frantically teaching ,try an trick us into fighting the ones here to welcome us .....it wont be as long as people think ...an it cant come quick enough for most stuck in the positions most truth seekers are stuck in..peace man |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 26 2005, 09:34 AM |
 may have posted this here ,cant recall but dont think this thread anyways ,its a crystal from a lady down the road,i asked as people know their own crystals best so when ya bring it back bigger they know definitvely,the frostier growth thats more snow white is the new growth,its hardness def shows crystal not salts as i can rub my horse shoeing nails away before the crystal lol...all hosts do this,the first growth frosty then it will clear to a pure clear crystal prysm. note the original more opaque colour,by the end after going through its frosty period that whole crystal opaque color would have givin over to the newer growth,even the crystal that isnt grown,is "washed" somehow in a manner an ends up being clear/clear,not opaque /clear....techs say its IMPOSSIBLE ,eh maybe to them , but in the twi-light zone here im on my multiple host(host meaning,quartz,amethyst,granite even,this host in pic is an agate with quartz backing etc etc,its so bad this particular phenomena that its like watching the old flick "get smart" instead though you watch the doors close on the "minds"of the geologists like bam,bam,bam lololol just another thing with no damn name here at home ,nodstar can confirm that not only the pieces i gave to her that i seeded are still growing but crystals shes had near the seeded cluster the past up to 20yrs have now started to grow too. orion ....."one of those who are connected to the elementals of the ancients"..... really interesting an close to home comment ,if time what is your perception of the elementals of the ancients?peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jun 30 2005, 07:43 AM |
| post to the person who really ever reads what ive been saying to add to the understanding....i paste ********* Living gas Mark Pilkington Thursday September 25, 2003 The Guardian Unusual natural phenomena are likely to account for a number of so-called UFO encounters. Among the most intriguing are "earthlights", first properly studied in the mid-1970s. In the UK, Paul Devereux and Andrew York mapped out areas of UFO activity in Leicestershire, comparing them with maps of tectonic strain along geological fault lines. Two years later Michael Persinger and Gyslaine Lafrenière carried out a similar comparison of the US. Both teams found striking correlations between areas of active tectonic pressure and accounts of unusual lights in the sky. One of the mechanisms suggested by Persinger and Lafrenière to account for the lights was a form of [[[[[piezo-electrical effect]]]]]. This occurs when crystals are crushed under pressure, producing electricity and sometimes [[[ionising the air]]] above to create glowing lights. These might be considered supernatural or extraterrestrial. *************end paste********** from the article found at http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/farout/story/0,13028,1048649,00.html this may sound silly but ive always noted my seeded crystals almost like it rough in a sense ,having crushed them before experimenting they almost seem to like it as it stimulates growth ,so is the observation repeatedly at least. |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jul 1 2005, 07:30 AM |
| UFOs don't exist. It was merely weather balloons, (or was that mylar party balloons), the planet Venus, a flock of seagulls or, Swamp Gas - yeah that's it, it was Swamp Gas!!! But I think the article is correct MagIndi, compressing crystals in the Earth can cause all sorts of strange lights and electrical phenomenon. |
| Posted by: Visiting PuPPs Fan Jul 1 2005, 06:01 PM |
| Technically you're correct PuPP, UFO implies that an object is 'unidentified'. Any government official knows that he can technically state that UFOs don't exist and be telling the truth. I don't know where they get off with the weather balloons and seagulls twaddle though when they could go with the 'naturally occuring energy phenomena' explanation and still be telling the truth. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 3 2005, 09:24 PM |
| not once yet has a single skeptic or "investigator"lol.....<---i laff at how they call themselves that,my fav bill chalker ,an avid non-fan of my footage who implies so much by his "lack of "words or opinions (due to his fear of his reputation)....none of these people have yet once even been able to give me solid evidence that its a satellite (another fav excuse)oh many have givin opinions theyre sats ,but not one can definitavely Prove that they are...........an so as ive always said,if they cant tell me that its a scram jet with engine number blah blah54-yh7 etc.......then theyre still what............frickin ufos!lolol hey PuPP i never got it on cam but 2 days back 5.30pm as sunset was justttt beginning,still very well lit........the angle an sunset/flight path were sweet to give a body on this thing that flew over ..........i swear to god,through my binocs the only way to describe it was like the x-wing fighter in star wars......never in my mind do i get the chance to think on what ya gonna see,but thats what both me an my partner saw ,a refractory white color it clearly had 4 inverted wings like the x-wing fighter in frickin star wars .also to note it appeared to be entering the atmosphere more than already in it!,peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 4 2005, 05:22 AM |
 i see in ancient civilisations thread the talk of "lil people"......i do believe crazy magindi has spokin of these types,an i dunno if posted but its cause that type still visits,in a way there is no extinction,as much as there is no real time as we know it.peace all |
| Posted by: Visiting PuPPs Fan Jul 4 2005, 04:54 PM |
small, hairy, reclusive, "visiting", yep, they're still around  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 4 2005, 07:02 PM |
| 12mnths ago at midday i was playing with ma lil boy in the bedroom,we'd finished his tickle session(wich he loves lol) an i was laying back kicking to the breeze so to speak,my bedroom window was wide open an i was no way near asleep ...it had been very dry,qld hasnt had no way near the rain its needed of late ,our seasons are messed up generally....when suddenly we heard the ufo come overhead...knowing it would be above the cloud line i didnt run outside but noted it had stopped dead over the house.. it was then believe it or not 5 golden ,twinkling stars flew directly into my bedroom from the "open"window...(very physical this was)..i watched as these 5 spinning stars in a circle formed into a little man that stood 3ft tall,very slender ,very a-typical human ,he was clothed in a one piece blue shiny type of uniform/suit and was non hairy with dark hair an eyes that glistened /twinkled constantly,at this stage im like okkkk this is diff lol my partner was in the other room as this thing started to talk to me but had heard the ufo an now heard sounds from the bedroom,having seen this before she wasnt concerned but hadnt had the full idea of what was happening in this visitation, yet..he preceded to talk to me about the development of humanity an how we got here to why were still in this "chakric point of existance"the convo must have been at least 15mins of a 2 way conversive dialouge,he spoke in our language using his mouth,no telepathic stuff just straight up convo after this quite in depth convo he motioned he had to go,i nooded an quite loudly said my goodbyes ,my partner noted the raise in level of convo an came into the bedroom as this lil fella had re formed into these 5 spinninig/golden stars ,an flew back out through the "open"window up to the ufo,the mrs having just missed the lil lad only to see the tail end of something head out the window, then sat with me to hear the ufo take off from a standstill above the house . as it flew away we were BUCKETED with around 5inches of rain in less than 20mins,we live in the tropics but the amount of rain was HUGE as a result from this large ufo taking off,it was clear to us both this rain came from ,somehow ,from the ufos presence ..... there was more to that story of what he talked about but thats the lil people i described once that the aboriginals here have stories of riding dogs,very fluent an came down the mooring anchor lines of the first euro's 200 or so years back,,,peace ps an again this was all very physical,not a meta-physical experience,if ive posted this elsewhere sorry but was a very strong experience |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 4 2005, 08:37 PM |
 the above image is a still shot from the footage of being with them in a cane field one night ,each orb the size of a medium car in intense light the image appears big not through zoom but its sheer closeness to me ,no further than 100metres and as close as 30metres away is as far as i was allowed before they would retreat,when i backed off they would come forward keepiing the equi-distance of 30metres.... below pic is a shape common bond thing i am attempting to try an show people there is communication ,its been here all along,an if there is a good god weve been taught ,this was one of the gifts left behind.  peace all. ps PuPP if the images arent the right size just yell an ill change em,i think they are but im kinda flat out my end here . |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 5 2005, 12:24 AM |
| from the Charter of the United nations,just an interesting reminder to us all about the basics an not the personal stuff,an now look what theyve turned it into only 50 years after the last world war........the second paste is from the original "declaration of human rights" PREAMBLE WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, AND FOR THESE ENDS to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples, HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charter of the United Nations - Preamble --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Universal Declaration of Human Rights (other language versions) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948 On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears in the following pages. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories." PREAMBLE Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations, Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge, Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction. Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Article 2. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty. Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms. Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Article 6. Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law. Article 7. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination. Article 8. Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law. Article 9. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile. Article 10. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him. Article 11. (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed. Article 12. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. Article 13. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country. Article 14. (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations. Article 15. (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality. Article 16. (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses. (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State. Article 17. (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property. Article 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance. Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 20. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association. Article 21. (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives. (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country. (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures. Article 22. Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality. Article 23. (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work. (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests. Article 24. Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay. Article 25. (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection. Article 26. (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children. Article 27. (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits. (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author. Article 28. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized. Article 29. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations. Article 30. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- take note of article 9 ,oh theres so many that seem to have been forgotten, ***Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,**** **** whats thats sayin bushy is back the hell off people that dont want the hotdog eatin macdonalds town you want for us all man. take note of article 12,13 and 14 bushy an howard take note of 19 an 20,as the gov takes these away not even slowly anymore,but in front of our very faces in our "tolerance"to the wrong mob. article 26 no 3 take note people an gov . *********** will these declarations stand to be true,will we allow them to be misused,time is def going to tell us sooner rather than later,peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 8 2005, 06:25 PM |
| i ran across this articlle ,well written from a fella called Dr Michael Salla. **************paste************* Eisenhower’s 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials: The Fiftieth Anniversary of First Contact? Introduction [1] On the night and early hours of February 20-21, 1954, while on a ‘vacation’ to Palm Springs, California, President Dwight Eisenhower went missing and allegedly was taken to Edwards Air force base for a secret meeting. When he showed up the next morning at a church service in Los Angeles, reporters were told that he had to have emergency dental treatment the previous evening and had visited a local dentist. The dentist later appeared at a function that evening and presented as the ‘dentist’ who had treated Eisenhower. The missing night and morning has subsequently fueled rumors that Eisenhower was using the alleged dentist visit as a cover story for an extraordinary event. The event is possibly the most significant that any American President could have conducted: an alleged ‘First Contact’ meeting with extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force base (previously Muroc Airfield), and the beginning of a series of meetings with different extraterrestrial races that led to a ‘treaty’ that was eventually signed. This astonishing First Contact event, if it occurred, will experience its 50th anniversary on February 20-21, 2004. This paper explores the evidence that the First Contact meeting had occurred with extraterrestrials with a distinctive ‘Nordic’ appearance, the likelihood of an agreement having been spurned with this ‘Nordic race’, the start of a series of meetings that led to a treaty eventually being signed with a different extraterrestrial race dubbed the ‘Greys’, and the motivations of the different extraterrestrial races involved in these treaty discussions. The paper will further examine why these events were kept secret for so long, the significance of the 50th anniversary of Eisenhower’s meeting with extraterrestrials, and whether an official disclosure announcement is likely in the near future. Circumstantial Evidence Supporting Eisenhower’s ‘First Contact’ Meeting with Extraterrestrials There is circumstantial and testimonial evidence supporting Eisenhower’s meeting with extraterrestrials and the start of a series of meetings that culminated in the signing of a treaty with a different group of extraterrestrials. The most intriguing are circumstances surrounding Eisenhower’s alleged winter vacation to Palm Springs, California from February 17-24, 1954. Firstly, the ”vacation for the President” which was announced rather suddenly and came less than a week after Eisenhower’s ‘quail shooting’ vacation in Georgia. According to UFO researcher, William Moore, all this was quite unusual and suggested that there was more to the one week visit to Palm Springs than a simple holiday. [2] Second, on the Saturday night of February 20, President Eisenhower did go missing fueling press speculation that he had taken ill or even died. In a hastily convened press conference, Eisenhower’s Press Secretary announced that Eisenhower had lost a tooth cap while eating fried chicken and had to be rushed to a local dentist. The local dentist was introduced at an official function on Sunday February 21, as "the dentist who had treated the president". [3] Moore’s investigation of the incident concluded that the dentist’s visit was being used as a cover story for Eisenhower’s true whereabouts. Consequently, Eisenhower was missing for an entire evening and could easily have been taken from Palm Springs to the nearby Muroc Airfield, later renamed Edwards Air Force base. The unscheduled nature of the President’s vacation, the missing President and the dentist cover story provide circumstantial evidence that the true purpose of his Palm Springs vacation was for him to attend an event whose importance was such that it could not be disclosed to the general public. A meeting with extraterrestrials may well have been the true purpose of his visit. Gerald Light’s Letter That Eisenhower Met With Extraterrestrials The first public source alleging a meeting with extraterrestrials was Gerald Light who in a letter dated April 16, 1954 to Meade Layne, the then director of Borderland Sciences Research Associates (now Foundation), claimed he was part of a delegation of community leaders to an alleged meeting with extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force Base. In a subsequent article, Meade Layne described Light as a “gifted and highly educated writer and lecturer”, who was skilled both in clairvoyance and the occult. [4] Light was a well-known metaphysical community leader in the Southern California area. The alleged purpose of him and others on the delegation was to test public reaction to the presence of extraterrestrials. Light described the circumstances of the meeting as follows: 'My dear friends: I have just returned from Muroc [Edwards Air Force Base]. The report is true -- devastatingly true! I made the journey in company with Franklin Allen of the Hearst papers and Edwin Nourse of Brookings Institute (Truman's erstwhile financial advisor) and Bishop MacIntyre of L.A. (confidential names for the present, please). When we were allowed to enter the restricted section (after about six hours in which we were checked on every possible item, event, incident and aspect of our personal and public lives), I had the distinct feeling that the world had come to an end with fantastic realism. For I have never seen so many human beings in a state of complete collapse and confusion, as they realized that their own world had indeed ended with such finality as to beggar description. The reality of the ‘other plane’ aeroforms is now and forever removed from the realms of speculation and made a rather painful part of the consciousness of every responsible scientific and political group. During my two days' visit I saw five separate and distinct types of aircraft being studied and handled by our Air Force officials -- with the assistance and permission of the Etherians! I have no words to express my reactions. It has finally happened. It is now a matter of history. President Eisenhower, as you may already know, was spirited over to Muroc one night during his visit to Palm Springs recently. And it is my conviction that he will ignore the terrific conflict between the various 'authorities' and go directly to the people via radio and television -- if the impasse continues much longer. From what I could gather, an official statement to the country is being prepared for delivery about the middle of May. [5] Of course no such formal announcement was made, and Light’s supposed meeting has either been the best-kept secret of the twentieth century or the fabrication of an elderly mystic known for out of body experiences. The events Light describes in his meeting in terms of the panic and confusion of many of those present, the emotional impact of the alleged landing, and the tremendous difference of opinion on what to do in terms of telling the public and responding to the extraterrestrial visitors, are plausible descriptions of what may have occurred. Indeed, the psychological and emotional impact Light describes for senior national security leaders at the meeting is consistent with what could be expected for such a ‘life changing event’. A further way of determining Light’s claim is to investigate the figures he named along with himself as part of the community delegation, and whether they could have been plausible candidates for such a meeting. Dr Edwin Nourse (1883-1974) was the first chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors to the President (1944-1953) and was President Truman’s chief economic advisor. [6] Nourse officially retired to private life in 1953 and would certainly have been a good choice of someone who could give confidential economic advise to the Eisenhower administration. If Dr Nourse was present at such a meeting, he did so in order to provide his expertise on the possible economic impact of First Contact with extraterrestrials. Another of the individuals mentioned by Light was Bishop MacIntyre. Cardinal James Francis MacIntyre was the bishop and head of the Catholic Church in Los Angeles (1948-1970) and would have been an important gauge for the possible reaction from religious leaders generally, and in particular from the most influential and powerful religious institution on the planet – the Roman Catholic Church. In particular, Cardinal MacIntyre would have been a good choice as a representative for the Vatican since he was appointed the first Cardinal of the Western United States by Pope Pius XII in 1952. All Cardinal MacIntyre’s correspondence is closed to researchers thus making it impossible to confirm what impact the visit to Muroc had on him and what he communicated to other church leaders and the Vatican. [7] Cardinal MacIntyre had sufficient rank and authority to represent the Catholic Church and the religious community in a delegation of community leaders. The fourth member of the delegation of community leaders was Franklin Winthrop Allen, a former reporter with the Hearst Newspapers Group. [8] Allen was 80 years old at the time, author of a book instructing reporters on how to deal with Congressional Committee Hearings, and would have been a good choice for a member of the press who could maintain confidentiality. The four represented senior leaders of the religious, spiritual, economic and newspaper communities and were well advanced in age and status. They would certainly have been plausible choices for a community delegation that could provide confidential advise on a possible public response to a First Contact event involving extraterrestrial races. Such a selection would have constituted a ‘wise men’ group that would have been entirely in character for the conservative nature of American society in 1954. While Light may well contrived such a list in a fabricated account or ‘out of body’ experience as Moore implies in his analysis, there is nothing in Light’s selection that eliminates the possibility that they were plausible members of such a delegation. [9] At face value then, the selection of such a ‘wise men’ group gives some credence to Light’s claim. It may be concluded then that following items all make up circumstantial evidence that a meeting with extraterrestrials occurred. The first is Eisenhower’s missing night. The second is the weak ‘cover story’ used for Eisenhower’s absence. The third is Light’s description of actual events at the meeting in terms of the psychological and emotional impact of the described meeting which is consistent with what could be anticipated. The final is Light’s description of the composition of community leaders or ‘wise men’ at the meeting. These four items collectively provide circumstantial evidence that a meeting with extraterrestrials occurred and that Eisenhower was present. Testimonies Supporting Eisenhower’s Meeting With Extraterrestrials There are a number of other sources alleging an extraterrestrial meeting at Edwards Air force base that corresponded to a formal First Contact event. These sources are based on testimonies of ‘whistleblowers’ that witnessed documents or learned from their ‘insider contacts’ of such a meeting. These testimonies describe what appears to be two separate sets of meetings involving different extraterrestrial groups who met either with President Eisenhower and/or with Eisenhower administration officials over a short period of time. The first of these meetings, the actual ‘First Contact’ event, did not lead to an agreement and the extraterrestrials were effectively spurned. The second of these meetings did lead to an agreement, and this has been apparently become the basis of subsequent secret interactions with extraterrestrial races involved in the ‘treaty’ that was signed. There is some discrepancy in the sequence of meetings and where they were held, but all agree that a ‘First Contact’ meeting involving President Eisenhower did occur, and that one of these meetings occurred with his February 1954 visit to Edwards Air force base. The first version of Eisenhower’s meeting is described by one of the most ‘controversial’ whistleblowers to ever have come forward into the public arena to describe an extraterrestrial presence. William Cooper served on the Naval Intelligence briefing team for the Commander of the Pacific Fleet between 1970-73, and had access to classified documents that he had to review in order to fulfill his briefing duties. He describes the background and nature of the ‘First contact’ with extraterrestrials as follows: In 1953 Astronomers discovered large objects in space which were moving toward the Earth. It was first believed that they were asteroids. Later evidence proved that the objects could only be Spaceships. Project Sigma intercepted alien radio communications. When the objects reached the Earth they took up a very high orbit around the Equator. There were several huge ships, and their actual intent was unknown. Project Sigma, and a new project, Plato, through radio communications using the computer binary language, was able to arrange a landing that resulted in face to face contact with alien beings from another planet. Project Plato was tasked with establishing diplomatic relations with this race of space aliens. In the meantime a race of human looking aliens contacted the U.S. Government. This alien group warned us against the aliens that were orbiting the Equator and offered to help us with our spiritual development. They demanded that we dismantle and destroy our nuclear weapons as the major condition. They refused to exchange technology citing that we were spiritually unable to handle the technology which we then possessed. They believed that we would use any new technology to destroy each other. This race stated that we were on a path of self destruction and we must stop killing each other, stop polluting the Earth, stop raping the Earth's natural resources, and learn to live in harmony. These terms were met with extreme suspicion, especially the major condition of nuclear disarmament. It was believed that meeting that condition would leave us helpless in the face of an obvious alien threat. We also had nothing in history to help with the decision. Nuclear disarmament was not considered to be within the best interest of the United States. The overtures were rejected. [10] The significant point about Cooper’s version is that the humanoid extraterrestrial race was not willing to enter into technology exchanges that might help weapons development, and instead was focused on spiritual development. Significantly, the overtures of these extraterrestrials were turned down. Confirmation that the First Contact meeting involved extraterrestrials who were effectively spurned for taking what might be considered a principled stand on technology assistance and nuclear weapons comes from the son of a former Navy Commander who claimed that his father had been present at the First Contact event on February 20-21, 1954. According to Charles L. Suggs, a retired Sgt from the US Marine Corps, his father Charles L. Suggs, (1909-1987) was a former Commander with the US Navy who attended the meeting at Edwards Air force base with Eisenhower. [11] Sgt Suggs recounted his father’s experiences from the meeting in a 1991 interview with a prominent UFO researcher: Charlie's father, Navy Commander Charles Suggs accompanied Pres. Ike along with others on Feb. 20th. They met and spoke with 2 white-haired Nordics that had pale blue eyes and colorless lips. The spokesman stood a number of feet away from Ike and would not let him approach any closer. A second nordic stood on the extended ramp of a bi-convex saucer that stood on tripod landing gear on the landing strip. According to Charlie, there were B-58 Hustlers on the field even though the first one did not fly officially till 1956. These visitors said they came from another solar system. They posed detailed questions about our nuclear testing. [12] Another ‘whistleblower’ who confirms that First Contact involved an extraterrestrial race being spurned for their principled stand on technology transfer is the son of the famous creator of the Lear Jet, William Lear. John Lear is a former Lockheed L-1011 Captain who flew over 150 test aircraft and held 18 world speed records, and during the late 1960's, 1970's and early 1980's was a contract pilot for the CIA. Lear developed a close relationship with CIA Director (DCI) William Colby who was in charge of covert operations in Vietnam before becoming DCI. According to Lear there had indeed been a warning from another race prior to an agreement being eventually signed, and he claimed they visited Muroc/Edward and the following occurred: In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology. [13] <![endif]> Cooper’s and Lear’s idea of more than one extraterrestrial race interacting with the Eisenhower administration is supported by other whistleblowers such as former Master Sergeant Robert Dean who like Cooper, had access to top secret documents while working in the intelligence division for the Supreme Commander of a major US military command. In Dean’s 27 year distinguished military career, he served at the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe where he witnessed these documents while serving under the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe. Dean claimed: The group at the time, there were just four that they knew of for certain and the Greys were one of those groups. There was a group that looked exactly like we do. There was a human group that looked so much like us that that really drove the admirals and the generals crazy because they determined that these people, and they had seen them repeatedly, they had had contact with them, there had been abductions, there had been contacts… Two other groups, there was a very large group, I say large, they were 6-8 maybe sometimes 9 feet tall and they were humanoid, but they were very pale, very white, didn't have any hair on their bodies at all. And then there was another group that had sort of a reptilian quality to them. We had encountered them, military people and police officers all over the world have run into these guys. They had vertical pupils in their eyes and their skin seemed to have a quality very much like what you find on the stomach of a lizard. So those were the four they knew of in 1964. [14] There is some discrepancy in the testimonials as to which Air force base the spurned extraterrestrials met with President Eisenhower and/or Eisenhower administration officials. Cooper claims this occurred at Homestead Air force base in Florida, and not Edwards. [15] On the other hand Lear and Suggs suggest it occurred at Edwards. In his letter, Gerald Light pointed to intense disagreement amongst Eisenhower officials in responding to the extraterrestrials at the Edwards AFB meeting. Such intense disagreement may predictably have occurred if national security officials were responding to an extraterrestrial request to abandon the pursuit of weapons technologies. Given the intensity of the Cold War, the national security officials present may well have decided it was more prudent to seek better terms before agreeing to the extraterrestrials request. Light’s testimony implies that the meeting at Edwards did not result in an agreement, but instead resulted in intense disagreement between Eishenhower officials. Consequently, I will conclude that the Lear and Suggs version is more accurate, and that the ‘First Contact’ meeting occurred at Edwards Air force base in February 20-21, 1954. The Subsequent 1954 Agreement with Extraterrestrials According to the testimonies examined so far, the February 20-21, 1954 meeting was not successful, and the extraterrestrials were spurned due to their refusal to enter into technology exchanges and insistence on nuclear disarmament by the US and presumably other major world powers. Cooper describes the circumstances of a subsequent agreement that was reached after the failure of the first meeting. While Cooper has a different version of dates and times for the 1954 meetings, he agrees that there were two sets of meetings involving different extraterrestrials meeting with President Eisenhower and/or Eisenhower administration officials. [16] Later in 1954 the race of large nosed Gray Aliens which had been orbiting the Earth landed at Holloman Air Force Base. A basic agreement was reached. This race identified themselves as originating from a Planet around a red star in the Constellation of Orion which we called Betelgeuse. They stated that their planet was dying and that at some unknown future time they would no longer be able to survive there. [17] The meeting at Holloman Air force base in New Mexico has reportedly been the site of subsequent extraterrestrial meetings with the same extraterrestrials who it will be shown signed the 1954 treaty. In 1972-73, for example, the producers Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler, had allegedly been offered and witnessed actual Air force film footage of a meeting involving Grey extraterrestrials that occurred at Holloman Air force base in 1971. [18] Cooper explained the terms of the 1954 treaty reached with the Grey extraterrestrials as follows: The treaty stated that the aliens would not interfere in our affairs and we would not interfere in theirs. We would keep their presence on earth a secret. They would furnish us with advanced technology and would help us in our technological development. They would not make any treaty with any other Earth nation. They could abduct humans on a limited and periodic basis for the purpose of medical examination and monitoring of our development, with the stipulation that the humans would not be harmed, would be returned to their point of abduction, would have no memory of the event, and that the alien nation would furnish Majesty Twelve with a list of all human contacts and abductees on a regularly scheduled basis. [19] Another whistleblower source for a treaty having been signed is Phil Schneider, a former geological engineer that was employed by corporations contracted to build underground bases worked extensively on black projects involving extraterrestrials. He revealed his own knowledge of the treaty in the following: Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had to give details about the people involved. [20] Schneider’s knowledge of the treaty would have come from his familiarity with a range of compartmentalized black projects and interaction with other personnel working with extraterrestrials. Yet another whistleblower source for an agreement being signed is Dr Michael Wolf, who claims to have served on various policy-making committees responsible for extraterrestrial affairs for twenty five years. [21] He claims that the Eisenhower administration entered into the treaty with an extraterrestrial race and that this treaty was never ratified as constitutionally required. [22] Significantly, a number of whistleblowers argue that the treaty that was signed involved some compulsion on the part of the extraterrestrials. Don Phillips is a former Air force serviceman and employee on clandestine aviation projects who testified having seen documents describing the meeting between President Eisenhower and extraterrestrials, and the background to a subsequent agreement: We have records from 1954 that were meetings between our own leaders of this country and ET’s here in California. And, as I understand it from the written documentation, we were asked if we would allow them to be here and do research. I have read that our reply was well, how can we stop you? You are so advanced. And I will say by this camera and this sound, that it was President Eisenhower that had this meeting. [23] Col Phillip Corso, a highly decorated officer that served in Eisenhower’s National Security Council alluded to a treaty signed by the Eisenhower administration with extraterrestrials in his memoirs. He wrote: “We had negotiated a kind of surrender with them [extraterrestrials] as long as we couldn’t fight them. They dictated the terms because they knew what we most feared was disclosure.” [24] Corso’s claim of a ‘negotiated surrender’ suggests that some sort of agreement or ‘treaty’ was reached which he was not happy with. What Do We Know of the Grey Extraterrestrials that signed the Treaty? According to Cooper, the Grey extraterrestrials signing the treaty were not trustworthy: By 1955 it became obvious that the aliens had deceived Eisenhower and had broken the treaty…. It was suspected that the aliens were not submitting a complete list of human contacts and abductees to the Majesty Twelve and it was suspected that not all abductees had been returned. [25] Similarly, Lear argued that the Grey extraterrestrials quickly broke the treaty and could not be trusted: … a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found the abductions exceeded by a million fold than what we had naively agreed to. [26] Other whistleblowers also suggested that the extraterrestrials who signed the Treaty with Eisenhower couldn’t be trusted. Schneider claimed that despite the treaty’s provisions on the number of humans who would be ‘abducted’ for experiments, “the aliens altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it at all.” [27] As mentioned earlier, Col Phillip Corso similarly believed that the extraterrestrials that the Eisenhower administration entered into agreements with couldn’t be trusted. Corso believed these forced a ‘negotiated surrender’ suggesting an extraterrestrial agenda that was suspect. While General Douglas Macarthur didn’t directly mention any government treaty with extraterrestrials, he gave a famous warning in October 1955 suggesting that some extraterrestrial presence existed that threatened human sovereignty: You now face a new world, a world of change. We speak in strange terms, of harnessing the cosmic energy, of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy." "The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets. [28] Macarthur may well have been alluding to the same extraterrestrials that Corso, Cooper and Lear believed had entered into an agreement with the Eisenhower administration. Significantly, reports of contacts with extraterrestrials began to change once the alleged treaty began to be implemented. The friendly ‘space brothers’ reports involving contactees of the 1950s changed as reports of abductions began to emerge after the first recorded case in 1961 involving Barney and Betty Hill: Another apparent pattern that has occurred in Ufology is the dominance of the space brothers in the 1950's who were kind, interacted with people who became known as contactees, and took people for rides in their space crafts. This pattern changed dramatically with the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill in the early 1960's. The space brother human types of the 1950's seemed to fade away, and they were replaced in the UFO literature with another type of alien. In the early sixties the first abduction of the Hills began a new pattern where the aliens were grey "evil" aliens who would abduct people against their will, and perform medical procedures on them. There were, as far as this author is aware no confirmed cases of "classic" abductions in the 1950's. Unlike the "good" space brothers of the 1950's these grey aliens were described by all, who were unfortunate enough to have met with them, as being distant and without emotions. [29] According to Wolf, the extraterrestrials were Greys from the fourth planet of the star system Zeta Reticulum, while Cooper claims they were tall Greys from Betelgeuse, Orion. Wolf’s and Cooper’s differing versions likely reflect a close relationship between Greys from Rigel and Betelguese, and that more than one species of extraterrestrials may have been covered in the treaty. Wolf has described the Greys as having positive motivations in regard to their presence on Earth, but have been inhibited and targeted by rogue elements in the US military. [30] Similarly, Robert Dean believes that the extraterrestrials visiting Earth are friendly. [31] This contrasts with the testimonies of Cooper, Lear, Schneider, Corso and arguably even Macarthur over the true motivations of the Greys. It is worth repeating Gerald Light’s claim of a “terrific conflict between the various 'authorities'” on whether to inform the general public or not. It is likely that these differing perspectives on the motivations of the Greys reflected an uncertainty that has continued to intensely divide policy makers up to the present on how to best respond to the extraterrestrial presence and what to tell the general public. [32] Maintaining Secrecy and Witness Credibility The uncertainty over the motivations and behavior of the Grey extraterrestrials appears to have played a large role in the government decision not to disclose the extraterrestrial presence and the treaty Eisenhower signed with them. The following passage from an ‘alleged official document’ leaked to UFO researchers describes the official secrecy policy adopted in April 1954, two months after Eisenhower had ‘First Contact’ with extraterrestrials who were spurned by the Eisenhower administration: Any encounter with entities known to be of extraterrestrial origin is to be considered to be a matter of national security and therefore classified TOP SECRET. Under no circumstances is the general public or the public press to learn of the existence of these entities. The official government policy is that such creatures do not exist, and that no agency of the federal government is now engaged in any study of extraterrestrials or their artifacts. Any deviation from this stated policy is absolutely forbidden. [33] Penalties for disclosing classified information concerning extraterrestrials are quite severe. In December 1953, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued Army-Navy-Air Force publication 146 that made the unauthorized release of information concerning UFOs a crime under the Espionage Act, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. [34] According to Robert Dean, this draconian penalty is what prevents most former military servicemen from coming forward to disclose information. [35] The strategies for dealing with those former servicemen, corporate employees or witnesses brave or ‘foolish’ enough to come forward to reveal classified information is to intimidate, silence, eliminate or discredit these individuals. This policy involves such strategies as removing all public records of former military service men or corporate employees, forcing individuals to make retractions, deliberately distorting statements of individuals, or discrediting individuals. Bob Lazar, for example, claimed to be a former physicist employed with reverse engineering extraterrestrial craft. He described the disappearance of all his university and public records indicating how military-intelligence agencies actively discredit whistleblowers. [36] In the cases of the witnesses cited so far, Cooper, Schneider, Lear, Wolf, all have been subjected to some or all of these strategies thereby making it difficult to reach firm conclusions about their testimonies. Since the creation of controversy, uncertainty, and confusion is the modus operandi of military-intelligence agencies in maintaining secrecy of the extraterrestrial presence, then the testimonies of former officials/employees/witnesses need to be considered on their merits. While issues of credibility, credentials, disinformation are important in the study of the extraterrestrial presence, a rigorous methodology for dealing with the efforts of military-intelligence agencies to discredit, intimidate or create controversy around particular witnesses, has yet to be developed. For example, numerous efforts to discredit Cooper in particular by referring to inconsistencies in his statements, retractions, egregious behavior and stated positions, may be due in part or in whole to the policy of military-intelligence officials to discredit and/or intimidate Cooper from leaking classified information that he may very well have witnessed in his official capacities. Since Cooper’s military record does indicate he did serve in an official capacity on the briefing team of the Commander of the Pacific Fleet, it is most likely that much of his testimony is credible. Whatever inaccuracies exist in terms of his recollections of the timing of meetings between the Eisenhower administration and extraterrestrials may either have been due to memory lapses or perhaps deliberately introduced as a self-protective mechanism. It has been pointed out by some ‘whistleblowers’ that making retractions or sowing inaccuracies in testimonies is sometimes essential in disseminating information without being physically harmed. [37] The controversial Cooper had been subjected to undoubtedly the longest and most intense military-intelligence efforts to discredit or intimidate any whistleblower revealing classified information. The non-disclosure policy developed for the extraterrestrial presence is most likely due to a profound policy dilemma on the part of responsible national security officials. This dilemma comes from uncertainty over what the true benefits of the purported 1954 treaty were, and what the consequences of the treaty would be. While the signing of the treaty provided US national security agencies an opportunity to study extraterrestrial technologies, and to observe the extraterrestrial biological program with abducted civilians, it appeared the treaty was not as beneficial as was first thought due to excessive abductions of US civilians. The subsequent behavior of the Greys in their interactions with US national security agencies was the most likely reason for deferring a decision to release news of the treaty and the extraterrestrial presence to the global public. According to Lights’ testimony, Eisenhower had indicated to those present on February 20-21, 1954, that an announcement would be made soon after the First Contact event. Since this didn’t occur, and a treaty was eventually signed with a different group of extraterrestrials, the Greys, this suggested that the national security agencies were deeply divided over the wisdom of disclosing this information, and alarmed by the possible public reaction to the Grey activities. At his farewell speech in 1961, President Eisenhower was possibly alluding to the growing power of national security agencies that dealt with the extraterrestrial presence and were gaining great power as a result of the dilemma over what to do with the extraterrestrial presence: In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. If the President was dissatisfied with the non-disclosure of the extraterrestrial presence, then his speech was indicating that the responsible national security agencies were both dominating public policy and taking a ‘hard-line approach’ that was inconsistent with American democratic ideals. In the subsequent decades, it appears that on a number of occasions, official disclosure was seriously contemplated. For example, Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler claimed they were approached by the Pentagon in 1972 to produce an officially sanctioned video that would be used for official public disclosure of the extraterrestrial presence. When the offer was later withdrawn, the reason given was that the time was no longer suitable due to the Watergate Scandal. While it is undoubtedly true that political factors would impact on making a formal disclosure announcement, it is more likely the case that non-disclosure was caused by lack of clarity over what the true motivations of the extraterrestrials were, and the impact an announcement would have on extraterrestrial activities. Making any announcement of the extraterrestrial presence would naturally have lead to questions concerning the extraterrestrials’ motivations and activities. If officials couldn’t agree on appropriate answers, they most likely decided that it was better to defer disclosure rather than threaten national security by making inaccurate announcements. The precise nature of the extraterrestrial abductions and the medical programs implemented by the Greys has been extensively researched and discussed by a number of UFO researchers. Their conclusions vary widely suggesting that the deep disagreement among private UFO researchers over the motivations and activities of the Greys, very likely mirrors that of official government sources. [38] As long as such uncertainty continues, it appears that disclosure may continue to be deferred until key global events no longer makes the non-disclosure policy viable. Conclusion An examination of the evidence presented in this paper in terms of whistleblower or witness testimonies raises tremendous problems in terms of coming to a conclusive opinion over: first, the truth of the alleged ‘First Contact’ meeting between Eisenhower and extraterrestrials; second, claims of more than one set of extraterrestrials meeting with the Eisenhower administration; and third, the various policy issues that arise from the meetings and subsequent treaty that was allegedly signed. Most perplexing is how to view the testimonies of whistleblowers who appear sincere, positively motivated and have plausible stories, yet are plagued by controversy, allegations of fraud, inconsistency and other irregularities. Due to the official secrecy policy adopted towards the extraterrestrial presence, it may be concluded that some if not most of the controversy surrounding these individuals has been caused by military-intelligence agencies intent on discrediting whistleblower or witness testimonies. While there continues to be uncertainty caused by the controversy surrounding whistleblower testimonies and the role of military-intelligence agencies in generating this controversy, the bulk of evidence points to a ‘First Contact’ meeting having occurred during Eisenhower’s Palm Spring vacation on February 20-21, 1954. The testimonies suggest that the extraterrestrials in the First Contact event, a race of tall ‘Nordic’ extraterrestrials were spurned due to their reluctance to provide advanced technology in an agreement. A subsequent meeting and treaty was then signed with a different set of extraterrestrials, commonly called Greys, who did not have the same reluctance in exchanging extraterrestrial technology as part of an agreement. Most of the available evidence that has found its way into the public arena suggests that the extraterrestrial race with whom the treaty was signed, the Greys, are at best an enigma and at worst simply untrustworthy in their treatment of abducted civilians. The subsequent shift in witness reports from friendly extraterrestrial ‘contacts’ to disturbing ‘abductions’, suggest that the Eisenhower administration had signed a treaty with extraterrestrials whose motivations and activities are an enigma as far as the general public interest is concerned. The activities of the Grey extraterrestrials apparently continues to raise uncertainty for US national security agencies in terms of an appropriate strategic response. [39] On the contrary, the friendly Nordic ‘space brothers’ faded from the scene since the Eisenhower administration saw them as not sufficiently motivated to serve the technological and strategic goals of US national security agencies. The question of when disclosure of the treaty signed by Eisenhower and of the extraterrestrial presence might occur is one that has long been anticipated. A recent economic event might be a signal that some form of disclosure is possible in the near future. According to Craig Copetas, Bloomberg News correspondent in Paris, the World Economic Forum at Davos Switzerland from January 21-25, 2004, discussed extraterrestrials at one or more closed sessions. In a story published on January 21, Copetas claimed that "forum officials maintain their five-day program on Partnering for Security and Prosperity requires an unambiguous examination of extraterrestrial presence on Earth.” [40] The Davos Forum is a gauge for trends in the global economy and discusses various topics that have a long term effect on business. The inclusion of conspiracy theories of an extraterrestrial presence and technologies on the formal agenda has significance well beyond the hypothetical nature of the discussion. Various national governments may well be tacitly letting the word out to their ‘friends in the business community’, that they had better start exploring how a future disclosure of an extraterrestrial presence and technologies will influence the business world. Given the discussion at Davos on January 21, 2004, of a possible extraterrestrial presence, and the forthcoming 50th anniversary of Eisenhower’s treaty on February 20-21, it might be speculated that a disclosure announcement may soon be made. As we approach the 50th anniversary of a First Contact meeting between the US and an extraterrestrial race, we must do so with wonder at the awesome nature of this occasion. At the same time, we must do whatever necessary to make public the full details of the meeting, and the apparent spurning of what appears to be a principled extraterrestrial race that rejected technology transfers while dangerous weapons programs were in place in the US and elsewhere on the planet. The subsequent signing of a treaty at a later date with an extraterrestrial race willing to trade technology in exchange for ‘limited medical experiments’ with civilians will surely go down in history as a deeply significant event whose effects continues to reverberate through human society. Finally, we must be alert to the mounting evidence that while a treaty was signed after the 1954 ‘First Contact’ event, it may well have been with the ‘wrong extraterrestrials’, and that this might adversely impact on humanity if not dealt with in an open, transparent and truthful manner. We live on the verge of a bold new future with many uncertainties over the secrecy surrounding the extraterrestrial presence, what best prepares us as this information enters into the public arena are our faith, democratic values, and dedication to truth. **************** interesting |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jul 9 2005, 09:10 AM |
| MagIndi, your last 2 posts really deserve their own threads. Will you please provide a source link for your last 2 posts. Thank you. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 9 2005, 06:53 PM |
| http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:uAHgUJJK1XgJ:www.jerrypippin.com/UFO_Files_michael_salla.htm+queensland+ufos&hl=en theres the link via google cached page to Dr M Salla's page with "Eisenhower’s 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials: The Fiftieth Anniversary of First Contact? " the United Nations Charter is at http://evatt.labor.net.au/about_evatt/ peace man |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 10 2005, 10:14 PM |
| to note the previous posts on filers files were corrected by george in the next edition wich is credit to him for at least making good to the phenomena ,its not about the personal as much as it is the phenomena for me,the personal sucks mostly lol but if the phenomena is treated right ill lose what i have left with lil regret ,such is the way it appears most truth seekers have had to face at sometime along the path. also pupp within the last 2 links ull find mention of the coincidental factor that since the meeting of Eisenhower's that history somewhere changed from all cultural stories going from our star friends,to this evil enemy.............withoutdoubt were being geared to resist a change we all signed up for in spirit when it comes,an taught to fight the event thats here to aid in enlightenment /advancement,or at least offer the potential of the positive attributes/events we all seek. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 11 2005, 05:27 AM |
 may take this down at some stage but this is the final edit dvd cover as it stands ,hoping it will be ready to any one interested in getting one by the end of this month.its got some good stuff in it an i hope does the phenomena some justice ,maybe even god forbid validate the phenomena in the country its happening in !!lol,peace all |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 11 2005, 09:49 PM |
| heres something to try an show the difficulty of getting an aussie "investigator"<coff> to write a single report!!!below is a list from google of the Current advertising "investigators"......i post this list now.....i have written to many of them before but after this list is posted i will archive every mail from number 1 on the list to the last name,posting the same mail,leaving each prior addy an addy remaining on the mails to let them know how many an who im contacting,.....let us see if ONE fookin report can be written from an aussie "investigator" after this experiment .....we will all see.peace ************paste*********** UFOINFO Logo UFO ORGANIZATIONS - Australia - Flag of Australia Additions and corrections can be sent via the Submissions page. ACERN Queensland (Australian Close Encounters Resource Network) If you have had a close encounter (CE4) please write to: ACERN Queensland P.O Box 805 Springwood Qld 4127 Australia Anomalous Light and Energy Research Team (ALERT) P.O Box 385 Petersham Sydney NSW 2141 Anomaly Research Centre Mark Moravec 104 Howitt Street Ballarat VIC 3350 ASPR/UFORUM (WA) Australasian Society for Psychical Research and UFORUM Brian Richards PO BOX 2001 Kardinya WA 6163 Phone: (08) 9337 1638 UFORUM collects sightings reports from all over W.Australia and holds bi-monthly public meetings through ASPR often with prominent speakers in attendance. The ASPR Journal of Alternative Realities is produced once or twice a year. E-mail: brianr@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amilani/ufo.html AUFORN Director for the Northern Territory Box 3205 Alice Springs Northern Territory 0871 Phone: 08 89533023 Now 4 years into the UFO research for the NT (although following it for 30 years), I am known as UFORAS. I have given 3 lectures. Radio, TV, papers, phone talks, 6 times each. I send my articles to 5 Magazines in Australia. I am only 20 klms from Pine Gap, where many sightings and incidents happen, also many pass overs by objects over Alice and Pine Gap. Although the best spot is actualy 12 klms North West of Pine Gap, UFO activity is all over the N/T and keeps me busy. There are other people into this, but I am the one that gets all the reports. I am in the phone book and I do a bit of field work and follow up stories. My contacts are all over the Northern Territories, and some good ones behind Pine Gap. I believe in sharing the information for a better picture world wide. Also I have been investigated by Pine Gap, only in my first 3 weeks into my UFO research. Note I did not do any thing, they found me. My area has all the happenings that goes on any where else, from hoaxes to landings to helicopters etc. E-mail: tktdouglass@bigpond.com AUFORN Victoria State Director: George Simpson Fax: +61 (0)3 9774 2328 E-Mail: aufornvic@optusnet.com.au Australian Centre for UFO Studies (ACUFOS) P.O. Box 172 Mt Ommaney Qld 4074 Australia Phone/Fax: (07) 3376 1780 E-mail: gottscha@in.com.au Australian Combined Research into UFOs 40/2 Coomera Landing Koala Town Drive Coomera QLD 4210 Phone: 07 5573 7179 Australian International UFO Flying Saucer Research (AIUFOFSR) Colin Norris GPO Box 2004 Adelaide SA 5001 Phone: 08 8272 3131 Australian UFO Research Association (AURA) PO Box 786 North Adelaide South Australia 5006 Phone: Australia 041 141 75 94 AURA is leading an Australian project-Disclosure Australia - looking at original UFO files held by the Australian Government. It publishes material it finds at: http://disclosure.freewebpage.org E-mail: disclosureaustralia@yahoo.com.au Web: http://aura.freewebpage.org Australian UFO Research Network (AUFORN) E-mail: ufologist@powerup.com.au Sighting Report Form: http://www.hypermax.net.au/~auforn/Report_Form.html Web: http://www.hypermax.net.au/~auforn/ Independent Network of UFO Researchers (INUFOR) Moira McGhee PO Box 783, Kogarah, NSW 2217 Phone: O2 9553 9406 Ipswich UFO Group Rita Hayden 8 Gilmore Street Ipswich QLD 4305 Phone: 07 3202 2524 Lightning Ridge Ufowatch Bruce Cuming PO Box 240 Lightning Ridge NSW 2834 Phone: 068 290 648 MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) Continental Director Australia & New Zealand, Rev. Glennys Mackay J.P. P.O. Box 2183 Mansfield Brisbane QLD 4122 Phone: 61-7 3849-6450 E-mail: glenmack@thehub.com.au P.R.I.S.M. International (Paranormal Research Investigation Services and Monitoring) PO Box 213 Brooklyn Park 5032 Australia Phone: 08 8152 0535 (within Australia), + (61) (08) 8152 0535 (outside Australia) Fax: 08 84436295 (within Australia), + (61) (08) 84436295 (outside Australia) E-mail: prismresearcher@hotmail.com Web: http://www.go.to/prism Paradox PO Box 255 Nowra NSW 2541 Phone: 044 23 5463 Phenomena Research Australia John Auchettl P.O. Box 523 Mulgrave VIC 3170 E-mail: Praufo@aol.com Web: http://members.aol.com/praufo/PRA1/Pra1.htm Queensland UFO Network Glennys Mackay PO Box 2183 Mansfield MC Brisbane QLD 4122 Phone: 07 3849 6450 E-mail: glenmack@thehub.com.au South Australian UFO Research Institute 30 Winnall St Clapham SA 5062 Mobile: 015 711-768 E-mail: asius@mindless.com Tasmanian UFO Investigation Centre (TUFOIC) Keith Roberts P.O. Box 174 South Hobart Tasmania 7004 Phone: 61+ 3 6223 6009 E-mail: tufoic@hotmail.com UFO Abductions and Contacts Paul Bonet PO Box 178 Wentworthville NSW 2145 Phone: 02 9671 6868 UFO Abduction and Experiencers Support Group Experiencers (abductees) often feel a profound sense of isolation in society and at home due to the disbelief and criticism from family and friends and often begin questioning their own sanity. Our group has been running for 12 years in a safe supporting environment. We get together monthly in sharing our experiences, information and friendship. Also for those interested in doing private hypnotherapy to help recall memories, that can be arranged. Brenda Butler, Victoria, Australia (Not to be confused with Brenda Butler UK researcher ) E-mail: brendabeee@hotmail.com UFO Data Collection Centre/UFORUM 36 Loris Way Kardinya W. Australia 6163 UFO Experience Support Association (UFOESA) PO Box 191 Regents Park NSW 2143 Mobile: 0412 649428 Contact Person: Peter Khoury UFOESA is a non-profit voluntary organization dedicated to helping witnesses and experiencers of UFO events to cope with and understand their encounters. We consist of a number of professionals amongst whom are Counsellors, Hypnotherapists, Psychologists, Doctor, Physicist and other professionals. During his visit to Australia in February 1996 Professor John E Mack appointed Peter Khoury Australian representative for (PEER) Programme for Extraordinary Experience Research at Harvard Medical School U.S.A. Peter was also invited to Japan in February 1996 as the main speaker to discuss his own UFO Abduction experiences. Peter Khoury is the president of the organisation and is an Abductee who can relate to those who have had experiences. UFOESA has a public education programme and holds regular public meetings with such speakers as Professor John E.Mack, Jenny Randles, Bill Chalker, Kelly Cahill (Australian Abductee), Retired naval Pilot Shamus O'Farrell, UFOESA President Peter Khoury and many local UFO researchers and experiencers. We also hold confidential Support group meetings for people who have had UFO related Experiences and have recently started publishing a Newsletter. E-mail: pkufoesa@ufoesa.com Web: www.ufoesa.com UFO Hotline Sightings & Abduction Research Carlo Riva 12/149 Traveston Rd MS 624 Gympie QLD 4570 Phone: O75485211 UFO Investigation Centre (UFOIC) Bill Chalker PO Box 42 W Pennant Hills NSW 2125 Phone: 02 9484 4680 Co-ordinator: Bill Chalker, author of "The Oz Files - the Australian UFO Story" (1996) See the following web link at Project 1947 for some of Bill Chalker's research work: http://www.project1947.com/new.htm#forum Bill is co-host of the Banana TV UFO Show with Doug Moffett. E-mail: bill_c@bigpond.com Web: http://www.theozfiles.com Web: http://www.bananatv.com Banana TV UFO Show UFO Investigation Centre Queensland (UFOICQ) Robert Frola PO Box 805 Springwood Queensland 4127 Phone: 61.7 3245 1350 (Membership, Sighting Reports & Enquiries) Phone: 61.7 3808 8493 (Editorial) E-mail: ufoicq@powerup.com.au Web: http://www.powerup.com.au/~ufoicq/ UFO Research & Investigation Canberra PO Box 382 Woden ACT 2606 UFO Research (Far North Queensland) Russell Boundy PO Box 1585 Cairns QLD 4870 UFO Research New South Wales Bryan Dickeson PO Box Q95 Queen Victoria Building Sydney NSW 2000 Phone: O296522731 Web: http://www.ufor.asn.au UFO Research Queensland PO Box 222 50 Albert Street Brisbane Queensland 4002 Phone/Fax: (07) 3376 1780 UFORQ is a non profit organisation conducting investigations in the state of Queensland, Australia. We publish a bi-monthly journal, UFO ENCOUNTER, the subscription rates are $20.00 domestic, $30.00 AUD international. Our monthly meetings are open to the public. E-mail: uforq@briz.net Web: http://www.uforq.asn.au/ UFO Research Queensland (GYMPIE) PO Box 25 Pomona QLD 4568 Phone: O7 5485 1396 UFO Research (South Australia) Alan Jones PO Box 281 Blair Athol SA 5084 Phone: 08 8285 6840 UFO Research Sunshine Coast Jeffrey Spiro 11 Kulanda Street Wurtulla QLD 4575 Phone: O754933102 UFO Society Western Sydney Affiliated with AUFORN Phone: 1800 77 22 88 Mobile: 0410696174 E-mail: ufosociety@hotmail.com UFORAS (UFO Research Alice Springs) PO Box 3205 Alice Springs Northern Territory 0871 Phone:(08) 89533023 Contact person is Keith Douglass who is the Director for the Northern Territory AUFORN of Queensland Aust. He has been a researcher for 3½ years, although he has been into this for 40 years, since he was 10 years old. E-mail: douglass@asiaonline.net.au UFORUM See ASPR/UFORUM Victorian UFO Research Society (VUFORS) Paul Norman PO Box 1043 Moorabbin Victoria 3189 Phone: (03) 9506 7080 E-mail: vufors@ozemail.com.au Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~vufors WA Support Group Eileen Sanders PO Box 217 Melville WA 6156 Phone: 09 3379408 E-mail: mrc@wantree.com.au WAPPIG (West Australian Paranormal Phenomena Investigation Group) P.O Box 100 Maddington WA 6109 Currently interested in receiving any reports of UFO sightings in the West Australian region, especially the Perth Metropolitan area. Investigation and data collection is the aim of the group, to establish a database of UFO activity in West Australia in recent times. Warnambool UFO Group PO Box 1194 Warnambool VIC 3280 Warrnambool UFO Investigations Unit 6/34 Queens Road Warrnambool 3280 Phone: 0401362231 Warrnambool UFO Investigations now has a newsletter called Dark Matters. Contact WUFOI Chairman Jason kevin Groves for more information. We will also have a web site very soon. E-mail: darkmatters@hotmail.com Top UFOINFO http://www.ufoinfo.com/organizations/org_oz.shtml *************end paste********* lets watch together good people the stats as i post ,any replies at all,or any actual reports!!!!!!!........i doubt it but maybe by advertising the fact of there inability to do the jobs they "advertise" as it may push things along a lil,ive found most dont mind screwing you as long as they think noone else in there field knows it!!!!!!!!!!!! ps some in this list like the biggest "support group" travelled japan etc ,actually make me nearly sick,not only were they non supportive ,but critical of facts they never even got to know ,or have had any exp with!!lets see with this lil experiment over time just what happens eh... |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 11 2005, 09:59 PM |
| lol the above post barely seated in before two "test mails"were bounced back to me....this will be interesting to show just how Hard it is to get phenomena out in australia,lets not forget MUFON is funded to some proportion !!!lets not blame the volunteer status on everything!!!!!!!!! |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 12 2005, 06:43 AM |
| life on the "star-ship" that we call planet Earth |
| Posted by: Visiting PuPPs Fan Jul 13 2005, 12:24 AM |
| The joys of participating in "Project Human" hey? MagIndi, I think that this is website the only forum, place or authority I would truly turn to with information of my own or to gain information from others. I have joined one other ufo group but they are still stuck on working out whether ufos exist or not and that doesn't help me when I'm paralysed and being manipulated by invisible assailants. I don't trust support groups or intell gathering bodies one iota. I never go to ufo expos - you don't know who set the expo up and guarranteed the security cameras are doing overtime and every mobile phone that passes through the place has had a chat to a machine they don't tell you about. There is no such thing as 'in confidence' and groups that focus on one tiny facet of reality and get their members all embroiled and enturbulated about one part of life tend to turn into 'energy farms' for the organisers. PuPPs place is balanced and you know that when people are not obliged to agree with everything you are going to hear more truth. (End Babble) My point is, collection agencies don't appreciate what they receive because it is all handed to them. Seekers never get to hear about any information they collect because they want to have some kind of monopoly or intellectual property crap on it all. (Second Attempt End Babble) My point is (the real point this time), everyone here appreciates your work and acknowledges that you are one truly talented and sensitive person MagIndi. (Yay, I did End Babble!) BTW MagIndi, I may to have to join up here one day. I am in serious danger of being vanished. Apart from the double murder case my friend and I have been pushing along, I have 'visitor' issues too. When I hurt my neck about a month ago (serious muscle strain to base of skull and neck whilst driving to/from doctor - bastard of a day) I had some x-rays taken. Two of them showed a dense matter ring shaped object somewhere just above my collar bone. It wasn't a mistake because it didn't appear on the pictures of other areas on my neck and when they turned me around to take a picture of the other side of my lower neck the ring shaped object is in the correct position for me having been turned around. I swear I didn't swallow any jewellery  and they made me take off all my necklaces before the x-rays were taken and I don't wear earrings. I haven't had anything inserted in me by any doctor either. I'll take some photo copies of the pics and see if I can post them for you. I need some photocopies of them anyway because I really don't want them going missing.(Really Really attempting to End Babble). Peace MagIndi |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 13 2005, 12:43 AM |
 ill reply better soon hun,just puttin the boy to bed,joy when ufos start there run too...not lol as you can see from webstats the military for all there bullsh*t seem very interested in ufos,jumping from number 16 yesterday to 6....hits going from an average 1100 to 10,000 overnight LOL...........my sites nuffin but ufos!! i cant see it being that lonely soldier in his off-time in iraq just dialling up for fun to check out there personal interests in ufos will post a better reply later hun,peace ps its interestinng to note the "old countries"interest from the very begining,romania,lithuania,croatia,etc etc... |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 15 2005, 07:32 PM |
| those pics sound interesting PuPPs Visitor ,the double murder thing whoah sounds heavy too.....HEYYYYYY PUPPPPPPPP "throws a pebble at his love shack" lmao did you see the addies i posted for you giving the links to the formal treaties yet??check the Greada Treaty out if so ,it gets even weirder,peace all |
| Posted by: Visiting PuPPs Fan Jul 15 2005, 07:58 PM |
Hi there MagIndi  I'd like to check out that Greada Treaty. Is that what the U.S. governement signed with the greys? Spooky stuff. Yeah, its all been really heavy for at least five years around here. Big public safety issue, people have to know and 'they' can't keep the media ban on forever. At long last the suits are demanding answers from the decorations. It will all come out soon, then maybe we can get on with our damaged injured lives (for the next so many years until the bad guys get out and hunt us down) and others can watch out so that it doesn't happen to them. Note to anyone who wants answers from the government (my friend found this out) write to the opposition leader, or nothing will be done. I'm going to try to get some photocopies of those x-rays tomorrow so that I can post them. It is really wierd thinking about that thing,  , I thought it was only strained muscles hurting me until I saw the x-rays. I'll try to get the edges in where it indicates left and right.So weird and yet just another day in the life of Visiting *hands raised to the sky, screams "Serenity Now!"* (oh dear, is that another lump in the back of my skull?) . |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 15 2005, 10:29 PM |
lol@oppostion leader an yeap on the rest too hun,the treaty is one of the first the gov signed with the greys an holds some interesting details like oh,lettin em use us for experiments!! etc etc this pic above is of the day view from the cane field i filmed these earth lights in ,.a 1.6mb file can be downloaded at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/cropcircleorbvid2.WMV i hope some bother to click the link an check the vid to compare to the pic above,ill be surprised to see a comment back though lol,id like to be surprised though...... peace all ps err dont mind my usual swearing an overall payouts on the freaky gov types while filming ,remember ive just walked up to an earthlight the size of a car an got 30metres away from it lmao |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 15 2005, 10:36 PM |
| ive posted this one before but it matches the page theme as this is a still shot of one of the earthlights in the cane field mentioned above,no zoom,its that big cause i was that close,peace all. |
| Posted by: satchmo Jul 16 2005, 09:12 AM |
| Hi MagIndi, suprise,lol. Have perused most of your posts,although I dont say much.Thanks btw for keeping us informed and the excellant pics.Have you tried Kent at cyberspaceorbit or Rense, for helping in getting the word out? The above pics are difficult to discern as of the brightness,have you tried different filters for daytime filming? The link did not work for me,maybe because of dial-up? anyway error window came up,most of your links work though??? Heres a link to someone in Vancouver area that has been experiencing similar phenomena, and also has other tried methods of getting more ot of filming.Using a super 8 mm camera, she noticed only on single frames, that there were streaks of light/energy around and between the orbs(comunication?) Also has tried different cameras with similar results,so I was wondering if this would also work for you.Might be worth a try? http://www.ufobc.ca/Supernatural/StrangePhotos/spicer.htm Also ufobc may be worth contacting. Googling dorothy izatt will give lots more links also. Keep up the good work MagIndi, the truth needs to be told!!! satchmo. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 16 2005, 07:22 PM |
| *blinks* yay wow yayyyy lol a reply on material posted!! thankies satchmo........the picture above is takin from the dvd and the camera used that day was the guy from sydneys camera,maybe if i run it through some photo editor i can clear the brightness issues up a lil but the pics mainly to show theres not a thing in the paddock bar cane an a grove of trees ,the links a bit weird as it works for me but i run a program that lets me flick between netscape an explorer ,possibly if you try an open the link in a new page ,tab or window it should work ,if not ill ask PuPP if i can send it to him to post up for people ,its really worth it an a memorable experience for me as i was alone in a cane field walking up to these (i thought giant at the time)as they were the size of cars,since then ive had bigger (house size).. the rest of my links should work but i have difficulty at times because of the same "weirdos"that lock PuPP out ive had in my life 5 or so years an so sometimes things look fine my end but dont work for others,an having not a soul left to help after many so called friends who after declaring would gaurd the gate religously have now dissapeared into the mists of time.so im sorta the bloke that documents them,uploads them,makes the website,then,then,then,oh then theres my family lol,ill send the file to PuPP an if he ever gets outta his "love shack" he might be able to post up the link to show you the earth lights in the cane field (above pic)that night. i havent tried cyberspace orbit but rense ran like birds in a hail storm when james gilliland went to them for me with my material,it appears since he got some prophetic stuff right an now that theres 2 of us to back each others ufos ,hemispheres apart!!they want nothing to do with it.i also checked the link on the vid 8 stuff an youre right,ive experimented before breaking my digi footage down to the frame to see these threads of communication,sometimes movement but i cant begin to describe how broke we are,an having put the last of the resources into documenting im very limited to what i can do,i experimented with infared through a pentax an the film came out not as good as i thought but have a roll left i would like to try some last things with,as far as getting a vid 8 cam now well,my toothfairy seems to have gone awol lol ,an unlike others around the world supported in this with new high powered lenses an all the b/sh*t im left with a busted assed sony with the side ripped off an my jvc gdr70 currently !i wish i was able to have the latitude to experiment an feel id have got sooooooooo much more if did. ill also try the ufobc link too satchmo an thankies again ,the thing is here its like,,i coulld have a real life dinosaur in the back yard named Rex,be feeding it chuck steak by the truckload an people would go,oh thats a nice thing-ime-bob! lmao ,seriously its like if the day came i filmed them steppin out the craft ,the only place to bother posting it would be PuPPs!!! these supposed researchers have been a let down from the go-get!/start.thanks to ganesh an Pupp over the time of course but most all everyone else is gone ,even the ones we thought had class an were above it so the interest is appreciated satchmo as it keeps us going through this with posts like that to let us know someone is actually checking the material out! ps ill reset the link to the cane field an one other i recently took a week ago thats at ummm http://www.ufocasebook.com/australia070805video.html trust me its not venus as it hadnt even risen yet,lmao that an im camming it from a steep angle from deep inside a gorge,meaning the treeline you will see it pass behind isnt the horizon line its the treeline,draw the angles makes the object well into the sky an thergo cuts the theory of the object being a star rounding out its eliptical path an appearing to move faster .. the cane field link to the picture above on recheck from within the website still reads http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/cropcircleorbvid2.WMV its 1.6mb ,a short clipped version of the whole but welllll worth a look even with the pic above brightness issues its clear theres no human activity thats obvious to correlate. |
| Posted by: satchmo Jul 16 2005, 08:38 PM |
| Hi MagIndi, tried the link to cropcircle and got network error has occured,again! so I cant get it to play.Maybe cause of dial-up??? Running fairly new pc here and it should be able to handle it. Ah well thats life I guess,lol. I know what you mean about running on empty in the financial dept,lol, same boat here mate. Guess we just have to trudge on through and make the best of what we've got for now. Kinda strange that no one is interested in this phenomena,there seems to be lots of interest in the ufo's round the world, or maybe with the net theres an overload on the subject??? Or is it possible some don't like the truth to come out? Anyway whats set in motion is not going to stop no matter how hard the tptb try,lol. They cant stop nature,no matter how hard they try. Better days coming, not too far off in the distance, satchmo. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 16 2005, 09:04 PM |
| http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/CropCircleOrb.html is a link where ive placed the file into an inline video that will play on the page after buffering,it shouldnt be the dial up as the files only 1.6mb but im mailing PuPP the vid as i write this post an hopefully he can post it on the forum today for you to get a look at,its really worth a look,ive never seen anything like it posted before on earthlights that is anyways, yeap on the keep on keepin on business an it is going to happen wether or not those that oppose like it or not,i think theyre just busying themselves making the best of the exploits to come lol......peace Satchmo an thanks again |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jul 16 2005, 11:00 PM |
| UFOs are merely swamp gas, the planet Venus, weather balloons or a flock of geese... "Whatcha talkin bout willis?" Actually, today, we LIVE in the alien races society. A destructive, all consuming, wasteful society that is doomed and I just can't wait for the rewards. "As we sow, so shall we reap." Hoy MagIndi, remember, I cannot view or play .WMV files on my ancient pc. satchmo, I'm glad you took an interest in what MagIndi has to offer. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 16 2005, 11:12 PM |
| i know you cant view the file i sent PuPP but was hopin you could host/post the link long enough for Satchmo to get a peek at it as its obviously not happening from my end of things,id send more files your way in the config i know you need but they end up being just too damn big really,most of the avi files direct from upload are into the 25-250meg range,its through converting them down over a 4 step process i get them to be in a downloadable form for peasants like us on dial up lol,peace ps for instance the file at http://www.ufocasebook.com/australia070805video.html is 1mb now but was 32mb in the form id need to send you so it can be viewed,its just too big for both of us to send or recieve lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 17 2005, 07:16 AM |
| i was waiting to see if a new thread was gonna be made but it doesnt look it so i post this in a continuation of the treaties ive posted recently,the greada treaty was a cute piece of work on the public,a deal was cut an it apears our loved gov got there asses screwed with the deal an now we still pay the price in the "trade off" links are included but a google on the subject just keeps on leading to weirder an weirder stuff Population "Control", New World Order Style By Ken Adachi <Editor@educate-yourself.org> http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwopopcontrol.shtml The Illuminati's idea of Population Control falls into two broad categories: 1. Limiting the size of human societies and monitoring/controlling the movement of individuals within that society, and 2. Intentionally reducing the bulk of the world's population through GENOCIDE via the introduction of population slaughter, orchestrated conflicts, and lethal bioengineered disease organisms introduced via vaccines and other means of external transmission. The Illuminati's current plan to reduce the world's population was set into motion at a 1957 symposium on future world development. The astonishing 'conclusion' of this seemingly benign symposium was that over-population and excessive exploitation of the environment would result in the self- destruction of the earth by the year 2,000 or shortly thereafter (Note:Illuminti front organizations for New World Order propaganda, like Cornell University, continue to "illuminate" us, to this very day, with this over-population point of view). President Eisenhower secretly commissioned a group of scholars, known as The JASON Society to review the conclusions of the '57 symposium. The members of the JASON Society are in fact part of a secretive Illuminati group known as the Order of the Quest. The same individuals who formed the JASON Society were also key members on the Council on Foreign Relations known as the Wise Men. (1) Not surprisingly, the Jason Society agreed with the symposium's conclusions and drafted three proposals for Eisenhower's consideration. The three proposals were labeled Alternative 1, Alternative 2, and Alternative 3. Eisenhower rejected Atlernative 1 because it involved the use of nuclear weapons. However, Eisenhower did approve the implementation of Alternative 2 and Alternative 3 (as did the Soviet Union). (1) Alternative 2 In order to preserve the 'best' of humanity when the supposed 'self-destruction' of the earth takes place around the year 2,000, the JASON Society proposed that a vast network of underground cities be built in order to secure living quarters for the chosen Illuminati elite, high level cooperative politicians, and selected military elements. Underground cities are also co-habitated by extraterrestrial alien groups that the secret government has made treaties with for technology exchange and human-alien hybrid breeding programs. The idea of the earth 'self destructing' around the turn of the century due to overpopulation was perhaps an early cover story for the justification of the underground cities. In the 1950's and 60's, the American public was led to believe that the contiuance of government, in the event of worldwide nuclear war, was a logical reason for undeground facilities, but we now know that the entire Soviet/American cold war and MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) scenario was an orchestrated Illuminati deception to bleed both Russian and American citizens of their wealth in order to finance black budget operations, secret technology developments, underground city construction, genetic engineering projects, time & space travel research, and anti-gravity, flying saucer spacecraft development. Another possible reason may have to do with information that the Illuminati obtained from aliens in 1947, following the Roswell crash. The aliens may have warned the secret government of the inbound trajectory of a huge planet named Nibiru, causing earthquakes, volcanoes, tidal waves, and earth movements of cataclysmic and Bibrical proportions. The American public, kept in the dark about these inderground construction plans, would have to fend for themselves on the surface when the Bad Times came (it's also possible that the inbound Nibiru/cataclysm scenario is (was) a disinformation ploy ). Based on 1989 information, it was claimed that there were at least 75 underground cities in existence below the soil of America interconnected by high speed, frictionless trains called Maglev trains (Magnetic Levitation). The former Atomic Energy Commission had also constructed 22 seperate underground cities for their own use.(1) [Update: In 1995, Phil Schneider said that there were 129 underground cities and in May of 2001, Stewart Swerdlow, former mind controlled "Montauk Boy" , claimed that there now exists 133 underground cities in North America. Al Bielek also claims that there are many hundreds of underground cities and bases built worldwide] Alternative 3 Due to the access to certain alien technologies-including interplanetary space flights-which became available to the American government as a result of the Greada treaty signed by President Eisenhower and aliens in 1954, the JASON Society proposed that operational bases should be set up on the Moon and Mars -which would alsoprovide a safe sanctuary for the highest of the elites when the 'self-destruction' of the earth was going to take place a little after the turn of the new century. Bases on the Moon and Mars have indeed been built and have been in operation since the late1950's.(1) All three Alternatives included recommendations for population "control". They included: 1. Birth control 2. Sterilization, and 3. The introduction of deadly microbes to reduce of otherwise slow the growth of the earth's population. Bioengineered Diseases AIDS, Ebola, Gulf War Illness (GWI), and many other "new" diseases were intentionally bioengineered in laboratories that are mostly found in the United States and include the Army's secretive facilities at Ft. Detrick Maryland (2.). Drs. Nancy and Garth Nicholson have done a great deal of research and investigation into the cause and treatment of Gulf War Illness, since they and their daughter (who was a helicopter flight nurse in the 1991 Gulf War) ALL came down with GWI. In 1996, the Nichols published a paper which states their deep suspicions that GWI is due to bioengineered pathogens and that a hidden population control agenda appears to be in place. Some bioengineered pathogens were designed to target certain ethnic groups for elimination. These groups likely include blacks, hispanics, Black Africans, Native Americans, and homosexuals. The preferred Iluminati method to introduce disease is via vaccinations. Dr. Len Horowitz firmly established in his 1995 book, Emerging Viruses, that the HIV virus which causes AIDS was introduced and spread throughout the majority of black populations in Africa via the World Health Organization (WHO) during their mandatory smallpox vaccine campaigns of 1976-1980. The pathogens which produced Gulf War Illness were introduced to a limited number of Gulf War troops via "special" vaccinations (not recorded on the troop's official vaccination records) for Anthrax and other supposed dangers posed by Saddam Hussein. It was a CIA test run to see how many Gulf troops would succumb to the disease and how quickly they might die off. The results have been somewhat disappointing for the CIA/Illuminati planners. They thought their new little bugs would wipe out a lot more people, a lot faster than it has. Eventually, the US military has to be eliminated because they are seen as a threat by Illuminati planners when they kick in their plans to dissolve the United States and incorporate the former United States into the New, 10 Region States of America which will include Canada and Mexico. Retired Army flight nurse Joyce Riley presented damning Department of Defense classified "Secret"documentation to an audience at the Granada Forum in Tarzana, CA on July 1, 1999 which supported the contention that the military intentionally innoculated Gulf War troops with the pathogens that eventually caused Gulf War Illness as part of an insideous program directed by the CIA called MK Ultra. Domestically, the strategy is to make the public believe that bio attacks by foreign terrorists (like Osama bin Laden-who seems to be the government's latest incarnation of Hitler; he having replaced former title holders like Kadaffi, Hussein, and Milosevic for the honor) is inevitable and when it happens the government will say that they have tried to warn us all along. A similar tactic is being used by the government to accilimate the public to the notion that these new, bugs are showing up everywhere-birds in New York, wild deer and antelope in national parks, etc. and that they are being spread by international travel, etc. (same set of lies they used when AIDS started showing up in 1983-85). Starting in December of 1997, this administration of Illuminati puppets have been seeding stories into print and electronic outlets about the "growing fear" of Anthrax attack and the need to "protect" the troops. When it comes to the public, however, former CIA director John Deutch told CNN in July of '99 that the government wasn't prepared for that task, so further preparations need to be taken. I guess we're suppose to believe that the military's staging of mock battles in US cities is also part of the government's "protection" plans for us against those nasty foreign terrorists. [Update Sep 23, 2001] 9-11 Attack of America The staged and planned attacks of the World Trade Center and Pentagon buildings were deliberate acts orchestrated by Illuminati planners using naive arab dupes (the "terrorists") to pull off a suicide mission in which they were allowed, guided, and facilitated by hidden intelligence agents and operatives. They are using this orchestrated ruse to stampede the public into accepting Big Brother control and ID programs, along with the sweeping away of constitutional guarantees and liberties under the guise of anti-terrorists legislation. The dessimination of biowarfare agents in America to reduce population needed a convenient cover and the "terrorists" scenario provided it. I'm simply astonished at the gullibility of so many Americans in accepting this poorly covered up orchestration. The growing number of web sites and well written aritlces that are exposing the details of this deception-from the planted bombs in the WTC towers to the stand down of military air defence forces while the hyjacked planes were enroute-makes it abundantly clear that the attacks of Sept 11, 2001 were a ruse, a charade, a set up that even a child should recognize. ...To Be Continued This Page Last Updated: April 13, 2004 References: 1. Behold a Pale Horse (1991) by William Cooper 2. Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola: Nature, Accident, or Intentional? by Dr Leonard Horowitz *************** Lecture By Phil Schneider ................an insert from the whole report at abovetopsecret.com,the greada treaty permeates through so many things *************** The Fire Fight at Dulce: "Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had to give details about the people involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality, and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was involved in building an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with the particular rock. As I was headed down there, we found outselves amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all of them got killed. We had surpised a whole underground base of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts. Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that. I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson, EG&G and other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of peculiar spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob Lazar's story? He was a physicist working at Area 51 trying to decipher the propulsion factor in some of these craft." PSS to note to anyone that actually watches the quantities of footage ive collected these types above are the ones ive come to call "freaks/freakies,an some times VooDoo" ,the ones that made an appearance 5 yrs ago at the same time we started noticing the ufos overhead,the same ones that lock me out of my site like Pupp,that have our phone tapped,have altered my home an business life,socially also they have effect over the ones we thought friends until the "VooDoo" slowly got to them also...these types an NOT the ufos(directly it at least appears) are the ones who i can say have made our lives living with this the nightmare it can be some days ,....admittedly i have to say even with them its not personal 95% of the time,wether percieved good or bad it time an time again feels as though a jobs goto be done or an old promise kept an we happen to be in the middle of it,that said there is the odd freak with a problem ,the type that REV VV the car by instead of the quiet swish thats normally associated with them there the ones id like to throttle some days as ive said this from day one,if its something "natural" or otherwordly/interdimensional, thats creating the phenomena that wakes my child nightly still to this day,we can live with that,just like in other places around the world ,people can become accustomed to the earth magic an live with/around/within it ......but if its some piece of crap with a finger on the button,OOOOo boy,then who the hell are they,do they have kids?are they stupid enough to think theyre out of the loop too?..these things the human /dad in me will rebel to my last breathe,words that i feel maybe close to the inevitable for me an others like me.....for ill never "allow" it without knowing just who,or what causes this too happen....but i know no "man" or any "being" has the right to affect others like we see here daily ...........an people ask me ,when will you stop the crusade,well maybe when the phenomena stops ,an the freaks back off,an my child can have a full nights sleep without external effects causing him to wake,what else can a dad do,its funny,how many have asked or hinted at this ,an yet if it was their child,would it be a question,i think not.....  above ,this mask,i carved/shaped,brought out the character within the timber, from what i have seen not with my inner eye,but to my nakid eye,this mask represents one genotype of our ancestors ,ancestors that go back to the first breathe of life shiva/god/the creator gave,seen in the giants of easter island ,the faces of the egyptian gods, the burial masks of their kings,the bloodlines within ALL humans now,black or white some call our types ,lightning rods,or prophets,others who in ignorance an "arrogance" "kick our pearls"preffering to critisize the petty such as grammar or age.............ill remain Magindi,inside knowing my task ,only slightly sad at what i could have passed on that wich was taught to me ,my job not the ambassador ,but wether or not any even bother to read this, i will say again ,the keepers of the seed of life will protect the ultimate goal,luckily for us,humanity has a part in that.Lemuria or Mu will return among many things,an the time an chance to reconsile with past good deeds and mistakes will again be replaced with the next wave,just like the wave on a beach retracts,giving space for the new.all has already been,an will be again. |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jul 17 2005, 01:27 PM | ||
Me too! It was a bit difficult to download and upload this video. (it took me several attempts) I wish I could see it! For satchmo: 1.6 MB .WMV file http://www.puppstheories.com/video/MagIndiCropcircleorbvid2.WMV |
| Posted by: satchmo Jul 17 2005, 02:04 PM |
| Thanks MagIndi, thanks Mark, that worked.Pretty wild,took a few minutes to download,but well worth the wait. satchmo. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 17 2005, 08:09 PM |
| thanks for taking the time PuPP an i wish you could see the vids too!!have for ages now,if there was a way to compress em without losing the format ud need i woulda done it to em all for ya man....im really glad you took the time Satchmo for watching it,as far as i know ,noones ever filmed them actually making the crop circles or documented them that closely at all in any situation,sorry bout the language but as you can imagine walki ng up to an earthlight the size of a car gets one a tad edgy lmao,peace im really glad you got to see it,thanks again PuPP ,one day u will see it dude,even if im pushing daisys up some where one day u will see the dvd an drive ,its a promise an addon PS....lmfao@me too!! are you like me waiting for the magic forum or web fairy to come an do it?lol some days i wish i had a web fairy to load my stuff ,the greada treaty i posted above leads to some funky,funky stuff guys . |
| Posted by: satchmo Jul 17 2005, 08:45 PM |
| Hi MagIndi, heres a link to the only orb I've ever seen by a cropcircle in UK, Wiltshire where most occur there. Filmed by Peter Sorensen flying over a c,circle in 2000. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/Sorensen/cerealogical/ballsoflight2000.html These are daylight pics/frames, any resemlance to your daylite orbs MagIndi? satchmo. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 17 2005, 09:23 PM |
| i checked the link an yep they look like the classic orbs,especially the ones if you notice with the black holes around them,lil spotches of black ,thats basically a cam /digital thing,meaning the object is frickin bright an DSP tech is used in all cameras nowadays to stop the frame rates going pixelated etc......unfortunately i never went into the field to see what was being made as it was dark an the canes 12ft high,id a been lost in a maze lol...an the daylight pics were takin when going back sometimes later,i just took it as a givin that what else where they doing there lol,im sure the farmer though would have a few stories to tell,it wasnt the first time id seen them in that paddock...peace an thanks again PuPP for takin the time to host the file. ps note still the diff between a single still pic capturing the object ,compared to them GOING OFF in front of me that night no holds barred lol |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 17 2005, 09:33 PM |
| http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/2003DayGlow/index.html is to a gallery of a daylight orb going off,even appearing to spit out an drip lil globs of itself |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 21 2005, 11:03 PM |
| Ancient Astronauts and Spaceship found in the Grand Canyon of Arizona? Flagstaff, Arizona, A team of experts called in to examine strange debris at the bottom of the Grand Canyon discovered the wreckage of a UFO that crashed 4,000 Years ago! GIANTS Burlington UFO and Paranormal Reseach Center Click here to go to UFO Crashes. 4,000 YEAR OLD UFO FOUND IN GRAND CANYON! BY LISA MERAKIS Flagstaff, Ariz. - A team of experts called in to examine strange debris at the bottom of the Grand Canyon discovered the wreckage of a UFO that crashed a mind boggling 4,000 years ago! The scientists, members of a highly secret joint military task force on UFOs, inspected the spherical craft and found it to be in good condition despite its rough landing and incredible age. The relic is made of an unknown metallic substance and emits low levels of radiation, according to leaks from highly placed sources. It was immediately removed from the site and is now in a secret location. My contacts tell me this craft is definitely of extraterrestrial origin and without a doubt carried a crew of 12 to 20 individuals, said Dr. Henry Leaumont, a California based astronomer who contacted this reporter after he was shown secret air Force documents relating to the find. Carbon dating shows it crash landed at the base of the canyon around 2,000 B.C. Cabin features suggest that the crew members were much like humans, although significantly smaller. They apparently breathed oxygen, guided their atom powered craft with a magnetic steering system and carried supplies of food and water on board. According to reports filed by the scientific team, the spacecraft was lodged in limestone rubble at the base of the canyon not far from an area called Comanche Point. A thorough inspection of the landing site revealed that the spacecraft's occupants left their ship and lived near it for a number of years after it crashed. The finding proves the existence of a space alien colony on this planet nearly 3,500 years before Columbus! This impression is confirmed by Indian cave paintings made at the time, the Air Force secret documents attest. The paintings, found near the crash site, show strange humanoid creatures with bulbous heads. Experts believe these creatures were the same aliens who arrived in the ancient UFO. The secret report said all traces of alien occupation disappeared within 50 years or so of the crash date. There is no indication of what might have happened to the extraterrestrials, the documents reveal. The ship is made of an extremely light metallic fiber, Dr. Leaumont said. It measurers about 50 feet across at its widest point and it is 102 feet long. It's an incredible find - the latest in a series of artifacts collected secretly and hidden away in government UFO study centers. There's a lot of official concern about keeping this latest discovery a secret. They've been covering up the truth about alien contacts for 50 years and they're not going to stop now. They want to study this thing, but they want it only for themselves. Who knows what scientists might learn if they'd share this priceless find with the rest of the world? Source: UFO BBS ufo crash CONTINUED ON NEXT PAGE |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 24 2005, 12:46 AM |
 just another ufo over home lol.the original is the most central pic,repasting various zoomed versions of it around the outside.peace |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 24 2005, 08:04 AM |
 another type over home ,very flat sometimes almost rectangular on its side. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 25 2005, 06:27 PM |
| lotta black choppers over head today as a side note but the dvd's arrived today with thanks to mike from strangenation who stuck with it an has helped allot in getting the phenomena out ,much appreciated for that an the fact that he stuck around unlike many!...i havent set up any ordering formal stuff yet but were gonna stick 40bucks on it an see how it goes,any interest for now from anyone that wants to see it just contact me an ill send it to whoever wants to see australias latest ufo activity ,thats documented on video an not just researchers waffling on over a single pic for an hr lol,peace ps its the un-cut version ,swear words an all for now for those that didnt want any edit bits,you see an hear it how it was takin on film. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 26 2005, 09:12 PM |
 right hand side above centre is a subtle but there orb,magnification shows its def no cloud ,just a mildy interesting one i thought i might post for any that find interest in orbs ps note the power lines. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 26 2005, 09:40 PM |
 the top right picture is from james at ECETI,the bottom larger is from home,putting for me the objects shape into a lil more perspective as it was one i hadnt seen until taking the picture an video of it flying by.peace |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 28 2005, 01:26 AM |
 a daytime delta/triangular craft over home |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 28 2005, 01:36 AM |
 couldnt resist this one,took it a while back,believe it or not theyre apart of the phenomena here,just lucky to be there and snap as this sweety took off the branch the pic below is a real pearler for any that see faces in things,usually represented in a "hemisphere left/right" fashion this one is diagonally aligned ,skin tone an all,its lying on its side in a crypt cut into a sheer vertical rock face   above image is another one,in the crevice of the rock,the lighter orange/yellow colour, for those that see shapes/contrast./faces,this one is up there for my favs,it stands about 1mtr high an is in a real heavy ufo activity area.below a pic of a rockskull/face i call starman as it looks like the heads tilted back gazing up to the stars .  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 28 2005, 02:13 AM |
 thought i better give people a ufo now ive posted some asst pics,you see it in the pic how it looked flying by ,the orb below the ring,,<--goes back to watching the tumbleweed float by silently in the thread,flips a coin an wonders if PuPP is getting more luck crack-whoring than i am lmao......<checks pockets> hell 20cents an hes beat me lol |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jul 28 2005, 06:44 PM | ||
Hoy Magindi, I gotz 92 cents in my checking acct and 91 cents in my pocket - I'm RICH - I'm RICH!!!
Do you have a source link???? THEY (one alien species) have been here for thousands of years and today THEY control our news medias, entertainment, governments, monetary systems and religious factions. THEY have the majority of people in the Western World under THEIR mind control via tv, movies, radio, music, news medias and EMF & ELF technologies. Who controls USA currency?  |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 29 2005, 03:33 AM |
| a delta shaped triangle craft vid takin as the title shows,much like the picture of the daytime ones above is found at http://www.asoulartphenomena.com/28july2005Delta.WMV its less than 1mb an really worth the bother to download for any that read through this thread ill check on the source link for ya PuPP on the stuff from a few posts back,for now check this lengthy but worth a read rave... **paste** AN INTERVIEW WITH STAR CHILD ROCKET SCIENTIST DAVID ADAIR I met David Adair about 12 years ago and was impressed with his honesty and humility. The interview below gives some idea about how this Star Child used his gifts. Thanks to Randy Kitchur for forwarding this excerpt from NEXUS magazine. Richard Boylan, Ph.D. E-mail: drboylan@sbcglobal.net Web site: www.drboylan.com ----------------------------------------- "However, I [David Adair] could tell this particular story because I was only 17 years old when that happened. According to constitutional law, the federal government is prohibited from signing a minor to a National Security Oath. Strom Thurman [sic] said to me one time, 'You're the biggest loose cannon on the deck, boy.'" Electromagnetic Fusion and ET Space Technology - An Interview with David Adair - Space technology consultant David Adair goes on the record about his extraordinary experiences at Area 51 when, as a mere teenager, he was testing one of his electromagnetic fusion engine prototypes. Excerpt from an interview with David Adair Web site: http://www.flyingsaucers.com/adair1.htm ROBERT STANLEY: Tell me about the government disclosure letter you are circulating. DAVID ADAIR: That letter is based on a series of events that occurred when I first testified for Dr Steven Greer in 1997. It's very simple what we want: a congressional hearing that will grant covert operatives total immunity from their national security oath. Dr Greer is telling us that he has hundreds of witnesses. I know he is not blowing smoke regarding this issue, because in 1971 I saw a lot of people working on these things. ROBERT: At Area 51? DAVID: Right. I saw them underground working on all these different craft and back-engineering lots of stuff. I believe there are people that have spent 30 years or more working on these types of projects. Imagine what they could tell us! But more importantly, they would be able to tell us who paid them, who signed the cheques. ROBERT: So you are pushing for public hearings? DAVID: Absolutely. I really want the world to hear what these hard-core engineers have to say. ROBERT: You told me in our pre-interview that this event would radically change our lives, that we could begin integrating some of the more advanced technologies into our infrastructure. DAVID: Exactly, but unravelling everything poses a problem. I know that while I was at Area 51 and was being taken through offices that were off to the side of the hangars and labs, they took me to a room and locked me in it. And that's where I stayed until General LeMay came and got me. But I saw a lot of people working down there as we were walking past these offices. ROBERT: Wait a minute. General Curtis LeMay personally came to get you out? DAVID: Yes. If you read his autobiographical book called Iron Eagle, he was a former commander of SAC [Strategic Air Command]. "General Curtis E. LeMay: retired February 1, 1965; died October 3, 1990. LeMay was the fifth Chief of Staff of the US Air Force." You will see, in the back of the book, he talks about his parents. They lived in Mount Vernon, Ohio. I lived in Mount Vernon, Ohio, when I built my first fusion rockets. I was on the cover of the local newspaper. ROBERT: How did that happen? DAVID: Well, because his parents' caregiver was my mother, Evangeline Adair. ROBERT: What a strange coincidence! DAVID: Yes, and that's how LeMay came to know me personally. And when our local congressman started funding my second rocket, that's when the Mount Vernon News got wind of the story. It was the fastest vehicle ever built on Earth. ROBERT: Is this a picture of the second rocket I'm looking at? DAVID: Yeah; there were all kinds of newspaper stories printed about me that I have saved. I was being funded by Congressman John Ashbrook. He was chairman of the Internal Security committees of Congress. That's a pretty powerful place to be. He was also on the Education and Labor committees, which is how he funded my work - through the Department of Education. Then when the Air Force showed up to inspect my second rocket, they were totally gung-ho for all the formulas and the prototype I built from scratch. They knew I was on to something, so they funded me through the NSF [National Science Foundation]. Then my mother got concerned because the government people were really getting involved in our lives. So she went and talked to General LeMay. Curtis really liked my mother a lot and he had seen the newspaper stories, so he came over to talk with me. Later he talked with Congressman Ashbrook. The next thing I know, LeMay told me: "David. I am going to be your buddy. I am going to be your project manager." And actually, that was the greatest thing that could have happened to me because I found out much later that it was LeMay that saved my ass. ROBERT: That's some powerful protection. DAVID: Yeah, but what's really interesting is an investigator pulled the records for Congressman Ashbrook from the Library of Congress and found all this documentation. The investigator was shocked to learn that I was telling the truth. In one letter I told the Air Force that without the right electronics and the right formulas to compress and scale down the fusion engine I was building, I would need a really big vehicle to put the engine in and it was going to be a damn big engine! Eventually I found an ICBM, a Titan III, that had been pulled out of mothballs and had been given to the Center for Science and Industry in Ohio. They had recently pulled all the fuel out of it and parked this thing in a storage area. It was flight ready. After a while, I got the Titan. During that time, I had more information-based dreams and from that I eventually reconfigured the fusion engine down to a workable size. Everybody loved that, because hauling a Titan rocket around is pretty tough to do - it's 30 storeys tall! After I told them I could compress this thing down to an engine that would fit in a 12-foot-tall rocket housing, I had to build everything from scratch. ROBERT: Didn't you tell me there were two rockets? DAVID: Yes. You're right. There were two of these prototypes. This one went to the science fair. But here is the one that no one ever saw publicly. ROBERT: The one you told me was "stealth?" DAVID: Right. We built one just for the local people to see what we were working on. The Air Force guys came over to my house every day. They took their uniforms off and walked around in T-shirts and shorts so the locals would think they were just average people helping out with all the rocket stuff I was building. So when the town folks came by, they just thought, "Boy, he's building a big one this time." But we had two of them in production. I set up one that I used to win the science fairs with, but here is the design we used to move past the prototype stage with. Anyway, we had a front operation and another in the back. And it worked well. That was my introduction to covert activities. All this documentation that I am showing you here, I brought with me to Congress. I didn't want to testify because I was really treading the fine line of National Security. However, I could tell this particular story because I was only 17 years old when that happened. According to constitutional law, the federal government is prohibited from signing a minor to a National Security Oath. Strom Thurman said to me one time, "You're the biggest loose cannon on the deck, boy." ROBERT: Let's go back to your experience at Area 51 with General Curtis LeMay. DAVID: Okay. What happened was, well, it was very simple. I had blown up my own engine. I sabotaged my rocket after it landed at Area 51. I blew it into a billion pieces. After they showed me the engine downstairs, I knew what they were after from my engine. ROBERT: Which engine? DAVID: The Electromagnetic Fusion Containment Engine because they are so fast. There is nothing like it. The liquid fuel and solid propellant engines are like Model Ts compared to a Lamborghini. This thing took off so fast. It went from zero mph to 8,754 mph in about 4.6 seconds. It was so fast that you couldn't even see it. ROBERT: It went that fast from a standing start? DAVID: Right. You couldn't even see it. It would be like trying to watch a bullet leave a rifle barrel. ROBERT: That's not possible to see with the naked eye. DAVID: Right. So everyone else at the launch site thought it blew up. I built most of it out of titanium. We also used inconel and carbonite. We had every kind of known material for lightness and strength incorporated in that rocket. And because of the extreme g-force of the launch, everything inside was just warped. ROBERT: But the engine was still intact when the rocket landed at Area 51? DAVID: Exactly. It came down on a parachute. And that is where it got weird, because there are a lot of characters in this story. The man that was really on my case, he was a bad guy. Dr Wernher von Braun warned me. As a child, I knew von Braun because I was doing all this work with rockets in the early 1970s when we were landing men on the Moon. An hour-and-a-half's drive from my house was Wapakenneta, which is where Neil Armstrong lived. His mother Viola and I became friends. She became like a surrogate mother to me. So I was hanging out with her and I would see Neil around the house. And many times I would go over to her house and I would run right past Neil and go hang out with Viola. And Neil loved that about me because I wasn't interested in his fame; I just loved his mother. Neil was a very reclusive person, almost like a hermit, because when he came back from the Moon mission he literally just disappeared. Anyway, because I was in that kind of environment, I got to attend parties where all the original Apollo VII astronauts would show up, and von Braun showed up. And that's how we all crossed paths and I started interfacing with him. The thing is, von Braun warned me that if, during my rocket work, I should encounter a man named Dr Arthur Rudolph, I should be extremely careful because he was so dangerous. Dr Arthur Rudolph was the chief architect of the Saturn 5 engines of our Apollo Moon rocket. He came into the US with von Braun and other German scientists under Operation Paperclip. Rudolph was a full colonel in the Gestapo. He had killed hundreds of Jews personally during the building of the V-2 rockets and Peenemünde. If you made a mistake, he would put a cable around your neck and slowly lift you up, which would strangle you. Then he would disembowel you and leave you hanging there for everyone to see. There were rotted corpses hanging all over the place. They would also feed you sawdust and water. This would take the hunger out of your stomach until you fell over dead, then they would just replace you with more fresh people. This man was the winner of the Most Distinguished Service award - the highest award NASA can give. The Mossad caught up with Dr Rudolph on May 25, 1984. Due to war crimes, he was deported out of LAX to Munich, Germany, where he died [in jail]. Anyway, General LeMay had sent me from Mount Vernon, Ohio, to Wright-Patterson in Dayton, Ohio, where the SAC headquarters was located. From there, me and my rocket and some other colonels all got on board a C-141 transport and flew to White Sands. Soon after we arrived at White Sands, a black DC-9 plane showed up. LeMay had told me that if this plane showed up, it would represent a real problem for me. Anyway, out stepped these guys wearing suits and mirrored sunglasses. And among them was this one little guy wearing khaki uniform. I knew that was Dr Rudolph because Dr von Braun had showed me his picture. ROBERT: Whom was Dr Rudolph working for? DAVID: I'm not sure one of those alphabet-soup intelligence agencies. But he was primarily working for NASA. And as soon as he got off the plane, he asked to see my rocket. When I asked him who he was, he told me, "Oh, I'm just a guy that inspects rockets for the government." Then I asked him if he was from NASA, and he said he had never worked there. So we walked over to my rocket and I opened up a side panel. And when he leaned over to look at the engine, he began mumbling to himself and he seemed really upset - probably because I had built something he thought was impossible to do. So I took that opportunity to lean over and whisper in his ear, "Do you know that in proportional size, this engine has 10,000 times the thrust of the F-1, Saturn V engines, Dr Rudolph?" And he stood up and was furious. He wanted to know who I was and how I knew so much. And I told him, "I'm just a kid that launches rockets in the cow fields of Ohio." [Laughter] Anyway, I had friends around me who were Air Force colonels that LeMay had assigned to take care of me. And I got upset when Dr Rudolph told me that he wanted to change the landing coordinates on my rocket. He was really nasty about it. The navigation system I was using was off-the-shelf stuff. Back in those days, it was all analogue. But I had my system programmed to where the rocket would come back down within a two-mile radius of the launch site. Dr Rudolph had me reprogram the coordinates so that my rocket would land 456 miles northwest of White Sands in an area called Groom Lake, in Nevada. Well, I immediately pulled out my national survey maps and I looked at Groom Lake and thought, "My God! Why are we launching up to a dry lake bed in Nevada? It's so far away." That's when Dr Rudolph told me, "Just do it!" He was really hostile. And I had been warned many times by von Braun and LeMay that if I ran into Dr Rudolph, not to push his buttons. So I reset the coordinates on the guidance system and we launched my rocket and it took off perfectly. And sure enough, it landed right on target. And you know, it wasn't until they made the movie Independence Day that I ever heard the term "Area 51." ROBERT: How could that be? DAVID: I always knew this place as Groom Lake. It was the only name I had ever heard for that place, growing up. So we were getting ready to board the plane to go and recover the rocket and I said, "Hey, do you see these rubber tyres on this plane? Would you please tell me how you are going to land this thing on a dry lake bed? This thing is going to plough into the ground and never leave." Someone yelled at me to shut up and get into the plane. After a while, we arrived in Nevada. And as we flew over the landing site, I looked down at these twin 10,000-foot runways and I said, "My God! There's a huge base down there!" So we landed at this place that doesn't exist on any map, and that's when I started getting really concerned. I was trying to locate any Air Force emblems, Navy emblems, any kind of logos or emblems that would identify the commanding authority, but there was nothing anywhere on any of the buildings. Normally, standard universal painting of water towers at an airstrip is an orange-and-white chequerboard pattern. But here, everything was painted either solid white or solid black. So they were not conforming to any code. After we got out of the plane, we got on this go-cart&endash;looking thing. It looked kind of like the electric carts that you see at airports. Then we drove from the landing strip to a series of hangars and headed into the centre one. It was really cool, the way this place was built. There were all these really big lights at the top that had louvres on them so the light will shine down. And when I got close to the buildings, they looked old and ratty, but underneath it was alloy, unlike any alloy I had ever seen. It was an incredible-looking stainless steel type of metal that I thought was really unusual to use for buildings of that size. When we got inside the hangar, we went down to the basement area. Actually, we drove into the hanger and there were little yellow lights flashing and big hangar doors, and out of the ground came all these little pipes with chains attached that blocked off all the doorways. Then the whole floor - about the size of a football field – slowly dropped down. The entire hangar was an unenclosed elevator. ROBERT: So, it was more like a hydraulic lift in a garage? DAVID: Yeah, but it was built to carry some really heavy stuff. The floor was made of concrete. God knows how much weight that was. The whole thing went up and down on giant worm-screws. ROBERT: I see. That's a lot more stable than using a hydraulic system. DAVID: Nothing can take the load like a worm screw. These things were the size of sequoia trees, and there were at least 12 of them lifting the floor! We went down at least 200 feet until we rested flush with the floor of an underground hangar that was huge. It had a huge arched ceiling, but it went so far that you couldn't see the end of it. It just went forever. And I thought, "My God! You could park a hundred 747s in here and they wouldn't even be in the way!" At that point I asked, "What in God's name did you do with all the dirt?" And they just looked really strangely at me. I guess they didn't expect me to try and figure things like that out. The walls were at least 30 feet high, and all along them were different workshops and laboratories and periodically there were big, huge, work bays. So we kept driving down past all kinds of aircraft that I had never seen. Some of them I had seen, like the XB-70. ROBERT: Was this area carved out of dirt or was it rock? DAVID: I don't know. Everything was coated with a ceramic- like material. ROBERT: I thought there were mountains surrounding the dry lake bed? Those must be fairly solid? DAVID: Yeah. There are all kinds of mountain ranges around that area. I never saw any "dirt", though, because everything had concrete over it or was covered with some type of ceramic material. The most interesting thing about this to me still is how well lit the underground area was. There were no shadows, anywhere. And there were no light fixtures, anywhere. I was wondering how they generated that much light. It didn't look like the walls were glowing, or the floor or the ceiling. But every square inch of this place was lit, and yet there was no visible source of light. And after we had been driving for a while and we had passed a lot of different aircraft, we took a road to the left that took us away from a lot of the other activities. I could see a lot of people working on stuff. These aircraft appeared to be operational. Some of them I have never seen before or since. They were shaped like a reverse teardrop. And there were others that looked similar to the flying wing. One aircraft, the XB-70, was a delta-wing bomber built in 1959. ROBERT: And you were at Area 51 in 1971? DAVID: Right. June 20, 1971. So, we get there and it was just amazing, because we drove up to the side of these big steel doors and one of the officers got out and put his hand on a scanner-type thing and it flashed a light at him. I thought it took his picture. In hindsight, I would have to guess that it was a retina scanning device. And after the guy was scanned, the door opened up, so I knew this was a security system of a kind. This was 1971. Let me put this into perspective. In 1971, we had no laptops, no modems, no fax, no VCR, no cell phones; we didn't even have handheld calculators. Texas Instruments developed those about five years later. So where in the hell did these guys get all this technology? As soon as we went into the room, I immediately noticed the temperature drop, because it was warm in the big open areas we had just come from. It was very cool in this room. You could almost see your breath. And as we entered the room, the lights - wherever they were coming from – came on. And again there were no shadows being cast, anywhere. Then someone threw a switch and activated a hoist attached to some cables that were attached to a big tarp. The tarp was lifted straight up, and sitting on this huge steel platform was a giant electromagnetic fusion containment engine! And I immediately knew that, because its configuration was similar to mine but it was the size of a Greyhound bus. Mine was about the size of a large watermelon! You can recognise engines that are comparable. If I had an internal combustion engine taken out of a Model A Ford and had it sitting on the ground and you pulled an engine out of a Viper today and placed it alongside, you would recognise that they operate on the same principle of internal combustion. However, the difference in performance between the two is unbelievable. It was the same situation with my little engine and this thing they had stored underground. They both ran on the same principle, the same configuration, but the level of sophistication is like that of the Model A compared to the Viper engine. This thing they had was so powerful. There were so many design features that I didn't recognise, for reasons that became clear. ROBERT: At this point you were just looking at the engine. Where was the rest of the craft? DAVID: Well, that's where the argument started. They asked me if I liked what I saw. I said, "Well, yeah, but I'm confused. I thought I was the first one to build one of these engines." And this is where things really started getting odd. The colonel that was with Dr Rudolph said, "Son, you want to help us with this design here since yours is very similar to it. You do want to help your country, don't you?" Well, I had an American flag blanket. And I listened to Anita Bryant's record before I went to sleep. I was a real patriotic flag-waver even in the '70s. Of course, it wasn't real popular to do that then because the war in Vietnam was still raging. My peers couldn't understand why I loved America so much, but it was just the way I was raised. So at first I agreed with the colonel that I wanted to help. However, I was very curious and asked, "Where are your people that built this engine?" He paused for a moment, then told me, "Well, they are on vacation right now. You're off on summer vacation, right?" And I said, "Okay! That's good. Did they leave any notes on their work that I can look at?" Then I was told, "Well, they took them with them as homework. You get homework." And I was thinking, "You know, this is really condescending. I am 17 years old." But that's how they treated 17-year-olds back then. So I thought, "OK; I will play along with this asshole." I agreed to help them, but told them that I needed to get a closer look at the engine. And they agreed, at which point I walked up and got onto the platform. And the closer I got to it, the more I realised that these people had no idea what this engine was; they were still trying to figure it out. I could tell that it didn't belong to us. And when I was about three feet away, the first thing I noticed was a perfect shadow of myself on the engine. And what did I tell you earlier? ROBERT: There were no shadows anywhere. DAVID: Right. So how is my shadow showing up on this thing? And stranger still was that the shadow moved about a half a second behind me. That really got my attention. And I thought, "If this is what I think it is, a heat sensitive recognition alloy." And then I realised we don't have [any] known material that could do that. So I looked up at the engine and I asked for permission to climb to the top because I wanted to see the damaged area. The thing had a hole about four feet in diameter in the side of it, and this was the area that most interested me. Now, think of a figure eight and right where the two circles cross each other is the eye of the hurricane. That's where the damage was located on this engine. Knowing my own engine, I was assuming that this thing had experienced some kind of breach in the electromagnetic flux field that acts as the containment wall that harnesses the power of the reactor engine. These engines basically function like a magnetic bottle or sphere, and inside you have contained the power of the Sun or a hydrogen bomb continuously detonating. It's not impossible to figure out how this works, because it occurs all the time out in space. Black holes can suck an entire galaxy full of suns into their point of singularity. Obviously a black hole has no problem containing that fusion energy. What I did was mathematically figure out a way to artificially create a synthetic black hole. And because it is based on a figure-eight design, once it has stabilised it will always implode and consume itself without pulling everything around it in. But this engine at Area 51 had lost its stabilisation in the figure eight, and that's why I was so curious about the hole. The way this engine was built was really cool. There wasn't a single screw or rivet or weld seam anywhere on this entire device from end to end. It looked like it was grown rather than assembled. And I thought, "Man, whoever built this really has some incredible manufacturing techniques." Over the years, I have been able to replicate this process to some extent in an experiment that I built. It flew onboard one of the 1993 Space Shuttle missions. It was part of the GAS (Get Away Special) program. That's where you rent space in a 55-gallon drum for your project. The first thing I did was melt alloys together, and when you spin them in a weightless environment you can create any type of dimension you want, because I figured out a way to control this. There was always a question about how you shape liquid metals in a weightless environment. It's a containerless process. It's a real phenomenon. ROBERT: You made a form without using a mould? DAVID: Right. I figured out how to take a fluid glob floating in this weightless environment and control it. For every geometric shape and dimension, we know there is a corresponding sound wave. So I created this machine that was attached to a Moog synthesiser, which allowed me to replicate any shape I wanted simply by playing notes. This machine generates interlocking standing sound waves that vibrate, even in space, and which allowed me to shape the liquid metal. That process proved to me what I had suspected when I first saw the engine at Area 51 in 1971: whoever built that engine used this process. This raised an even larger question in my mind. Who could have built an engine of this size in space? I have never discussed this publicly. But I was curious and I wanted to replicate that engine design, which was clearly built in a weightless environment. ROBERT: Which means outer space? DAVID: It would have to be deep space. Like intergalactic deep space, away from any planets or stars. ROBERT: I guess you wouldn't want your design process to encounter any gravitational fields? DAVID: Right. The less the better. They are called "gravity convections." They didn't want any gravity convection currents to show up in the alloy shaping process. Anyway, when I placed my hands on the engine to pull myself up, I began climbing up the exterior of the engine, which was designed with an exoskeletal structure. The best way to explain this is to look at the designs of H. R. Geiger; he is the designer that created all the sets of the Alien movies. ROBERT: What happened when you touched it? DAVID: It was warm, which didn't make any sense at all. It was so cold in that hangar, you could almost see your breath. I looked around on the floor and saw no power lines. And I asked myself, "How in the world could this alloy be staying warm?" And it was really hard. It was the hardest material I have ever touched. It didn't give anywhere. The surface cohesion tension on it felt more like a baby's skin. It was supple, but hard and warm. ROBERT: That is weird, especially for metal. DAVID: Yeah, and I was thinking, "What the heck is going on?" And as I was crawling up everywhere, I touched the surface and it reacted. When I turned and looked at the Air Force guys, all their mouths were hanging open. And so I assumed that the reaction they were seeing hadn't happened for them, because wherever I touched it there were these really amazing blue and white swirls moving down through the hull of this thing. It looked like wavelengths that you see on an oscilloscope. When I pulled my hands off, it stopped. And I said, "Wow! This thing is reacting!" So I continued to climb up until I reached the centre area. It had these vertebrae that branched off, cascading, fibre-like. They looked almost like fibre optic cables filled with some kind of fluid. They were very small tubes the size of angel hair pasta. There were millions of these things cascading over the hull of this engine. And I thought, "Boy, these patterns look familiar." Then it dawned on me: they looked like neural synaptic firing patterns. There were millions of them going out everywhere on this thing. So I thought that maybe the engine was designed with an exoskeletal brain. And at that point, I reached out and grabbed some of the fibres and found that they were really tough and that there was fluid in them. And wherever I touched, no matter what I touched, there would be a reaction to it like a tremor of visual lights. As I walked down into the damaged area of this thing, I finally said to the Air Force guys, "You know, this thing is a power plant. It is more than a propulsion system. It is a power plant. It obviously came out of a big vehicleÉa craft of some kind. Where is that craft located?" Now they were not happy with me, but I continued. "A craft like this must have had a crew. What did you do with those people? This is clearly not American or Soviet technology, is it, boys? This is some kind of extraterrestrial entity. How old is it? Did you dig it up? Is it millions of years old or did you guys shoot it down?" And man, they got really upset. They told the MPs to take me down off the engine. As I was coming down, I was really pissed off. I was so pissed off because I had had enough. At this point, I knew where I was. I knew that this engine was from somewhere other than Earth. I didn't know where it had come from or how long they had had it, but it was obvious that my whole world was coming undone in that moment. I grew up in a world where the government would never lie. We had just landed on the Moon the year before. And here the Air Force had this technology and they weren't saying anything, which made me furious. ROBERT: Let's back up a little. When you were on the engine, there was something that you saw, which you told me about in a previous conversation and which I found really fascinating. How and when did you see the interior of the reactor? Can you describe the crystals? DAVID: What happened was I asked for permission to inspect the damaged area inside of the engine where it had been blown open. They hesitated on that request. ROBERT: This was before you made them angry? DAVID: Before I came out of that damaged area, totally pissed off because when I got down in this thing, they told me to make it brief. So I got down and looked in the area. Man, there was some incredible-looking technology up and down this engine. And I couldn't get more than three feet into it before I came up to a wall. And this wall, it was like the iris/shutter on a camera lens. It had lots of interlocking fans that contract or expand - and I've always thought that would make the coolest door. Well, there was this little round pod-thing there, and I just put my hand on it; and when I did, the wall just shuttered open. ROBERT: It opened for you? DAVID: It made a slight noise. ROBERT: Maybe that's where they got the inspiration for the door design you saw at Area 51? DAVID: It could have been. I have no idea. But I got to look deeper into the engine. And what I saw in there was fascinating. It was such a trip being there because whenever I worked on my fusion engines, everything was so small; some parts I even had to machine under a microscope. Now, here was a replication of my basic design that was big enough to walk through. But man, this thing, what I had manufactured to achieve a certain function in my engine, this thing would have something else in its place. And this something else would be stuff I couldn't begin to recognise. There were these crystals that were facing each other. They were fabulous-looking crystals. And they were integrated into this plasma duct type thing. And in my engine, I had such a hard time getting a cyclotron to curve the blast waves I needed for propulsion. This thing had some kind of venting system that allowed them to flush their plasma out through an area that looked like the gills of a shark. The whole thing was so organic looking. It looked like a living machine - both organic and inorganic incorporated together. It was an oxymoron. How do you explain something like that? So anyway, I just got to see a lot of stuff in there that I couldn't believe. ROBERT: How many minutes were you in the interior alone? DAVID: I don't think I was in there more than five minutes. I know that doesn't sound like a very long time, but it felt like I was in there a week. ROBERT: And I believe you said you have a photographic memory. DAVID: Yeah. I was just clicking non-stop. I was just absorbing it all in. And when I left, I didn't touch that pod, right? But as soon as I passed that area, the door closed behind me. I never told the Air Force guys that I went into that part of the engine. I don't think they ever knew there was another compartment in the interior that they could enter. ROBERT: Why? DAVID: I don't believe that it allowed them access. There was a presence, though, about this engine. Just like you have a presence of a person and an entity. It just had its own. So I came out of the engine and was totally pissed off because I knew there was no way we could have built it. It was using some kind of crystal containment field power that we can't even imagine. I would have to work on it for a long time to figure out how they were doing the fractions. Where I was using the plasma in a linear mode, this thing was designed to go any direction it wanted with its plasma flows. That's impossible. ROBERT: With a rocket? DAVID: Yeah. This thing could do anything. And I really wondered who in the hell built it. So as I started coming down the outside of the engine. After we got into a big argument, I noticed that now, wherever I touched the engine, it was no longer reacting with the nice blue and white swirls of energy. They had changed to a reddish-orange flame-looking pattern. And as I calmed down to try and figure out what that was, it changed back to the bluish white, more tranquil-looking pattern. That's when I realised that the engine is not just heat sensitive; it reacts to mental waves. It is symbiotic and will lock on to how you think and feel. This allows it to interface with you. And that means this thing was aware. And it knew it was there. And I knew that it knew I was there. ------------------------------------------ About the Interviewee: David Adair is an internationally recognised expert in space technology spin off applications for industry and commercial use. At age 11, he built his first of hundreds of rockets which he designed and test-flew. At 17, he won "The Most Outstanding in the Field of Engineering Sciences" award from the US Air Force. At 19, he designed and fabricated a state-of-the-art mechanical system for changing jet turbine engines for the US Navy that set world-record turnaround times that still stand today. David Adair is the president of Intersect, Inc., and he lectures and provides consulting services to companies and organisations that want to know how to use the latest cutting-edge technological advances. E-mail him at: adair@flyingsaucers.com, or visit his Web site at http://www.flyingsaucers.com/adair1.htm for additional background or to order his videotape and audiotape lecture series. About the Interviewer: Robert M. Stanley is a writer and researcher specialising in technology trends. His articles have been featured in numerous publications and he has appeared on various television and radio programs. Currently he is serving as an R&D consultant for an international corporation. He can be e-mailed at: by Robert M. Stanley © 2002 Email: rstanley@socal.rr.com Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 9, Number 5 (Aug-Sept 2002) PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. editor@nexusmagazine.com Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our Web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com **end paste** ps dont know if im allowed to paste it but all the source stuff is provided blah,blee ,blee ,blah lol,also,in regards to "nature" what we see in nature nowadays is as much "future science" as it is "natural laws",it is one an the same ,todays nature as we know it is the futures "organic nano-tech"peace again all pps.note the bit where the guy says gov/military blokes where workin in shorts an thongs type casual wear,then go check my site an download the covert military footage i took only a few hundred metres down the road from home,where ,while the "wife an baby"walked around,4 army blokes were digging in cabling,trenches,laying wiring around the house,then when spotted me,went in 1 at a time ,came out one at a time in tshirts an casual clothing..!!!!!!one month went by,trenches left as was,they dropped tools,after the month they suddenly finsihed the job,now down the road,god knows who sells tomatoes out the front on the road !!we here in town dont just get the army out to hook up ya satelite dishes!nor is it helpin out my bro type of thing,...why hide the fact if nothing to hide by returning in casual clothes,an the closest army instalation is 4hrs away in townsville!!! |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jul 30 2005, 06:11 PM |
| Hoy Magindi, thanks for sharing David Adairs story. Truly amazing! David is a special person indeed! Regarding the Grand Canyon post above, some parts of the Grand Canyon are off limits to visitors and those areas all have Egyptian names. Coincidence? Nah! When your DVD is ready, maybe you could add the contact info to your signature (bottom of your posts) for those who would like to purchase it. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 30 2005, 07:20 PM |
| thanks man,the david thing was sent to me from a great lady at acern named mary,this next one is from an aussie ufo forum that got posted today i thought others here might find interesting. **paste** THE CIA-NWO TOOK OVER THE CROP PATTERNS Posted By: World-Action <Send E-Mail> Date: Thursday, 18 July 2002, 6:45 p.m. In Response To: PHONE ISSABELLE KINGSTON ON - UK - 01672 841220 (World-Action) WHAT THE CIA DID TO TRY TO STOP THE BEAUTY OF THE STARTLING CROP PATTERNS IN SOUTHERN ENGLAND AND WORLDWIDE http://www.world-action.co.uk/conspire.html Colin Andrews was the world's leading authority on Crop Patterns, right from the time this amazing phenomenon came onto the world's stage in the mid 1980s. I knew Colin personally, and I am totally sure the plan described by Colin, below, was later completely executed. Colin Andrews now wouldn't be able to tell you the truth on the ET origins of Crop Patterns even he wanted to. If he did, he'd probably have the shortest life expectancy of anyone on Earth. I, myself, was 'taken out' by character defamation. Pat Delgado was set up, and his spirit never recovered. Colin Andrews was forced out, as described below. File 28: Appendix 01 Part 2 Case Profile: Cosmic Top-X32 The CIA and the Crop Circles ----------------- Pages: 279-287 'COSMIC TOP SECRET - The Unseen Agenda' By Jon King, Editor of UFO Reality (UK) 1998/1999. New English Library Hodder & Stoughton ISBN 0 340 70822 0 ----------------- File 28: Appendix 01 Part 2 Case Profile: Cosmic Top-X32 'THE CIA AND THE CROP CIRCLES' [JK = Jon King, CA = Colin Andrews] JK: So, Colin. Can you think of any other instances where government agents have become involved in the crop circles research programme? CA: Yes, yes, I can. One instance in particular comes to mind. A man who announced himself as working for the CIA back in, I think, June or July of 1989, approached me and said he had been assigned to 'bring me into a plan', or more precisely, 'buy me into a plan'. He said this was the sole reason he'd come to England - that his assignment was to implement and execute this plan in which I was to be involved. JK: And did he tell you what this plan was? CA: He did, yes. He told me that certain individuals, all of whom you know, Jon - Richard Andrews, Terence Meaden, Pat Delgado, to name a few - he told me that the CIA were about to promote each major researcher in turn and then publicly debunk them. He said this was a ploy that was frequently used. He said they would give them a stage, encourage them to declare their hand and, one by one, take them out. He said that I would then be left with a 'role' that he later revealed to me. JK: How did this man make his approach? How did he contact you? CA: Well, when he first arrived, Pat and I were asked to go up to Pebble Mill television studios in Birmingham to take part in a programme called Daytime Live. It was a kind of live TV debate situation. They were going to air the sequence that contained the mysterious sound detected in a crop formation and recorded by the BBC - the sound that destroyed a hundred thousand pounds' worth of TV camera one sunny afternoon at a crop circle site in Wiltshire! As we came on air, they were running this particular sequence. Anyway, on the morning of the programme we were in our hotel, and we received a phone call from David Morgenstern of the BBC who said that they had received some communication from a man who claimed he had actually seen a crop circle being formed, and what questions should they ask that would allow them to know if he was telling the truth? So we gave them some questions that we thought would be helpful. When we arrived at the studios we were told that this man had been flown directly in to Birmingham and that we would not be able to meet him because they wanted it to be an absolutely first-time contact on air. As we came on air they panned to the studio audience, and this man described what he'd seen, live on TV. JK: What exactly did he say? CA: That he'd been out studying foxes in Scotland, and that one of the foxes on this particular night had refused to follow its regular path which, he explained, was not consistent with the usual behaviour of foxes. I don't know if this is right or not, but it sounded plausible. The fox apparently refused to go any further and instead went back the way it had come. The man then apparently heard some rustling, and then he described the way this circle formed. What he was saying is that the fox had presumably sensed something strange and that after it had scampered off he witnessed the formation of this circle. But the point is that his live TV appearance seemed to legitimize him. JK: You think this was his way of becoming accepted on the crop circle scene? CA: Right. From that moment on his being seen in the presence of the crop circle researchers - myself and Pat in particular - became acceptable. It was his 'way in', so to speak. JK: So what happened next? CA: Well, some weeks later there was a rap on my door, and when I answered it I immediately recognized the man standing there. It was the 'fox-study' man. He said that he'd come to tell me something ... he wanted me to get Pat Delgado over to my place because he wanted to talk to both of us. Pat lived about seventeen miles away. It was late at night but I phoned him and he agreed to come over. When he arrived the man spent all evening into the early hours with both of us, asking question after question. He appeared to be comparing the answers I gave against those that Pat gave. Well, perhaps not surprisingly, Pat eventually grew more and more frustrated, and said to the man: 'Look, exactly what have you come to tell us?' But the man just shook his head, as if to say: 'I'm not ready to tell you yet.' So Pat just stood up and said something like: 'Well, I've got better things to do with my time,' and headed out the door and went home. He was very angry. The guy accompanied me to the door to see Pat out (I didn't know whether he was going to leave as well - I was rather hoping he would, because I was pretty bloody angry about it, too) but as Pat left and I closed the door the man just spun round on me and said: 'Get your jacket on. I want to tell you something.' So against my better judgement I went through into the front room and told my wife I was popping out for a few minutes (I wanted to tell her so she didn't become worried). We then went out. JK: Where did you go at that time of night? CA: We wandered down towards Andover town centre, then back up Salisbury Road, back and forth, back and forth, questions and more questions, most of a fairly general nature, but none of the questions were about me. Rather they were to do with things like, you know: Where were the circles? Who were we in touch with? What did we know, particularly about the Russians? That kind of thing. He was asking every question you could possibly think of that an intelligence agent would probably ask. But the conversation wasn't going anywhere at all. As for myself I was furious, but I didn't quite have the courage to walk away. JK: But presumably at some point he told you what it was he'd come to tell you? CA: Yes. When we eventually started to walk back towards my home he stopped on the pavement and said: 'You are now one of us.' So I said: 'What do you mean by that?' He said, simply: 'CIA.' When I asked him for ID he just laughed and said: 'You really think a CIA agent would carry identification?' And then he laughed again. He told me I would never see his boss, and that he never saw his boss's boss. He said that was the way it worked. He said that from here on in I was 'one of them'. He gave me no say in the matter whatever. He never asked me if I wanted to be associated with the CIA - he just told me that from then on I was to consider myself one of them. Following this he named a lot of people - most of whom were my colleagues in crop circle research - who were to be eliminated from the research programme (he did not mean that they were to be killed or anything quite like that, but they were nevertheless to be taken off the stage, so to speak). And they have been. I have watched the process in operation for some years now - a process he openly told me about on that night. And every name he named that night has since been 'got at', and everything that he said would happen has happened. JK: Could you give us an example? CA: Well, for instance, the following year Terence Meaden was never out of the newspapers. Nobody else could get a look in. This is exactly what he told me would happen. But where is Terence Meaden now? Who knows what Terence Meaden's latest ideas are? Answer: no one. Because, presumably, his stage has been taken from him - he's been 'taken out'. Pat Delgado was next, and we all know what happened to him. [Author's note: sadly, Pat Delgado was so taken in by the 'Doug And Dave' episode, and so distraught because of it, that he retired from crop circle research soon thereafter.] JK: Do you think there was a reason why you weren't 'taken out', too? Did this man indicate why you should be singled out from the rest? CA: He did, yes. The CIA guy told me that, so far as they were concerned, I seemed to have a particular affinity and contact with the public. 'You have a way,' is what he said. The public identify with you.' JK: And at the time, of course, you were getting a lot of media coverage. CA: Yes, I was. There were really only two people in those days, Pat and myself. We'd written a book and it had sold a lot of copies. We were getting a lot of TV and radio coverage. But a decision seemed to be made that night that I was the one. I mean, if you look at it logically, it could have been either one of us. So this man must have been in a position to make a decision. He must have carried some authority within his agency. JK: Right. CA: So he chose me to go with this 'role' ... JK: And what was this 'role'? CA: Once they had taken these other researchers out of the frame, so to speak, they wanted me to do something for them. He said I was to carry on being Colin Andrews, researching the phenomenon, just doing my thing, and at some point in the near future I would be asked to do one interview which would enjoy maximum, saturated media coverage. During the course of this interview I was to make one statement, and one statement only. They wanted me to state publicly that the crop circle phenomenon was a hoax. When we got back to my home he said that he would show me how to say it and what to say. In return for this I was offered a bank account in Switzerland, in which would be enough money that I would never need to even think about money ever again. On top of this he said that they were in possession of some kind of 'instrument' which they would send to me within two weeks. He said that this instrument would allow me to identify immediately a real crop circle from a hoax - something that, presumably, could measure some or other microwave residue, or some other residual effect. He told me: 'You will then be in a privileged position, and we will put you right out there as the number one crop circle expert.' He then said that they would send me to a certain college. . . (which I know to be a government establishment, so my ears pricked up at this point). . . where you will be familiarized with coding structures. I mean, this is an absolute bloody horror story I'm hearing ... I mean, I was . . . God, no one will ever know how I felt that night. I was terrified. I even cried. I was completely and utterly bloody freaked. I even saw my daughter the next day and I broke down while I was talking to her, too. I said to her: 'Darling, I want you to forget everything I've ever told you about crop circles. I think I'm in terrible trouble. You know, I'm in bloody trouble.' Of course, she didn't know what I was talking about but I just wanted my family out of it. It took everything I knew to get over that ordeal and carry on a relatively normal life . . . (At this point Colin took a few moments to himself. It was obvious that the ordeal had affected him very deeply - indeed, that the memory was as painful as the ordeal itself. A short while later we resumed.) CA: ... So anyway ... I was told that there would be another couple of contacts made and that these would be 'voice-only' contacts via the telephone. And sure enough they phoned me, but by this time I'd had time to think about the situation and I'd decided I was going to take his head off, you know. There was no way I was going to give them what they wanted. JK: So what did you do? CA: I was given a contact number at the Ministry of Defence and I rang that number and told them that I'd had this approach, but I was told they had no jurisdiction. Can you believe that? A British subject was being harassed by a member of US Intelligence and the MoD had no jurisdiction to protect me! My God! I mean, it really made me ashamed to be British. Anyway, they also told me that I was not to be concerned, that I should simply refuse to cooperate with them. They said that if I refused to go along with it there should not be any danger to me. Hah! I thought: Thanks for the invaluable assistance!' JK: And is that what you did? CA: In the event, yes. That's precisely what I did. I literally ignored the phone calls. And I guess, in retrospect, it might just have saved my life, the fact that I'd contacted the MoD. Perhaps they have a little more jurisdiction than they admitted to. Perhaps the fact that I contacted the MoD meant that the CIA dared not harm me in any way. JK: So how did you know which calls to ignore? How did you know it was them? CA: Oh, it was them, all right. The guy was on the answer machine saying: 'Pick up the phone. Pick up the phone.' But I didn't. I just let it go. Then the voice said: 'Ring me back at this number.' And then they gave a number, but I didn't ring back. A few days later they phoned again, and this time what they said was vile, and frightening. But my answer was: 'Sorry, I'm not playing.' And that was that so far as I was concerned. Like I said, perhaps they knew I'd contacted the MoD. Maybe, just maybe, this was enough for them to leave me alone. JK: Have you had similar approaches since you moved to America? CA: Well, nothing quite like that. But I have certainly been approached, yes. A computer analyst at the Pentagon, for example, approached me with a person called [name deleted] Pretty soon this woman, [name deleted], sought [name deleted] out and asked to see her in her office. Now this meant that my new office - which I used to share with [name deleted] - had already been infiltrated by people who we now know for sure were CIA. I have since had several approaches by both of these people. JK: Sounds like someone was pretty desperate to gain access to your database. CA: Absolutely. That's the only possible answer. Well, I know that's what it was all about. They told me so. For instance, [name deleted], who is an author in the US, offered that I should co-author a book with her and she went to every extreme in order to get me to agree. She wanted to work with me on the project in my office here in Connecticut, which of course would have allowed her unlimited access to my database. But again, I turned the offer down. JK: Well, thank you for being so frank, Colin. I'm sure you've opened a lot of people's minds about the ways in which the world's intelligence agencies work and about just how seriously they view the UFO and crop circle phenomena. Thanks once again. CA: My pleasure. ------------------------------------ http://www.world-action.co.uk/conspire.html ------------------------------------ WHAT HAPPENED TO COLIN They got to him. Colin Andrews was taken out of the Crop Pattern scene. All of us in the Wiltshire area of southern England knew that ET was making the original Crop Patterns and, at the end of the 1980s, even though Colin was being very scientifically cautious, we knew that he knew too - and we were just waiting for him to reveal to the world the immediate presence of ET in and around the Earth - everywhere. They must have found some way to get to Colin. In the mid 1990s, it was revealed that Colin had suddenly started working for a Rockefeller foundation and had been given a vast fund and/or salary. Colin was a man of principle - that is why we all liked him so much. Obviously they found a way to coerce Colin to keep quiet about the ET connection. Colin travelled to the USA a lot. Perhaps it was during one of these USA visits. Colin had to be silenced. 100s of millions of people worldwide had become interested in the 'out-of-this-world' Crop Patterns - they were not going to waste 50 years concerted effort to confuse us about the reality we live in, to let just one single man change the course of history. ------------------- IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DIE AND MISS THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY THIS PLANET HAS EVER HAD - YOU HAD BETTER GET YOUR SKATES ON NOW ------------------ START THE WORLDWIDE DEBATE FOR GLOBAL ACTION AND DO NOT STOP IT UNTIL SANITY HAS RETURNED IMPORTANT INFORMATION: http://www.world-action.co.uk/inform.html WORLDWIDE EMERGENCY ON EARTH: Science, Military, Industry and Government are going mad. People worldwide are being forced to eat genetically modified food. The world is being destroyed by continued burning of fossil fuels. Over-Unity energy production has been hidden from humanity for 50 years. Humanity is being farmed, manipulated, abused and killed - while a mad machine runs and ruins the world. Mammals in the sea are dying from US Navy use of advanced sonar radar. Chemtrails are being sprayed worldwide and people are dying of respiratory problems at an alarming rate. ELECTRONIC & MICROWAVE POLLUTION: Microwave pollution is increasing at an alarming rate. During the week 12-18 August, unpleasant physical and psychological symptoms have been noted across the Earth - especially on the North American continent. On Friday 11th August, the HAARP installation in Alaska, began transmitting extremely high-powered energy pulses into the Earth's atmosphere. Psychological effects reported during this week include: disrupted sleep patterns; alarming dreams; disturbed thought processes; panic; dread; etc. Physical symptoms include: respiratory problems; static build-up all over the body; nose-bleeds; headaches; migraine; fever; etc. IMPORTANT INFORMATION: http://www.world-action.co.uk/inform.html ---------------------- WORLDWIDE DANGER: Bizarre and dangerous developments worldwide: Proliferation Of Genetically Modified Foodstuffs; Climate And Weather Warfare; Germ Warfare; Chemtrails; US Navy Sonar Of Oceans; Microwave Pollution; Suppression Of Over Unity Energy Production; Weaponisation Of Space; Son Of Star Wars; NWO - Emergence Of A One World State; AIDS - Deliberate Genocide Of Humanity; Suppression Of The Truth Of ET Existence; Science, Medicine, Industry and Military Acting Without Moral Regard; Leaders Acting Without Reference To The People; Cloning Of Life-Forms. You name it - it is about to happen unless WE stop it. ---------------- We must do what we conceive to be the right thing and not bother our heads or burden our souls with whether we will be successful. Because if we don't do the right thing, we will be doing the wrong thing and we will just be a part of the disease and not a part of the cure. E. F. SCHUMACHER ---------------- HAVE WE HAD ENOUGH? ---------------------------------------- : PHONE ISSABELLE KINGSTON ON - UK - 01672 841220 : EXCUSE ME FOLKS, BUT THE WORLD IS FALLING APART, AND QUITE : HONESTLY IF WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE EQUIVALENT OF IN PRISON : OR DEAD - VERY SOON - WE'VE REALLY GOT TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER : AND DEFEAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ABUSING THE WORLD WHILE WE STILL : HAVE THE CHANCE. : THE CROP PATTERNS, I FEEL SURE, WERE STARTED BT ET/SPIRIT : TO GIVE US A VERY SPECIFIC MESSAGE, BUT NOW THEY ARE JUST : ENTERTAINMENT. : MORE TO THE POINT, THEY ARE DIVERSION. : EVER NOTICED HOW MANY THINGS ARE GOING HUGELY WRONG GLOBALLY? : AND EVER NOTICED HOW MANY DIVERSIONS THERE ARE TO REALLY : DEALING WITH THESE SITUATIONS? : --- : PHONE ISSABELLE KINGSTON ON - UK - 01672 841220 : --- : ISSABELLE - THE MEDIUM WHO LIVES RIGHT IN THE CROP PATTERN : AREA OF WILTSHIRE, AND HAS BEEN INTIMATELY CONNECTED WITH CROP : PATTERNS FROM BEFORE THEY MADE THE NEWS - TOLD ME IN 1999, : THAT SHE AND OTHER CLAIRVOYANTS WERE GETTING THE COMMUNICATION : THAT THE REAL PRODUCERS OF THE CROP PATTERNS WOULD END THEIR : PARTICIPATION AT THE END OF THE 1999 SEASON. : I BELIEVE HER. : IF ISSABELLE AND THE OTHER CLAIRVOYANTS ARE CORRECT, : ALL CROP PATTERNS ARE NOW HOAXED - AND PROBABLY BY EITHER : PLATFORMS/SATELLITES OR BY STEALTH CRAFT. : [THIS IS A VERY LOVELY CROP PATTERN RIXON - BUT WHAT DOES IT : DO TO GET US OUT OF THE TERRIBLE SITUATION WE'RE NOW IN?] : ET/SPIRIT GOT THEIR MESSAGE ACROSS PRE-1999. : AS AN ET/SPIRIT CONTACT MYSELF, I CAN TELL YOU THAT ET/SPIRIT : IS GOING UP THE WALL AT THE DANGER WE NOW FACE. : THEY ALSO SAY THAT IF WE 'START TO GO UP THE WALL' - WE WILL : FIND A WAY OUT OF THE SITUATION. : DON'T FALL FOR THE DECEPTIONS AND DIVERSIONS. : DON'T GO FOR ENTERTAINMENT NOW - FIGHT THE FIGHT IN FRONT OF : US. : THEN WE WILL HAVE ENTERTAINMENT AND A WAY OF LIFE WE'VE NEVER : KNOW BEFORE, LATER. : THE WORLD IS COMPLETELY RUN ON LIES. : Michael Irving : 19th July 2002 : World-Action : British Isles : http://www.world-action.co.uk **end paste** thanks for the dvd addy idea PuPP ,will do,theyre ready now i just have to set up a lil account for it,when thats done ill link it to the paypal account ,if anyone wants before then just mail me an we can work something out.peace all |
| Posted by: Mark J. Harper Jul 30 2005, 08:50 PM | ||
No prob Magindi, just looking out for you and offering tips to help you spread your DVD.
It's actually much much worse than that small paragraph I quoted. The beings/alien race which controls our lives is destroying Earth and we are being used to speed up that process. I truly believe these beings are Planet Destroyers and will leave Earth a toxic wasteland. It's the only thing that makes sense to me when people with 6 and 7 figure salaries are aware of the environmental destruction taking place and yet continue to allow it. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Jul 31 2005, 07:36 PM |
| i thought you might agree with those statements ,i also agree,with people in the hollwood industrys earning multimillions for a frickiin movie while the teachers of our future gen are underpaid an over worked theres def major in-equalities all round the board.ta for the dvd support PuPP ,we will see how much interest is really there ,knowing the voodoo ill sell probably about 2, ive already had "investigators"hinting for free ones,lol they can pay to abuse the footage this time i reckon. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Aug 1 2005, 08:18 AM |
| this text much closer to home for me here,but for all its another view at pine gap,austrlalias role with america in both the past and future .some other source links to delve deeper ,its well worth the read.i found this on a fella named barry taylors site,hes an aussie thats takin a few vids in his time an this report took my eye.(note the triangle shaped craft mentioned) **paste** Pine Gap The following are exerts from Branton (read full story) "It is said that under Pine Gap is the deepest drilling hole in Australia - about 5 miles (more than 8,000 meters). Such a hole is likely used as an underground antenna able to recharge the batteries of submarines in the Pacific and Indian Ocean through ELF broadcasts. Such a gigantic antenna could be used to generate the gigantic stationary wave around the Earth. "Some say that Pine Gap has an enormous nuclear generator to supply energy to a new type of transceiver. It seems too that there is a high-powered, high-voltage plasma accelerator which may be put to use to transmit electric current, or even to produce a 'death-ray', or quite simply to feed a plasma gun. All this is not as incredible as it sounds: it is now known that the US base of West Cape, near Exmouth Gulf in Western Australia (Harold E. Holt USN Communication Station), has an older type of the transceiver used at Pine Gap which is used to send electric current to submerged US submarines who trail a wire antenna. It is known that electric currents transmitted in this way are referred to as plasmo-dynamic cells. "Several times, locals have seen WHITE DISKS about 30' in diameter in the process of being unloaded from large US cargo planes at the airports serving Pine Gap. Those disks had the USAF emblem on them. It seems likely that disks are assembled and based at Pine Gap. The number of disks seen at night leaves no doubt in anyones mind. An amazing quantity of furniture has been delivered by plane from the United States. The locals also say that an enormous amount of food is stocked in warehouses of what could well be a true multi-leveled underground city. "On the other hand, Pine Gap is well known as one of the most important control centers for spy satellites which circle the globe. An article published in late 1973 claimed that the Pine Gap installation, along with its sister installation in Guam, were used to control the photographic missions of the large American satellites in orbit above the Earth. "Pine Gap has enormous computers which are connected to their American and Australian central counterparts, which collect all the information secured in these countries, not only about finance and technology, but on every aspect of the life of the average citizen. Those computers at Pine Gap are also evidently connected to similar mainframes in Guam, in Krugersdorp South Africa, and at the Amundsen-Scott US base at the South Pole. "Let us say, incidently, that the employees (more than 1200) of the US base in South Africa all claim to be members of the US consular mission in that country. It may be worthy of note that the Amundsen-Scott base at the South Pole is located on a sensitive magnetic spot of our planet, that it holds exactly the same assets as Pine Gap, and that all the information about most of the average citizens of Western Europe is stored there in memory banks tens of meters under the icepack. "A statement made by the Australian premier about 1987, assuring that 'France must disappear from the Pacific, from the Kerguelen Ridge, and from Antarctica' sheds light on the importance of this polar base for the Anglo-Saxon world. Pine Gap Research Area. © Copyright 1999-2001. TopSecretPublishing. Index Pine Gap Research Area The SIGINT gathering station at Pine Gap near Alice Springs "Australia" is quite possibly, one of the most secretive satellite ground stations in the world, and is one of the largest in the world. Pine Gap receives data from a number of geostationary SIGINT satellites, most notably from the satellite's that were manufactured by TRW Space Systems at Redondo Beach, California. These satellites are under the control of the CIA which in turn answers to the National Reconnaissance Office "NRO". The original code name for the Pine Gap facility was MERINO but by now would almost be obsolete. Pine Gap as stated before is one of the largest ground satellite stations in the world, at the present time the facility currently contains eight large radomes an extremely large computer room and 20 or so service support buildings. The radomes that cover the rather large antenna array's serve two purposes, one being to keep dust, sand and other foreign objects out of the delicate equipment and two being to conceal the antenna's position from enemy spy satellites. The computer room at the base is also unbelievably large encompassing almost 5,600 square metres, so large in fact that the operators use headsets to communicate with each other, also as a matter of interest the computers at the station are mainly IBM. The computer room itself is principally divided into 3 different divisions: The Station Keeping Section, which has responsibility for keeping the satellites at their correct geo-stationary orbit. The Signals Processing Office (SPO) The Signals Analysis Section (SAS) COMMUNICATION: The Pine Gap facility has a wide range of communication services at it's disposal, (HF) radio, underground cable, Telstra telephone and telix link, 2 satellite comm's terminals. As well as this the base is serviced by the US Military Airlift Command, which physically carry tapes of intercepted signals back to the US for further study. The primary landline communication link for the base is provided by TELSTRA, via the trans Pacific under-sea cable sea system which links the US and Australia, while AT&T maintain their end of the deal. Around 1968 a HF antenna was installed in the northern edge of the facility, with the international call sign VL5TY, this provides a direct link to the US base Clark Field in the Philippines this service operates on an estimated 16 freq's from 4.048 MHz to 23.69 MHz. The following freq's were used in 1987 for these comm's: 4.048, 5.92, 6.766, 6.866, 8.093, 8.17, 9.224, 9.915, 10.587, 12.21, 14.782, 15.895, 17.523, 17.623, 23.355, 23.69 MHz All comm's to or from Pine Gap are encrypted in either the Signals Processing Office or the National Cypher and communication's room. Two Univac computers are used to encrypt the transmissions, while two cryptographic machines (a KW-7 and a KG-13 for teletype and voice encryption respectively) communicate with the TRW's buildings in Redondo Beach, California. Note these methods are only used for general signals rather than SIGINT traffic, it is only when prompt action is required from the US that the SIGINT traffic is directed through this way. The Communications Vault in TRW's building M-4 code named PEDAL is a major point in the Pine Gap communications system, of the 25 to 30 messages sent from Pine Gap each day about half of these are directed to CIA (code named PILOT) headquarters in Langley Virginia. Occasionally SIGNIT data is directed directly to the NRO headquarters in the Pentagon or to the NSA headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland, since 1969 there have been twice weekly flights of C-141 Starlifter and Galaxy aircraft, these have 2 purposes 1 to deliver parts and supplies and 2 to collect the thousands of reels of SIGINT gathered at Pine Gap each week. OVERVIEW: This short overview is only merely intended to give a brief idea of what this base is about, Pine Gap is still essentially a BLACK project designed purley for espionage and covert intell gathering, but a number of questions still remain, does the Australian government really know what goes on out there? Just how big is this base?, undoubtedly there would be underground levels, as a SIGNIT station there is a big possibility that it would be a nuclear target, going underground would certainly be a wise choice. UP-DATES: Pine Gap is still the most important US installation in Australia. It's purpose and functions is still the most secret. Where as "all" other US installations in Australia have been acknowledged, the Pine Gap SIGNIT satellite program still remains a BLACK program. The Australian public have been treated like fools, led only to believe that this area is only a "defence space research facility". This is a gross untruth. The undeniable truth is that PINE GAP is involved with espionage. THE HISTORY OF PINE GAP http://www.octa4.net.au/marlinw/ (link to read more) 1991 - U.S. Newspapers report that Pine Gap is instrumental in the tracking of Iraq's SCUD Missiles and the guidance and trajectory of the U.S. PATRIOT Missiles. Also reports that Satellite Imagery from Pine Gap was monitoring the troop movements and other military activity of Iraq. 1996 - Rumours begin to speculate when witnesses allege to have seen a triangular shaped aircraft crash or land rapidly at an area west of Pine Gap. A local man looking for the alleged site reports he is stopped and expelled by Pine Gap Security staff. The alleged area of land is on private property outside of Pine Gap's land holdings. November 1996 - UFO hoax perpetrated by a local youth launching hot air balloons. Rumours speculate UFO's until cause of lights in the sky is discovered.. Federation of American Scientists 1717 K Street, NW, Suite 209 Washington, DC 20036 This site provides a selection of official and unofficial resources on intelligence policy, structure, function, organization and operations. It was created by John Pike and is maintained by Steven Aftergood. Hot Documents Subscribe to Secrecy News Final Report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry Into September 11, released December 11, 2002. Terrorism: Resources Intelligence Systems and Programs Worldwide Intelligence Agencies Intelligence Threat Assessments Imagery Official Documents Congressional Material e-Prints Project on Government Secrecy Current News Reports PINE GAP US facilities at Pine Gap The US base at Pine Gap is heavily involved in the Echelon global satellite spy system and in the "Star Wars" program. Activity at this base is kept secret from Australian citizens and Australian government. For more information on the base, and planned actions, check out the sites listed below: FoE Australia has a new Pine Gap page on the FoEA web site: http://www.foe.org.au/nc/nc_pine.htm See also the Action for Peace page on the FoE Melbourne site: http://melbourne.foe.org.au/afp/index.html The Australian Anti-Bases Campaign Coalition has information on its website http://www.anti-bases.org/ The Medical Association for Prevention of War (MAPW) website has new fact files about the planned actions at Pine Gap and also about missile defence - these are in both plain text (HTML) and PDF formats. The direct links to the new pages are: Pine Gap http://www.mapw.org.au/nationalmissiledefence/whyPG.html and Missile defence http://www.mapw.org.au/nationalmissiledefence/nmd-index.html The first generation of satellites, launched in 1970 the year Pine Gap became operational, were designed to spy on Soviet missile developments and for general espionage in Asia. They were used during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan war, in Vietnam, and later to spy on China. A second generation was launched in the mid-1970s, especially designed for communications surveillance -- for example, conversations and radio communications between Soviet military commanders. The development of third generation satellites, launched in 1978, was stepped-up after the 1979 fall of the Shah forced the closure of US eavesdropping bases in Iran. A fourth generation, Magnum, was launched on the space shuttle Discovery in January 1985. These were huge receivers designed to pick up information on Soviet missile tests, and military and diplomatic communications. From 1983, Pine Gap was expanded to receive the increased volume of signals from these satellites. Pine Gap's most important role is processing information gathered by Rhyolite signals intelligence (SIGINT) satellites and transmitting that information to the United States. These satellites suck up radio transmissions across a wide spectrum. Military intelligence is obtained, along with economic, political and domestic information from national and international telephone and radio communications. Pine Gap's satellites gather military radio transmissions, giving information on military readiness, troop and ship movements and other matters. The satellites can intercept radar emanations, allowing mapping of air defences, anti-ballistic missile radars and early-warning radars. During a May 1992 visit, US defence secretary Dick Cheney confirmed that the US bases in Australia had been used in the Gulf War. US Chief of Staff during the war, Colin Powell, also confirmed that he ordered detailed planning for a nuclear strike against Iraq. Pine Gap played a significant role in providing information on Iraqi air and ground defences, troop deployments and military infrastructure - the information supplied helped make possible the final American assault on Iraqi forces. The joint US-Australia facilities were also, according to Cheney, to play a role in the Strategic Defence Initiative or "Star Wars". **end paste** for some truth seekers along the path ,the keyword in this whole document is ((Rhyolite)),a subtle truth ,but a truth that permeates through so many things .peace all. |
| Posted by: MagIndi Aug 4 2005, 07:46 AM |
| Googling my site as i do sometimes to check links around the subject i ran across this site,i have no idea why on a direct google to my site it pulled up this site,but the info in it is freaking not bad ,anyone that reads this thread should take some time an wrap ya peepers around some of the info this page has to offer. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=37402&page=4 as of yet i cant see why google pulled this up from a direct name search from my site ,cached view highlights nothing where as it normally does on the search word,but ehh,whats new,possibly one of us on our searching travels left a link behind maybe.anyways ,worth a read people ,heres one of the stories on the page **paste** The Ellsworth AFB Case (RV) August 5, 1953 Ellsworth Air Force Base, E. of Rapid City, SD F-84B "Thunderjet" I first heard about the sighting about two o'clock on the morning of August 11,1953, when Max Futch called me from ATIC. A few minutes before, a wire had come in carrying a priority just under that reserved for flashing the word the U.S. has been attacked. Max had been called over to ATIC by the OD to see the report, and he thought that I should see it. I was a little hesitant to get dressed and go out to the base, so I asked Max what he thought about the report. His classic answer will go down in UFO history, "Captain," Max said in his slow, pure Louisiana drawl, "you know that for a year I've read every flying saucer report that's come in and that I never really believed in the things." Then he hesitated and added, so fast that I could hardly understand hini, "But you should read this wire." The speed with which he uttered this last statement was in itself enough to convince me. When Max talked fast, something was important. A half hour later I was at ATIC - just in time to get a call from the Pentagon. Someone else had gotten out of bed to read his copy of the wire. I used the emergency orders that I always kept in my desk and caught the first airliner out of Dayton to Rapid City, South Dakota. I didn't call the 4602nd because I wanted to investigate this one personally. I talked to everyone involved in the incident and pieced together an amazing story. Shortly after dark on the night of twelfth, the Air Defense Command radar station at Ellsworth AFB, just east of Rapid City, had received a call from the local Ground Observer Corps filter center. A lady spotter at Black Hawk, about 10 miles west of Ellsworth, had reported an extremely bright light low on the horizon, off to the northeast. The radar had been scanning an area to the west, working a jet fighter in some practice patrols, but when they got the report they moved the sector scan to the northeast quadrant There was a target exactly where the lady repored the light to be. The warrant officer who was the duty controller for the night, told me that he'd studied the target for several minutes. He knew how weather could affect radar but this target was well defined, solid, and bnght." It seemed to be moving, but very slowly. He called for an altitude reading, and the man on the height-finding radar checked his scope. He also had the target - it was at 16.000 feet. The warrant officer picked up the phone and asked the filter center to connect him with the spotter. They did, and ihe two people compared notes on the UFO's position for several minutes. But right in the middle of a sentence the lady suddenly stopped and excitedly said, "It'sstarting to move - it's moving southwest toward Rapid." The controller looked down at his scope and the target was begining to pick up speed and move southwest. He yelled at two of his men to run outside and take a look. In a second or two one of them shouted back that they could both see a large bluish-white light moving toward Rapid City. The controller looked down at his scope, the target was moving toward Rapid City. As all three parties watched the light and kept up a steady cross conversation of the description, the UFO swiftly made a wide sweep around Rapid City and returned to its original position in the sky. A master sergeant who had seen and heard the happenings told me that in all his years of duty - combat radar operations in both Europe and Korea - he'd never been so completely awed by anything. When the warrant officer had yelled down at him and asked him what he thought they should do, he'd just stood there. "After all," he told me, "what in hell couldf we do - they're bigger than all of us." But the warrant officer did do something. He called to the F-84 pilot he had on combat air patrol west of the base and told him to get ready for an intercept. He brought the pilot around south of the base and gave him a course correction thai would take him riglit into the light. which was still at 16.000 feet. By this time the pilot had it spotted. He made the turn, and when he closed to within about 3 miles of the target, it began to move. The controller saw it begin to move, the spotter saw it begin to move and the pilot saw it begin to move - all at the same time There was now no doubt that all of them were watching the same object. Once it began to move, the UFO picked up speed fast and started to climb, heading north, but the F-84 was right on its tail. The pilot would notice that the light was getting brighter, and he'd call the controller to tell him about it. But the controller's answer would always be the same, "Roger, we can see it on the scope." There was always a limit as to how near the jet could get, however. The controller told me that it was just as if the UFO had some kind of an automatic warning radar linked to its power supply. When something got too close to it, it would automatically pick up speed and pull away. The separation distance always remained about 3 miles. The chase continued on north out of sight of the lights of Rapid Cty and the base - into some very black night. When the UFO and the F-84 got about 120 miles to the north, the pilot checked his fuel; he had to come back. And when I talked to him, be said he was damn glad that he was running out of fuel because being out over some mighty desolate country alone with a UFO can cause some worry. Both the UFO and the F-84 had gone off the scope, but in a few minutes the jet was back on, heading for home. Then 10 or 15 miles behind it was the UFO target also coming back. While the UFO and the F-84 were returning to the base - the F-84 was planning to land - the controller received a call from the jet interceptor squadron on the base. The alert pilots at the squadron had heard the conversations on their radio and didn't believe it. "Who's nuts up there?" was the comment that passed over the wire from the pilots to the radar people. There was an F-84 on the line ready to scramble, the man on the phone said, and one of the pilots, a World War II and Korean veteran, wanted to go up and see a flying saucer. The controller said, "OK, go." In a minute or two the F-84 was airborne and the controller was working him toward the light. The pilot saw it right away and closed in. Again the light began to clirnb out, this time more toward the northeast. The pilot also began to climb, and before long the light, which at first had been about 30 degrees above his horizontal line of sight, was now below him. He nosed the '84 down to pick up speed, but it was the same old story - as soon as he'd get within 3 miles of the UFO, it would put on a burst of speed and stay out ahead. Even though the pilot could see the light and hear the ground controller telling him that he was above it, and alternately gaining on it or dropping back, he still couldn't believe it - there must be a simple explanation He turned off all of his lights - it wasn't a reflection from any of the airplane's lights because there it was. A reflection from a ground light, maybe. He rolled the airp!ane - the position of the light didn't change. A star - he picked out three bright stars near the light and watched carefully. The UFO moved in relation to the three stars. Well, he thought to himself, if it's a real object out there, my radar should pick it up too; so he flipped on his radar-ranging gunsight. In a few seconds the red light on his sight blinked on - something real and solid was in front of him. Then he was scared. When I talked to him, he readily admitted that he'd been scared. He'd met MD 109's, FW 190's and ME 262's over Germany and he'd met MIG-15's over Korea but the large, bright, bluish-white light had scared - he asked the controller if he could break off the intercept This time the light didn't corne back. What he UFO went off the scope it was headed toward Fargo, North Dakota, so the controller called the Fargo filter center. "Had they had any reports of unidentified lights?" he asked. They hadn't. But in a few minutes a call came back. Spotter posts on a southwest- northeast line a few miles west of Fargo had reported a fast-nioving, bright bluish-white light. This was an unknown - the best.. The sighting was thorougly investigated, and I could devote pages of detail on how we looked into every facet of the incident; but it will suffice to say that in every facet we looked into we saw nothing. Nothing but a big question mark asking what was it. here's some documents regarding the sightings,(taken from NICAP): “ 5 August 1953 Rapid City,South Dakota Description Since this sighting was a combined air-visual, ground-visual, air radar, and ground-radar report, it was decided that Project Blue Book would send an investigator to the scene. The controller on duty at the time or the incident was interviewed. His account of the incident was almost identical to that given in the initial TWX. He was on duty at 2005 MST when a GOC post observer called in an unidentified flying object sighted northeast of her post at Blackhawk, South Dakota. (Note: Sunset 1920 MST Twilight 33 minutes.) She reported through the Rapid City Filter Center. She reported that the object was stationary, then moved south toward Rapid City. When the controller got the report that the object or light was headed toward Rapid City, he sent 3 airmen from the radar site to look for it visually. They reported a light moving from generally north to south at a high rate of speed. At this time the controller observed 2 blips going south on the scope.. He could not get a distinct track because or ground clutter in the area. In a few minutes the GOC post in Blackhawk called in that the light was back in nearly its original position. An airborne F-84 was vectored into the area and after a search made visual contact. The F-84 was vectored into the blip that was remaining stationary at about 15 miles northeast of Blackhawk. The controller said that he believed the F-84 pilot saw the target that was on the scope. Shortly after the visual sighting by the pilot, the target started to move on a heading of about 320 degrees magnetic. Four good blips were obtained; Photos of this track were taken but the camera malfunctioned and the photos were no good. The last blip occurred at 70 miles and at that point the aircraft was returned to the base. The GOC observer reported seeing the aircraft and the object, and both were moving. The object seemed to be out-distancing the F-84. As soon as the F-84 landed, another F-84 took off for CAP. Just about that time, the Blackhawk GOC post called the third time stating that the object was back again. Nothing was on the scope (there was possibly a target in the ground clutter), so the F-84 was vectored in on the visual report. The pilot soon got a visual and started an intercept About that time, the controller picked up both an unknown target and the F-84. Both were on a heading of about 360 degrees magnetic. The blip seemed to stay about 5-10 miles ahead of the F-84. The chase continued until the aircraft was about 80 miles out, then the intercept was broken off. The target continued off the scope. At this time the Bismarck Filter Center was alerted to look for unidentified flying objects. When the pilot got back over the base, he saw another light. This was not picked up on the scope, but the controller did get a return on the height tinder equipment in the general direction of the light, it was 8000 feet. At 0023 MST, Bismark began to call in reports. The pilot who was on the first CAP was interviewed next. He stated that he had been making passes at a B-36 north of Rapid City when GCI called and said they had a target west of Rapid City. He searched for about 20minutes west and south of Rapid City but saw nothing. He re- turned to base and was about to land when he observed a light northwest of the base. He started out on a heading of 350 degrees magnetic, the object was high (30 deg - 45 deg) at 11 o'clock from him. He checked the possibility of a reflection and determined that this was not the cause. He continued his course keeping the object at 11 o'clock for a better view. After about 30 seconds, it disappeared then reappeared for another 30 seconds at the end of which it abruptly faded and was not seen again. The object was silver in color and varied in intensity. It appeared to "pull away" because it got smaller. The comment as to size was that it was "brighter than the brightest star I've ever seen". The pilot who flew the second CAP was interviewed next. He stated that he took off and started to climb when GCI told him that GOC had a light. He was north of Ellsworth AFB on a heading of 360 degrees magnetic when he saw a light 30-40 degrees to his right and level. He thought it was a star or planet but as he looked away it appeared to "jump" 15-30 degrees in elevation. (Note: Due to the speed of the aircraft and the fact that the pilot wan intent on identifying the object, he was not exactly sure of his positions. All positions are subject to some error.) The light seemed to be parallelling his course. The first thing the pilot did was to check for reflections in the cockpit (i.e., canopy, gunsight head, etc.). He was sure the light was no reflection in the aircraft. The light, which the pilot estimated to be considerably brighter than a star, changed intensity and changed in color from white to green. When the object was first sighted, the aircraft was at 15,000 feet. The pilot started to climb and the light appeared to climb faster. This was because the angle of elevation increased. He climbed to 26,000 feet. All this time both the radar blip of both the object and the aircraft were being carried and the pilot was talking to the controller on UHF. As the pilot turned into the light on his initial sighting, he turned on his radar gunsight. As he swung onto the target, the warning light came on. No range was obtained since the sight starts to measure at about 4,000 yards. All this might indicate was that something was beyond 4,000 yards. The light remained on until the chase was broken off. After the chase, on the way home, the light blinked on and off several times indicating a possible malfunction. The sight was not checked by maintenance on return and had not been checked since. The F-84 chased the light for about five minutes, or to about 80 miles north of the base. The light appeared to make slow changes in color and intensity. The pilot stated that the light definitely moved in relation to the stars. After the intercept was broken off, the aircraft returned toward base. About 20 miles out of base he got a visual on a similar light that changed from red to white. He was on a heading of 180 degrees magnetic at 12-14,000 feet and the light was 10 degrees low to the right. He thought it was a car going around curves in the hills but changed his mind when the red and white lights were of equal intensity. This target was in the ground clutter of the radar but something at 8000 feet was picked up on the height finder radar. The light slowly went out then came back in. It seemed to be west moving since the aircraft was kept on a constant heading and the angle or azimuth and elevation increased. The light was first observed for 30 seconds, it faded, reappeared, then faded again after 30 seconds. As the pilot came around the west side of the air base and up the east side, he saw another light and turned into it to take gun camera photos. (The photos were no good). Discussion A visit was made to the Weather Bureau station at the Rapid City Municipal Airport to check weather and balloon launchcn (Note: The air base launches no balloons). The observer on duty looked up the balloon track for the balloon launched at 2000 1ST on 5 August 1953 and it went south from the Municipal Airport. This puts it out of the area of the sighting. Data on inversions was not available as it had been forwarded to Asheville, North Carolina. (Note: The balloon tracks and weather for 2000 MST on 5 August has been requested from Asheville.) No attempt was made to contact the GOC observers at Blackhawk. They had been interrogated by base personnel and were "all excited". It was believed that an investigator talking to them would only further excite them needlessly. All the sightings at Bismarck are doubtful. The AC&W Station called the Bismarck Filter Center and told them to "look for flying saucers", a perfect set up to see every star move around. The upper air research balloon tracks at Lowry were checked. Two balloons were lost and could have been in the area at the time or the sighting. A few comments on the sources can be made: Controller left the impression that he was trying to prove the existence of an unidentified flying object. It is very untfortunate that no scope photos were available to collaborate his story. He saw targets on the scope, there is no doubt about it, but whether they acted exactly as the stated is unknown. The two airmen that went outside to observe the object that was being carried on radar and reported by the GOC were not sure of what they saw, at least this is the impression they left. They were told to go out and look for a light so they saw one. Their description fits that of a meteor. They only saw a "streak" in the sky. They did not see it return north, only go south. The first pilot only got a glimpse of a light, so he could not add much. The second pilot gave the impression of being "on the ball". He obviously was trying to convince himself the light was a star, but was having difficulty. He took a realistic approach and had done some logical reasoning. He was worriedabout the fact that the light moved relative to the stars. By eliminating doubtful sightings, the only thing that can be rea-sonably assured is that a GOC post observed a light. This could be a balloon or star. Radar picked up something in the general area of the GOC post and vectored an aircraft toward it. The pilot saw a light and chased it. He got a radar lock on it, but this could have been a mal-function. The star Capella is possibly visible low on the horizon to the north and the pilot could have seen this. Pending further study,this incident is carried as Unsolved. Conclusion Unsolved. ” Some words from Dr. Hynek on the case were as follows : “ [...] In 1953, the year of the Robertson report, there occurred one of the most puzzling cases that I have studied. It was reported first in Black Hawk, S. Dak., and then in Bismarck, N. Dak., during the night of August 5 and the early morning of August 6. A number of persons in Black Hawk reported seeing several strange objects in the sky. What made these reports particularly significant was the fact that these people were trained observers--they were part of the national network of civilians who were keeping watch for enemy bombers. At approximately the same time, unidentified blips showed up on the radarscope at Ellsworth Air Force Base, which is near Black Hawk. An airborne F-84 fighter was vectored into the area and reported seeing the UFO's. The pilot radioed that one of the objects appeared to be over Piedmont S. Dak., and was moving twice as fast as his jet fighter. It was "brighter than the brightest star" he had ever seen. When the pilot gave chase, the light "just disappeared." Five civilians on the ground, who had watched the jet chase the light, confirmed the pilot's report. Later a second F-84 was sent aloft and directed toward the UFO, which still showed on ground radar. After several minutes, the pilot reported seeing an object with a light of varying intensity that alternated from white to green. While the pilot was pursuing the UFO, he noted that his gunsight light had flashed on, indicating that his plane's radar was picking up a target. The object was directly ahead of his aircraft but at a slightly greater altitude. It then climbed very rapidly. When the pilot saw he was hopelessly losing ground, he broke off the chase. Radar operators on the ground tracked the fighter coming back from the chase, while the UFO continued on out of range of the scope. As the object sped off to the north, Ellsworth Air Force Base notified the spotter's control center in Bismarck, 220 miles to the north, where a sergeant |
